William Savage Same here ...I’m not brand loyal have owned multiple Cummins, a Duramax, several small blocks and still own an 8.1 big block for work and an F150 3.5/10 speed for personal use.
Agreed. I bought a 2018 GMC w/ Duramax and am really pleased with it, but definitely would have considered one of the two newest gassers if I had the patience.
Why? Barely anymore power to push the heavier truck and even worse MPG. Only thing i like about the fords are their towing options. Cameras and reverse knob are so basic yet so convenient.
@@htownsfinest87 10-Speed transmission, more usable torque a lower RPM and you're crazy if you think a 6.4L Hemi in a 2500 or 3500 truck is going to get noticeably better mileage.
@@benjaminwayneb You are right it just not the 25 plus years that Ford claims. I like ford trucks,I'm not trying to hate. Driving a 16 Tundra right now. I had a 77 F150 4x4 400m and a 78 Bronco Single shock with a 400m.
@@daryoushborja5115 out of every single consumer vehicle in the united states, the ford F-series has been the best selling vehicle/most popular for over 30 years straight. In 2019 they sold 300,000+ more trucks than Chevrolet. In 2021 the most popular vehicle are the F-series. Followed by the Honda Accord, civic, Nissan Altima, Toyota Corolla, and then Chevy Silverado. That's just sale numbers. Let's not even talk about quality 👀 Chevy is laughable at best
The internal parts of this engine are built to last a long time at high and low rpm. 6 bolt mains! It's basically a 445 c.i. push rod V-8. It's built like a tank. Bring back the full size Bronco, and slap one of these in there!
These unedited videos are a great addition! I like the commentary and hearing the truck labor constantly over the whole climb. Seeing and hearing the whole uninterrupted run does give additional insight into how well the truck works. All of these trucks really are remarkable.
That was awesome to see. Much better info. Its the 10 speed and 430 rear end that's working so good. Allowing the gas engine to actually tow. This might be a winning for us who are fed up with diesel emissions draining the pocket book.
Thank you for adding the unedited version to your play list. I find these very informative because some of the chatter is adding to the discussion of the HD pickup trucks.
Would like to see the head to head between the 6.2 gas, the 7.3, and the new power stroke. Wanna see the difference between all three with the same trailer
@wnc817 how long has it been since Chevy did anything in response to another manufacturer? They've sat quietly and let Ford dominate half tons with the Ecoboost and let Ram surpass them. All these years and no answer to the Raptor. Ford and RAM upped the diesel power noticably and Chevy keeps the Duramax at the same power level. Not only do they not seem to care what other manufacturers are doing, they don't seem to care what customers want.
@@boduke9428 all that may be true, but what do customers really want? To have a payload and towing rating that's slightly superior? A bit more horsepower despite having more than adequate amounts? A few minutes quicker up a mountain pass? Ford is killing it from a marketing and popularity perspective, and I hope they do as well from a reliability and long-term ownership satisfaction aspect as well, but Chevy is still a very good vehicle in it's own right. I dont think anyone would be too unhappy with their relative performance, quality or ownership experience versus Ford or Ram.
@wnc817 actually the 6.6 is more powerful power plant than the 8.1 ever was. The issue is the 8.1 had the good diesel transmission whereas the new 6.6 at least for 2020 has the old 6-speed. that will likely change for 2021 the same way that their heavy duty trucks currently do not have adaptive cruise control.
Thanks for posting. Your videos really contribute to the choices we make on buying trucks. Great job Ford. That 7.3 is a beast. How did it compare to the 6.2?
Having to go WOT on an uphill while towing. Been there in my old V10 Excursion with over 300k miles on the factory engine. It was sure puckered up. LOL.
C Steele 🤣 Look all! We found the GM fan trying to bash the Ford that absolutely destroyed their beloved GM trucks lol 😂 All in good fun so don’t take offense
Love the unedited video. Was curious on what the mph dropped down to going uphill. This video answered that. Plus it’s nice to see how the truck is the entire way up and down the mountain with shifting, MPH,RPM, coolant and trans temps etc.
I just bought one a week ago absolutely love it! This is my third F250 but this one takes the cake Ford you really outdid yourselves on this godzilla 7.3! Thank you Ford!
16,000lbs at this Colorado elevation and that truck just rocked it. I’m surprised. You have to tow at elevation to appreciate this result. I was leaning diesel but now I see no need. My F-150 3.5 ecoboost has been great, but this Superduty will be next.
Just a few weeks now until I take delivery of my 2021 F350 7.3 with 4.30 rear end. I will be towing my 17,000 lbs. "max weight" Rogue 4007 5th wheel toy hauler all over the states! Thanks to TFL Trucks for the videos that helped me make an educated decision!!
@@roninkraut6873 Not a chevy fan, I just hate aluminium cans with big engines that sound terrible. I loved the first gen Raptors, but I do not like these horrible sounding new engines that ford are making.
Thank you guys so much for posting the full footage, I love seeing this type of video. Would it be possible to show the down hill part as well in the future? I don’t mean to complain, I appreciate what you guys do.
Ordered an F-350 with 7.3L and 3.73 rear in early January to replace a 98.5 Dodge Diesel with 4.10 rear that pulls a 14K hay wagon. This video shows the new 7.3 can do the same job as the older diesels! Thanks so much!
Jason Reyes the entire us I’m pretty is that way. Texas is too. I’m pretty sure dealerships In the us aren’t legally allowed to make sales on Sunday’s.
Love these videos. It shows just what the truck is capable of doing. I am not a ford guy but the difference between the Chevy and Ford are undeniable. Hope to see the RAM with the 6.4L hemi and 8-speed soon.
Pretty impressive stuff! I'm a GM guy who recently got a rebel and is now considering this truck for my next service vehicle. I thought I wanted the new Chevy gas engine but now I'd take the Ford gas engine. The difference in power between the two is far too large, considering they're both all new engines. I had been waiting for these new gas engines as I didn't want or need another diesel because I also have a duramax.
Maybe not such anymore. I bought around 8 GM vehicles the last decade. I'm seeing some other brands give you more for the money. For my company, I look st power, payload, and economy if possible. The Chevy has a 6 speed, and Ford has a 10 speed. Really allows better usage of power.
I know there wasn't as much controversy here as there was with the Duramax vs. Powerstroke but I definitely appreciate these behind the scene videos. They give the ultra nerdy enthusiasts a chance to micro analyze, and stop people from speculating on weather the run was valid or not.
That 7.3L V8 is a beast of a motor. If I were looking at a 3/4 ton truck, this would definitely be my choice of motor because a diesel and its emission systems would not be happy with my less than 1000 miles/month driving average.
It was hunting for a little bit towards the beginning but looked like it finally settled on 4th for most of the way till right at the end it downshifted to 3rd...funny all those gears and it didn't even use 1/2 them LOL. Wonder what gear it would be in going up without a load though? Maybe 5th or 6th would be my guess.
@@wildbill23c I think Mr. Kent was all over the throttle, dont get me wrong it will shift a lot but he was wide open then 1/4 throttle then hard in it then back off, it was more him then the truck.
TFL, Fellas help me understand how you weren’t freaking out with a transmission temp of 234 degrees? The cooling system has wide open thermostats and possibly even electrical cooling fan assist at or near 220-222 degrees and yet the transmission is way above this. Does ford have any info on what normal operating range is when towing ?
Thank you for uploading the footage of the uphill run.So many people (myself included) are considering this powertrain and want to see how it did uphill with the 16K trailer. I can finally retire my old trusty 2001 GMC 2500HD 8.1 Allison ,as there is now a viable alternative....this is the first serious gas powertrain since they dropped the big 8.1 and Triton V10 in pickups . Mr Truck saying the 4.30 is why it only got 2.2 mpg , I definitely disagree, it got better MPG than the Chevy when you factor in time and output. The Ford did the same “work” as the Chevy 3 minutes faster,that is huge, it probably takes 25 percent more horsepower to do that. Rerun the Ike and part throttle to stay right next to the Chevy and you will see that the Ford is equal to or better on fuel. 4.30s improve towing mpg,they do not effect in town mpg and only hurt empty or lightly loaded highway mpg. The bigger effect on MPG than gears is the drivers habits and road speed,that truck has a big frontal area ,running 75 takes a lot of fuel isn’t going to make much difference with the 10 speed between 3.55 and 4.30s. Most ppl buying these trucks for personal use will install at least one size larger tires when the originals wear out. Those ppl should be choosing 4.30.... Great video, Ford officially trumped GM for gas durability as long as engine longevity is what it should be, with GM going to DFI on the HD trucks and dropping the 4.10 option they are slitting there own throats in the gas market...
Check those trans temps before you make the jump. Plus Ford's 10 speeds have a checkered history at this time. That 6.6L and 6L90 is going to give you perhaps a little better fuel economy and last about forever.
@@racerboi77j I'd like to see someone dig into that. However, it seems like more than half of the new Ford 10 speeds are plagued with issues, and I don't think I've seen a 10 speed in a GM application that wasn't fully praised. Which means there is more than basic mechanical architecture that drives whether a transmission is "good" or not.
Fun to see these unedited videos. Everyone who complained about the power numbers of this engine being underwhelming can put this in their pipe and smoke it. This engine in a Tremor package sure is tantalizing coming from my 6.7 19` 350 CCSB Platinum F350.
Awesome Job as per usual guys! I’m curious why didn't you use your Super Tremor 7.3 in this test? Seems like a could way to test it and get some miles on it ASAP to long term test it.
Same here. Have a 2016 3500 with the 6.4. Also curious if dodge has something else in the works to better compete. Kind of think the 8 speed was an oh shit moment we just got left behind by Ford and GM and need something quick. The 6.4 has been out since 2013 or 14 I believe. And it wasn't till Ford and GM both released new engines and transmissions that Dodge went and put the 8spd in theirs.
It still does. But probably give it a year and it will make it to the gas. Probably just trying to push the sales of the diesels for now. Just like they put the 3.0 duramax in the 1500, and now it's going into the Yukon/ Tahoe.
itruck2009 I’m from America where my freedoms come before your interests. Im all about patriotism but I can’t fault someone for exercising their 1st amendment right.
Wayda go Ford You finally got a Awesome Winner. Thank you for sharing that great video. To Ford - Thank you for re-designing the engine back to the good old push rod style the good old faithful lives again . The ten speed sure makes a heck of a difference instead of six speeds that dodge and GM use
Are you guys going to put together a video of the 7.3 gas compared to the diesel 6.7 for the guys trying to decide which one they want to buy? I switched from diesel to gas and I'm not disappointed in my 6.2. I love how much cheaper it is all around to own and I tow almost every weekend in the summer.
Both this and your prior 7.3 towing video are superb tests! It can be expected that when running uphill, Ford's 3+ minutes (11:53 - 8:42 = 3:11) faster time than the Chevy will result in a lower MPG. But, that difference might be nullified were they set to run the same time. A test for that would be to pull a more modest weight ( ~10,000 pounds?) where you expect all the tested trucks to ably sustain, say 55 or 60MPH, and measure their fuel efficiency (MPG). The Ford's torque might actually result in better MPG by allowing a lower RPM, and keeping the engine in a more optimal power band.. P.S. The 3.31 differential is fine on my Diesel F350. But, given that the gas engine has half the torque, I can't imagine 3.31 being a reasonable option on a gas engine, that is unless the gear ratios in the 10 speed differ depending on whether they're mated to Diesel or gas engines.
Haha. I’ve noticed that the hate has died down real quick after the first IKE video. I still see some complaints about how the engine sounds though... it’s pathetic that’s all they can do
I'm already a Ford fan and have been. The last 10 years eh haven't really got me excited as far as trucks(Dig the new 5.0)but this 7.3 is invigorating!
R AJ The 3.55 got 1 mpg less than the Chevy across the board towing and not . The 4.30 they stated got 1 mpg worse than the 3.55 so this is 2 mpg less than the Chevy
@@myers326 The final uphill MPG for the Chevy and the Ford was 2.4 and 2.2 respectively. It was 2/10s off. IMO, that's negligible and actually a better result than the 3.73 when the advantages of the 4.30 are accounted for.
@@ALMX5DP it would be quicker for sure but idk if it would be that much quicker. I think they should test the 6.2 ford vs the 6.6 and see if they are closer
@@michaelschneider530 That's my belief as well. The 6.6 is the base engine, so most apples to apples comparison would be against Ford's 6.2 like you said.
I predict there will be a lot of these on the road. Years ago I said I’d never buy 3/4 ton gas. But now the new diesels are so unreliable (all of them). And this truck is rated for more towing than my 7.3 diesel.
Not to mention expensive, and get worse fuel economy then there lower-powered ancestors. Literally the only reason to buy a diesel nowadays is if you have a CDL and use it for commercial use at a gcwr of over 26,000. If you're not making money for every mile that you put on your truck financially it is insane to purchase a diesel. People chimed in and claimed that they make the money back when they sell it. but that's simply not true a diesel truck is not worth 10k more than a gas truck with the same mileage. and the flip side of that is you also spend a lot more money on the maintenance during the time that you owned it, then you would with a gas truck, in order for it to break even you have to make that up too. To give you an idea of how insane this argument is: so you're saying that because I bought a platinum instead of an XLT my resale value in 10 years is double that of an XLT? Why not I spent twice as much on it. There's a market for diesels but it's not consumers, its CDL drivers and businesses who move over 20,000lbs. Everyone else is doing it because I want to be one of the cool kids. Being one of the cool kids has a cost it's about $15,000 over the time that you own it.
@@jonb2139 agreed, but a lot of small companies have to buy brand new for the tax advantage. And although you can get a three-year-old semi for the cost of one of these pickups a lot of times the brand new cost of a semi simply out of the reach of small business owners.
@@NuclearT3acup how? The number one argument I hear from people is that you make it up on the back end. Which you don't. if you're using resale to justify the additional purchase price it has to be a 1:1 ratio. spending extra money on a depreciating asset claiming that you're going to make the money back is asinine. Those same people claim that the higher trim levels resale at a premium. (Hence the argument) Diesels are going to come to the same fate that Z71 Silverados did back in 2000's. their resale values were awfully High, then when they started to not become cool anymore (gas shot up) and their resale values plummeted HARD. My neighbor got their Sierra Z71 with 45,000 miles on it for $6500. It was 4 years old, FULL dealer maintenance (even oil changes). Not a single scratch. Why? Because at the time in my city alone there was over 4,000 for sale. The fact of the matter is is diesel resells currently are extraordinary inflated versus what the vehicles are actually worth (life remaining without major repairs). everyone thinks that the diesel they're looking at going to make it to 600k miles. Explain to me how a vehicle which cost $35,000 in 1995 is selling for $20,000 with 375k miles on it? It isn't. Regardless of how well built that engine is that chassis is 25 years old. Insurance value on that same vehicle struggles to break $3,000.
Good job Ford on this engine! They finally saw the light and went back to pushrod cam in block. Look at that Miles to E reading going down fast, big blocks are thirsty!!!
Thank you for showing the trans temp. It would be really nice if you guys could record the trans, coolant, and (if available) oil temps at the top of the climb or close to it. These are the numbers that matter to guys that tow heavy. I personally couldn't care less about the fuel economy while pulling a pass. But thats just me.
I own a 2019 F250 6.2 with a six speed. After towing our 30' 5th wheel in Colorado last summer, I REALLY wish it had a 10 speed. I would often have to chug up grades in 2nd because the jump to 3rd was too big. Having the closer ratios of the 10 speed would help me keep it in the HP sweet spot. Besides that, the truck is solid. Like others have said, I would like to see a head to head of the 6.2 vs the 7.3.
A proper big gasser to replace the 6.8 v10 from the early 2000s. I remember when that was the common man's alternative to the 7.3 and 6.0 powerstrokes. Had tons of power, even at highway speeds, just was a massive gas guzzler and suffered from the same spark plug issues of all the tritons.
Great information. Next time I need a heavier truck, probably that one. I will not tow anything over 8-9000 lbs.....but do not care for the extra maintenance on the diesels. Thanks, enjoyed the review.:
I really wish you guys would do an experiment for us. Take the same combination, any truck & trailer combo and do a run up the IKE like you normally do, then do another run using the manual shift option to see if the truck performs better.
Help me TFL I have a 2021 f250 tremor I use the tow haul mode, I hit the breaks coming down hill and it shifts way down putting my RPM's through the roof. How does the tow hall work I pull a 40' 5th wheel . Do you tap the brakes once to down shift or what
10:45 just like Mr Truck said, with a 4.30 you can't expect great mileage. So when people are talking out of their ass about Tundra mileage, know that they have come STANDARD with a ,4.30 since 2007. It's some new thing it sounds like for ford lol
Would the 7.3 be a good buy for a 11,000 travel trailer or 6.7 diesel? We pull the trailer a lot in the mountain ranges? I was thinking about saving a little money on the truck if it’s worth it.
A commercial vehicle is going to put on a LOT of miles. You can completely rebuild this gas engine cheaper than replacing a few injectors on a diesel. Gas is cheaper than diesel and no def fluid. I'd seriously look at a 250, 350, or 450 with the 7.3 gasser with a 10 speed and 4.30 rearend gears.
It just shows how disconnected gm is from their customer base. Look at the design of the truck.....and look and the lack of hearing options for a heavy duty truck. Piss poor. These trucks are bough to tow and work....not get fuel mileage. Slap a 4.56 gear in a 6 speed Auto gm and it will do fine with better trans programming.
@@LightningRich00 10sp & 4.1 gears, probably run w the ford & get as good or better mpg. W 4.30 gear faster ? 6.6 faster rpm engine. Better internal balancing.
R AJ -Check out their video of the F250 XL, two wheel drive, with 3.73 pulling 11,400 lbs. up the Ike. 8 minutes, 40 seconds or so. Destroyed the Ram with 4:10 by 4 1/2 minutes.
Actually sound regulations affect motorcycle companies as well, they make them quieter every year. The loud ones you hear are aftermarket pipes just like you can do aftermarket exhaust on a truck. Thanks to VW with the scandal a few years back everyone across all markets are feeling pressure from the EPA.
That will be the day! I can understand some minor emissions control on internal combustion engines. But why do we have to be forced to adhere and follow such strict rules when other countries (China), do what they want and have the highest pollution in the world every year consecutively.
@@daddydiesel5889 Because most Americans don't want to live in a cloud of smog, maybe??? Should we deal with acid rain and tens of thousands of deaths every year as a result of respiratory disease, just because people want to drive useless diesels around?
PistonAvatarGuy well seeing is how emissions from combustion engines (vehicles on the road) is less than 3% of total pollution, I say we keep up the pollution control in the manufacturing industries like we have been for decades and relax on vehicle emissions a bit, they are not the problem. In fact making a electric vehicle in most cases is more harmful to the environment, due to the work that goes into making the giant batteries with rare precious earth metals that cannot be replenished. Not to mention the battery has a 5-10 year life span and cannot be recycled properly when it’s service life has been reached. Oh and most people homes/charging stations are not powered by renewable energy so to charge a car it takes fossil fuel anyway. I would not worry about acid rain on regular basis in the states, spend your time worrying about more important things like who you are aiming that keyboard at. God bless America!
Holy cow, Godzilla just smashed that hill flat! It ran an 8:42, and they had to slow down before reaching their normal finish line. Otherwise, the time would have been even better. The transmission did its job of keeping the engine between peak torque and peak power. I really like how it downshifted at the end of the run, and the engine picked up from ~4000 rpm to ~4600 rpm. That's the beauty of the 10-speed's close ratios. Now if you can post the unedited video of the GM run, so we can see why it performed poorly......
I have a 2020 crew cab long bed. Its a beast. Obviously it cant compare to the diesel, but the powerstroke is over 10K more. Thev7.3 is more than capable.
