SARAGOSA vs SLAMMER IV vs SALTIST MQ 

The only gripe I have with this reel is the weight, but that goes with the size of the reel ru-vid.comUgkxM68VkfsQhHaabDce1IwOCXuvumcpbZ_k . I brought this salmon fishing up in Oswego, NY. I coupled it with a Cabela's Whuppin Stick. I had no problem pulling in a 14lb salmon. I will probably use this for surf fishing this summer and downgrade to a 3500 series Battle II next salmon season to save my wrists. All of the operations are butter smooth and the bail is nice and thick and has a solid flip to it. Everything about this reel is sturdy and strong. The drag system held up to the salmon and was also super smooth. I did use a scale to set the drag properly before going out to the river and this worked out tremendously. A bunch of other guys on the river would hook up and snap almost immediately. Just because you have a good drag system doesn't do anything if you don't set it correctly.

I have all three of these reels, in fact I have had 3 Daiwa Saltist in the last few years. I loved Saltist reels until they gave me problems and were hard to crank. I sent one back to Daiwa service for a maintenance for around 100 dollars and it came back like new. In fact, it may have been a new reel. I have another Saltist that is now inoperable and I refused to spend another 100plus to get the maintenance. The third still works ok but is slowing down, The Penn Slammer is kind of bulletproof and for surf fishing it is a tank. My favorite is the Shimano Saragossa 6000 which I use for surf fishing. It cast well and the return is silky smooth in fact so smooth that sometimes I reel in a fish not knowing he is still on the hook. My vote is the Saragossa and I plan to buy another one for my wife because her Saltist is going down hill.

New subscriber from South Africa. Thanks for the comparison Ryan, some really pragmatic considerations given in your comparison. Some interesting insights for someone who's been out of it for a couple years. Typically for surf fishing, if you're running a big grinder (here in S.A) filled with Suffix 832/J-Braid or equivalent in the 65lb range (with several hundred meters of Berkley Whiplash Pro backing) targeting big flat fish and sharks. And... they're usually Shimano Saragosa's and up. Shimano always had a great reputation for grinders, more so than Daiwa with Penn in 3rd place. For multipliers, it was always Daiwa (Saltist/Saltiga) with Penn in second place and Shimano in 3rd (especially the newer Trinidad's). The Shimano multipliers were always notoriously hard to cast well, so we magged the spools; which works really well. But we tend to cast multipliers differently to you guys, because we typically are targeting distance when casting in the surf or off rocks into the surf. So some really interesting insights into the newer models and interesting to see the newer innovations from all 3 manufacturers. You just made me realise I need a new grinder... :)

I’ve got a Saragosa 6000 SWA And around 5 months ago it fell into the the ocean in around 25 meters deep it was down there for around 3hrs because I had to get my free diving gear so I could rescue the setup. this set up is still working perfect and haven’t even had it serviced

I have all 3 reels and use to be a Daiwa man but I like the Saragosa, Penn is crap I would never get another one.

hands down saltist. had one for many years has not failed me yet. I have 4 now

I just bought 2 5k saragosa reels. One for me and one for my boss. He’s more of a friend but he also employs me and gave me a decent Christmas bonus so I decided to buy him a decent reel but not super expensive

A very good job…this video is exactly what I was looking for…but in the end I have more doubts then before…

Can't stand with Shimano reels here. Own 3 Stradics FJ/FK and 1 Saragosa, all 3 stradics are death to me. Took out FJ for surf fishing, can't crank the reel next day. Bought FK for 2 weeks, can't reel because line roller bearing issue. Try Saragosa, they keep having endless problem with line roller bearing to the point the guy fish next to me, walk F-out because he can't stand with noise lol. Try Saltist 2016 once and I never look back at Shimano again. Drop this damn thing into ocean and never wash it. It is running smooth. Now, I push all the way to Saltiga/Certe. Truly, love Daiwa reel. They are fun to fish with.

The most comprehensive reel review I’ve ever seen. Subscribing after just one vid.

Ryan you never disappoint!!! I was waiting for this all along!!! Thank you brother.

Great job Ryan. Just had a conversation with Alec about Saragosa and Saltist MQ last week. lol. What a coincidence!

Went with the slammer. Big mistake first trip out it’s already loud and raspy and it’s not the line roller. Penn isn’t what it used to be sad to sat

I love Penn.

Was a Penn guy for three decades- ditched em a few years ago for Shimano, which I used to not like. I found newer Penn's failing after a year of moderate use. I like the Saragosa and Torium lines.

yeah, the Shimano and Daiwa or the Porsche and Ferrari, but the Penn is the Toyota Landcruiser. I sacrifice a bit of smoothness and weight for a reel that goes the distance - Penn Slammer or even Spnfisher IV. I have one I can't kill, it has outlasted my Shimano Stella and i fish them both equally.

Gosa is the more proven reel for durability , the best for price , penn the best in quality n servicebilty , daiwa good all around n still magseal thing is a trouble that laying ahead .

my old saltiga is insane, never missed a beat in 17 years

My brother and I have always purchased both shimano, penn and Daiwa to test them. Have to say we have had more failures with penn. thought they would be tanks and be worth giving up the smoothness of their counterparts but we have been proven wrong multiple times.

Nice review, but you said the Slammer uses all rubber seals where as it doesn't. The seal under the spool just has two plates covered in hydrophobic coating. There's no contacting seal so you're just relying on the hydrophobic coating.

I think I own 26 Penn reels, probably only 16 or so are spinning reels though. None of the spinners are newer than a spinfisher III. If I ever wear one out, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the one tested. I prefer to service mine myself.

I bought a gosa 5k late last year thinking it would be my go to for fishing for snook in heavy structure. The Stradic 4K has proven to hold its weight so now I’m wishing I would’ve bought a 8 or 10k gosa for grouper fishing from the skyway… anyone wanna trade?! Lol

I've got a saragosa and a slammer. Very happy with both. Never got my hands on a Saltist (to really fishing). The slammer stopping power is crazy and I love the fact that the compact ones do a great job for big fish.

I happen to be a fan of the Slammer IV. Yes, I have replaced the line roller bearing due to it making noise. It's a $15 job after shipping. No problem.

Great job with an unbiased breakdown, however I would have liked to hear a comparison of how much each weighs and is there a substantial difference in line capacity?

Zinc main in a 200$ reel is pushing it. Zinc main in a 300$+ very hard to justify. The Magseal is nice too but if you use the same reel and fish a lot it doesnt last more then a couple years. If that reel takes some spray when your jetty or surf fishing after the Magseal has emulsified, you can feel the difference right away. You can tear down the BG/Saltist and LTs to clean the sand and debris out, but unles you have that MQ wrench your beat. If you dont want to risk damage or wear you have to stop fishing that MQ and get it serviced. If Daiwa was better with getting reels back and didn't charge so much to reapply the ferrofluid it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

This might sound odd for baitcasters Diawa all day. For spinning I like shimano and Diawa. If I want a small spinner or baitrunner I go Diawa if I want a big spinner or big bait runner I go shimano

Penn for me. Have had others and penn has survived for me. Now my longest and first (one that i actually bought myself) saltwater reel is a quantum boca 50. Has not failed me yet aswell. That boca 50 is my freshwater and saltwater inshore go to. Have caught some nice 34 to 36 inch snook on that one with a hurricane calico jack rod.

Slammer, spinfisher, and stradic

Love these kinda videos keep them coming my man 🎣🔥🤟🏻

Curious about the slammer DX with it's improved gear materials

Got a slammer iv 4500 yesterday, got a 5500 slammer iv dx, slammer jv 10500 is my main shark rod, my slammer III hs 6500 is a beast, for the money, just get a slammer in my opinion, if you want to for everything, get a 4500 and a 7500 or 8500, both are great, 4500 will handle all of your drums, pretty nice jacks, pompano, little small of a handle.for surf so get a 5500 for that but I love them all

Great review Ryan!...For me personally as a huge Daiwa fan, I can't see sending out a $300 plus Saltist MQ every time it needs service. For the Saltiga definitely but not for a reel in that price range. The MQ is better than the BGs but I'll stick with my BGs because of service.

Dude! What a quality review. Legitimately my favorite thus far. I do have some confirmation bias… 🙏🏻

Fantastic 👏👏 waited a long time for this comparison

For me it's been and I think will remain shimano, I do all the maintenance myself and find it easy, as well parts are easy to find on web even for older models, I find the wording "smooth" subjective because by smooth you mean light to crank, Daiwa's have always been lighter on the start- and use les power to rotate than Shimano's (true for all ranges, ex: stradic vs caldia same results, but I actually enjoy the feeling of Shimano's more. I replace all my reels handle knobs with aluminum balls on bearings and I find the Shimano's egg knob don't age very well in the eat (South Florida) and become really annoyingly sticky. The opposite of smooth would be rough (like metal grind or high frequency vibrations, noise) which non of the 3 are. Penn makes the best cleaning product in spray bottle on the market, that thing is insane, I go through a lot, I use it for everything including washing my hands after working on the car, I believe it even helps keeping mosquitos away, it's my tee tree oil for engineers and anglers haha. And to finish with another subjective view I would like to say I catch more on shimano's which is the most important to me so they are more of my lucky brand haha, you know need to have that feeling of having an edge or an advantage on the fish or on your mates to keep you concentrate on your fishing action and to believe it's going to happen now from the first to the last cast... Thanks for your videos, I enjoy them!

i got the saltist mq 5k last week and love it

i am newbie. after listening to ur video. i will buy penn. looks more tough and easy maintain. thanks for the video

What do you advise me? Shimano saragosa 6000 or Shimano stradic 6000 ?

I have penn slammer 3 for 5 years I never open and until now working good same as new...I'm just clean fresh water and oil the roller brearing...and that's it..

I have the penn slammer III which i use for pike and i also have the daiwa saltist 8000 wich i primarily use it for yellowfin tuna. Daiwa saltist 8000: great line capacity (i have over 300 M of 80 lb braid and about 5ft of 60 lb mono tied to the braud using an FG knot great reel for surf casting and popping, and great drag Penn slammer III: great line capacity ( i have 250 M of 40 lb braid and about half a foot of wire (which im targeting pike with) decent amount of drag This both of my reels In my opinion you should choose the reel that fits your style of fishing.

I just bought a Saragosa 10k and 25k - super happy with both. The drag on the 10k is absolutely nuts (best sound ever). The reels that the Saragosa's replaced are Penn slammer 2 and Daiwa BG 8000. I really don't miss the penn, but I have to say the Daiwa BG even though it was 5 years old and never serviced, it was smoother than the brand new Shimanos and I find it lays line better. (I fish mostly for medium to large sturgeon and GTs when I travel down south) Thank you for a Very good and accurate review @Ryan Morie ... you (and A.Hawk) are actually part of the reason I got my saragosa reels and it was difficult AF since I live in Canada :))

Great review! Not being able to service the Daiwa myself is a deal breaker for me.

Saragosa is the safe call and If you don't want unfortunate surprises probably I will go for it if that is the only one reel you get. If you have already other reels and want something maybe more risky but potentially more rewarding I will go for the saltist MQ. Me personally for the lack of service shops in my country I will buy the saragosa 14000xg to tackle GT and Spanish Macks.

Ryan when I was younger when I was going fishing and I went fishing a lot every chance I got and back in my days of fishing I used a reel called Michelle 300 a did you ever hear or used that reel that reel was the best reel that I only used

You should do some reviews on conventional reels, talicas and trinidads with the penn and daiwa counterparts would be great! Much easier reels to work on as well.

The new Authority kills the market, a bit heavier than some, but nothing compares

I used to be only Shimano but the Slammers are an awesome reel so I now run them and Saragosa's. Have owned some Daiwa's in the past but they always ended up with some kind of issue. Plus I hate not being able to service my own reel. Daiwa just want to keep making money on a reel they already sold you with servicing costs. It started with magseal, now you can't even open the bloody things.

You my friend deserves another subscriber 👍👍👍

Didn’t like the penn or Saragossa. Used both reels twice the gave them to my friends. Haven’t tried the Daiwa. Saragossa was a horrible reel. Ment to be sealed but that’s a complete lie

How i can choose 100-150 reel for saltwater surf only I will use only cut fish small or shrimps or etc etc But not lure or jig I want 5000-6000 size i think Rod i think medium power fast so it can go so far from beach Rod length i think 3.7m to 4 m

Yes, I'll take 1 of each + a Salt X 6000. That should cover it.

Daiwa you can buy the mag seal from the Korean manufacturer also the tool for the side plate

What size shimano reel would you recommend for big gt fishing

I have penn and shimano and I use them for different applications. Penn for surf, Shimano for nearshore. I used to have Daiwa until I corresponded with their support and they didn’t impress me. The reel that I’ve turned to lately has been the Tsunami Saltx, would love to get your thoughts on them.

Can you do an unbiased review of the new Kastking Kapstan Elite saltwater spinning reels????

Thank you great video. If my slammers fail going try the shimanos. Would try diawa but not a big fan of a company not allowing me to work on something I own.

Great video bro💯

Penn Slammer and Spinfisher is all I need

HAVE ALL THREE DIAWA IS KING 👑

For price, and usability, the shimano is unbeatable. Id like a penn or diawa but all my other reels are shimano so all my parts and accessories are interchangeable. I’m not one to buy a top of the line stella etc when the gosa does the same thing.

Informative thanks!

Wow, fantastic review, You are thorough and explain all quite well. Subscribed. I'm goin with the slammer I think, but a 3500 slammer 4 for fresh water, river and lake trophy striper hunting . The drag. Line capy and looks.i like the all metal body and rotor. Best looking of the 3 too

Hi Guy's help req'd... one of those req'd features google won't find.... I am fishing for Sea Bass from a high cliff 100 meters (110 yards) with no access down... I gotta reel them all the way up, dead weight n all. I know most reels will reel up the fish but here's the deal... when reeling in water and reeling a dead weight (2- 2.5kg - 4lb)... that's a whole different league of power, smoothness and build quality. Kinda the ultimate test of a reel quality you could say. I am hoping some of you Guy's know which reels stand out for this? An open faced reel weighing around 485-500grams (1pound or just over) to match my rod and allow other uses. Thank You Guy's in advance.

Good video man 👍

Correct me if I am wrong but the bail on The slammer 4 is titanium, as well as the spool shaft. Not hollow either it's just the size they decided to make it.

Shimano reels , daiwa rods all day that's my moto 4 life. 😂❤

Gosa! I got 8k and love how tanky it feels a quick spray and wipe is all I do after a day of fishing. With my stradic reels I would feel all sick when they would get splashed by waves, with the gosa I still get the same anxiety but I reassure myself with the knowledge in knowing that others before me have submerged it without issue which is a huge reason I switched from stradics. Love the Saragosa, loved Shimano all my life, as growing up all of our fishing gear was Shimano. Great video mahalo for sharing.

You can definitely go wrong with Penn. Heavy, bulky, and for people who are ok with not catching those trophy fish. And that's totally fine for some anglers.

I have The Slammer 7500 it's got 50 lb of drag

No mention of the weight of each reel

Shimano has always been good to me. Gosa is a great reel

YO-YOs for the win -Bigger line capacity -As much drag as you can hold -Zero maintenance needed -Super lightweight -Will Not Rust Ever. -Dirt cheap.

I’m retiring to the Panama City FL. area and looking to get into Surf Fishing. Looking for advice on rod and reel, combos for species, such as red drum, black, drum wing, Pompano, etc. looking to get started with equipment that I won’t outgrow in a few years and anyone any experienced angler be happy to have.

100% Daiwa BUT.... don't waste your money on this saltist MQ I've bent three of their handles already in 4 months the 4k , 8k ,20k don't buy this real.. water got into my 4K and noise coming from the gears on my 8k and 20k buy a Caldia Sw 2022 model .. same ballpark price and a better reel.. and don't forget the new Saltiga Flagship model will be dropping anytime between here and January

Hello, Thanks for your videos, I have a question for you, daiwa sale magsealed oil directly for repair reels? i can buy this oil?

you realize that none of the clips you showed in this review have PENN in action? None, zero .... I was hoping to see what size fish you would show with the 6500

Thanks for the review... ill be picking up a Saragosa 8000... What rod would u pair it with... itll be mostly used with poppers snd stick baits.

The slammer 3s had the same type of plastic bushing like the saltist does in the line roller. The 4 added the feature

I don't understand why daiwa rescaled the mq.. i have a saltist 5000 (not mq) and to get the same adistance of line with the mq i have to get the saltist 10000 mq.. which cost around $400 where the old saltist 5000 non-mq. Is about $260.. i don't know if i want to spend $400-500 on a reel…. Also to me what i fear the most is not salt water but sand.. i fish most of the time on the beach and on the beach sand is a nightmare.l. Even if you don't put the reel directly on the sand… you get sand everywhere.. could be the sinker , the fish it self no kidding, or even your hand.. sometime you need to grab something that came in contact with the sand and then you touch the reel without realizing it.. then your reel ends up with sand . Sometime things happen so fast, that you can ruine your $300 reel in just a split of a second because of the sand.. so to me, a reel that has the best sand proofing is the beat best reel.. i lost few shimano due to sand.. and i was unable to save them because they were just too difficult to service., shimano have too many springs and tiny screws .. need to be careful how you dismantle the parts.. anyway, im happy with my saltist 5000 non mq , that im thinking about upgrading to a mq version but because i want to get. 12 -13 feet rod , im thinking about getting a saltist 14000 mq..

9/10 of my reel .....Shimano...from medium price to high end model.i like daiwa exist.....but...too expensive ...

Daiwa MQ the future of spinning reels.

wow amazing

I was waiting for this.good job Ryan

I don’t know much about reels am new to fishing. All my friends are penn fan and I got introduce to penn straightaway . Next reel is penn authority

hey bro right now i have the penn slammer iv 6500 picked up for the best price ever and i am thinking of selling it and purchasing a saragosa, this reel is my kingfish reel and i use for jigging trawling and live airing what ever but mostly jigging is the saragosa going to be a better investment?

I'm considering getting a 10k Penn Slammer. The cost compared to Shimano and drag. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

The black reels get super hot in the sun here but seems like a lot of the best options now are black or black and red etc.

👋 hi am a fishing man and I like you videos brother 👍👍👍

Could not be happier with my Gosas (10k and 18k)

I own a whole bunch of old penns not slammers but spinfisher. All brass gears like the slammer. The brass gears on my penns did lose teeth. I am definitely moving away from penn spinning reels.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Zinc main gear. Especially when it is a large gear with tons of torgue. Will outlast the smaller brass and aluminum gear

I have a Slammer IV 5500 and with how much of a beating it’s been put through over the last 6 months it hasn’t given me a single issue also with some of the larger fish I have fought it man handles them when I see other anglers on the pier struggling with smaller fish with more expensive or even larger reels sometimes I will say it is fairly heavy so I wouldn’t want to throw it 100 times in a day the drag sound is also amazing if it’s setup right

For the money, the Gosa is probably my all time beater reel champ. I do want to try the MQ series reels.

daiwa saltiga on top

We cant get the mag oil and servicing is almost impossible so unfortunately in South Africa we cant buy the Diawa. If they removed the magseal they would sell far more of the reels.

I just got the stradic 8000sw... absolute beast.. might get the 5000 as well.... got fat fingers and big hands so.....

U should do spheroes swa penn spinifisher and daiwa bg MQ, great video

Penn slammer 4 is a good reel for the price

Maybe a mention about the pit design on lay & cast would be interesting 🤔