BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC ARMADA 2 | Imperial Navy vs Necron (1v1 Beta Gameplay Ranked Battle 14) 

Same here bud, I wanna see them put in some campaigns for the other races as well. I've heard there's 3 camps so far but I don't wanna just use the others for multiplayer. I'd love to see a good online community but I guess that depends on how they keep it updated. I love 40k games but they never last longer then a few weeks

Also Imperial Grand Cruisers don't have the improved front armor of other Imperial ships. So they're less able to shrug off damage on the approach.

Not many widows being made then, huh?

That's how it usually goes with necrons in space battles...

I haven't played them, but I am pretty sure at least one of their light cruisers gives you a mass teleport ability, which is like a second emergency jump. You see the medium sized ship that had the three orange up arrows on it? that's his flagship, a light cruiser. That one.

@@timmietimmins3780 Good to know. This would be quite useful.

@@timmietimmins3780 What was that green mist ability that light cruiser was using? It seemed to be targeting both enemies and allies, are those scarabs?

@@ReddotzebraYeah, scarabs. Flagship ability you pick from the menu. It's a trivially weak heal over time to your own ships, but it's 10 dps to every enemy ship in range.

The Necrons didn't look OP as such, they looked very specialised and far fewer in number.

That's Admiral Spire, lieutenant!

@@survivor686 He's an Admiral who *captains* a ship.

Yeah, it was the crits. By 9 minutes, both cairnes had lost their decks, meaning dispersed lightning arc (makes their guns do 50% aoe to all secondary targets in gun range, which is 13.5k) was offline. As soon as that happened, they kind of couldn't compete on damage. If they ever could before. In a straight up gunfight, 2 cairnes really cant match avenger spam even if the avengers don't ram (Which they should), don't brace (Which they should), don't switch to reload stance (which they should), don't force their way in between the cairnes (Which they should, it doubles the dps of an avenger to have a target for both broadsides), and the avengers show up 3 at a time. It looks like a game where the necron is just Overpowered and bullshit... until you actually see the super simple, BASIC stuff that could counter them. Bracing on that first ship would have saved it about 500 health. Enough health to allow it to ram again, or more likely, forced out the second star pulse. Which would have meant that the enemy star pulses would be down and for the imperial navy to rush them: Necron guns all autohit, so they have no increased damage as you get closer. Macro cannons get dramatically better as you go from 13.5k to 0. Like 40% hits, to 60%, then 80%. It also would have been dramatically easier for that ship to boost out of range on the top side if it had not begun the engagment by burning it's entire combustion gauge to get into starpulse jump distance slightly faster. When necrons win, it's through flashy bullshit that makes them seem uncounterable, but when they lose, it's a little trickier to see, but it's just as dramatic. It's their 50+ point jackals taking a critical hit which kills them instantly (critical hits instantly kill escorts, and that's a much bigger deal when your escorts do not have shields to fend of lightning strike and cost twice as much as an ork escort), then it's their support cruiser folding almost immediately and costing them their second teleport, and then it's just 2 cairnes, stuck in the middle of the map dying.

Nicely analized, sir. Who knew the youtube comment section does sometimes contain something constructive? @@timmietimmins3780

@@optimuspine4288 To be honest, I think the youtube comment section is just a better forum than reddit. First of all, it is linked to something I actually get value out of, whereas the only reason to go to reddit is to talk, or more likely, to obsessively check one's validation through their karma score, which I don't think is healthy beheavior. Secondly, it does not artificially boost negativity. Not only does downvoting something on youtube not make it impossible to see that the thing was well received, but also, no one ever does it. In fact, the horrible voting system which kills conversation on reddit is such a joke here people don't even upvote their own posts. You talk to people because you want to. Not for some need to be recognized by some horrible structure. I think the stakes for being wrong are much lower on youtube, so I see a lot of comments that I think "this is just factually incorrect". but in terms of quality of discussion? I think that's better. If you want to say something interesting, you have to occasionally risk being wrong. The BFG armada 2 subreddit is COMPLETELY dead. Like "one thread every 24 hours, maybe 3 replies for a lot of threads". Which makes sense. I wouldn't want to post there, and be wrong and judged for it. I am far from an expert on this topic. But I can attempt to figure out for myself what is going on in these battles by talking it over with other people and myself. And some of the stuff I have said about BFG, I am sure, is REALLY wrong. But because I can say something wrong, I can turn it over in my head for long enough to realize that it's wrong.

@@timmietimmins3780 Really appreciate the feedback here, some great information in there. I admit I never played the first game so definitely don't have a great working knowledge to pull from in that regard. But you bring up some really good points of ways to counter and some of the mechanics which allow the Necrons to 'do what they do'. I'm still not 100% convinced that the Necrons don't need a nerf to that pulse ability and some buffs to their overall damage output abilities to encourage more diverse gameplay, but hopefully they continue to balance test and can find a happy median while maintaining a unique play style.

@@DeliciousCornbread Oh, to be clear, I absolutely believe it's imperative that star pulse gets nerfed, for multiple reasons. First of all, it's too punishing to noobs, and it's not clear enough what the range is to the defending player (the thing seems to do flat damage to everything in range, rather than rolloff with distance, which is also very confusing to new players). That alone is reason enough. Beyond that, it's actually needed for defense. It's not meant to be an offensive weapon at all: Necrons are meant to be a faction weak to ordinance, and it's the anti ordinance panic button. The idea is that the attacker wants to launch as much ordinance as he can on the necron, doing more and more damage, without launching so much that it's worth star pulsing and then getting EVERYTHING dropped on you immediately afterwards. It's a defensive ability. Not the primary attack. But when it's used on offense, it's not available for defense, making necrons hilariously weak against bombers. I just think that when star pulse gets nerfed, they will need some major other buffs in other areas, to not be a bottom tier fleet that has almost unwinnable matchups at higher skill levels. Necron was still a major underdog against 6 avengers (And I do think avengers will get more expensive in the next beta, they are by far the best ship in the imperial navy), even with it's star pulse bullshit.

Yeah, woulda been good. Also, imperials don't just have melta torpedoes, they also just have regular torpedoes, which just do regular damage (90 damage ignoring shields for each one that hits, don't recall what they treat the enemy armor as).

@@timmietimmins3780 Weird, I think they had melta torpedoes in the first game

@@TheShamanSZ They do. They just also have regular torpedoes. They have 6 torpedoes per tube, and can launch 3 of each.

Well, the fact that they lost this time doesn't mean that the tactic they generally use, that Starpulse Wave, isn't way overpowered. The problem really, is that that technique is so powerful, it makes Necrons turn into a one trick pony... You fight Necron, that's what you got to look out for and nothing else. So even if we disagree on the skill being too powerful, I would say in this sorts of tactics game, it lends the whole of necrons towards one style of play, meaning there's also one general way to counter it which I think will hurt the Necron as a playable race over time.

I agree, the skill is gonna get nerfed next patch together with an overall buffing to compensate. Balance is in the works, with 12 factions there are loads of factor to consider. It will take some time before we hit the balance sweet spot.

@@MD-xb2tw Of course, this is why these betas exist, to iron out issues and probably get some balance in for the final release of the game... And though I am getting the game (just aren't part of the beta in any way), I just seriously appreciate the fact that the company is doing this, versus a lot of games where their beta is one or two days of engine tests a week before launch.. It just shows more promise and builds up goodwill between players and the game devs I think! I am so looking forward to the end result :D

Yeah! Very well played by them!

Only the flagship has bombs, so he could only actually drop one due to the cooldown.

I really hope balance gets to a place where that's not needed. In the current build, if dark eldar could only take 2 batleships, it would be mandatory in a competitive environment to take 2 battleships. If they actually nerf the battleships, it might be a choice. also, I feel like their capture points, carrier play, and boarding are well on the way to helping them make lots of fleets viable. The person with slightly less carrier power than the opponent actually, I feel, has a strong advantage. As long as that carrier power is at least a couple squadrons. Defender's advantage means that the person with, say, 8 squadrons, can easily defend against the player with 10 and then get value out of whatever he spent his points on instead. similarly, torpedoes are meant as a line breaker. you aren't supposed to HIT people with torpedoes. you are supposed to force them to turn so you can drive your fleet into the hole you made. As a result, it doesn't make sense to take 15 torpedo ships, when 3 would do the job and cause the same damage (zero). Beyond that, if you have nothing but escorts, you are going to get crushed in the main engagement, but if you take 2 cobra widowmakers and try to just cap with those, I think you are going to get gibbed by some hellbringer or defiant running silent, or overrun by a bunch of nova spam (not the cannon, the admech/space marine escorts that move like 240 or 280 or something insane). There is really incentive to take some armed escorts (the widowmaker has no guns, only torpedo launchers which do precisely nothing against non afk escorts), but there is a lot of incentive to not take only escorts, and then find you can't even get in gun range of a cairn, because it''s dispersed lightning arc is hitting every one of your escorts for 50% damage. I don't think they have to set hard rules, and if they do, it will allow them to sweep serious balance issues under the rug, while not only making fleets more uniform rather than less, but also making it harder to get into the game: if you have trouble microing lots of ships, play 2v2, take 2 battleships, and learn to play with only 2 units and an escort on the table. I like that that's possible.

Nahh this game is hot ! Gotta take a look at those sweet booties