Diddy stole this beat from Pete Rock, took credit for Flava In Ya Ear remix mocking Easy Mo Bee. The majority of the tracks he "produced" had ghostproducers or coproducers behind, or people actually playing instruments and drum machines cause he can't do shit cause is unable. Plus the majority the tracks he "made" were legally stolen ideas from other hit song cause he payed royalties, for example Satisfy You has the same beat of I got 5 it with minor differences, Can't Nobody Hold Me Down is the same beat of "the message" and so on. He's a living fraud and a producer with no talent whatsoever, he's only good to steal other ideas and take credit.
Pete’s sounds so damn 90s. I love it. I wouldn’t even be mad at the Puff version if he gave Pete the credit tho. He literally did nothing but let the original beat play. No pitches or anything. Damn shame
SANDURZ ON THE SCENE GIVING YOU THE SCOOP BEHIND THIS SHIT LEARN THE REAL STORY I had a joke about Diddy just being the "executive producer" type producer and never actually making beats only because they never invented a sampler that hooked up to the giant keyboard from Big so he could just dance his beats out. But I forgot about it.
+Sandurz Bruh I hadn't had time to stop by on stream but I really got a thank you again. These shits are amazing and I think I found a hobby I'm going to enjoy for the rest of my life. Keep this shit up and you still haven't finished that Let Me Ride breakdown... I remember shit too lol
+Sandurz "Any artist out there that want to be an artist and stay a star, and don't have to worry about the executive producer trying to be all in the videos, all on the record, dancing… come to Death Row!"
I've seen Pete tell the story. The record was on the turntable. Diddy saw it and heard what Pete was doing and then went back and used the sample as is like he did with everything!
Apparently the same thing happened to Pete Rock for the beat used for 'Jazz (We've Got)' by A Tribe Called Quest and he didn't get the proper credit, it's very unfortunate.
JayP10888 i don't think the Tribe one is that bad considering the fact that Tip shouted him out AND Tip is a way better producer than Diddy. He could've easily done something similar to Pete Rock whereas Diddy's is a joke compared to Pete's. I hope that makes sense. plus the real hip hop heads know who made it. just like real hip hop heads know Tip produced most of Tribe's earlier stuff and it wasn't produced by "the group"
And ppl say history is boring!!!! THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS sandurz you should teach your an inspiring person love your passion and determination your professionalism and the finished product is good one day you will be headhunted by Apple or someone
This is my number 1 favorite hip hop song of all time so it was interesting hearing about how it all went down. I didn't know that Diddy did this to Pete Rock. Damn it, what didn't Diddy do? (South Park reference)
It's literally not his version though, I hate seeing people saying he's the producer, he just took the instrumental of someone else's song and overlayed biggie's vocals.
wow, didn't know that drum break at 0:53 was the same one used earlier in the album for the intro of One More Chance, when all the girls are leaving him messages on the machine.
First full vid I've watched of yours. I'm subbed now, trying to just start getting into this beatmaking thing and gotta say - you flipped this into a good vid because of the story behind it, can't wait to see more. Hope you're getting the shine you deserve from these vids and the website.
+Mac2095 also just had to throw in after watching a couple more of your vids - digging the flannels, man... you almost even make it look like you're wearing them by choice and not cuz you gotta chop a buncha trees down in the morning w/o getting the sawdust all over ya. damn fine work chop beats not trees
+Mac2095 thanks man I didn't think this would make a good vid but then I remembered the whole story behind it and ran with it. And you know the shine there YOU KNOW
You should breakdown: • A Tribe Called Quest - Jazz (We've Got) • Busta Rhymes - It Ain't Safe No More • Freddie Gibbs - B.A.N.ned & • Nas - Take It In Blood
Pete Rock's remix is not the original beat he made. His original beat sounded much closer to the one that made the album. He explained that in an interview.
Nice work men! Was searching for something like this for a while! Nice details and everything clear and simple! Do you maybe know, which Piano Mtume used in the song? In the version of Diddy its soooo smooth, what did diddy and track masters do to make it so smooth. I wanna recreate that Piano Sound of Juicy, so i need to know which piano Mtume originally used, and what Diddy and his Producers did after. Can you help? :D
They did use the Pete Rock version for the remix. Bro, black people of a certain age know the song "Juicy Fruit" very well. It was a big hit on the RnB scene.
Me diddy pete rock and abiggie grew up with Mtume...So i know as soon as puff heard petes version, he knew what it was,,,that was rocked on a normal on the radios, in house parties, the parks all that son....we grew up to what we sample.
Biggest difference is the hi hats. The 8th notes in the Pete Rock cut make the feel far too rushed. Needs that quarter note, laid back feel from the original
Another great episode! I'm glad that you started this "Start From Scratch" Series too. I've been studying audio production at Full Sail University for about a year now with a ton of equipment on hand but haven't been picking up skills for making beats although I know how to a little and have produced some stuff hear and there. I'll be sure to check those videos out and send you some finished work in the future. Whats the best way to send you some instrumentals?
+Evan Chase can hit the email for best shot a response! Or there's the Critique livestreams where you can submit at beatbreakdown.net and get in the lineup.
+MrHurricanranas old Neptunes is something I want to do! I need to track down the exact sound bank from their Tritons and shit because I know I can get those sounds exactly for a lot of their stuff, and doing anything else wouldn't be as good lol
So in other words, Puff Daddy snaked the beat... Never knew the history behind that. Thanks for the share! Still voting for Kanye West- Devil in A New Dress!
P Diddy’s beat is wayyyy lazier than the original pete rock beat. But I believe the best producer currently alive, madlib, has said “If the loop is good, why complicate it with different chops or anything like that?” Diddy made a fucking classic. But he needs to give Pete Rock his credit though.
I guess if you have the money you just say fuck it and pay whatever to just leave the sample the way it is... Snake shit, Pete Rock murdered that. You're comment on Diddy's producer cred is hilarious
in my opinion, the best beat/music always wins, regardless of anything else. im glad things happened the way they did, because biggie just rapping over the original instrumental is a lot better than pete rocks version. it just has a way more classic vibe. i dont think juicy wouldve been as classic over pete's version. it doesnt have that vibe, its just another good boom bap beat. the drum beat on the original has a really unique, vintage feel to it, too.props to Mtume for producing Juicy
+zachyg if it was any other verses at all on that beat I'd agree but that's some of the most iconic shit ever spit and I think it would have been almost equally iconic over the Pete Rock version. BUT the drums and vibe on the Mtume is definitely forward-thinking in a hip-hop context with how sparse it is despite having all of the older sounds so that did play a substantial part. But also I think it coulda been a huge track over almost any beat.
Diddy is talentless. Actually try and look through the credits of Biggies classics. Find even one that Diddy produced alone. You can't. There are always one or however many other producers who had their hands on the shit. I'm fairly certain Diddy's part of the production consists of throwing money at the thing and then saying "yeah" in the song.
Diddy version better in my opinion bc the drums fit better i think the drum break pete rock used was a lil to fast for that type of sample but the fact that pete rock basically made the beat first he gets my vote
