Ben couldn't even come up with any idea, old or new. He could've at least brought up "just sell-your-soon-to-be-underwater house" as idea to combat rising sea level.
@TheJudoJoker I certainly would not call this a debate. Ben Shapiro was asked antagonizing questions, and he responded quite poorly. None of those antagonizing questions were new, BTW. Shapiro has addressed all of these critiques about bad tweets and questionable statements that he has made in the past. This whole thing does not suggest to me that Ben is a poor debater, just that he has the capacity to act childishly on camera.
Reality Bites that doesn’t mean that I have to pretend that someone’s a girl when they’re obviously a dude. I agree with Ben about not having to contribute to people’s delusions
I don't think that being slow speaking in an interview or debate undermines any point the person says though. In fact, being slow speaking generally implies that you are trying to make your point clear for the other person to hear and it gives the other person time to process and formulate their response on the statement. It's just simply a great way to have clear understanding and a meaningful conversation. It also shows that they value your response. Ben Shapiro however, speaks very quickly about his points and speaks in a very clouded way. It can ward off those who may be intellectually able enough to debunk his ideas as many people will be stuck upon technicalities of a sentence he said 3 paragraphs ago. (edit: uhh sorry.. I didn't mean to be so annoyingly technical lmao. i just meant that its interesting how people view fast speaking debators as more intelligent, when speaking slower or faster doesn't change the points made or the intelligence behind them. )
@@bootlegbiologist I agree. Churchill also spoke slowly, and devastatingly. So did Mandela, in all the languages he spoke. It's just hilarious that he essentially got destroyed by someone who started the interview not at all hostile to him, and then turned the chap against him. He lost a fight against someone who wasn't even fighting.
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Its always funny when Conservatives think they have new ideas when really that would be antithetical to what a Conservative is 😂
@@lexort4204 yep, credit to the interviewer for calling ben's ideas what they are, a 'return to the dark ages'. and I guess credit to shapiro for tricking so many people by playing his role as logic-man with a funny hat on.
@Colby Lmao I love how condescending Neil ended up being. Like he was just asking some hypothetical questions to get Benny Boi to explain his position clearly. But it derailed his script almost immediately and he ended up throwing a temper tantrum. This is still my favourite interview ever lmao
@@someonerandom8552 I mean, there's a core difference between Neil and Ben - Neil is a European conservative... which means he simply pursues conservative policies - which, bad enough, is just that: a genuine, personal stance on politics Ben on the other hand is a right-wing grifter... all his statements have one outcome in mind: that flag-waving rednecks and capitalist dickriders are donating to/paying for the funds he works for - and Neil understands this... and he is ruthless towards this plain display of greed and clout-seeking in spite of principles (however misguided they may be on his own part)
@@rossleeson8626 😂😂😂 so true!! Also the news. I’ve literally heard “Dave from down the pub” say that he doesn’t mind Trevor McDonald but he can’t stand all these new posh ONES. like what??
He clearly has a preconceived opinion of what BBC is trying to achieve through that interview. I think calling him ‘uneducated’ is too far a stretch. He’s far more educated than the vast majority of left or right politicians we see today, and eloquent to back that up.
This dumb kid Shapiro has been sucking on the helium to extract all credibility from his statements.. Who doesn't know Andrew Neil is far right ffs!!!!!
His responses are purely reactionary. He doesn't take in what the other person actually says to give a thought through response, he just automatically goes into *_destroy all lefties_* mode, regardless of the meaning of the words said or where they stand politically.
Cashier: " Ok, that'll be $31.15 " Shabino: " Isn't it $31.00? " Cashier: " No, it's $31.15 " Shabino: " *What an obvious left-wing bias, why don't you just admit that you're a leftist? My doctor wife says that...* "
"Isn't jailing a woman for having a miscarriage, something completely out of her control, for 30 years, a bit extreme?" "RADICAL LEFTIST!! YOU'RE A LEFTIST, I BET YOU'RE ANTIFA AND AN ANARCHO-SOCIALIST!"
@@xxcallmeniaxx3272 I would say "occasionally"--it's certainly not impossible. I used to think you legally do NOT have to get out of the car if a cop orders you to (like how you don't have to consent to a drug search unless the cop has a warrant) But later, somehow I can't remember exactly how, I learned that was wrong. And I was INTERESTED in learning that was wrong, I didn't want to just assume I was right, when I saw "Pennsylvania v Mimms" I wanted to read about it, I wanted to know the reality of that situation. And I'm willing to believe _there are at least a few_ conservatives who behave the same way. Sometimes.
@@Vesta_the_Lesser I never said this was a trait specific to conservatives, I said for the most part people -in general, not with focus on political leaning- do not care about politics this is a fact understood by political scientists. For the most part people will watch the news or political commentators and accept their view points, as they believe that to be the right side and thus dont find interest in an outside opinion. So while you may find interest in it, its not very often people will do this. I would also add that the more radical you are towards conservatism the less likely you are to fact check, and they are extremely radicalized in the far right and to them when someone says something they agree with and they have a number to back it up (whether that number comes from a study that hasn't been peer reviewed, outdated statistics, or they are just made up) they are likely to listen. This isn't the same with leftist because the more educated you are the more likely you are to lean left meaning they are more critical of the media they are in taking. This isn't to say everyone but looking at what we know about people and their voting habits, as well the congress members themselves this seems to be the case.
i think the funniest part is that andrew neil was literally just doing an interview, then shapiro turned it into a debate which he didn't even have to and no one wanted him to... and he still lost lmao
“The fact is Ben, you can’t get me wet. It’s scientifically impossible. Sorry if that hurt your feelings, but facts don’t care about your feelings. That is why I’m leaving you.”
To be fair, that was what freedom of religion was meant to be when it was first written. I don't agree with that idea, but it's consistent with the right's idolization of the founding fathers, so it kinda makes sense
Ben Shapiro: Facts don’t care about your feelings. Also Ben Shapiro: Would you suggest that late term abortions are brutal? Nice emotional argument, Ben!
Not to mention that "late-term" abortions are only, ever, performed when not doing so would seriously endanger the life of the mother - you would have thought that, being married to a doctor, "he" would have known this but "he" didn't, and this, utterly glorious slow-motion car crash is the result...
Love the moment after the journalist asks the first hard hitting question and Ben shuts down and realizes he’s going to have to be the aggressor to come out of this interview looking above fridge temp IQ
Well this kind shows how Ben “destroys” people all the time. He just yells over the other person until they get annoyed and confused and then he thinks he did a smart. Lol
@@aurelien5747 I mean, that doesn't make them not semites anymore. Their culture and parental heritage is still Semitic, especially if they self-identify as being Jewish. It's an ethnic classification. Though nowadays it's considered outdated.
This was the first interview where Ben couldn’t freely gish gallop his way to victory and his feelings couldn’t handle it. I don’t like Neil all that much, but I am so glad he did this.
Dusty- I totally agree, it helps to get knocked down. I like that he admits it though. How many people on either side admit that after it happens? I hope it humbles him because I always felt after the Maher interview that he has potential to come to the middle.
@@JoshuaIS1 Apparently one of his 'destroy leftists' ways is to apologise when it doesn't matter to you. And the fact that he wrote that he was 'destroyed' and put up a score shows that he didn't pay *any* attention to the interview or what it meant; the criticism was that such childish language has caused the political anger now in the US that his book hypocritically criticises. He's learned nothing.
@@lettylunasical4766 I basically agree with what you said. I find it hard to listen to for the most part. I think he's stuck in the wanting to be right over wanting to be correct cycle. When people get stuck in that cycle they never seem to be able to be changed or grow. I sense you might be the same though, I apologize if I'm wrong. Everyone's ego needs that to happen, whether it's Tom Brady fumbling in the SB or Tiger being laughed out of golf. The political discourse nowdays is actually a good instruction for how broken people really are.
it's like when you think you're the smartest in high school just because you're the valedictorian and then you get absolutely destroyed when you realize everyone is smart at the ivy league college you decided to go to
Ben Shapiro: I hate identity politics but don't call me out when I call jews out for not having dual loyalty a canard I falsely accuse people like Ilhan of.
When I was younger (before I could vote) I used to love Ben Shapiro and louder with crowder. I’ve realized as I’ve gotten older and more involved in politics, that Shapiro doesn’t have “logical” and “factual” takes. He has INSANELY biased takes that he bends facts and logic to fit. He’s one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance that I can think of, he’s so into his own worldview and is intelligent enough that ANYthing that comes up he can rationalize in his own worldview without changing it.
Yeah when i was like 15 youtube randomly hit me up with political videos and i ended up watching a few of Shapiro’s & crowder’s and saw nothing wrong with them (tbf it was some of the less serious issues like girls being in boy scouts). I escaped that rabbit hole because of what Shapiro had said about the lgbt community and gay marriage and i realised that he the things he was saying were opinions presented as facts and then i started looking into the facts that the youtube politicians talk about and have since found myself much further left.
OldWitchDoctor A couple hours later on his stream he was browsing his reddit and coincidentally pulled up one of those exact videos (the video was posted to his reddit a couple days ago). He pointed this out.
@@godofthisshit Yeah I'm sure the thing that gained him the most online traction is the thing he didn't know was posted by himself on his own social media accounts ..
@@skipperiffic seems like you spectacularly missed the point. Noone complained or criticised Ben for using "destroyed". What he is being critizised for is that he does that AND pretends he's this civil person just trying to have a discussion and all the other people are the problem. A common tactic on the right. He proved he either can't even remember the title of his own published book "how to debate leftists and destroy them" or he's lying. Wouldn't be uncommon either. People like Ben have no principles. He will just say whatever makes him look good and the people he doesn't like bad.
tbf this is not much about how right Americans are but rather how uneducated about the rest of the world they are. shapiro didn't even do a basic research on the guy before the interview, certainly doesn't know anything about UK (or any other non-US country's) political landscape nor he cares about it, and probably just remembered some tweets about BBC being lefty.
I mean everyone slightly intelligent person knew that Trump wouldn’t win. As much as I don’t like Ben, you have to admit he’s at least a little intelligent.
@@MrDevil-jb1fl he is smart enough to not debate people that are actually smart and talks fast outside of those everything he says is dumb dumb and sheer luck if correct
@@MrDevil-jb1fl I dunno, people thought Trump wouldn't win in 2016. Also, Biden's win is sadly not as convincing as it ought to have been with 4 years of Trump reality.
"Confidence and talking fast" You hit the nail on the head. I think that's all Ben Shapiro has; if he didn't have that he wouldn't be as popular to Republicans at all.
Ben Shapiro confuses an interview with a debate. The purpose of the interview is to concretisize Ben's position. The journalist has no reason to present his own stance. However, he does with the framing of his questions allude to his positions, making Ben immediately try to disarm his arguments via political affiliation.
You know how when you make your own debate with yourself and an imaginary opponent you always win? Ben is literally the first person in history who managed to loose his own made up debate
To be fair their goals are not new but some of the techniques to oppress citizens are new, like allowing religious people to sue and bankrupt teachers.
It genuinely baffles me, that Shabino came so unprepared to this interview. He didn’t even read the first paragraph of the guys Wiki article. Also I genuinely can’t tell if he’s confused of the concept of an interview and mistakes it for a debate or if he does this on purpose. Either way it’s hilarious. I saw this interview yesterday for the first time and I’m still laughing at him calling Neil a leftist.
What's more hilarious for me it's the fact that he doesn't know BBC is a public television service, so the journalist would not get more money from doing his job better or worse.
@@antoniousai1989 the BBC is better than most media in the US, but it still has it's flaws. They are funded by the government, which means that they will inherently have a bias towards the party in power at the moment. The Tories are in charge right now so they wouldn't want to upset them too much.
Alexander McCalla They all do and have been for a long time apparently, this recent stunt just highlighted it. Honestly, I saw a tweet that said this proves that American journalism is more of a stunt that actual journalism because our journalists are used to not being challenged or even mildly called out for the things they say and that’s true for both conservative and liberals. America presents all sides of an argument as worthy of merit and instead of challenging ideas, just keeps it moving.
I cited to my dad that the fetus would got to heaven given his beliefs. So the woman aborts baby, baby goes to heaven, win win? I idk, it's hard to figure out what he's thinking when he disagrees.
I always loved this video, it is one of the biggest videos that ran me from conservatism and the right. Realising it had flaws being naive to think nothing I believed in could be flawed
I was mostly shocked Ben didn’t know how interviews outside the states go and even in the states, an interview often has to phrase question to challenge the interviewee to get a more sound answer than just “yea...” or “mm nah”
We dont have right wingers like Ben here in the UK because their ideas just dont stand up to scrutiny and we have real news and journalists. This was the perfect example of why. Its why all ours have gone over to America where any idea no matter how completely moronic isnt allowed to be critiqued by others on the right.
You do though, people like nigel farage and boris johnson seem pretty damn right wing and have gotten away with some real verbal shitshows in the past. that said i agree that it seems the ones who are poorest at hiding their cards scatter off to america. After all, I think the same is true of us Canadians.
This was the right interviewing the extreme right and the extreme right thinking he was being interviewed by the somebody who called themselves the right but was actually the left I fully believe that Ben thought Andrew was a radical leftie, when in fact Ben just met a European rightie and it was a culture shock haha
