Bao-Dur Confronts Kreia 

LMAO

"[…] mass shadows!" Bao-Dur: **gets an fucking aneurysm**

Kreia: Flashback time!

Pretty much this. But so much so that he passes out.

Yeah that wasn't very cash money of him.

Indeed. Chris Avellone the writer and Sara Kestelman the actress. With their powers combined, we get this masterpiece.

@@PapitoQinn I've watched a clip of Sara Kestelman acting and I believe if she played Kreia in a live action Star Wars movie she would deliver the same emotions that we fell here. I'd personally love to see it.

@@PapitoQinn Wisest character in all of Star Wars in my book. Kudos to both writer and voice actress.

Was she really at Malachor though? And why doesn’t Kreia view the Exile in contempt for what they’ve done either? Bias perhaps.

@@Echani3007 Yup, when she confronts the Masters, Veook said something along the lines of "I thought you had died at Malachor." To which she responded in her characteristic Nietzschean way: "Die? No. Became stronger? Yes!"

@@liaml.e.5964 Right, but I still don’t understand why Kreia would see Bao Dur in such a way because of Malachor V though. It’s not very consistent with how she communicates to the exile and other characters about Malachor. I know Kreia is already fond of the Exile. But their coping mechanism for Malachor doesn’t beget any war crimes and mass murder they did unless you’re a die hard exile Stan like Visas. That’s why I don’t really buy this explanation as to why Kreia calls him ‘alien’. Besides she doesn’t explicitly speak about the horrors of Malachor with disgust and regret. Like you showed me via the quote, she does more of the opposite. She even builds a temple there. She’s clearly very fond of Malachor and it’s force wounding. So this begs the question, why does she call Bao Dur that?

@@Echani3007 1: Kreia likely sees what took place at Malachor as the ultimate proof that her belief that force-sensitivity is a net negative for the galaxy is correct, which is why she hates it. Because of what took place at Malachor, a wound in the force so extreme that it warps life on a galactic scale was created. 2: She likely resents Bao-dur for what happened at Malachor but not the Exile because she feels the Exile has suffered more than enough for the horrors she unleashed on that planet. Because she cut herself off from the force so completely and utterly, she was nothing more than a shell of a woman being kept alive by sheer desire for self-preservation. She might even have believed she'd be better off if she allowed herself to die like so many others did in that place. 3: I wouldn't look too deeply into Kreia referring to Bao-dur as "alien". She calls everyone in the party except the Exile some demeaning nickname.

I think she also mostly hates Bao-dur because she has trouble reading his thoughts and therefore cannot predict him.

I always took it as her replicating the strong gravity she is speaking about to punish him physically.

Instantly thought of the same thing. Perfectly said.

Did it even confirm he died?

The game doesn't confirm it, but in the restored content mod there is this dialogue exchange during the opening of the Sith siege on citadel station: Grenn: "I thought I saw you disembark with Bao-Dur, is he here?" Atton: "Now that you mention it, where did he run off to? HK-47, also." IIRC if you do all the setup for the HK factory quest and trigger the scene with HK-47 interrogating an HK-50 and discovering that the factory is on Telos, then either right before or right after the Exile's battle with Atris, it switches to HK-47 at the entrance to the HK factory, but Bao-Dur is nowhere to be seen. Chris Avellone apparently said in an interview that Bao-Dur was originally meant to die helping HK-47 reach the factory on Telos. It's disappointing that the game never confirms his fate either way, but there are a lot of hints, especially in the final section of the game on Malachor V when the remote plays back Bao-Dur's recordings, which very much implies that Bao-Dur is dead, since he is not there to start up the Mass Shadow generator again himself, and Remote would have no reason to leave Bao-Dur otherwise.

@@GeriatricFan1963 Interesting theories.

@@GeriatricFan1963 Thanks!

Yeah, it is just a theory though; Kreia says at the end of the game when asked by the Exile that Bao-Dur and the droids' paths are unknown to her; so that kind of contradicts her knowing Bao-Dur's fate in this scene. More likely "Serve them until it's your time to die" is simply a sign of how little she respects him; to Kreia he is just the alien engineer who built a machine that caused death on an unimaginable scale; after his quest with the Exile is concluded, he has no further utility as far as Kreia is concerned. The game I believe is definitely foreshadowing Bao-Dur's fate, whether Kreia herself is doing it through her dialogue is up to debate; seems unlikely that she would lie to the Exile though, especially as Kreia was dying and there was no more reason to conceal the truth at that point. If Kreia knew Bao-Dur died on Telos, why not tell the Exile the truth?

I've been wondering about this. Because although some of things she says do seem racist, the only person she shows any modicum of respect to is the Exile.

+Papito Quinn Kreia also respects Mira. Whenever she talks about MIra, it's like she respects her skill and ability.

+MrChaosAdam Does she? Maybe you're right and I'm just drawing a blank right now. But I was basing it on how she never refers to them by their name. Atton = The fool. Bao-Dur = The Alien. Visas = The Blinded one. and so on. The only moment I can remember now was when she refered to Mira when Kreia spoke to Hanarr. She called her the red maned huntress.

Given how much of a dick Krell was to Clones....

@@sambridgers9543 she reffers to Atton by name when she invades His mind

Same! Very underrated character in my opinion

Nah, you're right on the mark. Kreia does hate non-humans. Comes with her mindset. She's got good points on the Force, and the whole argument against Jedi Vs. Sith, but at the end of the day, she's a hypocrite through and through. This is just the example.

When she says "nothing human to be sure" she's not mocking his species. She's calling him a monster and reminding him of his actions. She's pulling the "you don't get to berate me for my actions because you killed millions" card.

It's not so much she hates aliens but that she hates bao dur in particular. She just uses those words to get to him.

​​@@gabethebabe3337I think Kreia can't read Bao-dur's thoughts, because he thinks like not like a "human"(or any other intelligent specie), but like a machine. That's why she says "Nothing human to be sure"

She calls him not human because that's what Bao-Dur himself feels like because of his guilt over Malachor. Dude's practically dead inside and is almost like a machine in his mindset as a result (and Kreia really DOES hate droids and machines)

Go back to Twitter you fool.

@@Myth_or_Mystery76 it’s true tho, as if humans aren’t capable of creating horrors like the mass shadow generator (Galen Erso and the Death Star ??) lol,

@@blackskyirregular9876 “aS aN eXpErT oN thE sUbjEcT” lmfaooo wth does that even mean😂she literally asked what manner of creature and then said nothing human🗿

Back to twitter mate, you clearly don't know shit about Kreia if you think that "sHe'S rAcIsT" (speciest in this case actually)

Dont think she literally meant a human. Only twisted people make such weapons of mass destruction.

Kreia almost never calls anyone by their name, just referring to them by dismissive descriptions or monikers instead, since she views all of them very poorly besides the Exile. Bao-Dur is "Iridonian" just like Atton is "Fool", and Brianna/Handmaiden is "Servant of Atris". Also, the "nothing human to be sure" seems less about Bao-Dur being Zabrak and more about the fact that he's basically dead inside from the guilt of Malachor and almost has the mindset of a machine as a result. They're pointed words targeting his guilt and insecurity, and she zeroes in on and tries to exploit those in all of her party member interactions.

@@BroadwayRonMexico She referred to Bao and the Ithorians as “it” btw