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Battle of the P320 modules. AXG vs. M1811 

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This is a comparsion alot of you have asked me for. A few months back when we dropped the review of the Brouwer LLC M1811 frame. There were alot of comments on how it compared to the AXG legion frame.
Well today we asnwer that question on the Channel. I have a clear favorite, but it was pretty dam close.

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@julianrivera2536
@julianrivera2536 14 дней назад
I 3D printed a new grip backplate for my AXG so now it, and the 1811 grip I have, has about the same footprint. In fact I modified the stl to be just the right thickness to pull my dot into vision every time. I switched back to my axg for the time. I will do some tests at the range to see how I like the two
@diametricallyopposed360
@diametricallyopposed360 8 месяцев назад
Brouwer is coming out with a metal M1811 frame. That review will be more of an apples to apples comparison.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
Very true. Depending on the aluminum it will be interesting to compare the weight. The grip angle will most likely be the same. So I feel the comparison will be between recoil impulse and weight. I am looking forward to the release.
@nyptbfan
@nyptbfan 8 месяцев назад
well I'm definitely glad I waited before getting the polymer frame.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@nyptbfan the only reason I don’t run aluminum frames. Is because I’m worried that in a class or Training If dent or ding the Module will become sharp. But for a match pistol I feel the aluminum is a solid upgrade.
@SirAwesome5auce
@SirAwesome5auce 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgearthey’re doing aluminum first and if it does well they’re doing a steel one 🎉
@ADDAmerican
@ADDAmerican 8 месяцев назад
Any clue how long it will be till they do that? Bc i want a metal one over polymer
@PocketDrummer
@PocketDrummer 4 месяца назад
My dude... the music is WAY too loud in this video.
@Thrandi
@Thrandi 8 месяцев назад
Why have "P320's are adult Legos" as a theme if you are going to immediately say one gun has a better trigger than the other. I feel like it's a miss not to swap the FCU's.
@brianstouffer9001
@brianstouffer9001 8 месяцев назад
Dude, that was my exact thought… just switch the frames and FCUs for an easy and *fair* comparison. What a miss…
@Thrandi
@Thrandi 8 месяцев назад
I did order the Bouwer M1811.
@ktmdevon
@ktmdevon 5 месяцев назад
⁠@@brianstouffer9001I think the point is you aren’t going to buy a axg legion for 1300-1400$ to change frames and stuff on it you’re going to buy a cheaper model and upgrade it. obviously you can do triggers but I don’t really understand how you can have a “fair” comparison of a stock and modded gun
@brocklanders9192
@brocklanders9192 7 месяцев назад
I like them both. Picked up my AXG last week. Smooth shooter with slim amount of recoil. Gets on target quickly. Can't go wrong with either one really. Preference is the only difference.
@ydanay4652
@ydanay4652 День назад
Thank god there is no obnoxious music in this video
@cornflarf
@cornflarf 8 месяцев назад
I just ordered the AXG grip as i've been eyeing it for a while and I found a good black friday sale. I may get an M1811 as well and see that i like better and either sell the other or just build another 320.
@donnydickerson5927
@donnydickerson5927 8 месяцев назад
You sold me on the AXG legion. It arrives at my FFL on Friday. Thanks for another great video Jeff!
@user-tw8ov
@user-tw8ov 8 месяцев назад
He likes the other one better
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
Glad I could help. You got the base gun. So now it’s adult legos!!
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@user-tw8ov I like the grip angle of the m1811 frame because it’s what I know. But for someone getting their first complete gun. The AXG series pistols is a solid choice.
@trackerjoe08
@trackerjoe08 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video love seeing the comparison!
@johnw4999
@johnw4999 2 месяца назад
Using grease and shooting the guns will help wear-in the trigger nicely. My factory XTEN trigger with nearly 7k rds fired is phenomenal! Day and night different than my NIB XTEN!
@brysonw1815
@brysonw1815 5 месяцев назад
Axg because metal frames are bad ass in a striker gun
@T.A.K.R.A.G_Reap
@T.A.K.R.A.G_Reap 7 месяцев назад
Would love to see a full size module from Brouwer. I prefer my grip module to sit flush with the end of my comp...just a personal preference. Nice review man, great watch
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 7 месяцев назад
You have to use the proper slide to make this happen. They have a new metal frame coming out. But if you are not using the proper slide and comp combo the over hand will always be there 🤙
@PnP-td1mt
@PnP-td1mt 8 месяцев назад
The comparison is 100% opinion driven. I run or have ran every sig p320 frame variant on the market currently. To the tune of a case of 9mm every 2-4 weeks. USPSA, Steel, and a wealth of training.. I have an x compact setup on a Brouwer frame with a Herrington comp and Romeo 1 pro. The best 320 comp currently available in my opinion.. This pistol is super lightweight and FAST! I like the way it’s balanced vs the heavier sig tungsten infused and AXG frames. I’m willing to bet most saying they want a heavier gun cannot transition with it.. I own a Spectre comp that recently had the compensator break out on the top forward section of the comp. Sig wouldn’t sell me a new one which is bs and only adds to the reasons why I won’t give sig anymore of my money. I run these is Alien Gear RF Duty holsters (bottom cut out a bit to fit 5” length slides)
@PnP-td1mt
@PnP-td1mt 8 месяцев назад
The Spectre trapped lead worse than any other comp I own. Not a big deal to clean out.. After a season of USPSA (15k rounds ish) the comp split out when cleaning it. Same brush I have been using (plastic handle) inserted from the top. With minimal sideways pressure the comp broke out.. It appears to be pot metal….. Regardless I called sig and asked if I could buy a new one. They stated the only thing they could do is offer me 10% off an entire Spectre comp slide assembly.. that wasn’t happening! Slapping an aftermarket comp on the gun isn’t really doable as the front sight post is in the comp and the way the original comp mounts. I had to mill the slide and replace the barrel. Doing this also required recoil spring tuning as the Herrington is a much more effective competitor.
@jw5297
@jw5297 7 месяцев назад
Just ordered the 1811 and magwell for my XVTAC.
@jonn8163
@jonn8163 8 месяцев назад
For me I’m in love with my M1811
@matthewthomas9312
@matthewthomas9312 6 месяцев назад
Throw that axg slide on the m1811 frame and thatd be my setup
@PT-rr4bg
@PT-rr4bg 5 месяцев назад
How do you like the Mischief P320 Commander? It’s an aluminum 1911 angle that weighs a bit more than the AXG. Also has proprietary removable grips.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 5 месяцев назад
They are constantly out of stock. So I have given up on getting one for now. I doubt it weighs more if it’s an aluminum. Module
@Taco1911man
@Taco1911man 4 месяца назад
@@rdrgearit’s back in stock now. Would love to see a comparison from you
@libertylivesin1776
@libertylivesin1776 8 месяцев назад
Love my AXG. A p320 with it is the superior wonder 9 of the 2020's.
@jordanschwartz8737
@jordanschwartz8737 6 месяцев назад
Can I ask what spring weight you are using on the P320 with Brouwer grip and comp?
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 6 месяцев назад
You would have ask Parker Mountian Machine. This is their Tardigrade slide. It comes comeplete from them.
@Liedton
@Liedton Месяц назад
Both are great it´s just a taste thing.. for me is the AXG better
@JayBe443
@JayBe443 5 месяцев назад
maybe its my long neck but I dont get the bore height issue on the axg pro, and have with glocks in the past. the sight picture feels natural for me
@not_your_business666
@not_your_business666 8 месяцев назад
I haven't tried AXG yet, but it didn't take me long to ditch Icarus grip and go back to wilson. I just see no real benefit in adding extra weight.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
Recoil impulse in dampened pretty heavily with aluminum modules. At the end of the day it’s ounces. So it no weight you feel. It’s all preference. A slightly heavier pistol will also track and return better with both irons and Red dot.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
Wilson grip for me, is too narrow and too slippery. I have not tried the Icarus yet. Tough yo get find them In stock
@not_your_business666
@not_your_business666 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear you can get it from me lol. It's for xcompact though. I get the recoil aspect, but for me it's not worth the trade off.
@PnP-td1mt
@PnP-td1mt 8 месяцев назад
I also don’t care for the WC frames. To narrow and slippery is exactly my issues also. I have but full size and compact 320 WC frames sitting here that I cannot give away 😆
@PilotMichal3d
@PilotMichal3d 8 месяцев назад
After trying the AXG, TXG and wilson Grip I came to the conclusion that the Icarus Socom Grip Module is still the best option out there for your P320 :D you should try that one !
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
It’s an aluminum version of the factory grip. Not really one that interest me for a 320. I will try some next year. Due to popular request.
@PilotMichal3d
@PilotMichal3d 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear the socom grip is a completely different profile than the factory grip
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@PilotMichal3d it still have the similar grip angle with better ergos.
@ryanvalencia1027
@ryanvalencia1027 8 месяцев назад
Grip angle is closer to stacatto p
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@ryanvalencia1027 huh?
@CAjefe510
@CAjefe510 5 месяцев назад
1st great video! Definitely earned a follow. 2nd great video... went and purchased the m1811 deep laser engraved within 12 hours. 3rd and my question to you. I have the expansion chamber legion slide. What adapter did you use to attach your RMR?
@ZensivYT
@ZensivYT 2 дня назад
I want the Brouwer Steel module coming out but idk if that thing will ever come out, been close to a year now I feel like
@rdrgear
@rdrgear День назад
@@ZensivYT logistics are a pain the in the ass. They have has sone set backs. But it’s coming .
@Fittednocap
@Fittednocap 6 месяцев назад
What would you say is a better buy, spectre comp or the tradigrade ?
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 6 месяцев назад
It's not really about a better buy. The Tardigrade is double the price. But it's also double the performance.
@tylerfrogley1227
@tylerfrogley1227 2 месяца назад
I keep watching this to remember if I should do the m1811 and it keeps reminding me why I love the OEM grip angles more. I see the red dot faster with the oem over the steeper angled guns like Glocks because of not having to overtorque my wrist to drive the muzzle down to find the dot. I fear I’d be doing some of that with the m1811.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 2 месяца назад
The m1811 is a 1911 grip angle more of a natural point of aim with Red dot. To drive the muzzle down add pinky pressure.
@cb2773
@cb2773 4 месяца назад
What holster are you using and did you have to modify it?
@jasondismuke4837
@jasondismuke4837 8 месяцев назад
I'm pretty set on the m1811, but not sure if I should spring for the extra laser texture on the grip.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
If you have any diy skills you can pick up stipple kits on Amazon or at OTDefense and do your own.
@settleschris1965
@settleschris1965 8 месяцев назад
Doesn’t polymer80 have the same grip angle as the 1811?
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
No. Not a true 1911 grip angle And the ploymer 80’s are pretty poor quality, have holster fitment issues etc.
@settleschris1965
@settleschris1965 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear ordered the 1811 can’t wait to get it to the range.
@Dlewis77777
@Dlewis77777 8 месяцев назад
Man I can’t wait until you get your hands on the new 320 metal module from Mischief Machine
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
I saw that. I plan to purchase one. When they drop.
@bikenurse
@bikenurse 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear I have one and they are great!
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@bikenurse they are already available?
@bikenurse
@bikenurse 8 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear I was/am testing it but they just went up for sale last week. Already sold out of the first run.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 8 месяцев назад
@@bikenurse testing? As a review or just friends of the company?
@luismarin933
@luismarin933 6 месяцев назад
Brouwer is just over the top price wise. Doesnt make sense even though I dig it. WC is probably the best option for cost and performance.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 6 месяцев назад
You get what you pay for. No magwell with Wilson, they are the same shape as a standard P320 frame. They need to be re-textured and you have to follow what's already on the frame. The M1811 frame yes may be more money. It also has more features. When you really compare price. The Wilson frame should be about 30 bucks for what you get
@luismarin933
@luismarin933 6 месяцев назад
@@rdrgear Yep thats a fact. Always skating between a good deal and best bang for your buck without compromising on quality and benefits. I have the M18 California version (compact). I can already tell I hate the grip. Does Brouwer only sell the full length?
@jqsoul4667
@jqsoul4667 6 месяцев назад
Not a dog in this fight as I have limited experience but vs x-carry grip or OEM, my money is on the P80 grip. Absolutely love it.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 6 месяцев назад
@@jqsoul4667 I have tried them. 1. Not the same grip angle as a 1911, not a fan of the rail design, no options for a Magwell, and very little holster support for those who already own a P320.
@mrgoodkat8567
@mrgoodkat8567 5 месяцев назад
Im honestly not impressed with the legion 320 triggers. Its just more marketing bs. I have an old model x5 back when they had numerous colors available and had the pure poly frames. All of those x5’s came with a slightly cleaner trigger than the normal 320. When i compare the legion trigger to whats in my x5, its identical.
@prgundefense
@prgundefense 8 месяцев назад
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 3 месяца назад
What does rdr mean?
@johnA012
@johnA012 8 месяцев назад
Also agree - M1811
@echodenise
@echodenise 6 месяцев назад
Does it work with the 10rd mag for us ca boys
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 6 месяцев назад
Of course
@Senpai_B
@Senpai_B 2 месяца назад
You didnt even do the same testing fire for both. This is already a botched review. Not even the same rds!
@mikeO31082
@mikeO31082 5 месяцев назад
I really want to give the brouwer a try, but there is no justifying the cost on this. They need to scale production and get costs down. There is no comparing a polymer frame to a steel/aluminum frame. Starting price on the base brouwer (bare bone) is $90. $200+ for the laser etched model. It's another $48 add-on for a mag release button and manual safety cut. The Wilson combat grip module is $67. Thats $22 cheaper and includes a mag release button and manual safety cut free of charge. You load up the brouwer with all the bells & whistles and it's $300+. That's AXG territory.
@rdrgear
@rdrgear 5 месяцев назад
If you already have a 320. You would Swap the mag release. Sure the Wilson is cheaper but one you have them both in hand you feel how overpriced the Wilson module is.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 3 дня назад
@@rdrgear Exactly. If you're transferring your pre-existing components, it's just the frame costs. If you want to have modules ready to switch back and forth on the fly, then yeah it's some additional costs. But barebones + shipping from the manufacturer is basically $100. Adding that to a P320, is giving you a striker fired 2011 inspired pistol. For HECK of a lot less than a standard 2011. I feel like if you're comparing it to 2011's, it's cheap as chips. If you're exclusively comparing it to other grip modules, then yeah slightly more expensive. Get the module, put on skateboard tape or a tape kit and you're in the red for $120 - which is no where near AXG territory.
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 3 месяца назад
Please speak more clearly. When you speak slow and then speak real fast it’s confusing.
@Ruby_Sterling
@Ruby_Sterling 3 месяца назад
I understand him fine, but I think the issue is the audio mix. The music and gunfire overshadows his voice.
@matt-un6cj
@matt-un6cj 7 месяцев назад
Turn the damn music off man. So distracting
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