Batman Arkham Knight vs Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - How Smart Are Enemies? Enemy AI Comparison 

If someone told me this game came out this year, i wouldn't doubt it

Of course I would believe arkham Knight was made in 2015 if someone told me and I didn't know because 2014-2016 games where peak gaming design

If you remove the rain it would look ass rain saves a lot of game

@@ahem7 no

@@loliconenjoyer9770 yes

Facts

seriously?

@@SubconsciousDeviant problem?

@@justsaiyan3642 because the AI in the game centered around the guy who uses fear to his advantage and mostly uses stealth has better stealth AI then the guy who most people are probably going to go guns blazing in means one game is the best superhero game? Yes

@@SubconsciousDeviant I'm genuinely trying to understand your comment but it feels like I'm gonna have a stroke trying to comprehend but from what I'm getting is Yes the AI makes or breaks a hero game. Spiderman does have stealth sections but even if you take aside the fear premise, Arkham does it FAR better in terms of AI learning your patterns, changing attacks and can track you if your stand idol for too long. Spiderman AI is just a punching bag that walks. You can web up a guy right next to his partner and bash his head in yet still be hidden. At no point does the AI feel like they're adapting to you, they just get better toys.

We keep meeting all over the internet, I can see why we’re both connected to channel 6

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@@DgardsGamingthat is different

Its the way arkham games are designed for the stealth sections but with the insomniac spider man games those games aren't designed around that kind of idea plus what the hell kind of "adaptation" could the insomniac spider man games enemies do? spider man could literally bend them into meat pretzels without even needing to try arkham enemies however have a advantage batman doesn't have super powers only gadgets making it easier for the game devs to program the arkham enemies to be able to realistically adapt to batmans actions that kind of thing just isn't possible for spider man due to his super powers like the man can literally stick to the ceiling so the same kind of adaptation that the arkham enemies have wouldn't work hence why the insomniac spider man games enemies all are essentially braindead

​@@georgiepig5726They should still be able to shoot spidey off a wall though right?

Yeah I kinda disappointed that the newer games don't introduce such realistic mechanics to enemies. I think game mechanics in general are just getting downgraded with massive focus on graphics. I hope I'm wrong

And they shoot randomly Spider mans enemy AI doesn't come close to this behavior

On the other hand, a terrified enemy doesn’t necessarily NEED to be snuck up on. If you drop down in front of a calm enemy, they’ll immediately shout to their allies and attack, but if you drop down in front of a terrified enemy they’ll flinch and reel back in fear, giving you a few seconds to attack.

Right Spiderman has no escalation

My favorite thing to do in predator sections is to torment the last guy. Activating the machines scattered around the environment and watching the last man freakout never gets dull

Or if someone has a tracker and u stand behind them they'll freak out, I love AK's detail

@@GBkites Wait, I did not know this.

@GBkites-ef7ht I loved doing that too just standing menacingly behind them in detective mode and they slowly realize where you are and panic and you can see their heart rate climb as they realize it xD

@@nightwingrising5863 I'm so happy rocksteady put so much care into the series, easily best superhero game series imo

@@GBkites YES disabling their weapons and standing behind them is the funniest sh*t lol

Especially towards the end of the game when they start noticing you on gargoyles out of nowhere

Whereas in Spider-Mid 2, they’re a bunch of imbeciles

I'd say it was better in city though. Enemies in knight are a bit slow.

they are trained by jason todd so it make sense though, while kraven never really met spider man before.

@@supremegroden3021 It’s debatable. In City, they generally have an easier time seeing Batman, but in Knight they added more tactics for the ai to use. They change patterns and start checking for possible ambushes based on the takedowns you’ve used in the encounter. I think that’s pretty cool.

It gives them a sense of character. Even though they are random mooks they have their own lives and relationships.

@@hazelcrisp yea makes sense, batman is very advanced if we see it in details, the enemy's fearful movements, their dialogues. Great game could be used as a benchmark

They were still murdering innocent people and ilegally ocuppying a whole city because of a handsome paycheck

@@TheBatman39 ik ik it's a joke, they good comrades not ppl

Ah yes good people... Murderers, thieves, rappists, cannibals. But good people...

Also, I think in the first two games, some of the enemies that were less heartless than the hunters would say in a fearful voice "Am I the only one left?" and things like that

@@-diabolical- well that's true but in Spiderman Edge of Time, enemies can hold him in place. depends on the developers hahah

@@-diabolical- That is true but there are brute characters in the games that can block Spidey's punches and he must use his webs to stun them before attacking.

because they literslly cant hold him in place

How the hell will any of those thugs hold spiderman in place?

@@sandro-of9fq I mean game logic is weird. Brutes shouldn't be able to block Spidey. Doc ock should be out cold in a single blow. Sable too.

Funnily enough, this saved my life earlier in Arkham Asylum. I was playing on Hard Difficulty and during a stealth section I dropped in front of someone but was able to use that fraction of a second to stealth takedown them before they could shout for help 😂

i believe if you drop in front of them while their condition doesn’t read “terrified” then they don’t get startled, instead yelling to their allies for help

@@punkdoggo211 bro frfr i was playing asylum recently and this saved me

Also when there’s one enemy left he’ll constantly turn around and shines backwards being paranoid the whole time.

not to mention the infamous “it says he’s… right behind me?”

It really is a fuckin masterpiece, finally played it a few years after it came out and the numerous complaints about the tank sections were on my mind initially but then I completely forgot that I wasn't supposed to like it and actually ended up really enjoying it. It's probably the only other Arkham game I have no issues with at all (with asylum it's just the final boss, with origins it's the story, and city is just perfect imo)

I agree, I've been playing it pretty much since launch and there are still details I've only just found, truly the best superhero game out there, rocksteady killed it

Uh no. The Batmobile is absolutely an intrusive mechanic the devs shoved into 90% of the game

@@Mister_Domm um akshually the batmobile is not that fucking bad

@@bandawin18 Intrusive doesn’t mean bad. I never said that the Batmobile was a bad thing. Just that it was intrusive and that the devs should’ve toned down the amount of times you have to use it. Like it’s not bad to control and I like how you can transform from a car to a tank. But it lacks depth compared to the typical Batman combat.

It’s a shame MGSV was never completed…I can only imagine how much more would’ve been implemented.

@@Snake-pz6qj I get what you mean but Kojima said it was complete and looking at the cut content I’m glad it ended the way it did

I guess you could say that issue is gone in Spider-Man 2, since stealth is literally non existent.

To be fair batman is more about stealth he has trained most life in various area of combat while spiderman relies on his unique abilities

​@@mht2315😂😂😂

Yeah, the first Spider-Man game stealth challenges were just about speed, so I couldn't really do the takedowns I wanted and had to just zip from enemy to enemy. I like stealth things

​@@mht2315What do you mean? There's lots of stealth. The hunter bases for example are big stealth portions

Nah man asylum on hard is impossible on multiple stealth sections. The opening stealth area for the botanical gardens is low key really hard if you dont time everything right. Also unironically asylum has the best stealth ai in the entire series because it's really hard to fool them and one mistake and you're a goner on hard. Like you can't survive getting spotted once.

And it’s reliable since Jason Todd aka Arkham Knight, knew Batman tactics and teached them to the militia

@@Elephantsaresupreme bro what? I have beaten asylum on hard on ny first playthrough

@@magoomjey2287...... You have my respect, is all I can say

Not going to lie but stealth in Spider-man sucks

@@hazelcrisp wrong

@@zhavieradnan1956 its honestly been downgraded from the first game, only cool thing they added was the weblines

@@hazelcrisp I'm right there with you. The game is fun, but they made everything way too easy. I prefer the first one. The variety of gadgets made stealth and combat so much more satisfying.

​@@MrAnjo234the first game definetly deserved that game of the year award. This one doesnt

Art style can trump graphical ability.

Exactly why art direction is a thing

I _love_ how absolutely _nuts_ Gotham looks in Arkham Knight. I understand that, objectively, New York is vastly superior in most every category, being a technical work of art. It feels so much like a real city and it's truly impressive. But Gotham looks like it's come leaping directly out of a comic book. The constant awful weather, the trash in the alleys, the buzzing neon signs, the twisting streets, the frankly nonsensical architecture, the impractical monorail, the old-timey cars and clothes, the vintage styled posters, the ridiculously huge moon. It really personifies the idea that this is a _bad_ place. A relentless nightmare of steel and concrete. And despite having way less people, being smaller, being less realistic, the city itself still feels so alive thanks to the personality it constantly oozes. I love New York in the Spider-Man games. I really can't fault it, personally. I think it's incredible, and gets better in each game. But it's still just New York. It's a real place and it feels like one. Gotham feels like you're walking into a living, breathing comic book. The strong art direction and some clever lighting means that any outdated textures or models are negligible in the overall beauty and impactfulness of the world itself. It's a benefit of setting a story in a fictional city. You can do more with it. No hate to New York in the SM games, of course. They do a brilliant job capturing the distinct cultures and vibes between the different areas of the city and it really is just _brimming_ with life. (sorry for stupidly long reply)

@@div_divington Spiderman's New York seems too....clean. There should be poor areas but there doesnt seem to be (unless I am missing it). Spiderman's New York would be how Metropolis would be to Arkham Knights Gotham

​@@div_divingtonwhich is why Arkham is better than Spider-man gsmes. Because it suits more the world of.Batman compared to Spider-man in his own world

Waiting on the possibility for wall combat to make a return for sm3.

Probably doesn't help that there aren't any interesting interior levels that encourage puzzle solving via wall crawling

@@carbodude5414 I'm sure they can come up with something, but that's fair

@@carbodude5414 not true. Have you played the hunter bases?

The way you're supposed to do stealth missions is web up enemies without their comrades seeing it

How do I turn on detective mode again? Cause I forgor

@@Luffy65401 can't tell man, it's been long time since I played. Sorry

@@xxxSaiyan228 ok

​@WilliamAftom12976 I think it's the L1 button if you're on console, for PC idk.

@brando_05 aight thanks I'm on console

That's cause they ain't the best hunters, bro . Kraven is

Not only that but they really loved making games based on all those details you see in the game

That's a great idea.

All of them but one are present in the Arkham games. It’s not a toxic thing to learn from other developers, I don’t know why Insomniac is blockheads on this.

the thermal vision one is already a thing in miles morales

​@@secondhexoyeah but only in miles morales

Great ideas bro, stealth is way to easy in spiderman

I am replaying AK, and noticing how inteligent and organized they are, specially the Militia. They are always comunicating, always adapting, going in groups. Some AR challenges are really hard not just because of the challenge medals, but because how smart the AI is. I think one of the things that make you imerse so much in the arlham games is that the thugs are really alive. They have stories, fears, they care about each other, they really try hard to take you down.

You use floor grates? The boss says nuh-uh, stay on vantage points? They shoot them.

Tbh Arkahm Knight could be in one of the greatest free roam gsmes ever if the Bosses were better and not rushed

wayyyyyyy better

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better

Better stealth, Spider-Man has a way better combat

WAYYYYYYY BETTER!

Batman’s combat is not good. You can take out an army of melee enemies by spamming counter. It doesn’t have any variation or value.

Origins was solid too.

Batman arkham knight, Witcher 3, bloodborne 3, Black Ops 3, dying light etercia it was a good year lmao

​@@worp4406 "The Phantom Pain" has better AI than Batman and Witcher, and it was released in 2015. Even if the enemy behavior was already present in 2014's "Ground Zeroes", which is an hell of a prologue in game mechanics terms

@@sergioriggio1769 what in the world I'd Phantom Pain never heard of it lmao

metal gear solid v: the phantom pain@@worp4406

@@worp4406 It's the best stealth game ever made. In 2015 it didn't get the GOTY because the developer team Kojima Productions got kicked out from the producer company Konami. Even if they couldn't collect them the "best soundtrack" and the "best action game" awards went to The Phantom Pain. It did beat a lot of famous videogames titles in their own matter, such as Assassin's Creed, Batman, Call of Duty, Fallout, Halo, Tomb Raider and many more

Not true. We literally saw in the video how of you get careless in Spider-Man they’ll see you.

@@RealMatter200correct. And in AK, when there’s a drone pilot, if you take out enough other militia, eventually the drone pilot will abandon the drone and join the hunt for you, so rendering 1 of your tactic of drone hacking for multi-unit incapacitation useless. This is smart I’d say.

Combat is much better in Spiderman 2, tho. No offense to arkham combat of course.

i love both games but spiderman 2's combat is way more satisfying in my opinion. sticking people to walls with the symbiote or smashing a dozen enemies down to the floor with your tentacles and then blasting them with your venom blast never gets old

or that one move where you can stick multiple people to walls with the symbiote while rushing them in a huge symbiote thingy. it's just way too fun

I'll be playing again when we get the Battinson suit next month

@@JayRockLA will be free ? i was crazy for play with battinson suit, i think they put a orange/red filter too

@@flashreverso9557 Yes it will be free of course

@@JayRockLAjust randomly opened AK again to see the battinson suit, replaying the whole game again as we speak 😭

Personally, I don't need the last enemy to be terrified, it's would just be pretty neat if they acknowledged it in some way. Maybe start telling Spidey to come out and fight like a man. It's not necessary, but it is a neat detail.

That wasn't the idea, no one shows any reaction to being last, fear, anxiety, stress, or something like that

@@somebody7185 the hunters will acknowledge that they’re alone and will be cocky about it. The video just didn’t show it or didn’t get the dialogue in their one attempt

@@budgetstudios9988 oh, neat

Insomniac cares about their games. Those guys are technical wizards

@@mister-pinkman unfortunately they care more about pandering than actual gameplay experience. Lol. That's why they haven't beaten the Arkham series yet.

they are trained by jason todd so it make sense though, while kraven never really met spider man before.

@@juilianbautista4067 that’s bs, the gameplay is incredibly polished and fun. Saying it hasn’t beat the Arkham games is just an opinion but everyone knows these 2 series are the best superhero games of all time, some people prefer one over the other. Not that deep. Also Insomniacs spiderman series has sold just a bit more than the whole Arkham series, and it’s a ps exclusive and it’s newer lmao.

@@mister-pinkmanInsomniac is more into pandering. Also Arkham Knight wasn’t marketed and it was a total shadow drop

It sucks that WB forced them into making another GaAS in the form of suicide squad

Sure, the example he showed probably wasn’t the greatest. It’s not like it will change the fact that the feature doesn’t exist.

I’ve had one lean against a wall and shake his head after getting glide kicked in the face lmao, I’m genuinely impressed with rocksteady and very disappointed with the group that made Spider-Man 2’s ai

​@@itsGreyHat I was very disappointed with nearly the entirety of Spider-Man 2. I liked some things they did but most of it was a no-no.

What’s that meant to mean

That's a bold claim coming from a Spiderman fan

In the Arkham series? Yes.

I may use the spider in the profile but I prefer batman bc he's meant for more mature audiences, funny how you found me in 2 seperate vids@@TheBatman39

Both are amazing characters and both developers are awesome

I wouldnt say its rushed, they just seem to not care about stealth at all, and put all their effort into story and combat. Considering there’s significantly less stealth in spider man than in arkham, wouldnt say its that bad

it's not rushed, it just doesn't have that many details

Fanboy comment 🤮

@@lukalamorakboye2398 The game has less feautures, gadgets and attention to details than the previous release from 2018. It definitely was rushed and undercooked

​@@TheBatman39 also lacks a NG+ at launch

They missed out with a Fear mechanic with Symbiote Spider-Man

Yea the enemy ai has no personality in SM2 compared to the Arkham games. I’m talking more personality wise. The enemys were fine in SM1 2018, but the newer games completely lost that.

​@@pizzaguy9483it's kinda weird that I felt Gotham in AK was more alive than new York in spiderman 2 in terms of how the NPCs worked. Like the goons were commenting on everything constantly and they were making jokes and they'd basically act like humans, unlike spiderman 2 where the best you get is sometimes civilians saying things and Danika and jjj being one note characters.

The amount of times I hit the restart button because of this, lol.

Exactly. How come if an enemy spots you somehow everybody knows where you are and your location even when your hiding? That part was just stupid.

​@@BoginTheOrangeI ain't that that's a huge design flaw in stealth games especially

I remember pretty well that enemies can lose sight of you in Spider-Man PS4 and you can reenter stealth mode. I did it a few times to get the crime challenges.

@@gannielukks1811It’s possible but it just takes forever since the game just expects you to start punching and kicking rather than try and regain cover.

My favorite thing to do in knight is to let 1 guy live, use the disruptor, let him see me and fail, and then slow walk towards them and take them down (I haven't nor will ever upgrade the disruptor to do an auto take down when a enemy attempts to shoot me)

@@UnemployedStormtrooper you don't need to avoid spending those skill points because you need to fire two disruptor shots onto the same gun to make it backfire as opposed to just jam.

@@elboyo8343 oh I did not know that

@@UnemployedStormtrooper Yeah it's not very economical to backfire guns, best used as a scare tactic in itself or against difficult to reach thugs. Making a totally calm thug's gun explode by also hitting him with the electric charge gun and making him clench his trigger hand is a good way to cause calm thugs to begin patrolling for you. Also a somewhat obscure mechanic is that the grapple combo takedown works on brutes too.

So that means spiderman 2 can completely neglect enemy A.I . These types excuses is why we get shit, half baked games.

@@jjking8577 no the enemy AI works just fine in combat . The combat as a whole is harder and has more depth than Arkham Knight , nothing half baked about it

@@jjking8577 also ridiculous how the comparison paints these features as “missing” when they weren’t in the first game .

​@@phantom3146Yeah, Arkham's stealth is much more polished while Spider-Man's combat is a lot deeper and fun

Asylum AI is still better. Lol

You want Spider-Man to lose to a 10 year old game now?

how would it be fair? Asylum was released in 2009 and was the first in its series and SM2 was released in 2023 was the third in its series. lol you rrally just wanna break the rules to have a chance at winning, right? that's weakness

@@kaltengeist it was a joke, im a lifetime Arkham fan

Asylum ai is better😂

not gonna lie but batman arkham is best superhero game

​@@RogerStanford23Both are best in my opinion.

@@RogerStanford23 so far it's spider-man 2 for me but i think they could do better. i'm hoping for a lot with spider-man 3 and wolverine

yeah spiderman have better graphic but batman have better combat.details.rain.stealth . story and more ..@@maxsssss

Force feeding us woke politics took over their main priorities.

@@joelrobertson3130 this kiddos have been brainwashed and can't even enjoy game in peace. All they want is drama and hypocrisy 🤷

nah spiderman story is good but nothing compared to arkham series , spider focus mainly on traversal which is only thing above arkham games imo@@dexter27ll6

@@dexter27ll6 his point has not been disproven though

@@aadisankararun8633I’ll settle for significantly better reworked boss battles, best traversal system in any game, player having a great amount of control of the character, there’s way more options in combat & Traversal. You have more control over Spider-Man than Batman. I’ll also settle for a better narrative. Between the 3 games, comic lore, & spider-verse… lmao. Arkham doesn’t compare. The only saving grace is Mark Hamil, Kevin Conroy, & Tara Strong. His point is greatly disproven. Also Spider-Man 2 PS5 literally dethroned Spider-Man 2 PS2, lol “slight gameplay changes”. Also, all you Arkham fanboys.. stop deeming City’s gameplay better than Knight & the Spider-Man games, that’s the most delusional take 🤮. Arkham city was great for its time. Just because it’s monumental within gaming, doesn’t mean it aged well😂.

U sound like a nerd

Yea and the second test. The hunters that have the giant axe do parry you whenever you're out of range or standing above them on a different platform. Some throw electric gadgets in rare cases when they usually throw them when you're doing a aerial combo. And I actually noticed a brute throwing a trashcan at me but it was during combat

Mmm no, its just poor AI, dont try to justify it, its just poor AI, thats it.

Yea you’re wrong lmao

thats a reach lol dumb ai is dumb ai they already picking a fight with spiderman what they got to lose?

Because there’s no reason for Spider-Man to be stealthy most of the time Dude is invincible compared to the average thug, he’s got no reason to hide. Only reason he’d need stealth is for a hostage situation or something

​@@no-barkthechosenone2436agreed I love Spider-Man really, but he doesn't rely on stealth like Batman does because he doesn't need to he has super powers Batman doesn't so Spider-Man can fight all fists ablazing with little to no issue unless someone takes a group of hostages.

I would give Batman stealth but combat fully goes to Spider-Man

@@WatchOutForSpidersMan Batman is less repetitive

Not sad as for spidey bro fans spider-man is best, likewise for batman fans batman is best.

​@@vijaysuryan1478as a spiderman fan, batman arkham games are better.

⁠@@bloopletank2491 and i prefer batman but prefer spider-man 2 over the arkham games. so that means that your opinion or mine are just that, opinions