Behringer Model D...I was WRONG (Behringer Model D vs Moog)

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All music created on Behringer Model D by me
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Alright, in a previous episode of Thoughts On I spoke about my experience with Moog synthesizers, and my experience with Behringer, both as a company, their failings and what's in a name. I will gladly state that in the short term I WAS WRONG. The Behringer Model D is a quality piece, Behringer has come a very very long way. While there are some who still will buy a genuine Moog, and not a Behringer I realize that the difference on the surface is something a company attempting to make a clone can be proud of.
This is purely a second look at an inanimate piece of hardware. IF YOU PLAN TO ARGUE THE ETHICS OF BEHRINGER OR YOU HAVE TRIBALISM...WELL...that’s not what this is about, this is correcting my own poor preconceived notion.
I don't like to present myself as someone who knows it all, I'm a musician just like you all. This is why I end all Thoughts On videos by saying "I don't have these answers". My way of saying, make up your own minds. THAT SAID, if in anyway I came across as someone who poo-poo'd Behringers recreation I WAS WRONG. Most people don't understand subjective opinion, and while that's what this channel is about, I realize that the way in which I say things can be misinterpreted for fact, and that's where I'd like to state I made a mistake.
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@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

I’m not afraid to say when what I’ve said may be easily misinterpreted. Don’t assume intent, no one can read minds. That’s why at the end of every Thoughts On video I say “I don’t have these answers”, which means make up your own mind. Choose what you like, there’s no right or wrong answer, if you think there is remember, experiences are subjective. 🤗

@humanbeing_ 4 года назад

I just purchased my Behringer Model D yesterday. My very first piece of gear and my first Analogue Synth! Now I’ve been producing Drum & Bass for 17 years but only got into Analogue Synths within the last year and it’s reinvigorated my drive to make music. Next looking to get the Neutron, MS-1, and then a Grandmother! Great video!

@behringer 5 лет назад

We love Bob Moog, and we love seeing young synthesists getting an opportunity they otherwise would never have had to own some of the best synths ever created. :)

@CameronClarkeOG 5 лет назад

this young synthesist would sure love to own a prophet 5 hint hint :):):):):):)

@josephvanellenberg749 5 лет назад

Have a your Model D, it is an amazing piece of kit. Let’s get those Eurorack modules going!

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Hi Behringer, thanks for stopping by. Hopefully a very affordable Eurorack case is on the way, that would be very helpful to get many beginners started on their Eurorack journey. Thank you :)

@MannequinOngaku 5 лет назад

BEHRINGER you guys are killing it! I own the behringer model d and i absolutely love it. Can’t wait for the 909

@djcvmusic1 5 лет назад

Hope a Vsti software integration and presets manager for it like an access virus

@nasound2473 5 лет назад

Politicians could learn a lot from this video

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Well, admitting you’re wrong is healthy right? 😊

@nasound2473 5 лет назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie 100%

@NoirEtBlancVie 4 года назад

9teen8efore you’re not wrong, I’m in no way perfect and truly when I made that first video I didn’t do a good job in stating that I was a subjective opinion for a biased person. I took that original video to the point of making politically based statements and I apologize. That was not my aim, I needed to make this video to clearly state that I’m just a guy who doesn’t know best. Mistakes happen, I admit mine. I’m sorry if that original video misled or judged without stating where I stood.

@dantedt3931 3 года назад

Underrated comment

@TheMirolab 3 года назад

It's too bad politicians don't learn.......

@sidneybarrett8941 2 года назад

I bought my MiniMoog in 1974 - I've had it recapped twice, still use it, and will never let it go. That said, I am forced to admit that no one in the audience can tell the difference between the original and my Behringer Model D. Add a little FX, and no one can tell them apart on a recording either.

@NoirEtBlancVie 2 года назад

100% true! The day someone that isn’t a heavy synth person says, “that sounds like a genuine Moog right there” I’ll eat my hat 🧢😁

@DarthKross 5 месяцев назад

Effects like what? I'm getting my hands on one to play/record on and I've been wondering what to do to accomplish that

@sidneybarrett8941 5 месяцев назад

A generous dollop of reverb, maybe a little echo (especially for solos.) Even an analog synth sounds a little artificial dry.

@producedbymirakle 4 месяца назад

@@DarthKrossChorus makes EVERY synth sound better, phatter and more warm! Also delay, reverb, and also phasers are good to experiment with.

@DarthKross 4 месяца назад

@@producedbymirakle Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to try those out

@johnkennedy5612 5 лет назад

I love this. It takes a lot to come back to one of your own videos and admit you were wrong. Most others would have just quietly deleted and moved on. Huge respect man.

@DEADLINETV 5 лет назад

Great of you for coming back on this! More honesty like this would be great on the interwebs!

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thanks man, glad to see you here. It was a weird one.

@DEADLINETV 5 лет назад

You just keep on doing what you do! @@NoirEtBlancVie

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

@sampleexamplemusic 5 лет назад

ugh i'm tired of the hashing out. affordable analog synths kills elitism that poisons an otherwise wonderful community, and makes music accessible to everyone, so lets just stop this argument for good, please.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

I agree, let people buy what they want to buy without the judgement. If anyone gets upset cause you buy one over the other it’s their problem, right? Just make music with the tools you enjoy regardless of how much it cost or the name on the rear panel :)

@Francisco12G 5 лет назад

This comment should be on top! the truth right here. People get stuck in this. You cannot buy talent. Its not the tools its the carpenter!

@XanderEwald 5 лет назад

Serum is like 10 bucks a month, so everyone can make music if they want to. I don’t see any elitism here.

@jumpingman8160 5 лет назад

@@XanderEwald Why am I not surprised finding you here? Have you sold your Roland yet 🤣

@brmbkl 5 лет назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie moog has affordable synths, and there is the secondhand pages. cheap crap contributes to a non-sustainable future. but who cares what anyone does? yay - individualism!

@Hordes_Of_Nebulah 4 года назад

Got my model D today and I am very impressed, definitely holds up against a Moog. I don't actually own a Moog but my office is right down the street from their headquarters and I grew up in the area so I've had plenty of playtime with the demos there and I can say I am familiar enough with their sounds to say with confidence that Behringer is on to something great with this! I'm getting the Neutron next because it looks awesome.

@homeworldmusic 5 лет назад

Man, this is an impeccable review. I wish you all the best, thank you for this.

@riseofthemachine2623 5 лет назад

Very well said! I am a proud owner of both the Behringer D and the Minimoog Model D. I'm so happy to know that the Minimoog sound is available to almost everyone now :)

@FishfaceFP 5 лет назад

Takes a big man to admit they were wrong, reeeeeeeespec'👊

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you. I’m not too big to speak the truth haha

@FishfaceFP 5 лет назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie what confuses me is that people are always down on Behringer for "copying" historical circuits but when people design a eu module based on a similar circuit it is accepted without batting an eyelid. To me seems Behringer are making enourmous efforts in synths and the Neutron and Crave are very much their own. For sure the history / image hasn't got the kudos of sequential, roland, moog et al but at least they are doing something to give consumers and enthusiasts an affordable way in to music and that has to be applauded.

@flootymcdootymanooty9145 5 лет назад

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

@jefdamen2977 5 лет назад

Damn Namm is making me crave a new rave machine!

@SvintMvrcus 5 лет назад

Agreed 🙏🏽

@joevittali-ross1871 5 лет назад

Really good to see a retrospective review. This is well thought out, and an important aspect to gear use.

@infindebula 4 года назад

If Moog had brought out a Model D in this form factor (i.e. Mother-32 style skiff) for under $1000, I would have purchased it instead of the Boog. Instead their reissue was a premium, luxury monosynth that was priced out of reach of most people. Its primary competition was Voyagers and vintage Minimoogs. You could literally buy 10 Behringer Model D synths for the price of Moog’s reissue. So I bought a Boog on impulse and was very pleasantly surprised with its quality and amazing sound - so much so that I went on to get a Neutron, Pro-1, RD-8 and a VC340. Now I’m eyeballing The Cat and their modular stuff, and I’m excited about their future products. Moog’s failure to compete in this segment cost them a lot of potential profit, and allowed Behringer to gain momentum with their synth clones.

@MisterRorschach90 2 года назад

Moog doesn’t survive on selling to people like us. They survive on selling to people who own Grammys, who own recording studios worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It’s the whole boutique aesthetic. Like the dumble amp. I can go buy a clone that sounds 99.99999999999% the same for a couple hundred dollars. Or I can spend 250-500k on the real thing. People like us buy the clones. People with platinum albums either made or produced buy the reissues, and really only if they don’t want to deal with upkeep on a vintage unit, or no vintage units are available. Basically moog reissue isn’t meant for us. They aren’t losing profit. If they sold cheap versions of the reissues that’s how they would lose profit. The parts are extremely expensive, and a lot of the times not even in production anymore. If you could buy a real moog system 10 for a normal price 1-4k like other synths, then it would destroy the market they’ve created for reissues and vintage moog. Not only that it wouldn’t be the same synth, and that would hurt their reputation to sell a synth that is supposed to be a recreation of something everybody loves, and it isn’t actually a recreation. Studios and musicians wouldn’t buy the new versions, only vintage. It’s just a bad situation all around. Though I will admit, I’m no expert and I might be wrong.

@jacobbrown1690 2 года назад

Moog isn’t hurting lol. The boog has some issues. The boog poly d is way better. But I have two little phatties so I really don’t need more moog types with no presets. I did buy a deepmind 12. Then an asm hydrasynth

@logicalblackman8228 2 года назад

That wasn’t the point. Moog already made the Little Phatty and Slim Phatty for even cheaper.

@infindebula 2 года назад

@@logicalblackman8228 even cheaper than what? Those Moogs were more than double the price of the Behringer D.

@logicalblackman8228 2 года назад

@@jacobbrown1690 If you want presets, Moogs aren’t for you.

@surrealchemist 3 года назад

"is the Behringer model a steal" this line has more meaning now. hah

@NoirEtBlancVie 3 года назад

I want to reply to this comment in a funny way, but I don’t want to get sued.😬

@marcokarpowitsch3726 3 года назад

Wasn't expecting this almost choked on my cornflakes 11/10

@ultralife73 3 года назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie Fear is an excellent advisor.

@Riktenstein 5 лет назад

Well said. I've been in this game for 20 years and I never would have said in 2019, Behringer are going to start really nailing it.

@johnh.8055 5 лет назад

Wow. Excellent channel. Such a concise and well spoken presenter. You have my subscription.

@ssmith2019 5 лет назад

Great Vid Noir ! ! ! I always appreciate your content !

@NONFamers 5 лет назад

I do have a couple of Moog synthesizers, and I am contemplating buying a third one soon. I also have a Model D and appreciate the fact that even if it is subtly different from the Moog synths, it does speak the same language. If I think of a particular sound I want, I can receate it on either of them. BTW, Behringer build quality wasn't always that great. I had a stereo compressor with a poorly mounted mains transformer - Its casing emitted an annoying, audible hum which I only discovered when I converted my studio to balanced signal lines. I thought it was something in the signal chain. Thanks for sharing.

@RunFaster011 5 лет назад

After NAMM this year it's clear that Behringer has been set to take the Synth world by storm. It's a great time to be a Synthesizer fan, the coming years are going to be fun, as I'm sure Behringer's recent releases will spur come more awesome & innovative products to be developed the other big synth companies.

@josephlepkowski2383 5 лет назад

Glad your changed your thoughts on the D. It was almost unbelievable they really pulled it off or the build quality till your in front of one. Following my first Behringer synth I got the Neutron and its just as amazing. I look forward to and trust lots of new Behringer gear these days like the RD808 , Pro 1, Crave, and the CAT and Wasp further down the line.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Totally agree, I was like, wait, this thing is really built well...I was surprised, I wanted to make sure I made this video even though someone will hate me for not saying Moog is always the best and nothing can be better than a Moog. Not even Moog would probably say that, people who make music just worry about making music.

@McSynth 4 года назад

Excellent video. I've owned a 1972 Mini since 1978. I wouldn't dare gig it now - too fragile. I've also just bought a Behringer Model D. I'm still stunned by the concept and the delivery, and I won't even comment on the sound of the machine other than to say that I can't tell the difference. What I can do however, is now take my 'Moog' back out for gigging purposes without having to have paramedics and a hairdryer on standby. Best wishes to all at Moog - but I reserve the right to embrace Behringer kit on the basis that they're not just imitating, but they're adding to the legacy. Very generously. How about that Model T Ford ? Folks tell me that there's a Model T with fancy braking, weatherproofing - and some gadget that tells you how to get where you want to go. Fuck me..and some flashing lights for when you want to round a corner ???? Oh Henry, I so hope that you're not offended by the passage of time, and the exponential march of tech progress.... Uli..word fail me. Ignore the naysayers. thank you.

@Emustall 5 лет назад

It takes a big man. That did sound really good and make me more curious. I'm used to the questionable Behringer quality so... well done, Sir.

@HzofArt 5 лет назад

Thanks for the honesty homie

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Absolutely, my pleasure!

@seangarland 5 лет назад

Love the video, and your channel. I’ve gotten away from Hardware synths, but it’s good to know your thoughts on this synth if I ever go back.

@farty555 5 лет назад

Very well written. Subbed for sure. Interesting take on such a legendary synth

@marvelous-1960 4 года назад

why am i just finding this channel?! this is good content!

@buddikus 3 года назад

I just asked myself the same question

@bca5251 5 лет назад

Awesome follow up. Always appreciate your point of view and how you state it.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you, I appreciate you saying this!

@jordyhoutman2654 5 лет назад

I remember the video. And I was like: *shrug*, all their own opinion. I love my Behringer D. Their new Crave sounds actually really good too, and its yet their cheapest quality. Talking about build quality, Behringer D sometimes feel a little flimsy, but it feels like its to keep tolerant and easy to change. I am really curious how you will rate the new VP-330 clone. Since you weren't impressed with the VP-03 boutique version. Looking forward to that review and hear some good vocoder action. By the way, not judging if people like clones or not, but when easier in reach regards to money or availability (vp-330 is hard to find), is really nice. Final note; I think that Behringer did well going into synthesizers. Regardless of clones, their own creativity, I think they do a great job.

@edrosa3485 5 лет назад

Honestly as a Behringer Model D owner I thought your original video was very measured. In the very few years I've been into synths I know the Moog name well, but mostly out of my financial reach. Your right that at present the name Behringer carries no value, but they are working hard to change that. Looking at the NAAM 2019 coverage I've clicked on most of the videos with Behringer in the title.

@stevenlebeau 5 лет назад

Totally agree with the sentiment of the video. Also, it's worth noting that some of the best synthpop of the 80s was made with what were, at the time, VERY cheap synths. If this leads some people with less income--some future synth genius--to get access to this kind of gear, I think that's fantastic. You can create just as great of a song with a Model D as you can with a Minimoog...

@vinnien 5 лет назад

Great video, like all your videos. I love my model D and Neutron. Can't wait for the Crave and MS 101.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

I’m interested in looking at the crave, they’re mass producing the puppies!

@biggrime 4 года назад

Great video. Appreciate you taking the time

@ImaginationBlue Год назад

Your videos are so cool brother. Love the visual style. Great presentation too.

@chriswoolf1491 5 лет назад

Great explanation of why you believed what you did at the time and why you now believe those thoughts were wrong. 10/10 would watch you correct yourself again.

@lundsweden 3 года назад

I have and love the Model D, always wanted a Minimoog, but by the time I came of age were very rare and expensive (music gear has always been more expensive in Australia, for some reason, especially 2nd hand unit). I admire the Moog company, its history quality and innovation. For hobbyist musician, a several thousand dollar synth just does not make sense. Maybe if I became wealthy, or if I was a pro musician I would buy a Moog in a heartbeat. Remember that a lot of budget gear in the past became classic, like the Juno 106, Oberheim Matrix 1000, Roland 303, 626 even stuff like the Korg Poly 800. Some people laughed back then, but who's laughing now? Of course some mega expensive stuff from back in the day also became classic gear, from the Roland Jupiter, Moog Multimoog, hell even the Yamaha DX7 and Roland D50 were pretty pricey when new!

@grandmasterjo1 5 лет назад

Saying I’m wrong only enhances self esteem. 👍 Being a Moog user and having the highest regards and respect for a genius and a gentleman Dr. Bob Moog, I asked Moog for permission if I could buy the Behringer Model D. The reply, it does not matter what you use to make great music. Wow

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Exactly. I was talking with Dave Smith at NAMM and I think most people think that the creators of the originals are upset about these so called “attack of the clones” but honestly they just want people to enjoy their instruments. Funny how the users in the comments care more about this than the people who originated these designs, right? Thanks for this :)

@jefdamen2977 5 лет назад

It's a great move from Behringer, since the industry is kinda fucked, prices need to come down to give young people easier access to technology which is also fun and very learnfull. It stimulates the mind on another level, u gain important deduction, logical skills and basic computer techniques which can give u the edge when u learn them from young age. Music forms your mind and increases self identity because u can create something that is you. Stay humble and open is the best way to go the furthest in life.

@grandmasterjo1 5 лет назад

Jef Damen 👍👍👍. Behringer actually gives you the best value for $. And the range just keeps increasing.

@MisAnnThorpe 5 лет назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie : In my experience, synthesizer enthusiasts are some of the biggest snobs you're ever likely to have the misfortune of encountering. Many of them seem to find it more important to be seen to have the "right" instruments rather than be heard to make the right noises/sounds. Korg Polysix, MS10, ARP Avatar, Axxe, "ARP" (Korg) Odyssey, Moog Multimoog, Roland SH-1, Teisco 60f..................

@higgy7762 5 лет назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie The creators of the originals are quite smart ... the 'entry level clones' create future customers for their high value synths. A young student who was able to start on a 'budget' clone may eventually develop the desire to get the 'real thing' one day...

@MrBasic 5 лет назад

Cool! Glad to see your Patreon is up and running! 😃

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Riiiiight, we will see how it goes over I guess haha

@smartwerker 3 года назад

I support Moog and Sequential. US companies

@gesslr 5 лет назад

Nice video. And it's great that you can admit to (drum roll) ... HAVING AN OPEN MIND! Fantastic dude. Good on ya. (Really love the channel too.)

@VJFranzK 5 лет назад

What you say about Moog is true, and the new Berhringers are such a good value for the price. (I got to video some of the new ones recently! and was impressed.) Both POV's can coexist.

@Deeplycloseted435 5 лет назад

I’m not a Moog guy....never have been. I’ve always preferred the sounds of SH-2, Pro One, or especially the Arp Odyssey. I have all three. BUT, I did get a Behringer D, and must admit, that it can sound fantastic, and rounds out my mono analog collection quite nicely. For people like me, who love analog, but aren’t in love with buying a $3000 Moog, its a great synth to have on hand. I love the HI/LO outputs so you can run it straight into guitar pedals without impedance mismatch. The tiny knobs and resolution of those knobs aren’t great, but for my uses, it works well. And I LOVE, that a kid can get an amazing sounding analog synth for Xmas or a birthday present. Its such a good thing for synth heads and electronic music in general, making the instruments accessible to future generations. Good on you for admitting you were wrong. As far as how long these will last, only time will tell, but as far as sound goes, they keep nailing it.

@SidJ8300 3 года назад

I agree with you. I read so many comments where Moog owners tend to throw Behringer out of the window. There is no denying the fact that original Moog is a class apart but the point here is making it affordable and providing majority of the flavour at one-tenth of the price .. 😊😊

@float_sam 5 лет назад

I got a UHD, and I have to say great interface for its price feature set, zero problems and absolute quality feel for a USB interface. Behringer has been knocking out the park on the BUDGET/Home Studio level.

@thedeepblueskys 5 лет назад

I just went up to Guitar Center near my house to see what they had on display, and they had one of these on sale for $250. I was so pleased to see the price even though I really don’t want one. I have a grandmother, dfam, and mother 32 setup that satisfies my mono itch, but if I didn’t have this Moog set up I’d be all over the Behringer Model D for the price. Deepmind 12R has my attention still. Really looking forward to what Behringer comes up with In years to come. Like there 808, 909 clones. I want more polys by them though. I agree build needs to be focused on. Over all Behringer has a foot in the door. Model D clone is not bad at all! My ramble is over...lol

@jippalippa 3 года назад

Can a mother 32 or a grandmother, in your experience, do let’s say...80% of what a boog does in emulating a minimoog? I have started to appreictae finer things in life, so I’m aiming at a better quality piece of kit (in this case an original moog), with a bit more prestige. My budget can afford me a grandmother + decent reverb or a mother 32 + decent reverb + decent delay + midi keyboard. I’m mostly interested in making berlin school style of music (like oldschool Tangerine Dream).

@thedeepblueskys 3 года назад

jippalippa I think a mother 32 or Grandmother both can accomplish most of your bass and lead needs. There really fun and worth the extra investment for sure. I can’t wait to get the Matriarch to complete my setup. The DFAM is super fun too.

@graxjpg 4 года назад

I feel pretty differently about my impression of behringer over the years. As a company they’ve always had bang for the buck, build quality has always been good enough if you take care of it (plastic pedals too, for years and years.). I’m a guitar player, but my hardware synth setup consists of a DM12 and a Model D, with a keystep and a keylab. Great video!

@chrisfriedman9455 4 года назад

Went through two mx9000's. Mixers blew...

@brettmarshalltweaksource 5 лет назад

Respect! I completely agree with your position. Behringer is making, in their words, "modern iterations" of classic gear. They add functionality and usability at a low price point. Moog isn't losing a sale if I buy a Behringer D. I was never going to buy the Moog anyway.

@pigknickers2975 2 года назад

Excellent video. I've got Moog and Behringer. This is a great time for us I think. The 303MO slays me.

@jaybeetdown 3 года назад

The background music is undefeated, so I just subbed!

@dennisristow2102 2 года назад

Kudos to you for positng a video like this. People take these things far too seriously and personally. I have Moog gear and Behringer gear. A Minitaur for bass, a Model D for thick leads, and a Sub Phatty for that hard Sync sound. Right tool for the job IMHO. Also glad to hear opinions from players that perform live and not just gear heads. I've played more shows than I can count, but I'm in my mid 50's now so I'm more interested in diving into sound scapes, than a couple do-everthing poly synths that can change sounds on the fly from piano, to organ, to strings, to pulse width and saw tooth leads. I've always had a couple old school analogs (Moog Prodigy/SCI P5 rev 3.3) but I never toured with them. They're too valuble, and they don't hold tune as well as a Korg Wavestation or a Kuzweil K2000, LOL. I'm new to Behringer so I don't have a background of their dodgy history regarding quality, but these new synths seem as good as my old Moog Prodigy, probably even better build quality to the Prodigy with low cost switches and very flimsy pots. I have a Model D, two Neutrons, and just got a Pro-1. Setting them on four midi channels, and hooking them up to my Roli Seaboard and I have my own poor mans four-voice where each key can pitch bend independently. It's a blast :) Thanks to Behringer for making something like this both possible and affordable.

@cuttingedge1987 5 лет назад

Again a very good and powerful video...you're great not just in music but in philosophy...

@squarewavesound1053 5 лет назад

Your vids are so on point! Respect

@kaminokai 5 лет назад

Kudos, I appreciate your take, and I agree with you. I have the Behringer Model D and it sounds great. I also have a Moog Voyager. I use them together.

@hudu 5 лет назад

Very cool to publicly own up to a "mistake" like that. Respect. I do love that Moog is employee-owned, and if I could afford one, that would be a big part of my decision making process for buying one. Until then, I really like my Model D.

@DonSolaris 5 лет назад

Supp bro? Dope vid, bro!

@denmartos6019 5 лет назад

It takes allot for a person too admit that they are wrong. But, to do it with a positive attitude without putting down either companies is truly commendable. As always, great job.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you Den, I tried to do my best, picking sides when it comes to something like a synth, I just don’t see the point :)

@connormoroney1305 4 года назад

I can add an explanation of how they got it smaller than the original. 40 years later, components have shrunk and tolerances have gotten smaller, making it easier to make such a device.

@matiasmoulin2126 4 года назад

I'm coming from the guitar world, which surely is a much bigger industry and may work differently, but it's always been far less elitist. Take as best example the Fender Stratocaster which has been copied and cloned by so many manufacturers since it's invention. Fender themselves still exist and produce their original high end guitars (made in USA) as well as mid range and also low end models (made in Mexico or Indonesia) and amps and whatnot since the 90s or earlier and nobody ever cared as far as I know. The usual approach as a kid with no money was to buy a 300$ copy, because it was more important to actually own a guitar and to rock out than having a 3000$ peace of gear. Later when the jobs and the money came we got dissatisfied with the copy and bought the real deal (which by the way is still kind of midrange because same here: only rich people can afford the "real" vintage models). My point is: copies make the gear affordable for musicians who want to play but that doesn't mean that the high end products will disappear because there are always people who are willing to pay more for better quality and, well, prestige. But I know of no RU-vid video where people discussing if the 300$ Stratocaster sounds exactly the same like the 10'000$ vintage original (the guitar problems are of a different kind). The world is changing, the market is changing and clever companies like Behringer take the opportunity. Other companies like Korg or Roland do something about that but in my opinion, they kind of miss the point - or they don't really care, like Korg recreating the elitist version of the ARP2600 instead of a mini version, meanwhile Behringer listens to that call, what can we say here... I think this all would be less fuss if more companies did it like Fender: produce their own cheap copies.

@wigglwrrm 5 лет назад

Very nicely and respectfully said. Great video, sir.

@4theyehiphop 5 лет назад

i aspire to own a jacket like that blue one... very informal video, dope!

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Haha, I never wear it anymore. It’s yours ;)

@solaariz 4 года назад

Never really got the whole “clone” controversy. Companies like Arturia have been doing software emulations of famous synths for years. It’s like the fact that Behringer made hardware clones people got bent out of shape. These things are incredible, just got my Pro 1 today my Model D & Neutron are incredible also. Waiting for that 2600 and hopefully one day a Quadra .

@AttilaSVK 3 года назад

I'm not a professional musician to be able to invest loads of money into gear. I wish I could, but honestly, the only Moog product I could afford at the moment is the Werkstatt-01 and I might buy one just to support Moog Music, as they do deserve it. The Behringer Model D has allowed me to take home the iconic sound of a Minimoog I've been wanting since 2005 or so, when I tried one in a music instrument shop. Also, the difference in price between "Synth XYZ" and its Behringer clone is enough for me to buy the Behringer one, maybe except for the Swing vs the Arturia Keystep.

@Broyale26 5 лет назад

Great video, man! Could you please do a review of the Noir Et Blanc Vie?

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Review of NoirEtBlancVie lol: he is a jokester, who knows nothing about nothing. His hairstyle sucks and he is dumb and his opinions are stupid. His videos look cool, but overall he is boring and should do more “no talking” videos cause those are better than anything he does. Especially because opinions can be made with zero subjective input from his big mouth. Noir also has ugly clothes and is was more annoying than BoBeats haha. 😁

@iSapien1956672 5 лет назад

I passed up the opportunity in 1998 to buy a Minimiog at second hand tunes for $600, so when this came Out I jumped and am super happy with it.

@lithominium9955 Год назад

Sad story with a happy ending

@SiMills 5 лет назад

I got a Behringer Uphoria 404 audio interface for a gig last year and I got to say, for £85 it’s amazing build quality, sound quality and reliability. I use it for a second setup daily.

@SisterRose 3 года назад

For someone on a severe budget looking to throw in some Moog/Ladder Filter tones, would you recommend this or syncing up the Crave with another synth run through it's filter? The portable size of the Crave is appealing, though if we could get a Volca form factor with a ladder filter that'd be amazing. I got kind of obsessed with some old Mort Garson sounds and realised a lot of the tones he uses are actually very simple given they were mostly done on modular Moogs, I've definitely heard similar ones in demos for other ladder filter synths.

@NoirEtBlancVie 3 года назад

Why not just go with the Crave as-is? Like it’s a good sounding synth all by itself, I’ll be honest, the less the better in my world. Don’t get too fancy with it, Moog is honestly missing out the most by not just making a damn official Moog Eurorack module. Like, we all know I’m a Moog fan, but sometimes they create a world where it feels like they’re forcing you into buying a whole Mother 32 just to get the filter you want. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@SisterRose 3 года назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie yeah they really let berhginer slide in that niche with the Boog. I saw Jade Wii's vid on it. Given how expensive most eurorack stuff is it's a no brainer in that case. Moog's "modular" stuff tends to be mind of weird.

@fabien4436 5 лет назад

Your videos are awesome, too bad there are few RU-vidrs like you

@shane_l8085 5 лет назад

I've never owned any Beringer products but I'll be quite interested in their EMS Synthi clone (if that rumour is correct)

@johncougar526 5 лет назад

You are forgiven for your assumptions about build quality on Uli’s gear. I, for one, have quite a few of his earlier gadgets, and have seen the downside of some of their sketchy QC, having had some units fail. But this synth gear they’re making is something else, and I’m keen to keep exploring both Behringer AND Moog for their 21st Century offerings based on late 20th Century technology. Inspired design. Great sound.

@pizzagogo6151 5 лет назад

Same as everyone else has said, well done in having the integrity to evaluate a synth on its merits and appropriately change your view. I 100% agree with you moog comments as well- I’m sort of behringers target market I would love to have a classic synth but I’m just not in a position to justify the moog premium. It’s great some musicians can afford to support moog as a company, but it’s also great behringer are using modern manufacturing to allow people like me to have access to instruments that would be unobtainable otherwise.

@IMNfilms 5 лет назад

Good video. Big points for honesty and an evolving point of view. One comment - I liked what you pointed out about the Moog being handmade in the US. However, shortly thereafter you say (paraphrased) that the price of a Moog and its resale value are tied to the name, Moog, and not the components. I'm not sure you meant it the way I heard it. True, the name Moog is part of it, but it's more about what you said about them being made by hand. That's important, and it's what makes the name Moog valuable. As an example, there's extra value in a Fender Stratocaster based on where it was made. It speaks to the build quality, not just the components. I think you meant to say this, but it came out ambiguous. Good channel. Thanks for reading.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you Bob, you’re definitely right, I should have pointed out the Fender point you made, very smart!

@judclark7376 4 года назад

Behringer got top notch analog engineers when they acquired Midas so you could say they really have been at the analog game for a long time.

@seancraig5373 5 лет назад

Well done--very impressed. Takes a lot of guts to admit you're wrong in these sort of videos. I agree totally about the synths from MOOG also! As always-very intelligent, well stated videos make yours among the very, very best

@ethermod307 5 лет назад

Hey man, this was a truly honest video and i appreciate it. It made me feel I'm not the only one thinking that way. An instrument is an instrument, not a prize. It's up to use to make sing or hang it as a trophy on a wall. It's also time we start thinking of the implications of our actions and purchases. Buying Moog means you care. But if you cannot afford it, that's ok too. Buy a Behringer Model D and make it sing, cause good music is good for the world. The real dilemma is different though: buy a Behringer Model D for 300$ or a 2nd-hand Moog Mother-32 for 150$ more?

@robertsyrett1992 5 лет назад

Woah woah woah! This is way too nuanced! Good work ;)

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you Robert, I realized that I made a video that was rightly disliked due to my tone. I can admit my bads haha

@dhollsynthmusic 5 лет назад

I have a Behringer Model D and have played a Minimoog: the real deal is deffo a bit fatter, has more presence. But not 10 times your budget more, so I was quite happy with spending the relatively small money for the almost-there Boog. And I also got the Neutron haha - personally I wasn't too taken with the DeepMind, I felt it relied on saturated-FX too much, but Behringer's monosynths are very good indeed. Recommended. Well done, Behringer, and nice one Noir for the video.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@Goettel 5 лет назад

Elitist synth folk rarely if ever make anything worth listening to anyway, screw 'em. Behringer is golden, and has been since at least the MX2642 back in the day. I'll take the Neutron over the Model D any day, but both are remarkable pieces of gear for chump change.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

You’re not wrong, the point of this video was to hopefully stop this back and forth. As I stated, wanting something expensive doesn’t make you an elitist, and wanting something cheap doesn’t make you a cheapskate, or someone who doesn’t care for quality. It’s simply a choice, and I’m not polarized in anyway. I realize people can make two opposite decisions and still love synthesis. Comments on the 1st video were so unfortunate. People criticizing one another for their choice of synth. Just make music with whatever the tool, all these instruments have different features, pic the one with the features you like and that you can afford. That’s all I wanted to make clear :)

@michaelt_tamtam 5 лет назад

I agree. I first got the IK UNO, then just this month upgraded to the Neutron and it was the price point that got me to consider getting into synths in the first place. Behringer's my new hero

@jefdamen2977 5 лет назад

Purists have harder lives, u need to let them vent from time to time...

@brmbkl 5 лет назад

I agree that young hungry artists make better songs, but what rubs me wrong is not the musician with cheap tools, but the large manufacturer acting like he's the victim. so for me at least, it's not a question which musician (the one with money or without) is the moral one, but which manufacturer. (much like how you don't blame the fat guy, but mcdonalds or coke for profiting and pretending)

@70zenboy 4 года назад

I have the neutron and it sounds bloody fantastic. Would Happily buy a d or any other behringer gear. Yes they are a lot better at quality control now. When i first started playing guitar. I wanted a fender or a Gibson. Only with experience did I realise that it’s not always the tool it’s the craftsman. Good music can be made on anything if you are passionate enough. If my neutron offends you Moog or oberheim purists then too bad. Get over it.

@sauce_aux 5 лет назад

I got the neutron on a whim, and I am quite pleased with it... surprised with behringer for sure !

@eventhorizon1414 2 года назад

I'm Korean and there are few new Minimoog Model D Reissue on sale in Korea.. Recently I bought a Minimoog Model D. However, note B on the keyboard did not sound. I immediately requested a replacement and looked at the new product, but this time the screw holding the pitch bend was loosened. Is this quality justified by selling it at a much higher price than the production cost? Since then I've lost my trust in the Minimoog and I'm going to buy a Behringer Model D today. The original budget will be spent on Sequential Prophet-10

@NoirEtBlancVie 2 года назад

I don’t blame you!

@datenight9342 5 лет назад

your thoughts on the 1000 synths just announced and 10000 synths coming in the next few year for the Big B?

@emiliopalazzolo894 4 года назад

I'm looking for a L'imperatrice kind of bass sound (they use a Moog Minitaur). Do you think I could get the same results with the Berhinger D? I know having another oscillator means more "fattness" but i still hear the minitaur sounds different and unique. Maybe people that have tried both could help? Thanks :)

@NoirEtBlancVie 4 года назад

The Minitaur has a very unique sound, I owned one for a while and if you can enjoy the interface then I prefer the Minitaur sound to the Model D. The interface on the Model D is better. That said, you seem more concerned about bass sounds alone, so I’d say Minitaur, though either will get you close. :)

@emiliopalazzolo894 4 года назад

@@NoirEtBlancVie Thank you, and thank you for you content!

@pcprobot 5 лет назад

Thanks for the review. I want to get one just because I want a great studio man.

@Esaelectronics 5 лет назад

i got a Boog, sounds great can't believe its so cheap,loving it,no tuning problems.

@theRiver_joan 5 лет назад

Wow, I had no idea Moog was owned by its employees. As an AnCom, that really warms my heart.

@anders671 4 года назад

Yes, man! Just YES!

@CinematicLaboratory 5 лет назад

Got my model D a few weeks ago. It has 'bargain' all over it, and since a(ny) Moog sounds best with reverb, nobody will hear the difference in Valhalla. Not a clone? Not a recreation? Agreed. You can also get the exact same time from a fake Rolex. A real one makes you feel different :).

@jeanbonnefoy1377 5 лет назад

I totally agree with you. And btw, I own both Moog and Behringer machines. As for Behringer build quality, I have to say that (like many of us) I started 12 years ago with Behringer mixers, have used 'em extensively in studio and in the road and, quite interestingly, up to now, they never failed me and are still working alright. Needless to say that as soon as B started its "clone" range, I was more than interested and started adding to my synth setup...

@berzerkrobot 5 лет назад

How do you not have 1million + subs?!

@akhatibi2602 5 лет назад

I had one for a month, it sounded great, but the midi over usb was very finicky and always cut out. Had to return

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

That’s so unfortunate

@leftmono1016 5 лет назад

A Khatibi - just for balance mine’s been fine over USB. I’ve got other things connected via USB and sometimes they disappear but the Model D is constant. In my humble experience USB issues have always been computer related.

@muslinielsen7789 5 лет назад

I want to build a clone of a model D with the electronics of this inside. Would be a fun project.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

I’d love to see this, I’d love to see this and a video about it!

@skylerhalemusic 5 лет назад

Do you think it would make a difference to have a Moog on a record as opposed to the Behringer model D?

@sidneybarrett8941 2 года назад

I own both - a 1974 MiniMoog and a new Behringer Model D - and no, once you add eq, reverb & effects, no one could tell them apart.

@guillermoazurdia 5 лет назад

What’s your opinion on the deepmind 12 or six?

@WingHouseCup 5 лет назад

Great video. Its rare to see anyone revisit their opinion and correct it. I have a ton of love for Moog, but generally the average synth guy doesnt have a ton of cash either. Would I love to buy a Moog and support their business, absolutely. Do I have the funds to support them, not always. Having the ability to buy the a synth at this price and with all features on offer almost seems unreal. I'm shocked some believe having synths that sound this good at this price points is a bad thing.

@NoirEtBlancVie 5 лет назад

Agreed Alonso, depending on which side of the fence some people are really effects their views on affordable equipment. As a piece alone, no politics, it’s a fine piece.

@craigbrowning9448 5 лет назад

Possibly smaller components (I haven't poked inside mine) but smaller (Sized) Capacitors, 1/8 Watt Resistors, Multilevel Circuit Boards, the external Power Supply, are all factors that can make a unit smaller. I have more of an Organ background than a Synth background, however I have been in the process of putting together a small Synthesizer setup, geared more towards Live/Real Time Performance.

@shitmandood 4 года назад

When I first heard about Behringer making these things, I scoffed at the idea. However, now I want to own all of them & look forward to the next release. :-)

@jacksonshelton8055 5 лет назад

I think there’s a new semi modular synth announced called the Crave- and also the Behringer MS-101 (Roland SH-101 clone) is now available for pre-order. That may be an interesting synth to review.

@narny04 5 лет назад

Different vid but fair that you did that mate! Try this with the Neutron as well, I'd be interested in that. ;) (note: shame that you need to be so specific about "this is this and that's a that" in general, meh :) )

@g43s 3 года назад

i hope they decide to come up with some roland boutique small type synths, i loooove their form factor.

@IrrationalExuberance 5 лет назад

I thought your original video on this was well-thought-out, but I can also appreciate a revisiting of the same topic to expand on it, and it's pretty commendable anytime someone is willing to admit "eh, maybe I was a little off-base before." I can't see why people would be pissed off about the original video, though. Oh wait, it's the internet.

@girlinagale 4 года назад

I use two Moog Mother 32's and got a Behringer D because it has a really different timbre. Sounds fabulous in recordings total benefit.

@jippalippa 3 года назад

I love the minimoog sound and I want something that sounds like it, and the behringer sounds like a no brainer... That said I’m not exactly young and with time I started to appreciate finer things, not necessarily focusing solely on budget. I’d like to buy something a bit more durable, and high quality, a nice piece of hardware that would last years, therefore I was looking at the moog mother 32 paired with a decent reverb module. what I’m disapointed with is the lack of variety in waveforms for the mother 32; for example there’s no trianlge wave to create mellow flute leads... What do you think about this matter? Thanks

@girlinagale 3 года назад

@@jippalippa I agree the Mother 32 is quite limited in timbres, what it does do it does very well. The Beringer D is more open with timbres and 3 osc which can be sub osc.

@jppagetoo 3 года назад

Two years later. Behringer has brought many many syths to market. They are a major player, They have allowed hobbyist musicians into the party.

@user-yl1oo6ng3g 7 месяцев назад

What i like about the Boog is, that you can use it (through its patchfield) as a full voice for a modular synth. And if you own the Korg MS20 Mini you can use it as the Boog and the MS20 Mini both have micro jacks) wih the MS20 Mini.

@ME-ru4hv Год назад

Nice patch! (as I'm watching) the "bug" I didn't like on the 1st reissue was inability to match or sync the waves exactly from the vibrato lfo and the osc in lfo mode. e.g. the duty cycles of the squares are just different