"What if I run into it and it's an actual tunnel" Considering flash can phase through solid objects and batman can't, his statement is actually very possible
My headcanon for this video is that Batman wanted to defuse the situation of him having contingency plans and not being trusted by the others by coming up with bad fake contingency plans on the spot. And it worked.
That checks out. He started with Superman and gave the obvious kryptonite answer with something massively destructive (a nuke). Aquaman is strong in some comic universes, but the Superfriends version is a joke and he could use many different methods. With the Flash, he didn't have a single obvious option and also did not have a ridiculous plethora of options. Thus, he switched to something nonsensical to avoid having to say his real plan. Honestly, most of his teammates would have had the same type of result due to them being the same inbetween of not having a single obvious answer while not being so lame that nearly any answer would work.
@@calebowens693Also as a side note trying to cover may have been solely for flash, as you cam't really deal with a speedster if they know whats coming, hence why most flash villians involve making traps
His plan in the comics was using post-hypnotic suggestion to cause Green Lantern, the one on the league at the time being Kyle Rayner, to blind himself with his own ring.
I never understood why some of Batman's contingency plans counted on the other heroes' emotional attachments. How will that be any of help if they turn evil or are mind controlled?
IIRC, in a situation where a hero is mind controlled the thought is that if he puts someone really close to the hero in a life or death situation, the hero will overpower and break or resist the mind control in order to save the person. Now why he has to kill them once the mind control is broken, I'm not sure, but I'd guess it would be to prevent the mind control from coming back online or to just completely neutralize the threat.
@@theunknownblock5942 I can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but from the ones I remember, they all simply act to subdue the target rather than kill, including Batman himself if he was to ever turn evil. For Wonder Woman's contingency plan, she would be forced to fight a simulation opponent of equal ground because she literally cannot refuse a fight if the opponent is strong enough. Since the opponent is a simulation, they cannot be beaten, forcing her to fight forever. Several other plans also involve Scarecrow's fear toxin, and I believe Flash's plan revolves around being injected with nanites.
I thought they were going to make the joke about how batman didn't have a plan for wonderwoman in the comics and when superman asked why, he turned to superman and said "you're my plan."
@Mickey Mouse Okay, but he'd still need to be able to tell that the tunnel is fake. If Batman actually went through with that, he more than likely would have studied up on artistic realism, if he didn't already know it, in order to make a convincing optical illusion. Would Flash have anyway to tell that the tunnel is fake BEFORE colliding with the mountain side?
"For you Green Lantern, i prepared a banana peel near you." "Dude are you serious? I'd be able to see that!" *"Exactly."* edit: 3.7k likes? nah I ain't famous bro like compare that to 8 billion people
Worst part is, considering all Will-E-Coyottee plans failed, it's highly likely that Batman only watched the episodes until the plan started, got up, to note it and never even finished any episode
he said the simulations warned him of the painted tunnel becoming real only for flash, so this means he saw at least one sketch the whole way through and still thought it was a good idea.
I mean, he knew about the tunnel gag. I think he knows the traps all fail, but thinks it's just cartoon logic and that they would work in real life, omitting the fact that these plans are conceived by the very same cartoon logic...
Batman truly is a genius, he knows that because of his speed Flash would be able to counter his plan thus it must remain a secret so he made up stupid shit on the fly to make them think that there is no plan against Flash.
@@tommysupernova663 I mean one of Flash's main villains is a guy with a freeze gun. And Batman has like 30 of those in the Batcave from all the fights he had with Mr. Freeze.
@@DawidKov I could never understand that freeze thing. Yeah sure, your weapon can freeze people...cool...you still have to actually hit the guy. Flash has such a reaction time that before you pull the trigger you will be locked up in jail, naked with "I was just cought by flash" written on your ass.
@@JM-mh1pp absolute zero slows him down and ice on the ground trips him. Captain cold can beat flash with his fists and catches bullets because absolute zero slows them down.
Theory: None of these plans were the real plans. He was just making them up on the spot. If one of them turned evil or was mind-controlled, it would be devastating for them to know Batman's _actual_ plan.
I like how even after getting a voice actress for others skits, the joke is still that this version of Wonder Woman doesn't have a voice. Only the evil version does.
@@Quatro921 Ah, the average RU-vid commenter who can't scroll past somebody telling a content creator and like minded people that they like a joke and why they do so.
Superman: “Well how was I supposed to know that, HE NEVER TALKS!” Green Lantern: “Just look the spelling, how many Willies do you know that spell their name W Y L I E?” Superman: Easy. Barry’s sidekick, Kid Flash! Flash: Clark, his name is Wally. Superman: Pffffft. No it’s not. Flash: yes it is I’m his uncle I should know. Superman: you’re messing with me Flash: You’ve met him dozens of times. You were at his graduation. Superman:…..I……………….ummmm…………………………………………………………So Batman you REALLY thought you could take down the flash with just an anvil?
To be fair, Flash, for someone who supposed to have godlike reaction time on pair with his speed, is getting surprised by traps too often 😅 This anvil plan could work out!
I have a theory about the traps Barry falls into. To interact with normal-speed people, he has to shut off his super-speed processing, so the trick is just to keep him at normal speed; even an engaging conversation will keep him in normal speed mode. Maybe he'll notice a threat in time to turn on the super-speed, but then again, maybe he won't.
@@kingbeauregard That is actually not how it works, Barry just experiences everything in slow time and talks slowly so he can be understood, his super-speed is never shut off.
The funniest part to me is that Batman’s actual contingency plan for dealing with the Flash is basically “make the floor have no traction so he just goes sliding off super fast”, which isn’t that far off from an actual Looney Tunes plan.
That's cause Superman brought in Batman to do this, it's very obvious even in the JLA anime series Superman seems the most relax about it because it's his idea of a back up "just in case", is to use Batman to do it. Hahaha!
The worst part is that if Barry was actually mind controlled, he wouldn't care about the well being of his wife. Paradoxically, setting up a bunch of food as bait( like it's a road runner trap) would make more sense since Flash's metabolism would force him to look for food all the time.
In the comics, one of Batman’s plans was to inject a device into Flash’s nervous system that would give him moderate seizures over and over again. Not enough to eventually kill him, but to keep him incapacitated for however long Batman needed him down.
Funnily enough in the Liberty Files (a DC elseworld where Batman and Superman are super spies in WW2 and the Cold War) the contingency plan is just nuking Superman. That or injecting someone with nuclear super serum to fight Superman and hopefully stop him before the patient's heart explodes.
I always felt the idea of, "We'll shoot Superman with a kryptonite bullet to stop him." And one of his things he is known for is being faster than a speeding bullet. Like, you fire the gun and then he just uses his superspeed to move out of the way and you miss. That isn't really a great plan to have.
@@StevenTLawson Well, realistically, there's no way to stop someone who can canonically move galaxies. This is why every DC hero needs to be nerfed dramatically in the next reboot.
@@StevenTLawson Yeah but the thing is Superman for a VERY long time used 'Let the bullets bounce off' as an intimidation tactic. As long as you don't make it super obvious its a special gun or bullet he'd absolutely just stand there and let you hit him.
Here's the thing, Flash could most definitely just phase through that tunnel and go through it like Roadrunner. The fact it's entirely possible makes this funnier
He even demonstrated he could do this in an episode of Challenge of the Super Friends, in the timeline where the Legion of Doom traveled back in time and prevented Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman from becoming superheroes leaving Flash and Green Lantern as the team's heavy hitters.
@@JayJayM57 If he’s lying, I would reckon it’s because he doesn’t “actually” have a plan for Flash, but doesn’t want to be seen as “playing favorites” by leaving him out of the bit.
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@@kikosawa no no no. I meant that rofl stands for rolling on the FLOOR, but I was watching the video on my bed, so i rolled on my bed. No donations needed haha
His plan for Superman and Aquaman depends on catching them off guard (bullet, poison fear gas). The fact that he tells them those plans doesn't nullify his ability to execute said plans. However, if he reveals what the Flash contingency plan is, he will never be able to catch Barry off guard because he's too fast. So instead, he "reveals" multiple Wile-E-Coyote plans and the Justice League suddenly thinks Bats is bonkers. Throw in the "hey this is all I have" and they start to feel sorry for him and the whole subject gets dropped. 4D chess. This is literally the most Batman thing ever.
@@goatplaysguitar I think Clark has those reaction times only when he's concentrating and actively using super speed, which is why he can get blindsided with a kryptonite bullet.
When you said "lying limp and defenseless" I was fully expecting the "tying to the railroad" cliche and you swerved so hard with the tunnel, lmao. Love these, man. You're only getting better
I too saw him tying him to the railroad tracks in my mind's eye. "And then I twirled my twirly mustache..." You don't have a mustache Batman. "I would grow one."
For anyone curious, the other contingency plans involve Aquaman: spraying him with a hydrophobic foam Flash: shooting him with a hypersonic bullet that will make him have lightspeed seziures. Wonder Woman: Using her ambition against her by putting her in a simulation where she's constantly fighting Martian Manhunter: Just... Just set him on fire Cyborg: Probably hacking? Green Lantern: Blinding, Fear Toxin Red Tornado: Electromagnetic Pulse Zatanna: stop her from speaking Firestorm: Phantom Zone Doctor Fate: Helm Removal, Suffocation, gas attacks Shazam: Refer back to Zatanna Green Arrow: Go for the arms Plastic Man: Cold Temperatures Booster Gold: Refer back to Red Tornado
To be fair they were all originally designed to be non-lethal. Even the Kryptonite for the contingency plan was synthetic. In the comic (Tower of Babel), Ra’s al Ghul altered them to kill. In the animated movie (JL Doom), Vandal Savage did the same.
Its worth mentioning that Batman has primarily non-lethal versions of these countermeasures that come into play LONG before anything resembling “Kryptonite Bullets” get broken out.
Batman's rapid delivery of the Tunnel Plan tells me he knew it would be received poorly. I deduced that because I know everything about Batman: His dreams, his aspirations, his hopes, and his _fears._ The fear of losing more loved ones, or indeed all of Gotham, like he did his parents: Watching them lie limp, knowing he could have prevented it―how he would do _anything_ to prevent it! Even at the cost of his own life... _I would assemble a catapult and hurl a large boulder at him as he went by_
Come on you can do better than that, I myself have studied the Batman: his dream, his aspirations, his hopes, his fears. The fear of losing his loved ones of losing Alfred like he did his parents. Watching them lie limp knowing he could’ve prevented it. Even at the cost of his own life. I would buy and acme weather controller and make is snow causing him to slip and fall unconscious.
Only if you can somehow tailor the gas to give them very specific hallucinations. Otherwise, imagine a Superman losing his mind and attacking everything that moves. You'd have made a bad situation infinitely worse.
It would be either the best or worst against Green Lantern, since the Yellow Lanterns powered by fear are his nemeses. He'd either know exactly how to handle it or it would de-power him entirely.
To play Batman's Advocate for a moment, his plan would work. If you know where the flash will be you can drop an Anvil on him. Weapons make sounds he can dodge, but the Anvil would kill him. The tunnel, however, wouldn't work because he had the ability to consciously choose to run through solid matter. If he sees the painted tunnel and recognizes it for what it is he would just phase through like it was real. Given this I argue his simulations were just coincidentally similar to Looney Toons because of the similarity in dealing with a speedster. And yes the Road Runner is a speedster. In real life Coyotes run faster than roadrunners, but this one is a speedster which may him faster. That's why Willey uses a rocket to keep up.
Honestly, the plan was to distract the league from mentioning his plan for Green Lantern. Mostly because the answer was 'wear a yellow batsuit', and he didn't want to hurt Hal's feelings.
Batman would put out snacks and a sign saying "flash seed" then when he stopped to eat, he would release a boulder from a cliff just above... diabolical
in the comics/movie the logic behind Barry's and Hal's contingencies always seemed stupid to me, because in both he used either people they cared about or threatened civilians... but the point of the contingency plans are IN CASE THEY TURN EVIL OR GOT MIND CONTROLLED.... why would they even stop to save somebody else?!
@@anxiousearth680 I think all the others were like "nuke him," or, "use this special sound wave to nuetralize their screams," and then for himself it was, "use innocent people as traps," like he has no other weaknesses. Goddamn man, maybe give them your account information or some shit that would be a hit.
"You watch Looney Toons" Batman: "Yeaa, only because Robin Wants to" Nightwing: "Bruce, I'm 21 now, I'm too old for cartoons" Batman: "You'll sit down with your Old Man and watch cartoons, and you'll like it!"
Batman: "Yea but only because Robin wants to" Damien: "I have no interest in these inane cartoons" **Damien later watches it in secret** Alfred: "I thought you said you had no interest in "these inane cartoons" master Damien?" Damien: "I don't, I'm just researching how to defeat the Flash" (he lies) Alfred: "Like father, like son I suppose."
This was actually nearly the entire plot of Justice League: Doom. Vandal savage finds Batmans cashe of contingency plans against the league and attempts to use them to murder or encompasitate most of the league. After getting out of it the League kicks Batman out and has a falling out with them that lasts over a year. One of the main reasons was not just that he had plans to kill them but that he was going to do it in the most terrifying and torturous way possible. Pretty much implying that the main reason for doing it that way was to keep up his reputation of fear. And while none of the league directly confront him on this their attitude was pretty much "Jesus, Bruce you were gonna kill us in the worst way possible just to make your own rogues gallery and every other thug in Gotham piss themselves??"
@@sevenclovers7 exactly. Aquaman has powers *and* an entire kingdom/army that has his back if necessary. Taking him down wouldn't be as simple as just beating one guy, cause Atlantis would want to avenge their king. A rogue Superman may be the biggest threat as an individual, but a rogue Aquaman is a bigger threat to world harmony and peace between nations because it could mean full on World War like in Flashpoint
Kinda shows how unnecessary Batman ultimately is to the JL don't it? Sure he pays for everything but Aquaman and Green Arrow are also filthy rich and could fund the Justice League if they wanted. Plus considering Wonder Woman is a literal princess she's probably loaded too.
@@jahnybravo2168 Atlantis has very divided loyalty and has risen against him in the past. If he gets offed by Batman they'd probably think he deserved it and find a new king
Knowing Batman, he's probably telling Flash the wrong plan deliberately in order to make the other ones seem invalid, just so he can actually use them without his team counterplanning in the future.
his REAL hidden plan is making a fake road on a cliff, and when flash goes speeding down the street he won’t even realize he’s not even standing on the ground until he looks at his feet and then falls straight down.
The real plan is a large plate of tacos surrounded by slippery ground and tripping hazards Barry's metabolism requires him to eat a ton of calories on the regular to survive, so he'll go for the food out of biological necessity rather than mere emotional that mind control may reduce the effectiveness of, ensuring that he'll take the bait and risk falling over on the way to the tacos But that's a REAL last resort, because if Barry doesn't fall for it soon enough, Batman has to deal with an OSHA violation
Fun fact: In the JLA/Looney Tunes crossover comics, Roadrunner could access the speed force and became impossible for even Lobo to harm it with more conventional traps and weapons. I think this indicates Batman programmed his simulations under the assumption Barry is less intelligent than a bird
Speed Buggy could also access the speed force and there's a Reverse Speed Buggy and Speed Demon Buggy (a reference to a pre-Flashpoint villain Wally faced). ...Wait is there a Reverse Road Runner?
Batman: "Alright guys, since you all made fun of me last time, I sat down and, well, I dont wanna pat myself on the back, but I think I actually came up with a pretty decent plan." Superman: "You- you're seriously still hung up on this?" Batman: "Wha- What? Nooo. I just thought it cant hurt to have an actual plan in case you do end up turning evil and all, gotta prepare, thats all." Flash: "Right." Batman: "Why are you looking at me like that? I'm serious. I'm over it. I mean have you ever seen me getting hung up on something because of my ego?" Everyone: "..." Batman: "Don't answer that." Batman: "Anyways, this one will work for sure. Flash is fast, so fast everything around him becomes a blur when he runs. So, what if I tricked him into running to a certain location using a certain path and put an obstacle in the way that he'll never see coming?" Green Lantern: "Ohh, so like an invisible wall especially constructed by Wayne Enterprises? Clever." Batman: "N-No thats not quite what I had in mind." Superman: "What about some sort of impenetrable, highly advanced forcefield that could stop anything in its tracks?" Batman. "No, uh, nothing that large." Aquaman: "So some sort of compact, high-tech trap?" Batman: "I was thinking something more organic." Superman: "Y-You're not actually thinking of putting a banana peel on the road, are you?" Batman: "..." *Chaos Ensues*
That was actually originally how he treated Green Arrow, but then Green Arrow found out that there wasn't one for him and legit got offended that Batman didn't see him as a threat necessary for one, so Batman made one that's literally just "Break his arms"
Depending on which iteration of Green Lantern we're dealing with, his weakness is either wood or the color yellow. Either version can be dealt with using a No. 2 pencil.
technically all versions (at least comic version) are the same guy as green lantern are can survive recons events and remember them, rebirth hal still has the same ring he own from the silver age
the weakness to yellow can be overcome with sufficient speed and direction to cause a chromatic shift Hal took out a yellow missile that way back in the early silver age
in the show he says that they are fools to not have contingency plans for the justice league because they are among the most powerful people in the world and it most definitely makes sense
Yet he applies his most sadistic of plans to people who consider him a friend and treats the Joker with kid gloves. It doesn't really make sense, plus the plans tend to rely on the Justice League still being good. What would a kryptonite bullet do if evil Superman decides "Hey, why don't I just hang out in orbit and zap a few million people." Ultraman does that crap all the time to let Owlman and Superwoman know he knows about them plotting.
@@AgentofLADON Because Joker is not even a smidge compared to Flash, Superman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter. Bats made it very clear, these are contingencies for the most powerful people on Earth, not just his friends.
Yeah, usually a villain would have to mind control every single member individually. Now they only need to get the guy in charge of executing those contingency measures. Nothing in superhero shows holds up to scrutiny, so don't bother.
@@AgentofLADON thats why he uses iris or lois, the plans seem sadistic cause they are phsycological and even though there his friends theys are the strongest people on the planet the flash himself could kill almost everyone on earth
@@rewrose2838 hmmm kinda dumb. In one hand you have people that the probability of becoming evil is like 0.0000000001% and in the other one of The most gruesome and greatests killers of all time. Yeah let's plan those friend murder plans
It is super silly, his plan for stopping himself is taking advantage of his sense of justice. Like what? If he still had a sense of justice he would not be threat.
This video is a testament of Solid jj's writing ability. Anyone can talk about Batman's contingency plans but he completely flipped the script in the most unpredictable way possible. New favorite of mine now.
It’s kind of weird that Batman didn’t use the one Wiley Coyote strategy that might actually be workable: planting land mines and then luring the Flash into them.
I’m 100% convinced that the roadrunner thing was just to red herring them into thinking he doesn’t have a plan for flash, because he only has one and knowing about it makes it not work
Yeah, probably either getting him to handle something coated with a poison which is absorbed through the skin in his secret identity (when he wouldn't be wearing gloves) or getting him to spend enough time in a room where he breathes an odorless, colorless sedative in the air. Either method would require some form of restraints which a speedster couldn't phase out of to be applied soon due to how quickly he would metabolize whatever drug or poison was used. And yeah, either method would be way harder to use successfully if Flash knew to be on the lookout for it.
@@calebowens693 Wrong. Batman's contingency plan for the Flash involved using a specially designed vibrating bullet, which he fired at the Flash. This bullet was programmed to disrupt the speedster's connection to the Speed Force, rendering him powerless. Batman's reasoning for creating these contingency plans was to have a way to neutralize any of his super-powered allies should they ever go rogue or become compromised in some way.
I just love the fact everyone (including Wonder Woman who was raised on a secluded island) either watched or remembers Looney Toons really well while a billionaire philanthropist with a young ward has no idea.
Atleast Flash would feel something before realizing "Oh its a wall I'll just phase through". He probably would only feel a milisecond of impact then phase through it.
With the speed he's going though, wouldn't any impact be fatal? He rubs his finger against it and his entire arm could be ripped in pieces, breaking all his bones and losing too much blood.
Looney Toons was just the secret files and recording of batmans simulations, but he reskinned the animations into a coyote and a bird to throw off suspicion.
The Tunnel idea is suprisingly decent. If Flash ran into a solid object at full speed at the very least he'd break enough bones to shock him for a while.
@@pyronaught6823 The point is to convince Flash that the tunnel was real, thereby negating the need for him to vibrate through or apply additional speed to break through. Though admittedly I'm not savvy on the lore, so I'm not sure if running into a cliff face would kill Flash or not.
@@kecukraftwork1988 He'd technically be fine, it would suck, but to him because speedforce blah blah, it's like if a normal human ran at their full speed into a brick wall. Absolutely devastating but probably wouldn't kill you. Plus he heals at super speed as well, so he'd recover from it pretty soon
@@kecukraftwork1988 it wouldn't flash has super speed thoughts. Meaning he can think as fast as he runs so the world is constantly in slow motion to him and he puts in effort to slow himself down so that he can be at the same time as everybody has (the man has godlike patience). The point is even if he fell for the tunnel the moment he got close to it he would notice it was paint or at least his hand would be the one to touch it first and he would just stop or climb over it not to mention phasing by vibrating.
what's even more funnier is that batman's original plan was to stick a bomb to the Flash that would explode the moment he stopped running as it had a vibration trigger of sorts..... and then flash uses the same technique to phase the bomb off of him while running thru an ice berg which contained the explosion.
@@m-w-y7325 Actually, that was just Justice League: Doom. In the original JLA: Tower of Babel storyline from the comics, the plan was to shoot him in the back of the neck with a special bullet that would give him light-speed seizure.
"Batman, you can just admit you ran out of ideas" I love how Flash tries to give him an out and probably won't even hold it against him. Also, Batman's canonical contingency for Green Arrow is simply "break both his arms" but he couldn't come up with "break his legs" for Flash?
Speed healing. A few minutes is all Batman would have while the rest of Barry's body is still fast. An actual contingency plan for Barry is just captain Cold. He doesnt have a proper floor to run on and the cold slows him down. Another could be scare crow's fear toxin. Anaesthetics would likely not work due to Barry's high metabolism, but fear induced by scarecrow, if it lasts long enough, it can trick Barry into exhausting himself where he'll need food. (Maybe make him afraid of food, hes fucked then). How will Barry get the toxin? As a speedster he breathes much faster than anyone so he is bound to inhale the gas if you put it anywhere in his path. Just make sure it looks like Mist at most and not fairly obvious.
Considering flash can move at the speed of light, batman creating a rocket which goes that fast and also finding a way he would survive being tied to it is actually very impressive
Funny how Flash running into a wall is actually not far off from Batman’s actual contingency plan. Basically his plan was to inject him with nanites near the base of his neck or spine that will make him disoriented or cause seizures if he runs at super speed causing him to crash into the nearest wall or hard surface at the speed of sound knocking him unconscious
@@rjfrost7090 didn't Batman do something like that to cyborg by injecting him with a virus the day he met him and just activated it once he turns evil.
What funny is that robot chicken did a similar bit but just with Batman and robin. One of the simulations was flash actually running into the the painted cliff and being knocked unconscious while Batman and will e coyote comes out behind rocks and laughing
@@thewooperbois7154 well if the mind control doesn't completely overwhelme him , there is still the flash deep enough and he would do anything to save Iris or Joe but if it is a complete mind control,were the user fully controls the flash then indead it wouldn't work
