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Beneteau First 53 - the First is back, but not like you know it...! 

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Beneteau's new First 53 is an alluring, powerful all-Italian design, which sees the company enter the competitive luxury performance cruiser market - rather than the cruiser-racers that made the First name. Toby Hodges gives you the full tour while sailing off Barcelona. Base price starts at €483,000
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@invictusmaneo464
@invictusmaneo464 Год назад
Best inside layout I saw for a long time!!!
@mikem54321
@mikem54321 4 года назад
Please highlight machinery area and engine room. Talk about access which is so important on a boat as maintenance is a way of life.
@bradlavassaur8265
@bradlavassaur8265 2 года назад
Simply gorgeous!! A very extensive tour. Thank you for sharing. I loved this video 👍👍
@yachtingworld
@yachtingworld 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@noelsharpe5970
@noelsharpe5970 4 года назад
Very nice boat, Very nice rigg, Great sails and the most ridiculously heavy Boom.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 4 года назад
Rational, modern, even a bit radical mechanical design and layout. But yes, not much protection from the weather. In terms of interior styling, it's modern and clean and definitely has influence from racing boats. It's understandable that some more traditional types may not like the minimalist styling. It is a bit different. It looks refreshingly clean and simple.
@jclar3565
@jclar3565 4 года назад
Clean. Almost reminds me of a Tripp design. I may pick up a First 18 to delve into the Beneteau world
@joseluismora880
@joseluismora880 4 года назад
Great over look of this mini Wally
@williamyamm8803
@williamyamm8803 4 года назад
Très beau bateau. L'aménagement intérieur est très intelligent. J'aime beaucoup le grand salon.
@wewe745
@wewe745 4 года назад
Most detailed and awesome video. You are the best 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@yachtingworld
@yachtingworld 4 года назад
Thanks Josh!
@qatarsailor7727
@qatarsailor7727 4 года назад
Wow beautiful design 👌
@Abc-kf4qx
@Abc-kf4qx 3 года назад
“...looking around you must think we’re on some luxury cruiser, but no this is a beneteau first 53...” 😂😂😂
@llencoram
@llencoram 3 года назад
Must be nice having money eh?
@condepill9611
@condepill9611 3 года назад
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@thomasmackie922
@thomasmackie922 4 года назад
Just beautiful, would like more wind protection.
@journeyithaki7772
@journeyithaki7772 4 года назад
Gorgeous review !!
@jugaloking69dope58
@jugaloking69dope58 4 года назад
Pretty nice for a budget 50 plus cruiser. Weekend cruiser with a option to cross to Hawaii if adventurous 🤔🏄
@rwg2626
@rwg2626 4 года назад
I like this a lot, , great performance without needing to be a racer, brilliant weekender
@drx1xym154
@drx1xym154 2 года назад
Yes! With a spacious galley, good cabin layout and it did appear to have good stowage/storage --- if one may want to take a long, long, long "weekend trip" and never come back!
@ciangallag
@ciangallag 4 года назад
Great walkthrough Toby, beautifully roomy yacht! Cheers.
@SuperSnallygaster
@SuperSnallygaster 4 года назад
This thing is amazing!
@billhanna8838
@billhanna8838 4 года назад
So glad they havnt gone to those sliding fridges (dangerous) in a seaway like Hanze & rounded edges again - Solid removable stylish dodger in carbon would be nice extra,
@bryonensminger7462
@bryonensminger7462 4 года назад
Now that boat has clean lines very good looking boat
@ingriddubbel8468
@ingriddubbel8468 4 года назад
What a beautiful streamlined boat.
@i_hate_google_
@i_hate_google_ 4 года назад
Very cool looking but a few observations from a designer standpoint, in such a small space I would go for sliding doors and would make an effort to eliminate all those corners. They just take up space and create a sense of clutter als stuff tends to gather in them and then you have actual clutter!
@danieldugas2165
@danieldugas2165 4 года назад
Sweet sailing yacht
@alejandroperelmann9952
@alejandroperelmann9952 4 года назад
Nice job testing the new born..What I miss: main sheet traveler, a second staysail, and I wonder if she has a genset and a water maker...😊 Thanks for the ride!
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Alejandro Perelmann second staysail is an option, as is a genset and water maker
@timdick825
@timdick825 4 года назад
Technology has moved on: no need for a staysail which makes tacking the jib difficult. 105% jib + Code 0 makes things easy and fast. A strong vang can give you most of the flexibility of a traveller with today's zero-stretch sails.
@drx1xym154
@drx1xym154 2 года назад
IDK, you are paying for the performance - it is not an "inexpensive" 53' performance cruiser. Of course it is often not the cost of the boat, yet the cost of everything after... $480K Euro? as shown, $850K Euro...well that is more like it. Two heads, nice galley - though a proper dodger + bimini would be excellent - though I understand maybe no the best option for "performance". The carbon fiber mast and hull construction look first class. Those old Amels are also nice too ... yet, way more old school, cira 2000 - though even the new ones look nice - yet they are more of a cruising boat and have a very well protected center cockpit. Some day!
@trendtradertrender4328
@trendtradertrender4328 4 года назад
Very nice one Toby, fantastic work as always...might need to get rid of my Solaris 50 now :-)
@1239874able
@1239874able 3 года назад
thank you .
@gustavoperry9294
@gustavoperry9294 4 года назад
Great review, beatifull yacht
@Dunwang
@Dunwang 3 года назад
My god.. This is the first boat that makes me wonder if should sell my house and live on a boat instead.
@andtothewestamerica
@andtothewestamerica 3 года назад
I've watched this video a few times this year and thought exactly the same thing
@adamgoldberg
@adamgoldberg 3 года назад
If you have to wonder, I think the answer is probably "yes".
@ilovewindex487
@ilovewindex487 3 года назад
Hope you have an expensive house
@sfopaladin2661
@sfopaladin2661 3 года назад
Ohh my gawd!!! The amount of room is like a condo. When I saw the open space first thought was selling my house as well. We all had the same thoughts when we saw the saloon. This will open the door to competition and finally listening to the owners wants & wishes.
@ProductionJunction1
@ProductionJunction1 3 года назад
Not a wasted word there Sam.
@geoffreyewenson8039
@geoffreyewenson8039 3 года назад
lorenzo wearing the ghost hat! NICE
@marcellobernabucci7970
@marcellobernabucci7970 4 года назад
Toby one of the best boat testers, it is a pleasure to follow his very detailed videos. About the Mast? Isn't it stepped on the keel?
@elitedavidhorne8494
@elitedavidhorne8494 4 года назад
That's a pretty boat.
@hotenhitonokoe2848
@hotenhitonokoe2848 3 года назад
nice video
@bryonensminger7462
@bryonensminger7462 4 года назад
I would have given an option to put some kind of sleek low back rest to the helm benches so you wouldn't be rolled out back word in heavy seas
@ingriddubbel8468
@ingriddubbel8468 4 года назад
Its backward not back word. Back word spent make ANY. sense.
@bryonensminger7462
@bryonensminger7462 4 года назад
@@ingriddubbel8468 you don't like the way I write dont read it
@bossHogOG
@bossHogOG 4 года назад
Ingrid Dubbel I understood what he meant. get a life
@Erin-Thor
@Erin-Thor 4 года назад
🍩 ☕️
@supersevenn
@supersevenn 3 года назад
@@ingriddubbel8468 your real name is probably Karen!
@robertbrody4032
@robertbrody4032 4 года назад
I like this boat and I'm sure it'll sail well. My only major issue is the interior. It's not exactly high-end looking. It almost looks cheap and no nav station/dedicated desk is a mistake. We'll see how the design evolves. Lack of a traveler is odd, but maybe that can be addressed.. I currently own a Beneteau 393 and plan to go bigger in a few years, so let's see what Beneteau does next.
@patbanta
@patbanta 3 года назад
Not too shabby down below most race boats your head is a bucket.
@ArcticSeaCamel
@ArcticSeaCamel 4 года назад
Really like the wooden table top edges and the overall look. I think I’ll do something like that. 😅
@emocionarium
@emocionarium 2 года назад
WOW!!!
@infovet2679
@infovet2679 4 года назад
no sun and rain protection?
@ScotChef
@ScotChef 11 месяцев назад
I want to sail the world now in this boat she's beautiful.
@manuellopes8281
@manuellopes8281 4 года назад
I imgine that they are making a more racing oriented version like gran soleil did
@brianjoyce9040
@brianjoyce9040 4 года назад
Lotta boat for speed AND comfort. PROPS TO DESIGNERS
@davidblair6276
@davidblair6276 2 года назад
Sprayhood and Bimini are available on the option list.
@robertw3299
@robertw3299 4 года назад
Very nice just one million short for the purchase
@James-kb5mx
@James-kb5mx 4 года назад
You have -444,273?
@shanevillis4079
@shanevillis4079 4 года назад
$781K Aus for me to buy it, the missus would much prefer a catamaran for that price. And I can't afford either haha
@barking.dog.productions1777
@barking.dog.productions1777 4 года назад
I would prefer proper latches on the cabinet doors. I just get a vision of provisions all over the cabin and all the storage doors swing around wildly at the worst time.
@HolfTim
@HolfTim 4 года назад
11:45 not sure if that is stainless steel, maybe aluminum?
@chrisbouris3699
@chrisbouris3699 4 года назад
most anticipated review for 2019. With a B/D under 30% the 2.5 draft boat its a disappointment. The 3m optional version will be certainly more powerful but yet....
@markperry4220
@markperry4220 4 года назад
Nice looking deck and rig. The interior looked stark and cheap.
@johnwhitneykokalis9990
@johnwhitneykokalis9990 3 года назад
interiors on Modern Yachts are looking more like a Recreation Vehicles interiors than a nautical ,traditional themed yacht interior. sad
@jjames2162
@jjames2162 4 года назад
The only boat I like better than this is the new Swan 48 - great review Toby thank you
@lbyvik
@lbyvik 3 года назад
Wow
@javiercifrian2787
@javiercifrian2787 3 года назад
A pitty all yards now are installing magnetic latches everywhere. Easy to imagine a lot of damage in not very rough seas.
@albertbremner8173
@albertbremner8173 4 года назад
Couldn't see it but i'm pretty sure you don't need a chart table anymore if you have digital nav displays at the helm above. Lovely boat btw.
@bigkiwial
@bigkiwial 4 года назад
Untill you get a power outage, if you cant use a chart dont go to sea.
@albertbremner8173
@albertbremner8173 4 года назад
@@bigkiwial luckily i can...been an instrument pilot for 25 years now. You make a good point though.
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 4 года назад
@@bigkiwial you still don't need a specific chart table to use a paper chart..
@MintedYachts
@MintedYachts 4 года назад
Sweet. That was the First 53 in Cannes? Nice Video! Cheers. Tony FLYachtPro / Denison
@yachtingworld
@yachtingworld 4 года назад
Yes it's the same boat
@DavidSmith-ql3zp
@DavidSmith-ql3zp 4 года назад
Engine room etc?
@Erin-Thor
@Erin-Thor 4 года назад
Great video! Beautiful boat! You might want to ask the crew to hush for the short time you’re recording... the beginning was a bit distracting. Yes I know, not a big deal... but if your goal is to sell the thing and create a professional viewing experience, a comment to them might help improve the video by lessening the distraction. 😎
@blueskyredkite
@blueskyredkite 4 года назад
450,000 base price, 850,000 with the options?! WTF?! It looks spartan as it is, what options did they choose?! That price is heading into Discovery territory, budget my arse!
@smannee
@smannee 4 года назад
I understand the design philosophy but what do you when there’s bad weather out?
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 4 года назад
You deal with it, as sailors have done since the beginning of sailing.
@wckoek
@wckoek 3 года назад
I remember 5 years ago looking at the Sense 55 with all the ooh ah's and 5 years later it disintegrated into some 100k quality boat. I wouldn't buy one if it is same build quality as the Sense, in contrast a CNB Bordeaux 60 cost slightly cheaper or similar today and still looking good after more than a decade, but only time can tell. Hope the interior fit and finish would be better and they use some modern synthetic teak which looks good longer. So would you guys buy this or a used CNB 60 and save the money if you can afford the boat?
@eliasghosn6754
@eliasghosn6754 3 года назад
CNB is a Beneteau company, too. Why would you think there is a difference in building materials between them? But to answer your question: I would buy this over the CNB 60 because of the sail plan and hull design.
@wckoek
@wckoek 3 года назад
@@eliasghosn6754 Step in a Sense, they are about 5-6 years old now, and compare to a CNB which is more than 10 years old, it is easy to tell the difference in build quality and durability. I don't know the current build quality of First 53 and the Yacht line, but for more than 600k, I wouldn't want something that only stand for like 3-4 years of use. Yes, it is more modern and comfortable and not too extreme, I am only commenting on the bad build quality of 2010's Beneteau, compare the Oceanis to their earlier "Clipper" line. I might also consider Amel 50 or Italia 50 for the price/target market.
@boardelia
@boardelia 2 года назад
Interior quality is crap, i saw the expo boat at Cannes and had already worn (laminated) wood inside. For a 800k turn key price i expected much better quality... You can add to your boat list Solaris, Swan, Oyster and Mylius, all beautiful and quality yachts
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 4 года назад
Quite a price jump! Engine room?
@mopsnuf
@mopsnuf 4 года назад
Yeah! I jumped up hearing 370k options on a 480k yacht.
@jbalti
@jbalti 4 года назад
Engine room must be under the stairs between rear cabins like all Beneteau. Not a good option in my opinion, for such a price I think Amel 50 makes a lot more sense.
@z_actual
@z_actual 3 года назад
oddly reminiscent of the Swan 48
@billyslaironair8860
@billyslaironair8860 4 года назад
I wanna do this one day she's such a beauty
@larssolem2507
@larssolem2507 4 года назад
would be pretty useless in Scandinavia or other cold places as condensation would be a massive problem. owever a very nice monhull and with good sailing performance.
@mausplan3890
@mausplan3890 4 года назад
and for long passages lousy with that exposed twin wheel setup. It seems like the designer breed an 18foot skiff with a Winnebago .
@shanevillis4079
@shanevillis4079 4 года назад
It's designed for Med moorings, like they all are these days
@WinWindowS.K.Julian
@WinWindowS.K.Julian 4 года назад
Bit disappointed it doesn't even have an option for a traveler
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 2 года назад
Anyone else that wants to see something about the Rapido 60 and/or the Bañuls 53 tri?
@petermichael2504
@petermichael2504 2 года назад
Not much cockpit shelter if it's blowing cold rain
@brucebaker3523
@brucebaker3523 4 года назад
850 is a whole lota kit over base.
@blagger42
@blagger42 3 года назад
What is code 0?
@ZoneTelevision
@ZoneTelevision 3 года назад
This is like an "affordable" WALLY ?
@boardelia
@boardelia 2 года назад
Nop...
@weprinfilms
@weprinfilms 2 года назад
That was my first thought too. Or at least a sort of mini maxi yacht in style. Maybe not quite at the quality level of a WALLY though or even a SWAN. The new SWAN 48 is looking a bit prettier and more luxe than this copycat.
@nunosantiago2273
@nunosantiago2273 4 года назад
No navigation table??
@shanevillis4079
@shanevillis4079 4 года назад
Why do you need one?? You do everything on a laptop and/or tablet now
@nunosantiago2273
@nunosantiago2273 4 года назад
@@shanevillis4079 You may do it that way. I don't. I've seen too many electronic failures.
@shanevillis4079
@shanevillis4079 4 года назад
@@nunosantiago2273 Each to their own, but I'd say, you'll find fewer and fewer boats with a nav table into the future
@user-mm4je4jz5z
@user-mm4je4jz5z 3 года назад
Review beneteau ocean is 62
@airbear9445
@airbear9445 3 года назад
A million bucks for closter phobic berths and a rotten deck. The Hallberg 53 with nonslip grp deck I'd prefer for lower maintenance and comfort. Function equals beauty, not image.
@ManSingh-hu8ux
@ManSingh-hu8ux 4 года назад
No traveller?
@atakd
@atakd 3 года назад
The boat for people who know more about dreaming than sailing. I'm sure it will be perfect...until it's launched.
@paulbowler7302
@paulbowler7302 2 года назад
Toby... why is there never any breeze when you review a yacht????
@jaspersilus
@jaspersilus 4 года назад
£850 000, now I know Im from the north, but £850 000!
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Jasper Silus A Swan 54 would cost you £2m
@siyrov
@siyrov 4 года назад
I wonder how it will show itself in the northern seas, this is the main test for boats and their performance.
@robwestern7702
@robwestern7702 4 года назад
Really nice but not really homely if your going to be on passage more like a sparce caravan readymade for local travel shame though the outside has great lines and is a beautiful lady
@maccashaz
@maccashaz 4 года назад
Great roomy interior and a credit to the designers. They failed in the cockpit if as you say, this is a cruisers boat not a racer. There is no comfort for the helmsman other than a "park bench" to sit on. walk all the way around the benches to walk f'ward- never happen for crew. It needs a solid canopy to fix solar panels to and proper protection from the elements if your world cruising, not a fold up Bimini as you suggest is available. this is an overpriced racer with limited creature comforts for people who will not world cruise. Sorry if that hurts Mr Beneteau, but some one has to say it. Toby won't, I don't think I have ever heard him really bag a boat design???
@guyhmajor
@guyhmajor 3 года назад
Spot on.Cruising across the channel on a nice summer's day great. Big sea's, bad weather and your cruising for a bruising.
@RomainSandt
@RomainSandt 4 года назад
surprisingly the shape of the Hull isn't very modern. Doesn't look more modern than the First 50 they did years ago.
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Romain Sandt were you expecting chines?
@RomainSandt
@RomainSandt 4 года назад
@@samcooper5748 maybe...
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Chines are so 2012! Compared to the 50 this is far wider with the beam carried further aft, the narrow beam at the waterline aft increases with heel giving you extra stability whilst not compromising the light airs performance too much
@RomainSandt
@RomainSandt 4 года назад
@@samcooper5748 I'm not a naval architect...
@sillyoldbastard3280
@sillyoldbastard3280 3 года назад
BP850K lol. You'd go for cat at that price.
@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518
@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518 3 года назад
Only 15 tons? That is very light for 53 footer
@Toob41
@Toob41 3 года назад
Yes, probably the lightship displacement
@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518
@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518 3 года назад
@@Toob41 Yeah, that's probably it. Thanks for clearing it up :)
@fc15min
@fc15min 4 года назад
can I be as a test guy on deck.... :D
@tbucknor
@tbucknor 4 года назад
@Martynas Sadlauskas How about taking a test 'girl'?
@thomaselliott573
@thomaselliott573 4 года назад
Benetau have been known for many years for compromise but they deserve an award for this pop out plastic.
@thegreatmonster
@thegreatmonster 4 года назад
A lot of boat for that money.
@andreflavell2689
@andreflavell2689 2 года назад
They struggle to sell this model
@dmitryosipov7352
@dmitryosipov7352 4 года назад
Why do they make interiors like in a hospital?
@cjpsmachado
@cjpsmachado 3 года назад
It's still just a Beneteau, give it 5 years and it will look like 30 years old
@michaeltca3103
@michaeltca3103 Год назад
Nice! -- QUESTION -- Why don't they make this style of interior and exterior in a circumnavigating world cruiser. ie the minimalist interior etc., but with the large fuel tanks, proper keel and some form of dodger/bimini system. That could be the perfect sailboat.
@steveburton5825
@steveburton5825 4 года назад
You can keep it... it looks like it was built in Sweden at Ikea and it would be miserable in any sort of a blow. Looks great around the marina though... 400K in options is ridiculous.
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Steve Burton don’t forget the base price mentioned doesn’t include local taxes, the £850k figure includes 20% vat
@samack3
@samack3 4 года назад
6:59 did an elephant just fart?
@bobbob6472
@bobbob6472 4 года назад
If my math is correct, that was a Harken Elephant.
@timwright4676
@timwright4676 3 года назад
I’d take a Swan 48 over this.
@heathdaniel2025
@heathdaniel2025 4 года назад
First
@warjacare
@warjacare 3 года назад
Please don't touch the seabed. The keel will come through the boat's bottom and flood it. Like the Bavarias.
@danknox9986
@danknox9986 3 года назад
No traveler. On a Bennie First that’s not acceptable
@weprinfilms
@weprinfilms 2 года назад
Agreed. Although, I think I saw in the options list for the more hardcore version you can have a traveler. Of course this looks like the hardcore version what worth the carbon mast and all. In fairness, that heavy vang probably gives you most of what a traveler would do.
@FighterFred
@FighterFred 4 года назад
I guess they went for sailing equipment instead of interior quality. A nice weekend cruiser for the Med, for a few years. Zero thought about liveaboards that want to cross oceans.
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Beneteau have another company that caters for live aboard needs, it’s called Lagoon. The live aboard market is tiny in the overall market place
@samcooper5748
@samcooper5748 4 года назад
Different people prepared to live aboard different boats. People forget this boat comes from a country that runs a race across the Atlantic in 21ft boat... Some people live in a house that is full of stuff and furniture, others live in a house that is modern, minimal and with large open spaces
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 4 года назад
what is it with you cruiserfolk that you can never appreciate a boat for what it is designed for...it's like looking at a ferrari and complaining that you can't take it off road...
@gregarioussolitudinist5695
@gregarioussolitudinist5695 2 года назад
trying to imagine the muscles in the neck that are deployed to so severely limit the ability to speak.
@olavthyvold2288
@olavthyvold2288 4 года назад
I cant say that this yacht does much for me. It doesn't seem like a cruiser and it sure isn't a racer. Nor is it a performance yacht - no traveler????. the interior is nothing new. The layout is pretty poor for a 53' yacht. The second head is ridiculous with the lack of legroom by the door into the aft cabin. Overall it seems uninspired. Perhaps that explains Toby's lackluster review. Not a Beneteau hater at all. I just think they missed the mark in a major way with this model.
@olavthyvold2288
@olavthyvold2288 4 года назад
@balls bag I sail a Farr 1020 - a NZ 34' cruiser racer by Bruce Farr.
@plumberplumber6528
@plumberplumber6528 4 года назад
14:24...: regarding the price... "850..." 850 what?? peanuts, apples, Euros, Pound, US Dollars, Zimbabwe Dollars???
@yachtingworld
@yachtingworld 4 года назад
Apologies - Euros
@plumberplumber6528
@plumberplumber6528 4 года назад
Thanks for a fast reply. I apologise for the sarcasm. It was not necessary.
@jamesnield
@jamesnield 4 года назад
Nope.
@season2julian381
@season2julian381 4 года назад
Kinda looks like a copy of a swan 48
@weprinfilms
@weprinfilms 2 года назад
Yep exactly. Like a cheaper copy of the Sean 48. I actually discovered the new swan 48 after looking at this first 53 and said “oh that’s more like it!” I’ve really got my eye on the Swan 48 for a new charter business.
@mausplan3890
@mausplan3890 4 года назад
So no A/C, water maker or USB charging station for all the electrical gadgets, no integrated solar, wind turbine or auto pilot. Let me guess , no bow truster and it sticks to a propane stove instead of induction. I don't this the designer knew what he wanted. Why not all electric
@boardelia
@boardelia 4 года назад
All these are options
@mausplan3890
@mausplan3890 4 года назад
@balls bag Hi It is a beautiful boat but honestly I cannot understand what the designer was intending the boat to be used for. Is it a coastal cruiser , a harbour racer or a long passage cruiser. IMHO it seems to be trying to be a jack of all trades. The Amel range as a counter point have a clear role.
@mausplan3890
@mausplan3890 4 года назад
@balls bag touchy -are you an investor or what .
@mausplan3890
@mausplan3890 4 года назад
@balls bag must be tiresome typing one handed
@donaldvanvliet9039
@donaldvanvliet9039 4 года назад
balls bag feral youtube sailor lol...i'm gonna use this
@brucemckechnie3255
@brucemckechnie3255 4 года назад
15 tonnes........once again ..too heavy Mr Beneteau
@aardvarkmindshank
@aardvarkmindshank 4 года назад
What a horrible IKEA interior. Yuck.
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