BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC ARMADA 2 | Tau vs Necron (1v1 Beta Gameplay Ranked Battle 13) 

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The moment you just sat there and looked at the ships firing, while the necron fleet was inching closer and closer I knew exactly what was going to happen ...

@@sabothbrainiac5844 100% agree, but even earlier. At 7:50 the necrons start turning and I'm feeling suspicious, and by 8:00 - 8:10 I'm certain what what the opponent is going for... and PE sits there for the next 60 seconds looking at pretty colors T.T

Seeing that I was just like Nerf please...

its called staying out of range the necron are weak as fuck on all other aspects their ability to kill you with their jump is their only tool to win

@@kelthuzad4634 That speaks more to poor game design than a plausible excuse to NOT nerf it.

@@FrantzGray only because Necrons are so weak in the game that is the only way to win with them

@@FrantzGray yes

Yeah, they almost literally are programed to not to do that sort of things. Weird.

Recent Necron codex made it so they can fail leadership and run off the tabletop. It's seen as the self-preservation program over-riding the command protocols given by the commander. So a mutiny could be seen as an extension of that. Since they can't "run" away whilst on a ship unless the ship moves. Plus, Necron lore now allows for necrons higher than base warriors to gain more personality and intelligence with time and experience. So the race isn't doomed to die once all their current leaders are dead. What makes zero sense is Tyranids performing a mutiny. The entire ship is one big hivemind and thus wouldn't lose control of its crew.

@@keldor8302 Except it's proven in the lore that when a 'nid's synaptic connection to the hive mind breaks down, the 'nid reverts to a total base and bestial form. So while the ship probably wouldn't run away, it'd likely be destroyed from the inside out.

I haven't played the game yet. And watching these vids gives me a headache sometimes. He doesn't seem to really read and put together what all his ships can do and remember that when he gets into a game. Which makes things frustrating to watch as a spectator. The fact that he wins sometimes despite not utilizing what is available makes me facepalm.

Oh look a completely valid and dare say accurate depiction of how you play tau Still doesn't change the fact that the only counter is ramming them with a tight formation

As you said. No plan at all. And no Tau-like strategy either. On top of that knowing that the Necrons will get on your face ...

Yeah, he doesn't seem to read up on all the ships and put their abilities and stats into context to form a strategy. "This looks cool and i won with it...so i'll just keep using it the same way." Seems to be how he goes about things. Frustrating to watch.

Agreed. It's fun to look at briefly but just sitting there watching zoomed in views while he does nothing drives me up a wall.

F10!

That'd just be boring and predictable, I feel

cuz he is easyly distracted by beautiful imigery.

I chuckled at that comment when he said that he easily gets distracted, because when he said that while looking over the 'shoulder' of the Tau light cruiser up-close; we the viewers saw the slow-ass necron fleet edging closer. And in the back of our minds we said, "here it comes...," moment later the necron player deletes his cruisers.

Yes, but torpoedoes are way toned down. They do not have unlimited turning radius, so escorts can burn past them to buy more time. Mostly though, they are limited in quantity and die very quickly to point defenses. They do kill isolated 3 turret escorts that do not manage to get protected by enemy carriers, or even other light cruisers or escorts, but other than that, they are tricky to use. Just look at what 2 seeker torpedoes did at 12:26. Against 7 unbraced turrets (an imperial light cruiser in brace for impact has 12 turret value), the torpedoes managed to move about .... 2k units before both being shot down. I don't have a feel for what turret range is yet, but it feels like it's about 4.5k. Against a stationary light cruiser in brace for impact, you probably need 8 torpedoes for even 2 of them to land. Against a light cruiser in brace for impact that burns away from you, I suspect you could launch like 20+ torpedoes and none would connect. If your opponent is closing with you, badly damaged, you are firing them from EXTREMELY close range, or you are firing against very isolated escorts, they can do work. but against capital ships? you better have a fighter screen up to distract the turrets. AND they better not be burning away from you. Unguided torpedoes in this game are actually so weak as to be almost useless, except for eldar which have no torpedo spread and can get large volleys off at minimum arming distance. I am not sure if seeker torpedoes are actually useless (because they don't share a cooldown with strike craft, have an overlapping role, and when fired in combination with fighters, they may be relevant), but they share the low health that other torpedoes have, and the limited quantity. Also, of note, they do friendly fire damage. you can very much kill your own escorts if you have them in front of a seeker missile ship at the start of a battle, which is a real issue for tau who are already really tough to control well.

Yes, but limited to 3 charges now.

losing detection still makes them fly to the horizon

It's a game mechanic for balance

I’m new to the game and I’m confused. Do necron ships just teleport then starpulse and win?

@@sturm9087 I'm not sure if they Nerfed it since this was 1 year ago. But basically you can do insane damage by doing that so yes.

@@90enemies huh thats crazy that the designers would make it like that

Not, they are actually one of the worst factions along with space marines, very fragile and slow with a single cheap tactic (teleport > wave) to salvage game, but they can barely do anything against most factions if they spread out.

@Nupraptors Head I completely understand. "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" You have a pragmatic mind and that's rare these days. We often seek out our own kind without even trying. Keep up the great work my friend.

But without it Necrons pretty much become the worst faction in the game

There's too much focus on keeping it similar to the table top game. I was in the same boat with the first game, lack of true 3d movement in modern space games rustles my jimmies especially since homeworld did it in 1999.

@@Blottingpaper exactly, I'm sure it would add alot of complications but it's an opportunity to innovate since not many space strategy titles do it nowadays. There could be alot more room to grow your skill!

I heard they were really OP atm with some of their abilities

Not really "their abilities" Just one. Star pulse wave. Star pulse wave is both so overpowered it clearly has to be nerfed, and the only thing that is holding up what is otherwise clearly the second worst faction in the game... not even without it. Just if it was even toned down to function in it's primary role, I think necrons would start giving space marines a run for their money for "Worst faction in the game". They are super vulnerable to template weapons, because their ships have a very inflexible movement mechanic. As soon as you jump, you cannot high energy turn or boost, so you just get templated to death. nova cannon spam in particular wrecks them. Also, most ships have shields to absorb the first nova cannon shot, and many capital ship have shields to absorb the first 2+, and then brace to mitigate the small number remaining that actually connect. Not so the necrons, who just eat every nova cannon that is placed on them unless they teleport. The meta is just to find the cairn, drop nova cannons one at a time until he teleports, then drop everything on him. Their cairn is flat out terrible: it's got the same fighter escort as the scythes, making it super vulnerable to being bombed, and it cannot brace, so it takes basically 33% more damage from bombers of all other major capital ships. It's turret value is also not good. They are very vulnerable to ramming, because they are not immune to morale and cannot brace for impact (which negates morale damage from ship collisions). They are also super vulnerable to critical hits, which is a problem for all expensive ships in this game, but particularly for the expensive ships without shields. I feel like their guns are good, and their theme is great: they have super powerful guns which just shred enemies at medium range, but they have the best, most intricate ships in the game, so you don't want to just ram them into other people like orks with retrofitted asteriods. They also have a cool interaction with stasis bubbles, because their guns do not have flight time and they do not use strike craft or torpedoes: you can shoot through stasis bubbles but your opponents cannot get bombers through, or for that matter, macro cannons. The problem is that the vision of them as one of the slowest factions in the game is just not working. At all, and while a long cooldown teleport is acceptable in single player, it just does not work against a competent human player.

@@timmietimmins3780 oh okok, I dont actually play the game, gonna buy it when it comes out, I dont know a lot about it, just heard people complain that the starsomething pulse was a bit broken in combinaison with teleportation

I think it will be pretty good already if devs just nerf the starpulse, remove health regen cap, increase regen from 1 point per second to 4 or 5 points and remove permanent critical damage for Necrons! :p

@@R2700x I like the sentiments, I am not sure about the specifics. I think that removing the health cap would be a big mistake. It would make for really tedious kiting matchups, and necrons can in fact disengage. Regenerating half your hit points every battle is already a lot, and the necrons can already disengage and reeengage repeatedly, because of how gauss whips ignore shields. I think the game would just get super tedious, in short, even if you could balance it. As for the rest, to be honest, I am not the guy to comment. I don't even really remember how everything worked in the beta any more. What does pyramidal reconstruction do? not sure. What's the cauterization delay for regen stance? is there one? don't recall. Which weapons prevent necrons from regenerating for a while? I think it might have something to do with some of the dark eldar stuff?