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Bendix-Hyde Second Model Prototype Carbine 

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In late 1940, the US military opened a competition for what would become the M1 Carbine - a rifle that needed to use the .30 Carbine cartridge and weigh no more than 5 pounds (2.27kg). No fewer than 9 companies and designers entered the first round of competition in April 1941, including John Garand, Val Browning, Eugene Reising, Auto-Ordnance, and George Hyde. Hyde's entry was one of the best performers, and just a few changes to it were requested.
A second round of trials was held in September 1941, and this is one of the 5 Hyde carbines made for that second test. Unfortunately for Hyde, while he had made the changes requested, he had also managed to make the gun less accurate, less reliable, and more difficult to disassemble than his first version. Winchester would ultimately win the competition, with a rifle designed in an amazing 34 days.

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@BurnTheNuance
@BurnTheNuance 8 лет назад
Man, your content never gets old. Guns are the only subject that me and my father can talk about, he was born in the 40's in Georgia, I was born in the 90's in Oregon, and anything that can get us talking is welcomed. We actually share a rather large personal collection of pre-1900 firearms and we're always looking for more. So thanks Ian for all your hard work, and for giving me and my father something to talk about, ha.
@sweatymcsweatyy2721
@sweatymcsweatyy2721 8 лет назад
+laszu its not that strange tbh
@jimhans1
@jimhans1 6 лет назад
laszu if his father was born in '49 and he was born in '90, then his dad would only be 41 when he was born.......
@tyomies6168
@tyomies6168 2 года назад
Cool story bro.
@wallaroo1295
@wallaroo1295 4 года назад
It reminds me of my old Crossman pellet rifle...
@executivebexley252
@executivebexley252 3 года назад
Crossman made awesome pump up air rifles!!
@BenDover-mj7tn
@BenDover-mj7tn 3 года назад
I was about to put that same thing in comments till i read yours An yes it does does it not lol
@JennyGormanRitter
@JennyGormanRitter 2 года назад
@@executivebexley252 they still do too! My 760 finally shit the bed after owning it and using it avidly for 9 years. To be fair, it still works I just lack a stock for it at the moment...
@robertsloan2877
@robertsloan2877 Год назад
Illuminati confirmed
@chadbarrett3545
@chadbarrett3545 8 лет назад
The dear heads look like they are staring at you looking for vengeance.
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 8 лет назад
lol too funny and you are right
@wompa_1
@wompa_1 4 года назад
Nice!
@JustIn-op6oy
@JustIn-op6oy 3 года назад
I beg to differ. The deer are intently observing as gun Jesus does his thing.
@psirider
@psirider 8 лет назад
really love the color the parkerizing takes on these old guns
@Pocahonkers
@Pocahonkers 8 лет назад
I've just read your articles about the first model, second model and the 1944 carbine. Interestingly the things they removed from the first model to the second model were added again in the 1944 carbine model. Along with that quick-change barrel stuff. Really a rollercoaster of emotions in these three models.
@heathcliffe8446
@heathcliffe8446 6 лет назад
This is pretty much my favorite firearms channel. So much to learn. Well done.
@BULLOCK1973
@BULLOCK1973 8 лет назад
Vids have come a long way, your doing a great job. I love the history of the guns you present. Keep up the great work.
@AnyFukkingNameJesus
@AnyFukkingNameJesus 8 лет назад
These trials guns never stop amazing me. Thank you Ian. This is by far the best channel on youtube.
@nicholasmaugeri759
@nicholasmaugeri759 5 лет назад
Very interesting. The M1 Carbine is my favorite rifle of WW2. Interesting in seeing one of the rifles that was up for competition. Thank You Ian!
@JohnLeePedimore
@JohnLeePedimore 8 лет назад
Did the US military ever try to adapt the .30 Carbine cartridge to a handgun?The case length is exactly the same as a .357 magnum.It seems like S&W could have easily chambered a K or N frame revolver for it.The M1917 was certainly a success.There were actually 2 civilian handguns chambered for it.The Ruger Blackhawk and the AMT Automag III.In fact I saw an AR upper in .30 Carbine the other day.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+JohnLeePedimore Not that I am aware of, although there may have been some test at some point.
@BurnTheNuance
@BurnTheNuance 8 лет назад
Really? That would be an interesting Ar upper. Hmm.
@merlemorrison482
@merlemorrison482 8 лет назад
+JohnLeePedimore Don't forget that TC also chambered their single shot Contender for this round.
@hazzardlobotomy7904
@hazzardlobotomy7904 7 лет назад
Well my name's John Lee Pettimore Same as my daddy and his daddy before You hardly ever saw Grandaddy down here He only come to town about twice a year
@joshuagee6717
@joshuagee6717 5 лет назад
While it would be interesting probably not it would be tough on a blowback system and a revolver would be pretty much obsolete being the ammo cpacity was already getting higher
@imallearsru
@imallearsru 8 лет назад
You have such fantastic videos, history, specs, disassembly, component description and good presentation skills. Looking forward to many more, if you're ever looking for a topic, there are so many versions and variants of certain guns that comparing them might be an idea. As an example, I ordered a 7.62 Galil years ago and was quite happy with it. The gun was based on the Rk 62 which was based on the AK 47, which is manufactured in ?? countries, many without a license to do so. That one gun is a channel by itself lol.
@cmh6122
@cmh6122 11 месяцев назад
Thought I was the shit when I could disassemble an M-60. Amazed at the level of understanding and respect you have for firearms.
@spacemanmoe5622
@spacemanmoe5622 8 лет назад
Thank you Ian. I would love to see more M1 carbine prototype rifles. One that I would love to see is a auto ordnance recoil operated version. Thanks again.
@Blueswailer
@Blueswailer 8 лет назад
The Bendix-Hyde Carbine sounds like something out of Shadowrun. Looks kind of strange but I like it. Thank you for the informative videos! Very much enjoyed this installment as well.
@TeaAndBullets
@TeaAndBullets 8 лет назад
A fellow Shadowrunner, eh? Not exactly the first place a I'd expect to find one.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 8 лет назад
+Cat418 another one here
@atheniannikitas5912
@atheniannikitas5912 8 лет назад
before I watched this it really looked like an m1carbine with a tompson and a shotgun had a baby
@THR33SIXX3MPYR
@THR33SIXX3MPYR 8 лет назад
The op rod reminds me of the BAR.
@THR33SIXX3MPYR
@THR33SIXX3MPYR 8 лет назад
At least cosmetically, in its assembled state.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 года назад
The locking block kinda reminds me of the P38, but turned upside down.
@MrSebfrench76
@MrSebfrench76 8 лет назад
i am always amazed by the talent of this Ian. He's so different from the others so-alled guns specialists. Plus : for a frog like me, he speaks a perfectly understable English.
@chuckcochran8599
@chuckcochran8599 Год назад
Without the use of plastics and aluminum, which were really in their infancy development wise, that 5 lb weight limit would have been nearly impossible to meet I would speculate.
@kevinbaker6168
@kevinbaker6168 8 лет назад
Ian, very interesting. Externally it reminds me of many of the 22 semi-auto rifles and carbines that came out in the 50's & 60's. Most obvious difference is blow back operation instead of gas operated, with no locking lugs.
@greightaa8791
@greightaa8791 8 лет назад
Well done. I like the information and your presentation. Great job
@kogn5338
@kogn5338 2 года назад
Trial weapons are always so interesting, would love to see any korobov trial guns some day on the channel.
@drakehosking8628
@drakehosking8628 3 года назад
I’m gonna be honest that looks like a really slick rifle and it looks very well put together and finished
@jagx234
@jagx234 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons I very much enjoy the stories behind the guns you give in these videos. Pretty awesome job? hobby? to have. I'd love to watch a video on the Dardick sometime!
@Kloick
@Kloick 8 лет назад
Your background is looking much better this time!
@jobr2394
@jobr2394 5 лет назад
The weapon has a receiver and bolt system designed on the Thompason and Blish system in its basic design and Looks. The Trigger housing, Charginghandle and design and the operating design are a hybrid Browning BAR and Garand Design. The forearm is a Merge in Design from the BAR and a Thompson. The bolts locking system is similar to the Blish locking system inverteThe Trigger housing definitely gets its design from the BAR. Sights are an Early 1927 Thompson Type system. The firearm was brought together and designed off of existing designs of the time. Thank you for showing this rifle. Like many others, it shows how most weapons are designed within the existing technology and knowledge for the time. Many of these features are still in use today.
@jimkey920
@jimkey920 8 лет назад
Very interesting Carbine. The wedge locking system seems complicated to manufacture. If time constraints were nor so critical. this weapon may have been perfected. The Me Carbine is, without a doubt superior. Thank
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 6 лет назад
Nice design, thanks for sharing it with us.
@missouriaviator8871
@missouriaviator8871 8 лет назад
Looks like a Thompson and a BB gun had a baby.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
or the Thompson and an early concept drawing of an AR
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 лет назад
+Matt Dickson I was thinking a Thompson and a Browning SA-22.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
+Rock Island Auction Company that too
@BurnTheNuance
@BurnTheNuance 8 лет назад
+Rock Island Auction Company Yes, that describes it very well.
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 7 лет назад
MissouriAviator. Yeah, it does have that 1973 Cross man PumpMaster look.
@sithompson74
@sithompson74 8 лет назад
Really like the way that locks. Quite ingenious design and shame it didn't work out
@toxicmatrix1337
@toxicmatrix1337 8 лет назад
Feel like you should have a big bottle of Jager in the background.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
OK so I just looked up the original model of this gun and my gods it looks like the dirty love child of a Thompson and a Stoner 63A carbine
@terranaxiomuk
@terranaxiomuk 8 лет назад
Wow that gun seems surprisingly modern and reliable. Normally i have a gander and then skip to another of your video's but this gun really interested me. Shame i live in the UK lol.
@nickburnett501
@nickburnett501 3 года назад
Really sweet looking firearm
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 8 лет назад
Thank you for using SI units for us poor Europeans, I am kind of getting used to imperial, but this was a really nice gesture.
@ellsworthm.toohey7657
@ellsworthm.toohey7657 8 лет назад
metric is the only real measurment system ! dont waste your time learning imperial crap that no smart people uses !
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 8 лет назад
Ellsworth M. Toohey No smart people USE.
@ellsworthm.toohey7657
@ellsworthm.toohey7657 8 лет назад
Wow, a grammar nazi !
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 8 лет назад
Ellsworth M. Toohey You or me? Look, SI system is better in my opinion, as would be any based on the base you are counting in. (Base 10 isn't the best, imho, 12, 16 or even eight would be better, but what can you do). But imperial is still in use and switching suddenly to SI system would be really expensive and maybe dangerous. I has to go gradually. In the meantime, get used to it. I was shocked when I found out plumbers in my country, in the heart of Europe, still use inch based threads. Backward compatibility is a bitch.
@beaublackford3697
@beaublackford3697 3 года назад
Smart people? You mean for the people who's country hasn't put a man on the moon?
@TheGrandslam89
@TheGrandslam89 8 лет назад
"It went through the reliability dust test really well, it liked it" Carbine confirmed M
@forestcampbell8962
@forestcampbell8962 3 года назад
I wonder how many people will actually comprehend this joke.
@MrMexicanarmy
@MrMexicanarmy 8 лет назад
god, i miss this show :/
@laflux
@laflux 2 года назад
Welp First Vanguard guy here, its the Cooper Carbine there.
@troy9477
@troy9477 7 лет назад
The also rans are always interesting. I love my Inland 1943, but i suspect these sights are a little more practical and more rugged. Also, the separate stock and forend should be easier and faster to produce than a long 1 piece stock and a handguard. And of course that handguard could be recontoured and shortened and lightened a bit. I kinda like the gas tappet idea vs this long, fairly complex op rod. We know that the op rod can be a little troublesome, subject tio bending, and not real tolerant of different ammo. I need to take my Carbine apart to refresh my memory on some things......Great video as always. Thank you
@texasdeeslinglead2401
@texasdeeslinglead2401 8 лет назад
I like how you have a really respectable set up for your talk in this video. looks kinda like rock island likes having you do these videos.love the horses on each side of you , lol , jk.but they give good ambiance
@57WillysCJ
@57WillysCJ 8 лет назад
What is amazing is Winchester and other companies like Bantam coming up with a product in less than 60 days from start to finish. I doubt it could happen today.
@THE_YIGLER
@THE_YIGLER 6 лет назад
that is one funky looking trigger!
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 8 лет назад
I really like the simple rear sight on this carbine :)
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 8 лет назад
What an interesting action. It is kind of good looking, in it's own way too.
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 7 лет назад
Hey Ian, yes we mostly agree about the set it at the factory rear sight, certainly on a light rifle in .30 carbine. The army( I don't know about other forces) had and still has AFAIK a "Don't Kentucky it" policy. I'm from Kentucky and did learn from Uncle Grandaddy , soooooo.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 Год назад
It's so wild that they actually asked for the pistol grip & full auto to be removed. The original Fudds.
@titaniumdiveknife
@titaniumdiveknife 8 лет назад
3:15 Thank you Mr Ian.
@donosolianos5323
@donosolianos5323 8 лет назад
you da man ian
@ItsAlwaysRusty
@ItsAlwaysRusty 8 лет назад
That looks to have needed a lot of machining for a wartime weapon..
@elijaah81
@elijaah81 8 лет назад
simply awsome. thanks
@josephddd117
@josephddd117 8 лет назад
Looks like a BAR and Thompson Hyrbid.
@AlanH450
@AlanH450 8 лет назад
just a thought for disassembly, to push the pins in, rather than use a bullet or pin punch it looked like the sling swivel had a a pin end after the thread that might have worked, seen you do similar things before on other guns. Great video though Ian, once again.
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 8 лет назад
Was the prototype Reising submitted the .30 carbine version of their SMG?
@Hawk1966
@Hawk1966 4 года назад
That op rod cover that slides back and pins in place looks like it would get bent SO easily. In a fox hole or just under pressure to get the weapon stripped and clean especially if if flip it over to pull the trigger assembly.
@stalbertjocelyn
@stalbertjocelyn 7 лет назад
could you use the tip of the front sling swivel to unlock the side plate?
@CPerry-yq1fj
@CPerry-yq1fj 8 лет назад
Was the small pin like end of the front swivel screw that retained the hand guard small enough to push in the side plate you used the punch on ?
@30calPartridge
@30calPartridge 8 лет назад
One of the first things I thought of was "looks like it would do reasonably well in the mud test." haha
@THR33SIXX3MPYR
@THR33SIXX3MPYR 8 лет назад
Ian, are any of the other prototypes from the competition known to still exist? You piqued my curiosity and I did a little googling, but all I can seem to find are links to the designers' other, more well known guns.
@mauricematla1795
@mauricematla1795 8 лет назад
Is there a first model still in existance that you know of ?
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 8 лет назад
Very interesting one here. Mechanically speaking, I think it's kinda cool.
@michaeljoyce3153
@michaeljoyce3153 5 лет назад
I've never liked a gun so much lol it reminds me of a big 22 and I really really want one. Do you have the specs and blueprints by any chance?
@That-Guy5643
@That-Guy5643 7 месяцев назад
unrelated but the wooden head mounts in the background go hard
@tinitoysinatra
@tinitoysinatra 8 лет назад
Great history!
@Nonii-92
@Nonii-92 8 лет назад
Why exactly didn't they like the pistol grip? Isn't pistol grip more effective in guns meant for military purposes? What is your take on this Ian?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Nonii 92 I suspect the choice was based on long experience with traditional stocks, and I prefer the pistol grip.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 8 лет назад
Nonii 92 The people drawing up the military requirements aren't necessarily smart.
@nehcrum
@nehcrum 8 лет назад
+Nonii 92 Never forget the importance of recognition and tradition. This was a carbine, a rifle, and therefore it should have a rifle-stock and rifle grip. Only pistols and SMGs had pistol-grips.... Same thing with the BAR, which in other versions was given a pistol-grip, but not the version the US military used.
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 8 лет назад
Like others said, a rifle stock for a rifle was just how it was done in the U.S. military. Just look at the M14 rifle.
@andrewince8824
@andrewince8824 8 лет назад
I guess that in the end Winchester had an advantage over the Bendix-Hyde in that they already had a great rifle in military use and so only had to adapt some of the mechanisms and meet the weight/caliber requirements. They also knew exactly what standards were expected.
@ThomasRonnberg
@ThomasRonnberg 8 лет назад
The design seems a lot like a improved version of the garand/m14. If this design had been chosen it could easily have survived the test of time, especially with the introduction of detachable scopes. It's all sealed, and has a solid receiver. Which is basically what we're trying to do today with the kalashnikov system and the m1/m14 systems.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 8 лет назад
+Thomas Ronnberg Nope. May look similar but functions totally different which is the problem. Wedge lock systems like this one has are just not as accurate, durable and serviceable as a rotating bolt with front locking lugs is. That's why nearly everything today that's not blowback uses a rotating bolt.
@ThomasRonnberg
@ThomasRonnberg 8 лет назад
+wingracer 16 You're right, there's no question about that, but in terms of the conceptual design, this rifle is completely sealed and closer to a modern amalgamation than the m1/m14 designs. It appreciates a wider variety of modern aspects than the m14/m1 systems. If a company today were to design a fresh .30cal carbine concept they would more likely lean towards this design than the m1 carbide we see today. Of course with a rotating bolt. The reason this is true is because the majority of the most advanced modern rifles being produced are completely sealed designs. The m1 system is great, but it simply lacks too many desired requirements for crawling through tough conditions.
@TheAtomicEwok
@TheAtomicEwok 8 лет назад
Will you ever do a video on the M2 Hyde smg?
@edbecka233
@edbecka233 2 года назад
At least they put the front sling swivel in the right place!
@Joepopa12
@Joepopa12 8 лет назад
Is the end of the sling swivel small enough to push that pin in? it looks almost as if it is the intended purpose.
@TaurusSI
@TaurusSI 8 лет назад
Could you push the pins with the sling screw?
@AlanH450
@AlanH450 8 лет назад
+TaurusSI bugger, i just posted a comment on the same thought
@TaurusSI
@TaurusSI 8 лет назад
***** Great minds think alike... If we were correct :D
@KickyFut
@KickyFut 3 года назад
@@TaurusSI I know this is years later, but comparing the sizes, no, the sling screw was way too big to push in those disassembly pins!
@kennieminski7080
@kennieminski7080 8 лет назад
Great video as always, but I have to: Ian got run over by a reindeer, walkin' home from Karl's house Christmas eve.
@anter176
@anter176 8 лет назад
Silly question but the sling swivel screw would be too large to push those pins?
@harrisment2812
@harrisment2812 8 лет назад
that trigger actually seems way ahead of its time, as flat and semi flat triggers are all the rage in competitive shooting
@Regolith86
@Regolith86 8 лет назад
That's a "nice short receiver"? And here I was thinking it looked like it was overly long. It'd be interesting to see it next to a stripped M1 Carbine.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons you made a mistake at a little before 8:29 and said Winchester when I'm sure you meant inland
@100GTAGUY
@100GTAGUY 4 года назад
Is this the same Bendix company that also made aircraft parts from about WW2 up to the current day? If so that's pretty cool, never knew the company dabbled in firearms as well. Edit: never mind I got too excited about this before watching the video which addresses this later on.
@rho1581
@rho1581 8 лет назад
You would think they would design the tip of that sling stud small enough to push those dis-assembly pins.
@b-conn6624
@b-conn6624 6 лет назад
It's a shame out of all those designs that came around that time and only one ever got mass produced which is the one the US decided to use but I wish there had been more commercial production of these others. I'd like to own and shoot many of these designs.
@tritowns
@tritowns 4 года назад
Nice looking firearm, looks well made
@Koefti
@Koefti 8 лет назад
hallelujah he did it ... could you bring in more often the metrical units (except for caliber of course) its allways a little bit hard calculating in your head how much it is in a system youre used to and also listen to you Ian.
@johnwizeman3894
@johnwizeman3894 8 лет назад
Makes you wonder how things could've been different if this one had continued to do as well as it had in the beginning. Unfortunately it did not. What might have been?
@jackschwinkendorf677
@jackschwinkendorf677 8 лет назад
That carbine looks exactly like the BB gun I got my little brother for his birthday last year!
@VanillaGorilla502
@VanillaGorilla502 6 лет назад
Reminds me of a small BAR
@iotaje1
@iotaje1 8 лет назад
Could it be that the punch used for disassembly was to be found on the magazine buttplate?
@Primarch359
@Primarch359 8 лет назад
since I assume you will never have the opportunity to do a video on all its competitors do you have any suggestions for a book on the competition?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Primarch359 The Collector Grade book "War Baby" is where I would start.
@TrinidadJamesWoods
@TrinidadJamesWoods 7 лет назад
why was the ordinance department opposed to the pistol grip? I don't see the downside.
@JimJamtheSailor
@JimJamtheSailor 8 лет назад
I like the way the locking works, but the trigger mechanism looks like it would be fairly easy to convert to full auto.
@ToastyMozart
@ToastyMozart 8 лет назад
+JimJamtheSailor Makes sense, since the first version was select-fire.
@jolujo5842
@jolujo5842 2 года назад
Overall that's a beautifully designed gun. Sad they didnt continue developement for sale in the "Ranch Rifle" market domestically.
@AINGELPROJECT667
@AINGELPROJECT667 8 лет назад
Bendix? Like the gun turret company?
@AM-hf9kk
@AM-hf9kk 4 года назад
And automotive starters and automotive brakes... Just like GM and other large manufacturing concerns, they made a bit of everything during wartime.
@AluminumStud
@AluminumStud 8 лет назад
Very cool, but the Winchester M1 is great as well.
@taekim6819
@taekim6819 5 лет назад
Is Inland Co. just a manufacturer? Is Inland Co. the same company that manufactures electronic parts in today's market? You can google electronic parts like headset, 3D printer filament, cables, circuit boards, etc with the Inland brand. Just curious...
@AFpaleoCon
@AFpaleoCon 8 лет назад
I want those wooden deers.
@knechtor5648
@knechtor5648 8 лет назад
thanks for your concern Ian, but we europeans still use pounds among other old measurements, like centner which curiously is 50kg in germany instead of a hundred. ;)
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 8 лет назад
as someone from the UK I have trouble putting pounds and shit into context
@knechtor5648
@knechtor5648 8 лет назад
CAMSLAYER13 yea a pound sterling doesn't even weigh 1 pound smh
@Ratrazor
@Ratrazor 3 года назад
That's an awesome gun, it really does suck it's missing a magazine and you have to have that custom-made to fire it.I don't get why there's so many awesome guns out there that are missing magazines that are rare.
@timhofstetter5654
@timhofstetter5654 5 лет назад
Very TIDY-looking carbine.
@fynetuneyrgf
@fynetuneyrgf 8 лет назад
I actually think it is kind of a nice looking rifle. If it had the original pistol grip it would look like a basterd Thompson subgun. I also like the fact it is a gas operated gun, and not a blow back open bolt. I bet it is quite accurate at 1-200 yards, would love to see one work.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 8 лет назад
Given that the 1st model Bendix-Hyde was the best performer in the first round of testing, and all of the requested changes turned out to be detrimental...I have to wonder if somebody at the Ordinance Board was trying to rig the second round in Winchester's favor.
@therandommemecat7738
@therandommemecat7738 2 года назад
Is that the Cooper Carbine?!
@basp-ef7jx
@basp-ef7jx 3 года назад
Rule of acquisitions 34, war is good for business.
@j0nthegreat
@j0nthegreat 8 лет назад
you made the dis-assembly seem not all that tedious while you were doing it
@M14Rogue
@M14Rogue 8 лет назад
looks like a mini BAR.
@happycannibal1285
@happycannibal1285 4 года назад
The shape of it reminds me of a mini BAR.
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