Bigger setback for Knicks: INJURIES or lacking a SUPERSTAR? 🤔 | Get Up 

Glad they called out that BS Draymond said. Do injuries happen? Absolutely. Does that mean you disregard the effect they have on a teams chances at success? Absolutely not.

Dude half the team was injured. Have this conversation after they go a full post season together

OG would have made a difference. Not only the great regular season record with him but against Indiana they were 2-0 with him in the line-up, or at least him playing game 1 and 3/4s of game 2. In the games he didn't play New York was 1-4 (not including the 5 minutes he played in game 7). Not saying they would have beaten Boston but the Knicks would have definitely made it to the ECF with a healthy OG

I do not want KD as a Knicks fan. Feel like it’s gonna mess up what we’ve built so far, if he didn’t want to come over after GS that’s on him.

brunson is a legit superstar and they make it to the ecf if fully healthy this isnt rocket science bruh

I can't wait for our NY squad to come back healthy next season, this team is for real and it makes me happy listening to this panel recognizing just that. I'm proud of this NY Knicks team.

ANY Raptors fan will have a hard time telling you the last time OG had a healthy season. We all loved him to death while we had him and all had/have a hard time seeing him go, but THIS ISN'T NEW FOR FOR OG. OG has missed significant time on the court since pre-Kawai; in fact, I always preach that the time off he had during the Kawai season was the best thing for him, watching Kawai daily from the bench and soaking it all in. He unquestionably has gotten better every year, only to see him get injured as the season closes and going into the playoffs. He's 100% the type of player you can see being a crucial role player in a dynasty type team. He's one of the best swiss army knives in the NBA unquestionably, but that injury blade comes out way too often.

I’m not a knicks fan at all but let’s be real they would of beat Indiana if they as a team were a lil more healthy

that other star is a 2xall nba player in Julius Randle. He wasn't playing because he was hurt. Knicks went 14-2 in January when healthy without Mitch Rob or Bogi and Burks. Run it back.

I disagree that they would have won if Green never gets suspended. There was a game 7 with a fully loaded roaster on both sides in the Warriors building. If Green was out game 7 then sure but nope he played, and it was a home game. Cavs took that series

Nope, no new star needed on the Knicks. They got Randle and they got Anunoby, that is more than enough to compete for the chip. And imagine Hart and Hartenstein coming off the BENCH???? And McBride will be better next year too?! Mannnnn 👀

I think KG made a point with Stephen A. It’s usually management that screws it up the following season after a team wins a chip. Take the 2008 Celtics for example. They lost James Posey to free agency. Didn’t retain Eddie House and Leon Powe. The 2010 Celtics had Tony Allen who Kobe said was the best defender he’s ever faced, but c’mon, Tony Allen was only 6’4. Not 6’8 like James Posey. Celtics lost some of their length by the time they had their rematch with the Lakers. We saw it again with the 2020 Lakers. They broke up that team immediately. Let go of Dwight, Rondo, McGee, and Caruso. Not that I believe they would’ve repeated in 2021 since AD was going down against Phoenix. But why make the drastic changes? Then the Lakers decided to let go of Malik Monk who thrived in Sacramento the following season. Then the Lakers lost Schröder and Lonnie Walker. They lost a little bit of their defensive feistiness by losing Schröder. Denver should’ve never let go of Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. But management wants to cut corners and then the roster gets a little worse and they’re never as good as the roster that won them a championship. I do believe it’s the end of dynasties. And you know what? I actually like it! Adam Silver said he always wanted to copy the NFL with their parity. It makes each new season more unpredictable. The last 5 champions failed to repeat and make it beyond the 2nd round after winning the chip the year prior…. 2020 Raptors (2nd round exit) 2021 Lakers (1st round exit) 2022 Bucks (2nd round exit) 2023 Warriors (2nd round exit) 2024 Nuggets (2nd round exit) I think this is good news for fans who roots for their teams in smaller markets. No more seeing Lakers or Celtics winning all the time. Each team is only built for ONE season. More one and done teams. Every team gets a chance to eat a slice of that championship pie. Since 2011, teams who won their first ever championship… 2011 Mavericks 2016 Cavaliers 2019 Raptors 2023 Nuggets 2024 Timberwolves???? Kinda gives hope to my dumbf**k Clippers. Maybe we will finally catch a lucky break on health next year? Nah. We’re screwed. Too old. Too cursed. Kawhi is broken goods. The new 2014 Brooklyn Nets banking on guys in their mid 30s and could no longer hang against stars in their mid 20s. While my Clippers suck, guess who’s made a big comeback to his career? Kyrie. Dude is still playing while Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, AD, Steph, KD, Kawhi, PG, Harden, and Russ are all fishing. It’s a new era. Only build teams with very short term views because nobody knows which teams will get injured again. Death of dynasties, superteams, dynamic duos, and big threes. Embrace parity and just hope your team can remain healthy. The younger teams are succeeding because their best players are still young that they can stay healthy.

Knicks are good! Randle had been good to play, we would be in the east finals. Possibly the nba finals. For us to have made it all the way to the second round with only 7-10 guys was amazing! Especially when the other teams had full rosters of players! 20 vs 7 is a rough task every game!

If the other Eastern Conference team's roster stays essentially the same, the Knicks can most definitely reach the Conference Finals next year.

They have a superstar

If the Knicks can add someone like Mikal without giving up Julius and just using draft assets, they can make the finals

As someone from the Toronto area. EVERYONE was talking about those injuries! It was so hard to get even a little bit of respect for how goos that team was!

Draymond should have been arrested for assault. Should not get air time.

I like the energy of this group, they seem to have a lot of good chemistry

Julius Randle + 2 1st round picks for Jaren Jackson Jr. Money works. Or Randle +Robinson + picks for Jackson Jr. and Marcus Smart since some Knicks fans feel like McBride isn't enough behind Brunson and Smart obviously fits the Knicks ethos.

KG knows wassup

Uhhhh the Knicks have Randle and Robinson who didn’t even play. If those guys were there they would be moving on

No superstar necessary. They need to resign OG first and foremost. Figure out a way to get Mikal Bridges (Bogdanovic + 4 1 picks). Figure out a way to get Jaren Jackson Jr. or Domantas Sabonis (Randle+Robinson+2 picks). Then trade up (2-1st round picks and a 2nd) to get an NBA ready front court guy in draft. Yves Missi or Clingan. Done, ready for 4-5 years of title contention. And still with 2 or 3 1st round picks left, and the best bench in the league. Brunson-Bridges-OG-Jackson Jr-Hartenstein= 2004 Pistons defense lol. McBride-DiVincenzo-Hart-Missi-Achiuwa. Woof.

This gotta be the dumbest?, injuries hands down cost us a trip to finals

Let’s not DisCredit Kawhi’s ring in 2019 yeah KD got hurt but warriors won a ring before he got there they didn’t need him before he got there. Kawhi’s run that year fasho was something to remember.

KG Knows hes from New York played with Stephon Marbury & can relate to the Grit of our identity. But healthy wise the Knicks can compete

Knicks win in 5 if they’re healthy

Shut up Draymond

Malcolm. From trailblazers would be a great fit

They do not need another star, they need a few more dogs. Look at the production Thibs got from Hart, Hartenstein, Deuce, and when healthy, OG. They need to bring back the core, and theyre going to need a shooter but not at the expense of their defense and rebounding. Length is the NBA gold standard, I'd be fine if they moved Mitchell Robinson and added another wing defender provided they retain OG. Let guys like Dante and Deuce grow into their roles but they definitely need more depth if they're going to play rough.

I hate the injury argument because it doesn't factor into any other round than the finals ...but you can be the projected best team and be hindered by injury in the first round and not advance (because of that) ...so almost every team gets the benefit of playing against teams with players missing at some point in the playoffs

Why are yall disrespecting boston?

knicks should hire KG as a consultant and have him sit behind the knicks bench and amped them up each night

Tired of hearing about Knick injuries is why the Knicks lost against the Pacers.. At the end of the day, the Pacers are ALWAYS up and ready to whip, punish and destroy the Knicks anytime they play. Even with a entirely healthy Knick team.. The Pacers would have still destroyed the Knicks..

Idc what nobody’s says abt Draymond. Dude is a 4x champion with the team that drafted him. He didn’t leave a situation to join a super team. He can speak on things most of them can’t. The goal as a player is always to win the big game. If Bron or MJ or shaq would’ve said this they would’ve took it differently

Knicks need a Solid Big Man

If Brooklyn can’t successfully trade for a star to pair with Mikal this summer, then the Knicks should offer McBride, one of Mitch or Bojan, and 3-4 picks for him. A lineup of Brunson, Mikal, OG, Randle, and Hartenstein with a bench of Donte, Josh, whoever they draft, and one of Bojan or Mitch leftover is a championship contending roster.

Why on earth is Austin Rivers being given a spot on national television 😭

Everyone forgets Julius Randle disappeared the last two postseasons

its up to player to have the mindset of no excuses....not the fans...or the media...

Mike Greenberg's writers answered his own question without getting into that question. If the players that were already injured before the playoffs, the reason is most likely because Coach Thibs ran those players into the ground during the regular season and perhaps the latter part of the regular season.

At some point (which for me was years ago), people have to stop treating Draymond as if he has any credibility outside of being a very effective point forward for the Warriors when they have a very good roster. He's not a tough guy, he's not honest and he's not a mature adult.

Knicks need to keep there core but they need to rest more for the playoffs.. ad some depth to spell the guys that’s all they need

How many times does it need to be said? Jalen Brunson IS a bona-fide superstar and a viable #1 option on a contender, and when this team was fully healthy they were not just beating great teams like the Timberwolves, Nuggets, and 76ers (all of which were at full health too), they were outright DESTROYING them, the latter two by nearly 40 points. All the Knicks really need to do this offseason is re-sign OG and Hartenstein, use their 1sts to draft a backup wing and center with OG and Robinson being more injury prone, and just get everybody at full health. This is the kind of roster you 1000% run it back with, they should not make any sort of rash moves.

Knicks just need to get a deeper rotation if anything else. I know Thibs loves playing his starters for almost the entire 48 minutes, if not all 48, but that's not a recipe for success, as clearly shown. Somebody said it recently, but if the Knicks had a quality backup PG, like the Pacers have McConnell to backup Haliburton, it probably makes a huge difference so that way Brunson had more than 10 seconds a game to sit.

it would be great if it's not a ball dominant player that would overshadow JB. let him continue to lead but give him size and more perimeter shooters. need more bench depth also

They deserve the chance to run it back. If they don't win the chip next season, you can then look to add another star.

This panel is AWFUL.

Is anyone else confused at why the ECF start tonight and all ESPN wants to do is talk about the Knicks who are sitting at home not playing like they were the greatest nba team of all time who would have no doubt won a championship this year if this or that rather than the teams who will be playing and the team who literally dominated the entire eastern conference all year?

Absolutely

The Knicks have a whole list of players that need new contracts and also the coach.

It’s all about the coach giving them injuries

Knicks don’t need another star. They have several, Randle, Brunson, Anunoby, Hart and Divincenzo. How many more stars do they need.

both things can be true. many people felt the warriors had easy convenient trips to the finals with tons of opponent injuries. It doesnt make the win any less...but it is the fact of the matter.

It's a point guards game and Brunson can make anything work.

They don’t need a “star” they need someone that’s a reliable bucket like demar derozan

Austin Rivers. If his Father wasn't a decent player, we wouldn't know who he is.

KG is absolutely 💯 👌

Nobody talks about it and I think it’s pretty cool that LeBron got his first ring against Kevin Durant and then Kevin Durant got his first ring against LeBron. Pretty cool.

Yall just gave mad props to OG for not being available with the Knicks. OG was on the 2018 Raptors squad and he was injured. You think KD wouldn't have been locked up by OG and Kawhi... Also keep in mind, Raptors DID beat the Warriors during the regular season WITH KD. American Sports Media is the worst.

Knicks just need to get healthy. Randle is a budget Giannis. The problem with these conversations is that the Knicks have beaten teams with more “star power” (Philly and Cleveland). The Knicks are not concerned with the labels of “superstar” or “1A” or any of this media created bs. They just play hard and let the results speak for themselves.

I agree run it back healthy squad

The Warriors playing against hurt teams/getting hurt themselves does not relate since they were a heavy loaded superteam at that time. The Knicks are super workers, not a superstar laden "super" team by definition

I understand injuries hurt but it’s the nba All of the players is talented it’s suppose to be next man up And if you feel like ya bench weak then upgrade it It’s players out there that could help team like Dwight Howard boogie cousins j wall etc Proven players in the league but just because they not at they prime level anymore ppl wanna gravitate to young players who haven’t done anything and might not stick

Okay for the 15th millionth time. The knicks dont need to blow it up for donovan, or devin booker. There is one star I blow it up for, Ant-man. And ant aint getting traded. So instead I continue to draft and aquire pieces. We need at least one more 3 and D guy who's 6'7 at least. We need another pg off the bench because that isn't deuce. Deuce is more of a 3 and D 2 guard. Lastly and most importantly, this current team just needs to stay healthy. And by adding more pieces, it helps preserve some guys.

So we’re still talking about the Knicks on espn?

Honestly I think New York really should be looking to trade Julius Randle. He has time over time had terrible playoff runs and the team could really use more depth to help offset if they have more injury issues next year

Detroit proved you don't need a superstar. This is a different age of basketball a star player is enough.

I like Austin Rivers hes good on this panel.

Draymund and the Warriors were the luckiest team in NBA history due to injuries to their opponents 2015 Finals - Kyrie and KLove injured 2017 WCF - Kawhi injured by Zaza in Game 1 2018 WCF - CP3 injured in Game 5 (Rockets led 3-2) 2022 West Semis - Ja Morant injured. Jordan Poole grabbed his knee in Game 3. Without those injuries, Warriors would have zero rings.

They need a second star, thankfully they have one in Randle

Let’s all remember that Embid caused the Mitchell Robinson injury

Embid or Gianis or someone like that. They need a Big to replace Hartenstein

So then if injuries was not exuse how Draymond will explain 3-1 collapse vs Cavs then ? Bcoz he was suspended for just 1 game ?

Kincks need depth, there starters did what they had 2 do until they couldnt anymore. Give them depth so Tibs can lower minutes and trust the 6th, 7th, 8th options

Can’t wait for next year LFGK

Knicks lost because of Thibs' inability to manage minutes and injuries. Last year it was Randle. Randle ain't all that great to begin with. He had an ankle injury that made him far less effective than usual. Instead of just playing Obi Toppin, Thibs insisted on using Randle. Randle, of course, as always, played horribly in the playoffs and the Knicks were eliminated by the Heat. Knicks were a much better team with healthy Toppin than they were with Randle on one good ankle. This year, the Knicks had a limping Mitch Robinson. Thibs played him until he couldn't play anymore instead of using Precious. Bojan went down. Thibs could have split Bojan's minutes between Alec and Precious. Alec is a better ball handler and perimeter defender. Precious is a better defender/rebounder. Thibs just decided to go with 7 guys and play JB and OG nearly every minute of every game until they broke down...and he played Josh Hart LITERALLY every minute of every game until he went down. All the while, Alec Burks and Precious were DNPs and Deuce could have played more minutes. Nobody else played guys the minutes Thibs did. Not even teams that were shorthanded. Thibs wore his guys out. He was beaten by a better coach who used the roster his front office provided for him.

stop it..Thibs does play his starters too many minutes..i am a life long knicks fan and there are games during the regular season that are already decided and Thibs still has starters on the floor...it is not a false narrative..there is a reason that all the teams he coaches have multiple injuries yearly..its called overuse

Didn’t this team have a player who averaged 20 & 10? An all nba player who was hurt? Y’all stay tripping.

A lot of if, this is reality and tomorrow is not promise for anyone.

I gotta call cap if it’s yall job to add context why do y’all hype up KD as some legendary player when the context that y’all use is him joining the already best team in the league that was whooping everybody already?

If they went to finals jalen brunson would be a first ballot hall of famer. A legend he would do something melo never accomplished anywhere in his entire nba career. Going to finals

Both. Daddy's boi needs some help and his numbers show it. Need someone who can be a secondary ballhandler and hit 3s. Time to move on from Randle.

Context doesn’t matter when it comes to Jordan

More KG!

The Knicks needs another superstar. They need to get rid of Randle. The Knicks should’ve traded Randle instead of Barrett and Quickley

DG forgets their were the team to beat at the time, NYK was the underdog story

knicks need one more defensive player to protect the inside.

Injuries no question and bring in Donovan Spider Mitchell and Zion Williamson

A star wouldn't hurt any team unless you're talking KD

Trade Randle for Naz Reid. Step up Stevens roll. He can be a 22 points per night player. He came up with splash brothers so it’s installed in him with his stroke.

Ppl forget how historically bad randle was in the playoffs in his career he wouldn't have made a difference. Some people must have short term memory when it comes to sports.

Add bridges for Randle

I only accept giannis if Knicks going for a star or trade for randle

I agree with the nba superstar opinion of his basketball team over anyone of these dudes

Draymond backed out of knickfan tv he didnt want the debate.

They need another knock down shooter not another star just a reliable shooter

Draymond need to humble himself and say thank you curry , klay , kd

Do we really need a Draymond podcast? Let's be real here

Booker for Randle + mutliple picks makes sense to me. Sun's need bigs and draft picks and Knicks need another volume scorer