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BEST Reels For the MONEY? *NEW* Shimano Saragosa and Daiwa BG MQ Unboxing 

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The new Shimano Saragosa SWA and Daiwa BG MQ might be two of the best saltwater spinning reels for what they offer and how much money they cost. Both could be the best saltwater spinning reel for the money in 2021. In today's video I unbox and give my initial impressions on the new 2020 Shimano Saragosa SW-A 10000PG and the 2020 Daiwa BG MQ 8000-H. Both of these saltwater spinning reels compete in the $250-$300 class and can do just about anything a serious fisherman may need.
I look forward to making a full review of the 2020 shimano saragosa swa and a full review of the daiwa bg mq!
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@jimfournier9065
@jimfournier9065 5 месяцев назад
I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative, everybody wants the biggest bang for their buck! Thank you.
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching!
@anthonytrujillo376
@anthonytrujillo376 2 года назад
Great info bro❤️ I subscribed to this feed, keep em coming
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 2 года назад
Absolutely will do!
@dylansavarese956
@dylansavarese956 3 года назад
the bushings are good for hard saltwater use like you know the bearings go the bushings hold up I've taken spool bearing out and thrown in teflon bearings and get the same performance in most open face conventional
@skylaryoung3750
@skylaryoung3750 3 года назад
I absolutely BEAT on my Saragosa’s they get splashed and banged around every outing on the kayak and trip after trip they produce with zero issues. I fresh rinse and dry them of course but outside of that I’ve never had an issue with them they are work horses
@gasparebrunetti6196
@gasparebrunetti6196 3 года назад
I have both on a 10000 great choice!!
@Ricko62
@Ricko62 3 года назад
Alan Hawks meticulous and unbiased reel review of the older Saragosa was "best medium priced saltwater reel" on the market. He has rated the newer Saragosa SWA version as an even better reel which he stated he didn't believe was possible. He also picked up on the Daiwa BG MQ's rear gear cover rubber seal and handle rubber seal as potential problems re salt intrusion.
@maasai-
@maasai- 2 года назад
AH is biased for sure , if u closely followed his reviews, now adays u can sell almost anything
@Ricko62
@Ricko62 2 года назад
@@maasai- I do, and stil the most meticulous & profesional reel inspections I have found. As for the bias, well.... if you say so 😒
@seaturtledad6596
@seaturtledad6596 Год назад
@@maasai- dude , stop being so negative.
@diegolopez6084
@diegolopez6084 26 дней назад
Can you do the review for the bg mq im interested in it and I would love to know how your experience been with it
@AMLuc1320
@AMLuc1320 2 месяца назад
Just had a read of Alan Hawks Daiwa BG MQ review that dropped about a month ago. He found a few issues and isn’t recommending the BG MQ in the medium to large sizes. Looks like Shimano will sell even more Saragosas now!
@spinfishingtr
@spinfishingtr Год назад
After a lot of problems with stella fj 4000 I decided to go on with daiwa bg mq 4000.
@zhuchai393
@zhuchai393 3 месяца назад
I bought the same reel too....but it Bg Mq 8000 ARK-H and i love it❤ reel that have ark means aluminium round knob handle...love it the reel can use all purpose like jigging,popping, and can bottom fishing,live bait for mackerel😊 i think BG for daiwa reel is means Big Game reel🎉
@FishingReviews
@FishingReviews 3 года назад
Nice review But I guess that Daiwa Blast is better than BG MQ if we talk about 6000 size. It has tuning opportunity. You can add 4 bearings into this reel and that is why I think small BLASTs is better than small BGs...
@williambenner5550
@williambenner5550 3 года назад
Killer video! Even though I am not in the market for reels this size right now, but I was highly curious about these two reels. I am looking for something around 4000 size for around 100 dollars.
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 3 года назад
You can’t beat the Daiwa BG (black gold) for that price point. Just ensure you are buying version marketed to the USA. The version made for the Japanese market is objectively inferior
@kc7270
@kc7270 2 года назад
@@RyanMorie how do we know were getting the US version?
@hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389
@hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389 3 года назад
After using them for a few hours that movement in the handle (gears) will be the same in the bg, Once it loosens up.my certate lt has it and my stradics.
@jackchn23
@jackchn23 3 года назад
My money is on the Gosa. It will keep going after the BG eats it. I also think Shimano has better customer service and warranty.
@allanreager6560
@allanreager6560 3 года назад
“Freedom units” I like it LOL
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 3 года назад
🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
@Cammo-vp1gl
@Cammo-vp1gl 2 года назад
Was tossing up between gosa and MQ in 6000. Just bought two 21 Saltist MQ reels. Itching to use them. Not a lot between them, Daiwa is lighter, stronger drag and newer design. Both are very good and worthy of purchasing in my opinion.
@owencorey9720
@owencorey9720 Год назад
6000 MQ, I’m loving it! It’s a solid reel and I’m hoping for many years of good use.
@UzunKamis
@UzunKamis 4 месяца назад
Take care of the line roller *bushing*
@DaveMars0
@DaveMars0 2 года назад
I need a shore jigging reel for my Majorcraft Solpara 1002h 60-100g. I would choose between Daiwa BG Mq, Shimano Saragosa, Penn Slammer 3 or 4 and Daiwa Saltist Ltd. What reel and size would you suggest me?
@brycedavis689
@brycedavis689 Год назад
What do you think about the daiwa bg mq after using it a while?
@arccibernardo22
@arccibernardo22 2 года назад
Hello sir, what PE did you used? And how many meters fits in? Thanks
@LilDino808
@LilDino808 2 года назад
I’m thinking about getting the stradic SW just because I like the color better then the gossa even though they are the same reel lol. Cool video Ryan.
@seaturtledad6596
@seaturtledad6596 Год назад
just get the saragosa and painted it to gunmetal color, chge the knob to gomexus, viola.. u got better ver of stradic
@williambonilla7224
@williambonilla7224 3 года назад
I have the bg mq 10k and the drag cap did break on me but I hooked onto like 5 over 7 foot sharks and actually landed a 7 foot bullshark before it broke and it’s more my fault for using it incorrectly than daiwa but it handles well imo
@MonkeySauce-tu5jm
@MonkeySauce-tu5jm 8 месяцев назад
What were you doing when you broke it?
@ourluckfishing2801
@ourluckfishing2801 3 года назад
I got a couple MQ’s recently and so far no complaints, hopefully it’ll stay that way
@ourluckfishing2801
@ourluckfishing2801 Год назад
@@TJXHT nah, I recently checked them after this last trip down to FL and I was playing around in the reels to see if anything needs work and it’s all good
@hunterhmb5083
@hunterhmb5083 9 месяцев назад
@@ourluckfishing2801 Hows do you find the reel, thinking of buying one
@eternalabyzz9386
@eternalabyzz9386 5 месяцев назад
how are they after 2 years??
@ourluckfishing2801
@ourluckfishing2801 5 месяцев назад
@@eternalabyzz9386 I sold them a few months back before Christmas but before selling them I had no issues everything performed like new
@OBCBTTB
@OBCBTTB 4 месяца назад
Caught a 60kg Yellowfin Tuna on the BG MQ 8000 ARK two weeks ago. The drag was fine, and the reel handled the fish with ease.
@costea67
@costea67 2 года назад
Hay , i like u coment by this two modells , but in my opions base on my experience , Daiwa it solid en smood , all that MQ they are great.
@gabrielduarte3904
@gabrielduarte3904 2 года назад
bushings in line rollers sometimes are better than ballbearings, for once, last generation's saragosas' line roller ballbearings were its weak side, almost everyone i know who has a last gen saragosa has had to replace these line roller bearings, yet i have to see anyone owning the previous BG changing the bushings in their line rollers due to malfunction.. also.. if you are dealing with bushings why would you need to seal the roller??
@theseabasshunter
@theseabasshunter 3 года назад
great review. I always thought that BG stands for Black and Gold, hence the color, or vice versa, the color, hence the name. Good fishing! Cheers!
@RevolutionRoad
@RevolutionRoad 3 года назад
That's for the black and gold version. The NEW BG is "Big Game"
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
@@RevolutionRoad just like the conventional. Probably the best conventional i owned a diawa big game
@monkeyslap
@monkeyslap 10 месяцев назад
@@RevolutionRoad Or Butt Grease.
@leonardlucioscordeirokusdr5119
@leonardlucioscordeirokusdr5119 2 года назад
Dear MR i live in Brasil, and i fish tuna in Brasil and i go one time per year to Panamá, for us the good sponning reel is very very expensive three time the USA price, nowadaqu i use the New BG 8000, is a good reel, but each year five fishing days one part broke and now my reel is more hard to move, I think the axle is bent. I intent to buy two new reel i three options to choose two, The Saragossa 18000, BG 18000MQ and Penn slammer IV8500HS. which of these do you recommend? I fish for big tuna, this year in June I caught tuna over 150 pounds
@MetalRush666
@MetalRush666 3 года назад
To me the Saragosa is goated at that price point esp as an offshore reel. You just can't beat it.
@MetalRush666
@MetalRush666 Год назад
@@TJXHT can't go wrong with A BG
@MetalRush666
@MetalRush666 Год назад
@@TJXHT Penn battle 3 I think has one and in the same price range. Idk what size your looking for but I think they run up to a 6k size.
@Thoeun-uj1sy
@Thoeun-uj1sy 3 месяца назад
Think the Saragossa will top it. . Looking to get one shortly
@frenchtoast963
@frenchtoast963 2 года назад
well as far as i know, the airrotor that daiwa used *is* made of zaion but instead they decide to use graphite reinforced plastic even though daiwa advertises it as airrotor??
@tint6968
@tint6968 3 года назад
When the new spheros coming out?
@tracereed7457
@tracereed7457 3 года назад
I’m excited to see the new saltist MQ
@shammzh122
@shammzh122 2 года назад
Yeahhh...saltist MQ 💪🔛
@SMC4117
@SMC4117 3 месяца назад
I’d say that the best bang for your buck would be a Shimano Sedona… I just retired mine after 20+ years of fresh and saltwater use. Not bad for $64!!!🎣
@mrfish49el
@mrfish49el 3 года назад
I got lucky found a new Daiwa Catalina 6500h locally for 500
@AnglingAddictssrilanka
@AnglingAddictssrilanka 3 года назад
Definitely will choose Saragosa over MQ. Shimano>Daiwa any day because any Daiwa i would want to buy would be mag sealed, hence i cannot service myself...we do not have Daiwa dealer on our country...so that's poop.
@mak.kau_bandar00
@mak.kau_bandar00 3 года назад
Saragosa all the Way... Even tho i own Old BG
@anonymous-yj4dl
@anonymous-yj4dl 2 года назад
What are a rod and reel that are perfect for 65lb braid
@KaptanlaBalkPesinde
@KaptanlaBalkPesinde 2 года назад
Daiwa bg mq 5000dh vs saragosa sw 6000hg which one
@justfishing6686
@justfishing6686 2 года назад
Good video
@a.g.williams5631
@a.g.williams5631 2 года назад
Penn reel $36.00 Walmart A little 3000. Freezer overflowing with fish. Reds. Black drum, speckled trout, you name it.
@rachid.53
@rachid.53 Год назад
💩
@0riginall337
@0riginall337 3 года назад
Not really an equal lineup. Gosa vs the new saltist would be a good comparison
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 3 года назад
Agreed but didn’t necessarily need the exact same reel for the purposes of this video! Couldn’t get my hand on Saltist MQ either. Maybe I will in the future
@manuelescobedo4343
@manuelescobedo4343 3 года назад
How do you use the spool shins do I just add more if my braid is not laying properly
@empstheruler
@empstheruler 3 года назад
You’re going to have to add them or take some away depending on if your braid is spooling more towards to top or bottom.
@evemorie4730
@evemorie4730 3 года назад
ありがとうございます
@davesiu680
@davesiu680 2 года назад
I dont think "BG MQ" is in the league as Saragosa. You would have to compare the Saragosa with the new "Salist MQ". However, I do agree with you about the mag seal. You cant really service on your own for the most part, which could be the deal breaker for many anglers.
@user-pn1hh8ez7e
@user-pn1hh8ez7e 2 месяца назад
BG MQ needs to be compared with Spheros.
@tailslapexplore6887
@tailslapexplore6887 2 года назад
I thought it was unbias review but you mention about 3rd parties service dude Daiwa say you'll have to sent it back to Daiwa for service not 3rd parties especially with the magseal.
@waltercao2814
@waltercao2814 Год назад
It would be great if you have any updates on this comparison.
@callumhillier5810
@callumhillier5810 3 года назад
Which one is better if I am fishing for kingfish 2 miles offshore?
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
Conventional is the way to go. More line capacity to let the kings run til it get tired but for conventional probably saragosa 10000k + for it line capacity
@benskai2475akurfishing
@benskai2475akurfishing 2 года назад
reel kren ingin sekali punya sat seperti ini
@SaltDonky
@SaltDonky Месяц назад
Whats the verdict, on the bg mq?
@andrewmorke
@andrewmorke 2 года назад
No sealing on the BG MQ was a deal breaker for me and I don't think the mag seal grease will stand the test of time on the Saltist. I went with the Spheros. Saragosa might be the most cost-effective reel out there right now, closely followed by the Slammer and the Spinfisher.
@Gio-nl7eg
@Gio-nl7eg 2 года назад
Have you gotten the new spheros swa?
@jacojonker4312
@jacojonker4312 2 года назад
BG MQ have seals.
@carlosllama9979
@carlosllama9979 2 года назад
How do u feel about the quantum Cabo 50??
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 2 года назад
Haven’t had enough experience with it to have an opinion
@angelpagan3118
@angelpagan3118 Год назад
I want ULTEGRA 14,000= XSE only that’s reel🐟
@crewdaiwa8287
@crewdaiwa8287 2 года назад
Mantap mister. Kalo boleh saya minta 1 itu reel nya. Kirim ke INDONESIA
@billybob4605
@billybob4605 Год назад
Diawia is simple and great and the best
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
Gosa all day
@offthescalefishing1380
@offthescalefishing1380 2 года назад
BG stands for Black & Gold as far as I know
@user-et2mh6tr5n
@user-et2mh6tr5n Год назад
Big game
@danielebedulli795
@danielebedulli795 2 года назад
I think your analysis isn't correct. The "philosophy" of bg mq was to made a body more resistent to torsion. This permit the shaft to go up and down with less resistence than in a normal reel. That is to retrieve a fish with less effort. If you dont taste/proof thys the comparison lost significance. For example try to up the same weight ( may be 1 kg) with the 2 reel and the same rod and see if there are differencs. Thank
@miamiwax5504
@miamiwax5504 Год назад
i like the bg mq more than the saragosa
@maasai-
@maasai- 3 года назад
For daiwa u may get good quality n durability at top mid range to high ones not less even there still shimano wins all day long , for yrs i have never ruined shimano reel completely , worse issue is the line roller ball bearings, gosa is just far ahead from BGs . I’m tough on my gears , have rhe best from shimano from stella downwards,
@justinszuch6184
@justinszuch6184 2 года назад
Diawa fuego is the best 100 reel out there, I replaced my Ci4+ with fuegos.
@seaturtledad6596
@seaturtledad6596 Год назад
@@justinszuch6184 fuego trash, its wobbly when u fight big fish, small gear, stpd magseal for maintenance.
@justinszuch6184
@justinszuch6184 Год назад
@@seaturtledad6596 If you are fishing for big fish I wouldn't use non of the reels mentioned, Saltiga
@seaturtledad6596
@seaturtledad6596 Год назад
@@justinszuch6184 yeah but u never know when the big one will bite
@Tyler-kw9ce
@Tyler-kw9ce 3 года назад
Wouldn't a Saltist MQ be closer match to a Saragosa.
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 3 года назад
Probably! But I could’nt get my hands on one. Maybe I’ll get one in the future
@peteluce5342
@peteluce5342 3 года назад
Pretty silly you can’t derive the BG MQ yourself. I’ve have several of the new gosas and I have no complaints so far
@empstheruler
@empstheruler 3 года назад
New gosa is 🔥 but still has a little wobble
@Gio-nl7eg
@Gio-nl7eg 2 года назад
@@empstheruler should only be if you get a defective one right?
@jacojonker4312
@jacojonker4312 2 года назад
@@Gio-nl7eg no...al 8000's still have the same wobble. Had 2 new 2020 models....wobble like crazy. Sold one and eventually manage to balance the rotor on the other one.
@truongvyfishingphuquoc8781
@truongvyfishingphuquoc8781 2 года назад
Bg Mq !!! Better than sara for Tor
@amazingace876
@amazingace876 2 года назад
can these reel be used or surf casting
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
Yes
@CopenYotas
@CopenYotas 2 года назад
Isn't BG for Black and Gold?
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
Big games
@heyjoejp
@heyjoejp 5 месяцев назад
My BG MQ 1400 after one season I’m the CCC is dead. Salt ate it Alive. Gosh Rules.
@hanfei6871
@hanfei6871 2 года назад
BG MQ stronger more power Saragossa better sealed
@ReelObsession904
@ReelObsession904 11 месяцев назад
Saragosa 8k or 10k
@rb319
@rb319 Год назад
why choose the 10000 pg? the lowest gear ratio of the line. sw-a smokes bg line imo
@andrewwolf4963
@andrewwolf4963 2 года назад
The BG MQ is a terrible representation of their BG series. They are just trying to make money off a name that was successful That’s why I love Shimano But I still buy Daiwa reels but prefer Shimano
@amcfishing1141
@amcfishing1141 3 года назад
Ive never heard a good thing about the BG MQ. Every person I've ever asked about it that own them says they will never own them again.
@Gio-nl7eg
@Gio-nl7eg 2 года назад
Wow that actually says a lot. I’ve heard good things never actually used one tho
@jayyy3507
@jayyy3507 2 года назад
They are good reels, guess depends what type of fishing you do… guys buy 200-300 reels & treat it like a Van Staal lol
@daltonv5206
@daltonv5206 2 года назад
I have 3 and all 3 have been great. To each their own. I love them
@naeemimrit5460
@naeemimrit5460 3 года назад
It should have been saragossa vs saltist.. Not bg
@kenth6140
@kenth6140 3 года назад
Bgmq is better than saragosa for pier, inshore, surf, lighter, smoother, stronger, smaller size. I have. Both saragosa6000, bgmq6000. saragosa is sexy body . bgmq is lighter, smoother, stronger. Bgmq WIN !
@calallen8786
@calallen8786 2 года назад
Gosa for W in land-based. I used them on the pier, jetty, beach heck even landed 120lb tarpon on it
@hmoobshow2482
@hmoobshow2482 2 года назад
Shimano spinning reels have always been better than Daiwa, Daiwa slightly better than okuma. For the price you won’t get anything that can match the Saragosa.
@patrickhagan8244
@patrickhagan8244 Год назад
You don't know shit good day Walmart shopper
@danielwutfisho
@danielwutfisho Год назад
daiwas slightly better than okuma?😂 come on man do your research of both brands and then make an evaluation
@hmoobshow2482
@hmoobshow2482 Год назад
@@danielwutfisho fished enough with both to make my assessment
@Slobfishn
@Slobfishn 2 года назад
#Teamgosa jetty land based fishing 🎣 rockstar
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 2 года назад
Definitely a contender!
@The_Florida_Fishing_Channel
I broke the system I have both
@redskins1120
@redskins1120 2 года назад
The BG handle breaks too easy.
@91G_
@91G_ Год назад
Why is the Spheros SWA not on this list??
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie Год назад
B/c it wasn’t released at the time this video was filmed
@91G_
@91G_ Год назад
@@RyanMorie I thought so thx for the reply
@91G_
@91G_ Год назад
@@TJXHT for a reel between 100 and 150 it depends what you are targeting but definitely the Regular Daiwa BG 5000/6500 but if I was you I would save up a little bit more and just get the Spheros SWA 10000/14000, better in basically every way
@91G_
@91G_ Год назад
@@TJXHT nice definitely 14000 Spheros
@91G_
@91G_ Год назад
@@TJXHT no more like a BG 6500 size
@thanehuesy8895
@thanehuesy8895 3 года назад
I got 2 daiwa bg’s and I was not impressed when they arrived, drag was quiet, did not spin a lot and has a low gear ratio. I only got t because I heard good ratings from it. Never getting a daiwa again sticking to shimano.
@redskins1120
@redskins1120 Год назад
The BG sucks! Mine broke on the first day of fishing!
@julian9579
@julian9579 3 года назад
BG = Black Gold or am i wrong ? 😂
@julian9579
@julian9579 3 года назад
and the 6+1 means 6 ball bearings + 1 roller bearing wich is the antireverse 😂 it has nothing to do with the line roller bearing 😄
@davesiu680
@davesiu680 3 года назад
the BG MQ stands for Big Game monoque body. Is not a replacement from the previous BG "Black Gold"
@Zeus-em7eq
@Zeus-em7eq 2 месяца назад
Amico mio un Mulinello mono scocca è sempre migliore. Saluti
@hon.jst.a.r896
@hon.jst.a.r896 3 года назад
They are over priced 😜
@nelson442
@nelson442 3 года назад
For the line capacity the sarogosas have they are over priced 🤦🏻‍♂️, like i would rather get the new spheros 20k for the price
@danielslocum7316
@danielslocum7316 11 месяцев назад
Took my brand new Battle II 5000 for a spin yesterday for the very first time and I hooked a 20lb yellowtail using a Ugly Stik X2 (medium hard) rod ru-vid.comUgkxM68VkfsQhHaabDce1IwOCXuvumcpbZ_k . This combo was recommended on some website and it did not disappoint me. The reel is smooth, the drag click is pretty cool cause i think it adds to the excitement of fighting the fish, personally the drag is my favorite part. I use braid and 300 yards will fill the entire spool. This combo is my main setup from now on although I have to disclose I am new to fishing.
@anthonybeshere6115
@anthonybeshere6115 2 года назад
I own both and had to send the bg back for repair in the first 6 months I owned it however the customer service was excellent from daiwa. Gosa is still smooth as butta 🧈
@RyanMorie
@RyanMorie 2 года назад
What went wrong with the BG?
@anthonybeshere6115
@anthonybeshere6115 2 года назад
Not 100% it was reeling rough and had a lot of play in the bail, customer service was quick I tracked reel it got to Cali on Monday and was back to me in Florida on Friday
@Im-mv6bf
@Im-mv6bf 2 года назад
Did you have a really bad poor gear meshing feel? I've had a Geary feeling a couple times on my bg 5000 but havnt had it for a while now, just goes back to feeling buttery smooth after
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