Break Wyll's contract and save Duke Ulder | Mizora reaction - Baldur's Gate 3 

Different option let gale cast globe of invunerabilty jump ravenguard into the globe to trigger the cutscene, wait one turn for spider explosion and run him to sub.

​@@jamesflynn6827 i used sanctuary With shadowheart❤

When is the best time to cast heal?

@@iancody3215 after you open his cell but before his turn. if his turn come before the healer just skip it

@@emanonbackwards thanks

It’s because you’re essentially sacrificing an innocent to breaks the contract, pretty sure that’s how she sees it

I believe despite how badly written this is, That his father will eventually be killed due to the pact and the fact he had already had a pact he is essentially dammed anyway considering if he broke the pact he is committing murder(not by his own hand) through his actions.

I'm pretty sure they fixed it in the latest patch or I had a tooltip bug but nobody reacted to breaking the pact and I had the same team (Shadowheart+Karlach)

@@Tallborn5 no they still disapprove, if you tell wyll to accept everyone is fine and the dialogue after is he did the right thing

@@fistimusmaximus6576 by this point the pact is on a 6 month time limit before he's released. That's why Mizora is trying to rewrite it into an inescapable one.

Haven’t gotten near that point yet, it breaks mind that they would?? I could maybe see a couple of them disapproving, but everyone? That’s pretty fucked up

@@Miles_Phantasmagoria well most (the good ones anyway), Astarion thinks it's fine which tells you it's supposed to be morally wrong (I disagree).

@@AlJohnstone88 that’s so brutal. Sidebar, the fact that you stipulated that astarion agreeing with the decision codes it as the You Fucked Up one is kinda morbidly hilarious to me. Still, poor Wyll. Trying to break free of an internal (in all senses of the word) contract gets him hate among his companions.

They can’t hate it much, everyone was still pretty positive to me so I just looked passed it

Everyone acts like Uldred is super important for the city safety and without him city will fall and many people will die.

True. This is between wyll, his father, and mizora. Why the hell tav have any say in this situation.

Maybe, Mizora is right about Will - little puppy who needs commands

No finite thing can ever compensate for infinity. Even Wylls original pact to save a city doesn’t make any sense in the context of an eternity of downside for him. Infinity makes everything fucked. Same with Shadowheart and Shar. Saving her parents in exchange for eternity tethered to Shar is not worth it

@@TheSporelord01 Any proof that Shadowheart is bound to Shar for infinity?

​@@TheSporelord01 yup, if you let Shadowheart make her own choice in the House of Grief she sacrifices them and that says a lot

@@TheSporelord01 IIRC, Wyll was ~17 when he made the contract.

@@bearfaery737 He was definitely pressured and tricked and in a vulnerable position. That said, he’s high born and educated and lives in Faerun, where deals for souls happen reasonably often. His tutors had an obligation to teach him, basically, “any circumstance that involves infinity is never worth it, never morally permissible. Anyone who tries to tell you that infinite sacrifice is necessary is lying to you. It would literally be better for the universe to snuff out along with every creature than for even one soul to suffer for eternity”

Not gonna lie, he was going to die that way either way. Man is a Paladin. If he didn't die in a blaze of glory fighting the evils of the world, Tyr would probably be disappointed.

​@@aarongoosby5532 Duke Ravengard would be disappointed too, I think!

Yeah, and if I were his dad, I would also want him to not choose to save me. His father is middle aged and he has plenty of enemies and stress. Decent chance he doesn't live that long anyway. He's a mere human too, not an elf or anything. Buying him another decade or two by sacrificing your immortal soul? Uh....

OR... you can just break the contract and STILL find and save him, no sacrifice required.

⁠@@VGJokerbut Mizora implies, that she will still kill the Duke and that this is just a temporary victory

@@JB-xl2jc Hell, if you continue Shadowheart's quest and turned her away from Shar, she's faced with the same "Family vs Freedom" choice, but her parents outright tell her to pick the latter. Why is it treated as the right decision with her but not with Wyll?

@@treehugger0241because shadowheart has to deal with what is essentially chronic pain if her parents live, that’s NOT selling your soul to hell for all eternity. Shadowheart could still go to Selune’s afterlife once she dies.

She also helps you out a lot more freeing the Duke of Wyll gives his soul. She’ll let him dash a lot more so it’s easier to get him out

Maybe, but he is a Blade of Frontiers no more then. Imo being on the frontlines suits him better. Grand Duke has to be smart about what he does. In politics there is no place for grand self sacrificial acts he tends to gravitate to. Besides, if be becomes a blade of Avernus he may convince Karlach to travel to the Hells with him in search of a cure for her engine, instead of Karlach randomly combusting on a pierce in the end.

@@fallhayv8470 Since the latest patch you can choose to persuade Karlach to go to Avernus with Wyll, or your player character if you romanced her can choose to accompany her, or you all three of you can go to Avernus together and fight devils.

@@TF2CrunchyFrog it has always been possible. They just added a cutscene.

If you free Wyll, can you later kill Mizora? (Sorry, I haven't played the game, just been watching videos on youtube xD)

No you can't it's why we want dlc in hell

At the very least, even if she succeeds off-screen, it's already after Wyll and Ulder reconciled and the city is saved. The loss would hurt Wyll, but the closure reduces the long-lasting suffering.

​@@lehaua8922A bittersweet conclusion. Even if Ulder dies by Mizora's hand, at least he doesn't harbor any more ill feelings towards Wyll.

@@EvelynL.1112 It's a better ending than some characters get. *cough* Karlach *cough*

Eh, by the end of the game there are several godlike entities trying to take my friends and I out. Mizora, a mere cambion, trying to take out one of my buddy's dads? Sounds eminently manageable.

@@JSmith99 What grinds my gears is that with Karlach we literally canonically have a Scroll of True Resurrection in the hands of the party (Gale has it from game start, though it's a contingency to avoid nuking the Sword Coast, but by the end of the game that's no longer a concern). True Resurrection isn't like Revivify. It COMPLETELY reconstitutes the body of the individual you're targeting. Like, they could be ASH or utterly decayed and dead for 199 years, and poof they're back in perfect health (with the SOLE exception that they didn't die of old age). It regenerates complete organs and limbs if they're damaged or missing, cures any poison disease or malady, etc. So not only would Karlach come back with her real heart in place, she'd no longer have all the burns and scarring, the heat vents... hell, even her broken horn would regrow! Gale no longer needs this scroll considering the orb has been handled one way or another by this point in the game. So Karlach's ending feels pretty.... forced. Granted True Resurrection is a level 9 spell, but, considering we were literally directly meeting with gods and having them intervene in the situation, it should be child's play to fix Karlach's heart, if not replace it.

Yeah, I used detect thoughts and got that same dialogue. I still feel like this ending is pragmatic; lesser evil, regardless of how the game tries to bash you for it. No one's soul goes to hell for eternity. Old guy who's gonna die soon anyway gets a reconciliation with his son, the opportunity to save his city, and his soul goes to his god. I was really frustrated with the game for trying to tell me this was a "bad" choice. It's clearly the choice that results in the least suffering. (Given the information you have at the time.)

@@Nihilist_Porcupine The old man is also constantly surrounded by guards and is also a really strong fighter. He'll be fine handling a devil who wants to kill him

Yeah, plus Wyll’s service to Mizora will inevitably lead to further harm if indirectly. The only positive in renewing the contract was that he ended up talking Karlach into joining him in Avernus as a demon slaying power couple in my ending.

@@cyborgcatrj6794 so funny enough, broke the contract, saved the duke and Wyll can still become the Blade of Avernus and bring Karlach along to Avernus, just gotta do the quest for finding Ansur and talk to the Duke again afterwards.

@@ahvin4764 She's only a Cambion, too. I mean, BG3 seems to have cambions as waaaaay stronger than they actually are in typical 5e lore, but yeah, Ravenguard in 5e would absolutely wipe the floor with some random cambion in service to Zariel. He wouldn't even need his guards.

Must be how you classed him out. As a pure warlock in my first playthrough, he's proficient with rapiers, glaives, halberds, and pikes.

@@chardt02 also pact weapon supersedes weapon proficiency

all true but those sisters who witnessed the pact, Other devils could enforce it as she is signing them its in zariels name. She is just her agent.

Raphael is only a Cambion (half-devil) too.

@@TF2CrunchyFrog True but he is much more powerful then her since he can even control a greater devil like Yugir

I’m not too familiar with DND lore but aren’t orthons and devils different from each other?

Nah Orthorns are a type of Devil, Devil is the overall race but Orthornn would be the genus as it were.@@notsubnautic4682

It's interesting because I went to see him without any rest and he's lying dead in his cell

I had to wait a round because when I did it before the cinematic it was erased after. Sanctuary also helps.

If you already destroyed the steel watch thats what happens

@@onri_ nope didn’t get there until 1-2 long rest after iron throne (didn’t even explore that part of map).

Same happened to me, Wyll's quest are pretty buggy, or "were" dunno if they fixed it on one of the hotfixes

@@onri_ as of patch 1 this is fixed, because it was a bug.

Did you visit the Iron Throne BEFORE the scene where Wyll has to choose? If you do, regardless of any other worldstate, Ravenguard will be dead. I am not really sure why. I guess because then it would completely invalidate the most important scene in Wyll's act 3 storyline? Mizora showing up and being like "Sign here or your dad's definitely dead" just hits different when his dad is sipping wine in the Elfsong 20 feet away haha

I think they even pached it up, just knocked him out on the same quest today and he just bursts into flames when the combat is over

Because most of the time in this game counting Knock out as dead. Less animation time, lesser dialog options. Even at act 1 when you knock out the masked armies, they counted as dead.

@@horizonblack8351I knocked out the healer of the grove and it was the same, it counted as they where dead sometimes knocking down works, sometimes it doesn’t, the lack of consistency is kinda annoying

And because of this, you don't want to play to be creative sad

@@horizonblack8351but minthara appears

@@Geni-yh1pv It was the old patch dude. Minthara bonked to save her only available after players wish. Other than that in the old way you have to use the shitty bugs to save her and still stay good.

The game is completely not polished in act3.

@@cccbbbaaa110Sadly this is pretty typical for Larian, the early game is INCREDIBLY polished because it was out in EA, but the later game has a lot less polish until later on- DOS2 by the time of the Definitive Edition for instance was extremely polished throughout, but at release Act IV was very much not.

To be fair, it could ment about before I can confirm this was a bug. Wyll says: you failed Mizora, my father Is saved and my changes unbroken. Also, Wyll speks at the ending how his power are all gone

@@bauloprete3905 Yeah, I'm 100 sure it was about before

Yeah, I was playing a durge redeemed and ended up slaughtering the grove, but saving the Duke, but he still asks for us to bring Wyll to talk about how Ansur was killed.

I believe so.

I tried that but the Duke is dead when i got to the prison

You can break the contract and still save the duke. I went to the coronation, told Mizora to f* off and free Wyll, did some other quests, went for the gondians, found the u-boat. Gotta do it in a turn limit, get clear of a blast, then stop Mizoras summoning and escape. Longstrider, speed potions, dimension door, teleport circle etc are your friend.

No. If you go there BEFORE Mizora's cutscene he will be dead in his cell. You need to get the Mizora cutscene and ONLY THEN go to the prison to save him. I'm guessing the reason why is that if you go there and free him and then Mizora shows up, she.... basically doesn't have any reason to be there lol. It kinda messes up the story then, Wyll would've had no real Act 3 plot. So, they instead kill Ravenguard so you can go down his Act 3 plot with the angst of his pops dying instead.

Nope. Teleports away and reappears seconds later. (I tried)

If you encountered Omeluum in Act I, he will be present in the Iron Throne in Act III, telling you that Ulder is there and that you need to save him. Wyll's story doesn't feel half-baked, to me.Not as half-baked as Karlach's, who returns to Hell without a conclusion to her infernal heart problem, or Astarion, whose vampiric powers would likely cause him problems in the future.

Same thing happened to me. I knew something went wrong that's why i searched for this video

The issue is that Mizora had 6 months left on the contract after the release negotiation - he was still bound to her. I'm fairly sure that she actually tricked will into signing a contract of "kill my father for free" if he doesn't "renew" the contract, just to be petty.

Maybe a bug? Did you free her when she was in the absolute?

yeah i freed her back there, and talked to her when we just crossed the bridge in a fort, i've never seen her since then @@hanasakura702

@@hanasakura702 ppl just rush main quests and then they wonder why no npc interacts with them 😬 when they skip/kill half of them

Too many long rests or you triggered the alarm at the factory

Hes dead if you do it that way

You have to have the scene with Mizora in your camp with the witnesses or she goes to the prison ahead of you and kills the duke herself. She will hint to that after the fact. But you can choose not to renew the pact and then rescue the duke in the prison after.

There is a way for Karlach to live without Wyll, considering you romance her

I didn't romance Karlach, had Wyll break his contract, and saved the dad, and Wyll went with Karlach into Avernus.

I mainly make scenes and outcomes videos, very rarely guides. Also I am not very good at this game xD

for my part i used Shadowheart +speed potion , first scrollspell is Dimentional Door , where i pick up the duc and shadowheart for away of his cell, Mizora appear and spawn spider but it's still my turn (speed potion) my second scrollspell is "Globe of invulnerability" (Create a barrier that makes creatures and objects inside it Immune to all damage.),(also i moved shadowhear tto close the doors where are the fishmonsters behind me) , when you move the duc when it is his turn (inside the globe) the spider trigger their opportunity attack and explose (even if they are inside the globe too) and i can tell the duc to rush the ladder.

I personally got the boots of dimension door first from the bhaal assassin dolor then send however is wearing them to save wyll’s dad and the other guy send 2 to save the gondians and 1 to free the 2 and omeluum if he still alive drink a speed potion on every character after both wyll’s dad and the other guy escape close that door trapping mizora’s spiders and the sahagin then free the prisoners near the sub then start fighting off the spawning sahagin with the dimension door character free omeluum from his binding use his special power to teleport him and your party member back for the 2 of the gondian side rush to free them asap with one of them and have the other kill/cc them you will get staggered for a turn but 3 turns of double movement and actions is worth it and you can get everyone out even on tactician i did it like that at level 10

Except the ceremorphosis isn't complete yet--he's still not a mindflayer. So, killing him before he's changed will net them his soul.

killing him before is actually a mercy.@@caitiff52

Except, because of the new contract, killing him before would send his soul to Hell. Not much of a mercy.@@fistimusmaximus6576

Well, not entirely true. The Duke would have to be murdered by Zariels devils (and Devils have a limited ability to operate on the mortal plain) or indirectly by his enemies. The Duke himself can't just be killed by someone else's pact.

they surely have mortal agents.@@AlJohnstone88

U gotta find her before the coronation

Oops. Oh well, rip duke. Thanks. @@DoffyDogg

Half-illithid template. Goes away after the elder brain is defeated and all the tadpoles die.

Dimension door xD

for my part i used Shadowheart +speed potion , first scrollspell is Dimentional Door , where i pick up the duc and shadowheart for away of his cell, Mizora appear and spawn spider but it's still my turn (speed potion) my second scrollspell is "Globe of invulnerability" (Create a barrier that makes creatures and objects inside it Immune to all damage.),(also i moved shadowhear tto close the doors where are the fishmonsters behind me) , when you move the duc when it is his turn (inside the globe) the spider trigger their opportunity attack and explose (even if they are inside the globe too) and i can tell the duc to rush the ladder. the rest of my team (with speed potion too) helped others guys in others room , made saved all prisonniers (in tactician you have only 5 turn)

You can also heal the Duke enough to survive them.

The Fear spell works against those spiders

Remove curse + heal him before the spiders come then dimension door him. That's how I do it.

yeah, not enough "evil" characters perhaps dlc she joins you.

@@fistimusmaximus6576 Why not a good character? Maybe they both just hit it off? Maybe that special potion from Araj Oblodra changed your blond chemistry in a way that Mizora is attracted immensely to the character's new pheromones. Plus she truly admires the character for their strength, leadership and overall successes. Maybe the character finds Mizora a strong, sexy, beautiful woman. Maybe the get together both thinking they can change the other. Just think of the inner party complications and additional minor quests that Mizora could provide.

Bonespike Garb, I think you can get it from Rivington Smithy merchant at Chapter 3.

@@Northalix nice, I'll just spawn it

@@BLACKWITHAGUNdon’t make the game too easy. Spoils the joy.

@Norinia nah I'm good. I'm mainly in it for the story anyways. Almost done with all achievements and been using SOOO many mods. It's great.

@@BLACKWITHAGUN you can still get achievements with mods? Didn’t work that way for me.

Or 3 of the best ones, depending on personal taste. Both Astarion and Mizora are very well written. Halsin is more sparsely written but extremely useful.