It's because he tried to hope that Pyle's training would snap him out of it, where he has been mentally conditioned to listen to him talk like that for 3 months with no question. He didn't have a lot of time to think, and reverting to a nice voice of pleading with him might make him want to shoot more.
@@rgw7345 Yeah, I'd imagine it'd be almost as much of an insult to act softer and kinder in that situation as acting hard and..Well drill sergeant-y. Like, "oh yeah now you're being nice to me cause I have this gun aren't ya?" Like someone being overly happy and joyed around someone really depressed I suppose
Our instructors in Australian army would tell anyone who was useless in our platoon to carry a pot plant around with them to compensate for the oxygen they're wasting.
The ironic thing is the guy who played Pyle was actually in better shape than any of the other actors(excluding gunny) before this movie. He gained the weight for the role.
And the post boot camp part was completely disjointed and out of synch in tone and in pitch. It was two completely different movies and couldn't be reconciled into a final seamless transition.
How on earth was the amazing R Lee Ermey not nominated for his performance in FMJ? Seriously one of the most powerful and memorable performances in screen history.
I was just about to say that. He wasn't acting. He was just playing himself in his drill instructor days. Acting us to take on a whole nother personal, to dive intonthat character's psyche, and experience and convey that characters pain and misery.
R. Lee Ermey won the golden globe for best actor for his portrayal in full metal jacket. He was nominated for best actor but the academy didn’t give him the award for best actor because they considered him too not be acting since he was was a drill sergeant in the marines. Although he wrote over 150 specific insults and individual lines during the boot camp scenes.
I watched this the night before I went to Marine Corps Boot Camp. I laughed when I watched it, but I wasn’t laughing when I got there. Someone swatted a sand flea while we were in formation. We had to dig a 6 foot hole and bury it with an impromptu eulogy. The drill instructor asked us if it was male or female and we said we didn’t know. He made us dig it back up. We had to identify the sex. Some poor navy corpsman kicked a pigeon out of his way on the parade deck. A colonel saw it and made him stand out there for four hours saluting every pigeon that came by. Parris Island was awesome.
C. Dawg Knight it wouldn’t surprise me if most of the boot camp was improvised. That would be the best. Imagine the acting call, “We are look for 30 men to get yelled at and try not to cry.”
The most disturbing is the soap in the towel beating. He really played that part well. You can hear the pain and the tone that's questioning, "why"? This is a masterpiece of a film, but at the same time some of the most disturbing scenes I have seen in my almost 42 years on this earth.
Fullmetal jacket is a two part movie, the first part was a critique to the raf system and the Inhumane treatment of the privates. Private Pyle is indeed a big focus in this first half, his descense to madness by pure psychological torture, boot camp is the fits movie and Vietnam is the second, animal mother is the representation what private pyle was supposed to become, a hearthless bastard eager to kill.
"Outstanding Private Pyle I think we found something where you do well" That right there proves Sgt Hartman didn't hate or discriminate private pyle at all. He was genuinely proud he was a gifted marksman
Sgt Hartman wanted the best for Pyle. When a drill instructor picks on you the most, deep down, that private is technically the favorite (unless you're disrespecting the corps), and when Pyle showed that he was a great gunner, I bet Hartman was proud.
Man, I really felt bad for Leonard when they beat him. Nice enough guy, but he just wasn't cut out for that kind of life. It really did break him. Short scene but hard to watch, felt sorry for him. Excellent work all around conveying that.
@@Rellana1 Yeah, I honestly think he felt like they'd have his back, but they hurt him in ways that the Drill Sergeant couldn't. They broke his trust in them. I have no doubt that things like this happen in the real world military, but how could someone ever trust their fellow soldiers / Marines after doing that to them. They really should have had his back and encouraged him more.
@@nathannicholson2933 its the sargeant who provokes that reaction. He says so himself during the jelly doughnut scene, its implied of course he doesnt actually say it. You have to step outside the boundaries of the movie and think how much shit these guys had to go through because pyle couldnt cut it. Remember: they get punished, not him. These men were put under extreme psychological distress and pressure, they are being readied for war, the natural outcome of this would always be them eventually venting their frustration. The sargeant knows this and hopes it will straighten out pyle, since hes exhausted all other methods he can think of. It didnt work out.
Meh, all of this situation wouldnt happen. Maybe when the draft was in place. But nowadays and even back then if you go to bootcamp you can literally quit. A lot of people quit and nothing will happen to you, it is expected for some to simply not endure and just quit although they will try to talk to you into staying. Dude knew what he was getting into and still didnt feel like leaving. Military service after ww2 was not obligatory.
It's sad because I think Hartman didn't hate Pyle, he just wanted to make him tougher and probably saw great potential in him, sadly it was just too much pressure..
Sadly some workers need this approach to make them more detailed oriented and hard working. I work with some lazy workers, there are days I want to be this guy.
I admire how Gunnery Sgt Hartman's concept of negotiation 101 is to speak calmly first and then yell even harder and rely absolutely in his dread aura.
When I was in boot, we had a guy who had the same problem you see with Pile at the 3 minute mark, when he got nervous or distraught he would get this grin and he couldn't help it. Poor dude must have been the god of push ups by the time we graduated.
When I was in basic training I couldn't take any of it seriously and the more they shouted the more I smirked, the more they castigated the more I grinned. I wasn't meant for the army. I tried but I just find aggressive authority hilarious. Did my time and fell out. Worst experience of my life.
Fun fact the guy who played the drill sergeant was actually meant to be the guy to train a actor to play a drill sergeant. He was so good they asked if he would do it. And he was a actual drill sergeant
The first 45 minutes this film are genuinely 10/10. A tense psychological thriller that has you laughing your ass off at times. Sadly, for me as soon as the armed combat section begins it simply pales in comparison to the first half. It’s still great but the difference is so noticeable to me.
@@chrisromero5302 then in the fog of war you got killed by the guy who you gave a blanket party and the truth never came out. Just another jarhead killed by a vietnamese soldier they thought. That is your brother not a punching bag
Shit like this makes life hell in bootcamp. I can remember being in the Medical Rehabilitation Platoon on Parris Island(broke foot, long story) and the shaving kits had to be passed out. People had their names on plastic ziplock bags containing their razor and shaving cream, and one particular recruit had to call out each man's name. One guy I remember named Hughes had his name misread into "Huggies". A grown man's name got turned into a diaper. All my shit was lost, and then the drill instructor damn near tossed me out into the sand except for the fact of my cast and crutches XD Good shit, man.
The jelly donut scene has to be the most real scene ever captured in cinema. Everything about it is perfect. Hartman's surprise at what's in the footlocker, you'd think Pyle swiped a grenade. Then Hartman holds it up for all to see and he holds it like it's a used condom. The entire scene is so random that it had to be real somewhere.
I actually had something similar to that happen to me during Basic. There was a rumor (yes, a RUMOR) that there was a contraband cell phone hidden somewhere in the training unit, and the whole fucking lot of us had to pile out of the barracks while the Drill Sargeants basically asked us one time for free "where is it?". Everyone looks left, everyone looks right... nobody's raising their hands or stepping forward. Now mind you, this was basically a battalion sized number of people we're talking about here, and the sheer volume of space that such an item could theoretically be hidden was enormous, so basically the only way this matter was getting resolved was if someone confessed to it. What followed was basically an agonizing period of being smoked HARD, all of us, until somebody fessed up. I'm talking pushups, jumping jacks, all of it; and after about a 100 of each, they'd ask again "where is it?". We ended up going through all the basic moves until they got REALLY pissed and told us to hold our arms out in a T-pose. Now, that doesn't seem so bad, until you realize that none of you outside the military have ever had to hold your arms out for more than 10 seconds at a time... past a couple minutes it's the worst torture you can possibly imagine; motherfuckers I considered hard who did hundreds of sets were wobbling and shouting for someone, ANYONE to take one for the team. Eventually, the Sargeants gave up and told everyone to go back to their bunks... but word down the grapevine the next day was that a certain individual that was known to be the battalion prick got found out, and before he got discharged he had his own Private Pyle moment where he had to be taken down to the med unit before they could process him out. So yes, shit like this absolutely happens in the military, and that wasn't even the most retarded shit I saw during my time in Basic.
That isnt bullying. They do it to get rid of the weak. You're in the military, if you cant handle mean words how you gonna handle bullets flying at you? Not to mention, in most cases, atleast in my country, these people can leave whenever you want. Voluntary releasing is very common for people who cant handle it
@@wacodraco1558 hows that? Because I dont think a drill sgt yelling at recruits is the same as bullying? Sorry I'm actually thinking rationally and not just saying somethings bullying if its mean
Pyle's character kills me inside , how he was treated was textbook on how quickly and badly someone can snap. On a brighter note though, that role launched him into a full successful entertainment career and he's a super nice humble guy.
Absolutely the greatest 10 minutes in the history of cinema, totally improved b y a real deal Marine. He actually scared the HELL out of the actors, all while cracking them up with the greatest material ever delivered.
I was married for 25 years to a Marine who served two tours in Nam (he was in the Corps 1964-68.) What is sad is that he came back a burnt out shell of a man. I met him in 1979 and he was exactly like the Ermey character...and the abuse I endured at his hand was brutal. Oh sure, he told me it was all for my general good, but when a man who is supposed to be your husband, who is supposed to have your best interests at heart, verbally castigates you day after day...I became like the Pyle character here, I tried so hard to be what he wanted me to be, then realized I was selling out my soul to someone who had zero clue what it meant to just be human....we divorced in 2006...he broke me real bad.
I'm so sorry that you had to endure that. I pray that the Lord would grant you His mercy and peace. That He would comfort you and restore your strength to you. In Jesus' name, Amen. War is not something to be taken lightly. It can destroy you. It's crazy how little it takes, when you think about it... Ms. Baum, I do hope that you are doing well.
War broke him Diane. I supposed risking your life everyday dodging bullets and explosives. Not knowing if you will be alive 1 second to the next. Seeing your buddies die right in front of you. War willl do that to a Man. Then everyone expects him to be normal back in society...
@@bryguysays2948 I knew all of this...and yet, he refused to seek help for his anger, which, over time grew even worse. It didn't help that the VA had nothing to help these vets deal with all of that anger, either. The government never admitted how bad Agent Orange was until finally in the early 2000's. He had many health issues that we knew were from that. So yes, war broke him...and I also broke dealing with his pain.
Yea some people literally can't cope and crack. Maybe not as spectacularly as Pyle, but people's psyches are destroyed by the pressure. This movie shows just about the worst case scenario that that type of motivation can lead to. Some people just aren't meant to be marines or killers at all.
+Baron Ockslite I'm a retired US Army Combat Sergeant and I agree with you...there are some that just can't make it...peace to them. I hope they make it in life...I was this way when I was younger, but now that I am older..I am hard as a rock. I could take it now, no problem. But back then maybe not so much. In the end...each to his own...Ol Sarge...
+Baron Ockslite Actually it does make me wander about how the draft worked. Did they have a choice in which service or was it like one guy army, the other guy marines etc.
+Mosixman The point of such exercises is for the failure to realize the consequences of his errors. In a team, if one fucks up, the entire team goes down with em. Same goes for vice versa. It's a double-edged sword philosophy, in my opinion
To a certain degree...yes. As having been in Marine Corps Boot Camp in 1986, I know that the Drill Instructors all had these conversations with the recruits each and everyday, and you would here some pretty good stuff. And yes, some of the jargon was repeated quite often, and I am sure shared and passed around between the Drill Instructors to have at their disposal, yet they always kept it coming, from the time you got out of the rack, till the time you hit the rack. All part of the process. God Bless Chesty Puller, wherever you are.
That was one scene that I never saw coming, but when it did it disturbed be too the core and I’ve never forgot it. That director knew what he was doing. He put the shock into war movies that helped civilians like myself to understand a bit better what war really is.
Dude I just posted a comment saying the same thing. Swear I didn’t plagiarize. When Pyle blew his brains out I figured it was time to get up and go. But I was there another who knows how long.
What makes this movie great was that Ernery did a lot of this without reading some pre made hollywood script and was allowed to just wing it naturally impromptu which is what makes it more realistic. It exactly how DIs just come up with phrases in the moment
That's how a gunny is supposed to be. And R. Lee Ermey may have played a few racists, but having met him, I found him to be a forthright, decent, and quite funny man. I try my best to gauge people on my own interactions with them if possible.
He was a rookie back then. Stanley Kubrick was very impressed as well, especially after filming the toilet room scene which he got right after only two takes if i remember correctly. Stanley considered that scene to be very crucial. Watch this interview where he Vincent D'Onofrio (Private Pyle) recounts those Stanley Kubrick moments ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZjVLAdNlrNs.html&t.
I'm commenting for the simple fact that there are terms that are interchangeable in the civilian world. Civvies use these terms, not as a derogatory form of speech, just simply not knowing. Marine Corp: Senior Drill Instructor or Drill Instructor (SDI/DI) Army: Drill Sergeant Marine Corp: Marine (never "FORMER" Marine or "EX" Marine. Marine is a title that we earn and we are Marines till the end of time) Army: Soldier (to add to the above, NEVER call a Marine a soldier) Marine Corp: Doc (Medical Personnel. Always Navy) Army: Medic (Army Personnel) Marine Corp: Helo (He-Low) (Helicopter) Army: Chopper (Dutch-"Get to the choppa" IFYKYK) The Helo example hits home cuz when I was in BC, I unknowingly called a helo a chopper and my DI shit himself and then smoked my ass. "Chopper?! What is this, the F'in Army?! Those are helos! Snakes in the sky!" (Cobras) Source: 2/4 Fox Co WPNS Plt-Tighter than your sister's ass. Get Some!
What makes this whole opening half so hard for me, is that Kubrick sneaks in that scene where they're at the rifle range and Hartman tells Pyle that they may have found something he excelled at. As a viewer I remember how sad I felt that Kubrick gave me the slightest hope for that character, but from then forward he just goes off the deep end.
@@joseph_b319 Drill instructors I've asked about it do feel proud when they successfully beat a man into shape. Especially when they manage to do it with pathological fuck-ups like Pvt. Pyle/Laurence. They have to come down the hardest on the underachievers, and they know that the harder they come down on them the greater the chance that the underachiever might just wash out/quit. So turning an underachiever into a capable marine holds a fair bit of satisfaction for the D.I
A part of me wonders if some of the scenes where they switched angles was due to the actors or people laughing offscreen, and having to reshoot scenes. Notice how several times they show Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann talking to the recruit in a side by side shot. Then they would often switch to a scene where you could only see Hartmann's face, because the actors couldn't keep a straight face while being insulted by R. Lee Ermey. It worked great though, because it made Hartmann that much more imposing while hiding the actor's facial reactions to make the scene even more believable to audiences.
Every line he had in this movie made me laugh😂 but only one made me laugh tears and die. "What is that private Pyle?!" "A jelly donut sir!" "A JELLY DONUT?!?!"🤣🤣🤣🤣
Met him at my first Marine Corps Ball and got a picture with him. At the time he was also pushing an effort to get a statute built for Drill Instructors at each of the Recruit Depots. R.I.P. Gunney
Semper. Yeah, I met him after I got out down in San Diego at an event he attended. He was hanging out with Commandant Krulak after he had retired at some event for the bank. Either way, he was a great great man. Hartman was pretty much him turned up to about 15.
R. Lee Ermey stole the fucking show. He owned every scene he was in. They should not have killed him off so soon. A whole movie with that crazy bastard would have been fricking awesome.
Imagine his character going to Vietnam and starting to break at some point, when for example being under fire. Like crying. Imagine the impact it would have on viewers to see that guy crying.
@@josephniepce7887 All Quiet on the Western Front features something like that. The protagonist and their company get abused by their corporal before being shipped off to the trenches. Some time later, the corporal gets demoted and put in the same trenches with the men he trained, and the men get their sweet revenge.
@@josephniepce7887 not even remotely anything that character would do. DI’s are there to train combat killing soldiers. A DI’s training is intense. He would never break down crying.
@@jameslasley5881 You're both correct. The majority of R Lee Ermey's insults are improvised (according to Wikipedia) and he was definitely a USMC Drill Instructor during Vietnam.
He was supposed to have that smirk. It was the beginning of the issue between him and the drill instructor. I'm sure Ermey was hilarious, but it is part of the story line. Gomer was a screw up.
Ermey''d arrived up there a happy and proud man! Seeing all that discipline and glory in line for his arrival! I bet they even sung for him when he walked through the gates!....ps he's still keeping an eye on Pvt Cowboy.....(Only steers n queers come from Texas, n cowboy doesnt look like much of a steer. so that kinda narrows it down!)
cartgamerYT carter Sir it is the private’s duty to inform the senior drill instructor that Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded sir!!
Nemo Chicky, Now you listen to me, Private Pyle, and you listen good, I want that weapon and I want it now. You will place the rifle on the deck of your feet and step back away from it.
I love that just like a bystander we almost end up going along with or laughing at everything the instructors saying to pyles until it goes too far , then we realize what we were laughing and going along with
Not good, R. Lee Ermy (the Sergeant) was a real DI during Vietnam and said that the character in the movie was a terrible DI and he played it that way on purpose.
The difference between this movie and reality, is that the Senior DI is the most relaxed. The Junior DIs were the ball busters. I know it's Hollywood, but still. And yes, the jelly donut scene happens to each platoon at least once in Basic Training.
casualguy393 The Navy apparently uses Marine DI’s at OCS, which is a tradition dating back to days when the Navy and Marines shared an OCS. Do you think Marine DI’s are more relaxed at Navy OCS?
@@aycc-nbh7289 That's hard to say braddah. I can imagine they are (would be?) still tough on them but I wasn't an officer or a squid ;) The Navy does have some fine peeps in it though.
When I was in army basic in 2014 it was peanut butter from the mess hall, and MREs for my platoon. 😑 But one time during training we went to a joint mess hall where we were dining with Navy, Marines, and Air Force. Our DIs let our PGs march us to lunch, while waiting to enter the building everyone in every squad was talking in formation except for the Marine squad. I respected the hell out of Marines after that. And one morning during a PT run we passed a Marine platoon on base running in full ACS. Boots, and PCs. My jaw hit floor that morning. 🤣🤣 Marines are beasts I don’t care what anyone says.
@@khaleelurrivers3410 I knew some Army Dawgs that were tough as nails too. Not only them, but they could have easily made it through Marine Basic Training. I am not sure why they chose the Army, but they did, and they excelled at it. I was an M60 gunner, and for some reason my A-gunner, who was supposed to be carrying at least a few belts of 7.62, suddenly lost motivation and started falling out of humps, leaving the M60 with only 1 belt of ammo, which ran out in no time, then went silent. That happened a couple of times and after the team leader and I getting our ass chewed by the platoon commander for not motivating the A-gunner enough, we motivated his ass with our fists in the bush one trip to the field. He was 1 Unsat Marine who eventually washed out of the platoon and got some shitty job elsewhere.
How many DIs are assigned to a new recruit platoon in boot camp? I know there's the Senior DI but I'm assuming that he's assisted by at least 2 other junior ones.
R. Lee Ermey was a drill instructor before this movie. He is on record as saying his character was bad at his job because he was too hard on Pyle and didn't recognise his soldier was close to breaking. Cool guy.
You know what the amazing thing is? Ermey improvised every bit of this monologue. It was unscripted, it was unprepared, he was a drill instructor in real life. All of this stuff was improvised. Kudos to the other actors for managing to not cry and hide in a corner.
Spoken like a true civilian lol. Guess you thought this movie came out last year or you don't feel important enough at home lol. Stating old ass facts to those who lived this is funny lol
Private Pyle makes me laugh and cry at the same time... this movie is genius. It probably did that on purpose - the death of innocence. No wonder the music/ soundtrack when they beat him in the middle of the night is the same music as the scene of the bathroom shootout, and later, as the Vietnamese sniper
Luketheduke I think Imperius the Arch Angel of Valor (Diablo 3) will make Gunny the Drill Sergeant of the Angelic Forces to prepare for the The End of the World 😊😊😊
