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I don't mean any disrespect to those who commented on this video; however, I would simply like to say that based on the intent of this video, I can appreciate what the guy was trying to do. I will definitely think twice before trying to save money versus saving skin. Thanks for uploading.
Since most slides are face up, the major problem with the cheaper jeans was the way that the ass protection just ruffled up. However that may be different with more weight over a short distance. The government spend millions testing cars, perhaps they should spend a few thousand on properly testing gear in realistic conditions with correctly weighted and jointed dummies. I am sure that with the number of biker injuries, the insurance companies would contribute to the testing. Possibly different certification could be given to guide on the best products for serious riding as opposed to commuting in the city on a small bike. At the moment, it is a complete minefield.
@begodecrashtestdummy2722 A good pair of cowhide leather jeans give far better protection, particularly in event of an engine fire. That happened to one of my friends and he was able to stop and get off, rather than bailing and ending up with a burning bike on top of him. Just avoid those stupid 'comfort' leather jeans with the elastane crotch area that would melt within a few seconds. They are banned for track racing. LOL
Not really a fair comparison since an actual accident wont be like the scenario you tested the jeans in. You dragged them around for potentially a long time. For more realism you should have reached 55mph, then tossed them off the back and then let the kart come to a stop.
I completely agree that the methodology of the test *is* flawed if they were aiming to recreate the most realistic scenario, and as we have no way of knowing exactly when the damages occured or when the denim and aramid was worn through, it is hard to say if anything can be concluded with sertainty on the basis of this. One thing though, is that the 2 pairs were exposed to the same levels of wear, and showed significantly different damage done to them.
Anders Bjerregaard Exactly - this is a comparison, not a scientific or repeatable test. The article explains it in more depth, but generally You Tube users won't read it. You e absolutely right - the two had the same level of wear. An impact would submit the jeans to more energy in a much shorter time. This video simply compares two pair of jeans. I'd go for the better quality pair, but what other people decide to do is entirely up to them.
***** I agree wholly Ronald - no-one can deny that the more expensive jeans offer more protection, regardless of what test is carried out. As the identical test was carried out on both jeans, I know which ones I would rather be wearing!
Fantastic video. I’m in the market for rider jeans right now and this just makes me want to buy them even quicker lol. I see SO many riders with no gear on the bottom half. This proves it’s a must.
To be honest a full grown person weight about 3-4 times more that the dummy they used in the test so you would get 3 times more damage on the same track.
mo m8 the resistance from your body being dragged by a motorcycle is transferred to the point of contact, it may be not the same as having all weight on the trousers but it is still about 3 to 4 times more abrasion than having a stupid dummy as a reference.
A lot of harsh comments here. If nothing else, the test does show that the more expensive pair of jeans do offer more protection. They may even withstand a few slides down the road. The cheaper pair would probably survive a slow to medium speed slide.
There is no need for that 120 GBP jean. check this out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_Report Point 16, median crash speed is 21.5 mph. Only 1-in-a-thousand crash speed is 86mph. Point 1, approx. 75% of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most usually a passenger automobile. So, expect that 25% of the time the accident does not involve another vehicle. At that median speed one would roll just a few meters. Therefore the 30 quid jean is definitely enough, but if you have the money for the 'premium', why not? What is secriously lacking in this video were a few things. 1. The best protection is ride 'defensively, protectively, maintain situational awareness'. This can only come with seat time and age. One can have the best gear in the world and if he/she ride hooligan or involves in a high speed accident. Serious injuries, disability, fatality are very likely. 2. Since we know 75% of the time the accidents involves collision with another vehicle, most usually a car. That means abrubt stop from hitting hard objects. That means the minimal gears may include, cheap or premium: Helmet, gloves, long elbow guards, knee shin guards, armored under pants, and a stiff med length boot so your ankles don't twist 360 degrees. Except the helmet and riding boots. One can get all these under 100 quids online. Cheap doesn't mean low quality, premium doesn't mean better protection. Ride 'DEFENSIVELY' is the BEST protection, and wear what you choose to wear, not what others tell you to wear.
Yes I am an expert, that you are correct. You don't care? Obviously you read, felt butthurt, reacted and replied brokenly. Can you read English. I mean you can, but do you understand the language? My point 2. basically says there are essential minimum riding gears. I am 40 and I've ridden so many bikes since my early 20's, had my fair share of accidents and scars. I am a sole distributor of Husqvarna Motorcycles in Thailand. I ride on and off road. now you can fuck off.
It was not a debate. You didn't have a valid point to start with. In case you are dumb enough to summarize, get confused and all: My previous statements comes down to this: Number 1 rule of motorcycle safety, is ride defensively, protectively, maintain full time situational awareness. Follow by a variety of gears which I listed. Also, cheaper doesn't mean low quality. Premium doesn't protect better, but if you have the money for the 'premium', why not? You managed to write three confusing cursing posts posted in three different time, which could be put together into one. Your brain is not working well you know that? Are you ADHD, Pakinson? I suggest you have a mental evaluation asap.
While still relevant and a good indicator that you should be more worried about other vehicles than your pants probably the statistics are very old and need to be reassessed. I wonder now if the rates have changed with more people being aware of riders and the attitude seems friendlier now, or how cell phones have effected the rates.
Those statistics you're citing from the 'Hurt Report' are from the 1970's and according to Wikipedia; it's debatable whether they're still valid for 2018. I definitely agree with what you're saying still. www.mcgearhub.com is also a very good website to see some real-world crash incidents for those who are interested. What kind of riding pants do you recommend for spirited street riding?
I am wondering where I can find out what the ratings of Tobacco Motowear are since Tobacco won’t tell me. I have not run across many brands that don’t list a rating but tobacco is one of them that don’t. I don’t know why but they cost a significant chunk of change and if I’m going to lay down that type of money, I definitely would like to know their CE A scale rating. Do you know of a site that lists everybody who makes rider jeans - their CE A scale rating? If so I would really like to know this link or who it is that I need to ask.
+Nick Field You will still end up with road rash underneath. It may not be as bad as straight to pavement, but tell me how much different it was skinning your knee from falling off your bicycle as a kid in shorts compared to jeans. Yes there was a bit more blood and tearing in shorts, but you still ended up with tearing and blood inside the jeans. Jeans aren't gear.
+Mark Banks I'm an advocate of gear and I wear full leathers throughout the year in texas which is known to get over 100 degrees during the summer. Yet, I'll take baby scraps and bruises over complete road rash.
yeah, foreigners have this wierd fake money...and a lot of made up words too...some of them even have "languages" where not even one word can be understood. how they manage is beyond me...
+Richard well, yeah... I was riffing on an old Steve Martin routine... Kinda playing the ugly American... You people have a different word for everything!
I fell off last year wearing a textile jacket and fully lined jeans. I still wear the jeans every day because they're fine, the jacket is in landfill somewhere because it was fucked! Hope that answers your question!
It's a fair conclusion for the setup of this experiment. However, in the real world you won't slide an entire circuit. I would want this to be done with a slide of 50ft or so around similar speeds, and I would feel the results will be more relevant!
But to be far you may.be sliding faster too in motercycle and alot more weight of full body pushing into those areas esp if thrown from bike more pressure
Need to do the test again because Aldi now do a fully lined CE approved pair of jeans with knee and hip armour for £39 i bought a pair and they are fantastic, very thick and excellent quality 👍
I'm currently going through the process of buying motorcycle gear myself as I'm nearing my exams and even though the price is steep it is easily worth it imo. I mean, it's for my own safety.. I'd rather pay for a well protecting, well made pair of motorcycle pants or a jacket rather than having my skin scraped off in case I go for a slide. I know there are people who even ride in regular jeans and I'm just like wtf man... And also I simply think to myself, sure the gear is expensive, but these days even regular clothes are (can be) expensive. People pay ridiculous amounts of money for denim jeans and what not. I don't, so I might as well spend it on good driving gear. It may also a good idea to take saving money for gear into account when you start saving money for your first motorcycle.
Exactly , i purchased my gear beforehand , that then let me know where i stood in regards to saving for a bike. I bought Alpinestars GP plus one piece leather suit , Supertech R boots , Arai RX-7V helmet , Alpinestars GP Pro gloves , Armour etc) but also bought a cheaper set of RST leather two piece set that zips together and a an RST textile set for winter. My main alpinestars stuff/helmet was all new , but i picked up the textiles second hand for cheap. Some great stuff where the user had basically only completed their compulsary basic training (CBT) and never used it again , so was as good as new.
Brilliant. We watch endless reviews of jeans about how they look and the feel and the cut, blablabla. This test just shows to us all, you get what you pay for. Read the specs and pay the extra.
+DOG SPIT Please do feel free to do you own test. I've tried to explain the lack of science, repeatability, the fact that it's a comparison... but 'as many have stated', there are other opinions out there - the internet is full of them. Makes no odds to me - wear what you like.
+Dave Muldoon They're Aldi Dave. The aramid in them isn't actually that bad (as stated), but my problem with them is particularly where its sewn into the back. The seams here failed instantly, so as soon as the denim goes through, the aramid pulls up, exposing your bum. That's not the case with all part-lined jeans - some have a longer 'short' area. They're better than normal jeans though. Personally, I prefer fully-lined jeans (which again was my point with this video) - they're what I wear on launches. Cheers, John
So much hate and so many cheapskates posting comments, one factor remains. Back in around 2000 Dragging Jeans in the USA and Hood Jeans in the UK were the only two manufacturers of Kevlar lined motorcycle jeans. Draggin jeans were like the Aldi ones and the Hood Jeans were supreme with full length coverage, even the denim and jean creation was supreme. I had a pair of K7 Jeans for this entire time and passed them onto a mate as out grew the size. I never crashed them but the denim stood up to the test of time. I certainly rate the denim and build of the jeans as better than Levis or Wrangler. For double the money you get a tech jean capable of surviving a crash and protecting you into the bargain. To all the haters shove wasps up your arse if it makes you feel happy but least I know where my next pair of motorcycle jeans will come from. The Draggin K shirt from draggin jeans was a good idea though and am liking these new hoodie's lined with kevlar into bargain. Biking has never seen so casual and so safe.
I lack explanation in this video on why, if both pairs were 14oz denim, Aldi one torn much more significantly than Premium pair. Taking into consideration tears on knees were similar something g potentially affected rear part of the cheaper jeans.
I have recently bought riding jeans as a reward fpr passing my driving test. I decided tp spend 400 bucks on AAA levl riding jeans from Dainese. I've never had an accident - thank God - but I still think they're worth every penny. They feel like a pair of joggers by the way. 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
But what about the seem strength? In a crash, the force of your body hitting the floor at speed will certainly stress the seems and often bursts them on cheaply made textile and leather clothing. Would've been nice to see if the jeans survived such a test!
The trick is to hit the ground gently and just sliiiiiiiiiiiide. They are much better protection than blue jeans no matter how well they're made. The ultimate protection would be a full set of leathers but I'm not running Moto GP.
Contrary to many of the comments, textile abrasion testing is generally performed using a machine that applies pressure and friction for thousands and tens of thousands of repetitions. The textile is rated by the last group of 15 or 20,000 repetitions it successfully withstood. (There are two chief methods and corresponding machines used, one standard is American--Wyzenbeek--, one International--Martindale.) Granted, an actual accident involves more than abrasion alone: impact, tearing/shearing, and so on. However, the variability of how an accident unfolds renders complex testing (that is, attempting to simultaneously evaluate multiple elements) of modest value at best. In my view this real-world exercise makes a relevant point, however lacking it may be in either pure rigor or accuracy of accident modelling: more lining means better abrasion resistance.
I'd be curious how long most people slide when having to lay down a bike vs how much punishment you put those jeans through. The more expensive pair is better for being dragged behind a go kart, but what about laying down a bike going 40mph, 60mph, and 70mph.
This is very interesting. I never ride without leathers and there's no way I'd wear Aldi jeans on a bike. Its a good test that highlights the difference between cheap and good gear.
exactly...real test would be sew the cuffs closed fill with sand, sew closed drag for 30 seconds at 60 Mph and take a look...unless you plan on being chained behind a truck for a ten minute drag...
I bought a slightly used 2 piece leather suit by Teknic (double cow-hide at the impact zones and seat) for £40. I’d bet that against the Hood jeans. Aldi jeans are ok for a trip around the city. Slide times at city speeds are what? 1 second? That’s about all you need. For potentially really long slides, people should really be wearing 1 or 2 piece cowhide (or kangaroo, deer, elk) suits.
I don't own any riding jeans but after seeing this i really want a pair now, I've had lots of people tell me "just get aldi ones!" but nah sod that i'll keep my skin road rash free thanks.
Iv'e got a pair of Draggin jeans and they are one of the best and original kevlar jeans, but they only have as much kevlar as the Aldi ones in the same places! :-/
+kidda74 You'll probably find they have a longer 'short' area, and that it's a complete 'unit'. These were a different construction. Personally, I prefer fully-lined jeans still though.
+MoreBikes.co.uk Oh I recently treated myself to a pair of Hood jeans and I'm very happy with them. The colour, the fit, the style they're just like a normal pair of good jeans to look at but with full protection. The armor that you get for them is good too without being too bulky!
What I don't understand is if they both have aramid inside, why has it ripped through the protection on the budget pair and not the premium? Surely aramid is aramid, regardless of budget? Genuine question as I'm still pretty new to motorcycles. Great video by the way... more people need to see this sort of stuff.
I skipped to the end but I'm assuming the cheaper pair were only lined in the seat, the knees and the hips. The more expensive ones are usually fully lined. It can get much more complicated with aramid (Kevlar) interwoven fibres vs aramid/Kevlar lined but basically I think this video is part lined vs fully lined
Those denims drift like a boss. I don't know why, but I found that hilarious. I think all go kart racers should be made to tow 2 pairs of jeans during races. Nice job though, I'll have a pair of premium jeans please.
Ieuan Mark Mills even if they're still part lined? What does the more expensive price mean? That the weaving is better ?? I mean I'd never buy a £30 pair of motorcycle trousers haha I'd rather pay £100 they say you get what you pay for after all. I was just wondering whether £30 part lined jeans and £100 part lined jeans where any different. And what's the best things to look out for
+xsassyxbluex Many more expensive part-lined jeans have a longer 'short' area at the bum, and are a complete short in themselves - that should mean they stay in place better. Personally though, I much prefer fully-lined.
I’ve worked in emergency medicine for 30 years I’ve never heard one person say gosh I wish I’d of had less protective equipment on. Do the research buy the best you can afford. Pay attention to your helmets and make sure that they are not counterfeit. I’ve ridden motorcycle my whole life I remember sliding down a gravel road on my helmet wondering am I ever going to stop. Buy the best you can afford and play the who’s going to kill me next game whenever you’re on the motorcycle because they are out there and they are stupid!
You'd need to compare the Aldi part lined jeans with some Hood part lined jeans. 2 different designs rather than cheap pair vs dearer pair. Of course fully lined jeans will fair better than part lined.
i think it's a good comparison test, it shows the difference in protection levels between the two. To all the people who made negative comments I can only say "Which pair would you rather be wearing if you found yourself sliding down the road on your arse?"
SSchithFoo Yeah, because your most important body parts are located in your legs, you break your leg and you are dead, because you will not be able to hunt for your daily prey again and you will starve to death.
All motorcycle jeans are design to save your skin from a 5-7 second slide. If you are sliding more than 10 seconds then you should be using full leathers cow or kangaroo anyway and be on a race track. If you are sliding over 10 seconds on the road then you are going WAY too fast on jeans.
This proves that if you want to get dragged around a race track buy hoods ,but if you fall off a bike and just slide a short distance get the cheap ones
I dont know why people have said the test was a failure. I dont much about stuff like this but to me it got the point across more armor is better than less armor for less cash
I get the intent, and ultimately the more expensive fully protected jeans will always offer better protection than ones without full protection, regardless of brand. However, this is such an unscientific test! For example, not once did you mention how long you were dragging them round for?! Based on this test, you literally cannot say that if you were wearing the Aldi jeans in a crash, that you would sustain more injuries than in the others!
Jeans are not made for riding. Aramid insert spawn from marketing, other than from real R&D. Real riding pants are synthetic textiles. Highly abrasion resistant, slippery so when a rider falls they allow some slide, helps to minimize contusion, not sharp stoppage like jeans. Jeans are easy to wear and look better though. Also, more expensive is mostly the result of marketing costs. For example. Alda from factory costs 9-10 US dollars a piece, while Hood K7 is 13-15 US dollars. Not pounds. I work as a senior sourcing manager of a reputable international apparel sourcing company. These are real facts.
Why not don a set of full leathers (as we know these work well) and then put on the outside the kevlar/non leather clothes to be tested and jump off the gokart?
wud be great to see a heavier dummy being dragged at 60 mph for 5-8 seconds on both the front and rear sides but this is an extreme example that proves a small investment in ur heath cud mean no road rash and wire brush to ur skin to clean out the debris. seems like a fair and wise investment to me.
I think normally the absolute longest slides will not go for much longer than 15 seconds (that's going speeds excess of 100 mph) it looked like he dragged those pants around for at least 40 seconds maybe even a minute all you have really shown is witch pants have excess armoring
This test certainly does not reflect what would happen in real world, but certainly illustrates the durability and the fact that you actually get what you pay for... More money = more durability and protection. Choice is individual to make.
'Proper' 'motorcyclists' - you what? Real Bikers have a pragmatic view and are prone to take risks - they ride motorcycles after all! Cost is always a factor. Or perhaps you'd be happytto wear these star trek forcefield jeans I just invented. You can drag them around a lap of the Nurburgring behind an F1 car without even scuffing them. yours for a cool billion US $.