Behringer vs Moog: Minimoog vs Model D The definitive comparison Mini 

beware the Boog!!

I fully agree with you. Today we have alternatives, among them I see the low cost VSTIs plugins like the miniverse from Cherry Audio, a moog in our PC for only 39 dollars is not to be despised. Today we have alternatives and that is important for all musicians.

Another Model D owner here, I totally commend what you're saying. I own my Model D for a few reasons and some are more irrational than others. Tone, obviously - the overdrive on the Model D still seems unique when pushed and no emulation or copy has really nailed it, and that's where the magic is. But to be honest, it's the romance more than anything. I pay the extra to be entranced by the instrument, to touch something that is historically important and aesthetically beautiful. What can I say!? I understand it isn't technically important, but few things of ultimate worth are. The Boog is a beast! Hats off for the great sound!

I would choose the bolt. I have no need for a high insurance bill or silly sports car. Unless I could sell the Porsche. If that's allowed, I sell the porsche and now have enough to buy the bolt with plenty left over. Easy.

Also that's a bad comparison because the Porsche is functionally faster than the bolt, if far less energy efficient. The beh and moog are basically the same. Nothing like the porsche vs bolt comparison.

Well, it is amazing!

Kek

WOW! BOOG! :-D Such as a meanful word...! Congrats! :-D

Excellent and very just remark there Sir.

I've played around with an original and a Behringer and there is a noticeable difference in practice. Much like the difference between a U67 and a Rode. In practice not much of a difference until you mix it with other sounds. The Behringer is made with surface mount components that are made with current manufacturing processes. It's not a bad sound, just a bit more raspy, dry and less rubbery, less magic than the old Moog. May actually be better for modern stuff

@@hardlife8026 what a load of garbage. Why would surface mount sound different to through hole ?

@@NamelessSmile Well, I can tell you have never tried it. There is a very strong difference, but you know it all, so what's the point of talking to you... Anis ...

Not really because Behringer Monopoly and Poly D are very well built quality feeling sythersizors, and dont feel cheap in any way shape or form.

Yes really because Moog builds minimoogs out of things like a Cherry-wood case where Beh uses plastic, metal panel where Beh uses plastic, etc. Each synth is assembled by hand at Moog out of proud professional tradition. And if it matters to you, Beh is manufactured in China whereas Moog in the States. Because i’m a professional i saved up to own a Sequential Prophet X which is another expensive hand-built synth with wooden panels etc. and honestly, i feel it is absolutely wonderful that people starting out and hobbyists can afford great new gear. Behringer stuff sounds good, very good in many cases. But when you get to the point where you’re a professional musician, things like having the best possible build quality, best possible filter design etc, it really does make a difference. It’s the difference between buying a student violin, vs if you’re playing professionally in an orchestra, owning a professional-quality violin or whatever. To say there is no difference in quality between an instrument made fully of plastic versus an instrument made of wood and metal, is ludicrous. Difference in sound may be quite slight (i can hear a difference in the filter, the Moog is smoother as it glides through the harmonic series, the Beh has a more defined harmonic series), but the build quality is absolutely very different.

@@sub-jec-tiv I watched the livestream of the building of there Minimoogs and its basically just assembled by hand the parts come in sent from a manufacturer the same as Behringer or any other synthesizer. The Minimoog is mostly made of wood and the Behringer Poly D is made mostly from metal and some wood side panels. I have the Behringer Monopoly, all the knobs and buttons feel good quality just like any other synthesizer and overall is a well built quality product.

@@sub-jec-tiv 800 or 5000? Ill take the cheap wood

@@sub-jec-tiv Just untrue. What f*cking plastic? Have you really put your hands on a Behringer synth? Clearly you haven't, otherwise you would know the building quality of the Behringer is on a par with the original.

Thanks it’s really nice to hear that people enjoy them and find them useful

Thanks, you’re very kind :)

There's nothing like the natural old-school warmth of vintage Advil.

I still have some Bayer aspirin from the early 80's - talk about fat and warm! Nothing like what we get these days.

Slight difference between peoples well being and stealing/copying

No difference. Once the copyright has expired anybody can use the same design.

Wayne: "I can't think about it anymore, its giving me a headache." Garth: "Here, take these..." Wayne: "Ah, Nuprin. little, yellow, different..."

How much toilet paper do you have left? I’ve run out personally

@Le Spam they know what a moog synth is, even my Dad knew what one was before I got one. Google Doodle even did the minimoog. When people see my 70's mini, they know what it is, musician or not. No one will know what some crappy plastic box is among all the other crappy plastic boxes are. Sound isn't everything, otherwise people wouldn't be listening to electronic music in the first place.

@@34672rr wow i see that you are leading some kind of moog crusade but with your every comment i read I am losing more and more braincells because I didnt know how narrowminded someone can be... And what??? Why people listen to electronic music from dubstep through techno and dance to ambient? Because somebody has moog???

Bro the Behringer sounds exactly the same, it's a no Brainer, get the Behringer and have access to the exact same sounds as the moog and have more money for other gear

@@TheStellarmanCo. exactly,it’s also a good therapy to move away from VST Nirvana on my computer

@@34672rr lol, are you a professional comedian? 😄

Apologies to your bank account

apologies to real music stores, as well...

Ironically, they don't have it...

@@mouldeck fuckk them

@@StarskyCarr So I just came from your WASP video and went to your channel (Subbed with all notifications btw), found this, and I'm amazed! In the comments of that Video I was saying that it's ridiculous all of the affordable options, [quickly] Behringer; Model D, WASP, Neutron, CRAVE, MS-1, and then the Roland SE-02, all in the $250 to $350 range, and they're all amazing. But after watchiing this, even considering the Neutron has 32 patch points or whatever, the SE-02 has a sequencer with 162 presets or something, and the more options on others for other semi-modular pros, etc., _BUT_ I'm going to have the get the Model D. I have to. For $298.99 I can't bring myself to get something else. If you have an affiliate link to somewhere, let me know and I'll use it. *GREAT VIDEO!*

Schulze

High praise indeed. Glad you liked it

hi . what do you do with oscillators tuning issues ?

Ill give you 300 for the voyager, that way you can own two model D's. :)

@@statueoftheabyss6886 haha

Sounds a little like you’re opening up at an alcoholics’ anonymous meeting. Thanks for sharing :)

I am a hater of Moog stuff, but I have to admit, this sounds awesome.

@@spurv I love behinger and moog stuff, and have to admit, this sounds ho hum, just like the minimoog. however, I get inspiration from my 70's minimoog that makes me make it sound incredible, unlike this crap which is completely uninspired.

@@34672rr you're really on a crusade reply to everyone that you have a 70s Moog, it's quite entertaining. Can you tell again how you get inspired by it ?

wiremessiah yeah while your 70’s mini is in the shop getting repaired again I’ll still be being inspired by my little Behringer.

I could agree with you, but Minimoog is not a monophonic synth, it is the SYNTH

I'm holding out for the Neutron.

If you want that sound you want that sound. It is simple.

$3000 just to noodle around, no thanks.

i'm happy with my Mother 32 and Analog 4

Cheers, nice to have you appreciation :)

Yeahhh

@fooloof true

Thanks Chris. I think there's a fair bit of elitism about these things. I like my Minimoog but don't consider it the pinnacle of synth engineering by any means.

Minimoogs are very nice instruments but they are way too expensive.... look at the schematics, they are simple devices, and they're monophonic.

Rene Otten simple & GREAT.

Chris Strobel Cool story man, I like it 🤔

So you’re saying you don’t regret selling those moogs even though you could’ve sold them for upwards of $4,000?

Thanks Micke

It would be a great learning tool. Better than plugins and apps as you’re forced to program from scratch - no presets!

Its a pleasure to program. I have never been a Moog guy.....always loved old Roland, Oberheim, and DSI. I can’t take my hands off the Behringer. Its a no brainer, and its the best sounding mono I’ve ever owned. Better than my Mopho, better than my Boomstar SEM, better than my SH-2, better than any discrete mono I’ve used. Love the instrument level output...can plug it straight into cheap guitar pedals and have a blast.

I had the Subsequent 37 and sold it after buying 2 Boogs. much cheaper and better sounding IMHO.

IHaveSynthed never liked the sound of the Sub series.....the Little/Slim always sounded better to me. The Sub37 has some really cool features, but I agree, that the Behri D has better sounding osc’s and VCF.

Better sounding you say?

Thanks, appreciated.

For the price you can’t go wrong. It’s a real fun bit of kit, and sounds wonderful.

good luck reselling this valueless pile of shit

Cheers, appreciated.

Starsky Carr mailed you :)

It's amazing what you can do when you have endless money and no morals. Not complaining, deffo gonna buy some behringer stuff, cos well, you know, cheap as hell and loads of fun. I think it's incredible that these before unattainable for most instruments are now completely affordable, and in some cases, updated. But I don't think there was a code to crack. It just takes a company like Behringer with endless money and resources to mass produce such a thing for such a low price. I do heavily question their ethics and attitude towards some of the companies they are so obviously ripping on though.

There were already some recreations of the model D (or parts of) in the modular world. Several ladder filters and cp3 mixers. And a compleat set of model D modules (and much more) from AJH Synth. It's also true about the old Moog modular systems. For instance the system 15 re-made by MOS Lab.

Well then you are wasting money on a depreciating asset, rather than one who's value will only increase. Think long term strategically, and perhaps you will get in a higher tax bracket. Plus, even if the Boog sounds better, it's just not the same as having a real minimoog by a damn sight. Music and art are all about inspiration, and the Boog has exactly Zero of it, other than the fact that it's a copy of the greatest musical synthesizer ever. I have been playing my 70's mini for ten years, basically every day. How many Boog players will boast that in 10 years? probably ZERO

Taxation is theft. Good choice.

@@mikeexits nope. theft is taking something you didn't pay for, like roads, police, firefighting, animal control, military strength, political stability etc etc. "Taxation is theft" is something cheap selfish takers say who take everything they have for granted and just want more

@@34672rr War is murder, taxation is theft, police are gangs, politicians are criminals. Have a nice day :)

@@34672rr OH and BTW, most of our tax dollars (in the US) go to the military industrial complex, who spends more annually than the other top 6 military spenders worldwide combined.

*low-pass filter, y’mean? 🤔

hey, the Korg MS-10 etc starts with the low F as well.

You’re quite right. If someone offered me the cost of the Moog back and threw in a Behringer for free , I’d keep the Moog. But have to be impressed with the Behringer. I suppose it comes back to the old 80:20 rule. But the Behringer goes further ... it’s more than 80% sonically there for less than 10% of the cost.

yeah for the money you can get a handful of Behringer D's

Adamski A. The build is certainly nicer, but an extra $3k nicer? Almost seems silly to bring it up.

Yeah in retrospect, I should have dished out another $2700 for nicer knobs ... F*#$% that! 😂

The DeepMind 6 tho

Distressor I remember the gearslutz discussion back when Uli started posting about it. He was getting so much hate and I just quietly watched for months as people basically took huge dumps on the idea. I’m glad the product came out so well. He really proved the point he was trying to make about the price when he started musing about this.

I hear what your saying. I have a older pro1 that I take pride in having. I was a little bummed out to see them clone it.

@UnderBridge Rock wow here you are again in a different comment. Again, you can't steal patent designs that are expired and in public domain. Tasteless maybe? Well that's your opinion, but once upon a time kings, queens , and nobility thought it was "tasteless" to have a democratic society where lowly little plebs and peasants could vote and have a say in government. "How Dare They!!!"

@@auratone25 Yeah your bummed because your specialness is not so sepecial anymore

@UnderBridge Rock YOUR sound will get watered down? Aww your not special anymore. just stomp your feet and yell "I wanna be special! I wanna be special!" Mary curtis is only pissed cause chip clones means less cash flow into her bank accounts to keep her luxurious lifestyle her husband provided for her. People don't like losing their privileged positions over other people.

great isnt it

Gary Godfrey Haha you sound surprised :)

No no not at all, although I have fiddled with synths on and off over the years I should know far more than I do. I find the video's where people just do A - B comparisons not so interesting, but your input helped me to understand more than I would have normally, so please take my comment as a compliment. regards Gary

The patent ran out years ago, so the original design is not protected.

hey what about 100?

What about the Synclavier? that 200k synthesizer.

Hey what about Akai S1000?

Oh yes, i 'd pay 400$ for a cs clone

Funny you should say that.

Glad you enjoyed it

Dennis White Oi that’s copywrited!!!

*intents and purposes

@@xBattsey thanks

@@Capeau There is enough resolution in youtube audio to distinguish any important difference that is not in the „esoterics“ realm. if you need above 16 khz to tell the difference then you are much younger than me. I doubt i even hear anything above 14-15khz .That being said there is not that much important happening above 16 khz. Somebody who knows told me

@@Capeau 1) Good for you. Still nothing important that high apart from aliasing and artefacts that are well known but no one actually wants to hear. Now to the video, Starsky in the video repeatedly mentions how they sound the same. They sound enough the same to me too. Now if you really hear a difference so big that its worth so much fuzz,,, again good for you. I stopped this sensationalism of hearing differences between rca cables and power supplies many years ago and since then enjoy music and producing it much more. 2) Thank you for the explanation. I literally know exactly what happens in most formats. Still don`t care much. Don`t confuse my not caring to me not knowing what i am talking about. Even if you do, its all cool though. You dont need to convince me. I believe that you hear big differences. 3) Weird that you say that because i never implied around what the world revolves and i literally dont have illusions of grandeur like this. Fell too often on my face in my lifetime. I still believe that if there is a difference worth any mentioning then you can hear it even on youtube. Peace

​@@Capeau exactly what i mean. They sound the same to HIM (and ME and MANY OTHERS) :-) Who is he to know anything and why are you even watching this is the question since you don`t seem to care about HIS opinion. He seems just like another newbie. Don`t worry about me, i love wall of text and a wall of sound. Happy holidays and also Healthy days i wish you too