@@ShellShock11C The Punisher hasn’t said that. Batman and Punisher have quite a different philosophy in what they do, but one thing is for sure; the Punisher has skewed the ratio to his favor by a huge margin. 😂
@@ShellShock11C I mean… Consider what the Punisher thinks and acts like, consider his overall philosophy, does it seem like someone who would say that?
You know what's more interesting,the way showrunners showed him in S04 finale,he has the potential to become the big bad of the Boys season 5,just imagine that butcher somehow kills Homelander in 5th or 6th episode,But kessler doesn't want to stop there and goes on for a full on supe massacre.
I like how the showrunners add a little bit of backstory to Butcher in each season,in 2 it was his father's cancer and his talk with him but we weren't given complete context followed by S03 where we get the complete context of his brother and father to S04 where we get a little background of Joe Kessler,i still think there's more to Joe Kessler than the show tells us which might be revealed in the upcoming epsiodes.
@@davidmarrero9608 told ya,but 1 thing....the real twist would be if joe kessler is still alive and the imaginary kessler was butcher's guilt telling him he left kessler to die in the valley (cause for the monster he is before he met becca) but it's revealed he made it out alive and is happy and forgives butcher.I know i am reaching but it would give us more insight and stuff anyways.
@@chamoflag9630 That wouldn't work in the way they're setting up the show especially since season 5 is the end of the series so they wouldn't just do a big reveal like that for the end of the series. Plus Kessler acts more like comic Butcher since comic Butcher is ruthless and doesn't care about his team. I won't be surprised if they shave Butcher's beard to try to make him like the comic version like what they tried doing to Negan in the walking dead (who is the same actor who plays Kessler on this show).
@@davidmarrero9608 unironically,karl urban looks diabolical with that beard,would be a shame if they shave it,coming to the main topic,i know that won't tie up properly but my theory is HL gets killed by 6th/7th episode making butcher the main villain,now it's upto hugie to confront butcher so he digs up butcher's past and tries to find kessler(a subplot) and that might end up playing a huge role in the finale cause there is no way butcher's revenge ends just by killing HL,he will not stop there. Why i think this? cause we only know about kessler from the pscycological projection of butcer's view,we never know who the real kessler is,cause this guy just came out of nowhere and became pivotal to the story,i am pretty sure we will get some kind of closure(even the kessler alive theory) in S05.
Definetly a monster, MM suffered just as much as him, (if not more) because of Soldier Boy and yet he's not a blood thirsty asshole, but still, Butcher has a heart since he doesn't want Ryan, Kimiko and Annie to get hurt despite al of them being supes. He's also a much better person than his comic counterpart.
And yet he would’ve been fine with leaving the World in Homelander’s mercy rather then working with soldier Boy And to make it worse he makes Hughie work with A-train
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”-Friedrich Nietzsche. You forgot the "beware" part which kind of gives the quote the opposite meaning than the one that was intended 😅 Apart from that, great video. I just want to add one thing though: "Monsters aren't born, they're made" isn't strictly true. It is, most of the time but not always. From a psychological perspective, there have been cases where psychopathy and sociopathy developed without environmental triggers. In those cases, there is a strong case of genetic factors from both parents or a traumatic brain injury during development. You see it in cases where children were the culprits of dangerous crimes even they had grew up in normal, stable environments without traumatic experiences. All this to say that the there is a genetic component to the development of antagonistic personalities. (Or rather, personalities in general). So in some cases, monsters are born, not made. It's not a nice thought but it happens.
Oh boy. I'ma get the popcorn and come back and watch the robots come out of the woodwork to defend their gurus. Can't go around being critical of the modern ideology that everyone is a victim and nobody is responsible for your actions.
Funny thing is if you take this video wrt Homelander,most of the things match up like his upbringing,his father-to-son relation,the death of becca and the death of stormfront,etc with some plot points exception ofc but it's surprising as to how much they are a reflection of each other.
Having grown up like Butcher did, realizing I was trapped in a cycle of violence, and going to therapy for a decade; I can personally say that sometimes something gets broken in a person and it just can’t be fixed. I still get violently angry when I see bullies or parents abusing their kids. I keep myself locked away so I don’t have to interact with people.
I think Butcher was always a monster. Becca said she didn't know how he'd react if she told him what happened, and said he was always one day away from bearing some man to death in a parking lot. I think this was largely his childhood
this is the video what i need about butcher.. he actually hope better world for anyone but his ruthless enemy used dirty way to win and he need to be monster like them to win
In the comics Butcher seems to be garth ennis ( the author) cosplaying as The Punisher. The show takes apart antiheros like him by constantly asking “ why do we like this guy?” Something hughie and co probably ask themselves every single say
"In the comics Butcher seems to be garth ennis ( the author) cosplaying as The Punisher." That couldn't be further from the truth. Despite what illiterate people on the internet will tell you, Garth Ennis doesn't hate superheroes. He may not be the biggest fan of them, but he doesn't hate them. Garth is a huge superman fan, he's gone on record multiple times that he likes superman. The point of the boys isn't to hate on superheroes, it does the same thing that watchmen does, be a deconstruction of superheroes. Whereas watchmen showed how superheroes can be used to protect institutions of authority from the people that are forced to be beholden to them and even lie to keep peace, the boys shows how superheroes have been co opted and turned into corporate products that are used to endorse an inhospitable status quo.
I'm convinced Butcher will die by the end of the series, my only hope is that he realizes the monster he has become and his death is more of a sacrifice in an attempt to sorta make up for some of the things he has done.
I think Homelander and Butch are the same, the only difference is that Butch was born without powers and so he could never abuse everyone and do whatever he wanted with or without powers he brutally kills anyone that goes against him, like how Homelander does
You gotta give it to him. He really tried and grew as a character and tried to save Ryan down to his dying breathe even with a super brain tumour wanting otherwise. He only truly embraced the abyss when he finally knew everyone else is in the abyss.
I watch this kind of character-analysis videos all the time and sometimes I wonder if the actual writers of the show/movie watch these videos and think, "Jeez apparently it's that deep? We just wanted a cool character but alright."
4:26 "To fighting monsters, you have to become one of them" i don't think a native english speaker would make this mistake, it's possible the person voicing this isn't, but they have a perfect english accent
I think you can draw a LOT of parallels between Butcher and Johnny Silverhand from Cyberpunk Both are just totally messed up, and mask their heinous actions with "the greater good" but are capable of having a heart too
Poeple often forget that characters don't watch the show as we watch; something like when we read history, people in that history weren't aware of future and all events happening at that present. Billy Butcher is a resistance soldier in a asymmetric war and he's just a man, not a forgiving and kind mythical prophet. By your analyze we should call many resistance forces in WW2 evil. And Butcher is also this: "John Blake : It needs it now more than ever. You betrayed everything you stood for. Jim Gordon : There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're... shackles letting the bad guy get ahead. One day... you may face such a moment of crisis. And in that moment, I hope you have a friend like I did, to plunge their hands into the filth so that you can keep yours clean!"
I just realized that soldier boy and homelander are internally vulnerable which is how stan Edgar and sb’s dad berated them, when butcher is vulnerable externally which is how his father berated him
His Arc throughout the show is VEEEERY similar to Walter White's. His going from an Antihero and now with the Tumor causing hallucinations and making him do more and more bad things for "The greater good." And we'll most likely end up the Villain in the End.
As I see it, Nietzsche is 100% correct, until he's not. No-one works in the exact same way. Hence no one deals with trauma in the sane way. Some bottle it up. Most fight it. Others try and shield themselves or others from it. Butcher took the brunt of his father's ire for Lenny, meaning he absorbed a lot of the hurt, and naturall his mirror neurons kicked in as a response. It's not Butcher's fault he is as he is now, he's been affected by trauma and his own body which has effectively seen his father abd gone "That's a manly man." And tried to copy it, as much as he himself disagrees. However: Butcher's current actions are 100% his own, and cannot be excused. Tldr: He became a monster not because of his own actions, but because of trauma and one of the worst applications of mirror neurons possible. Edit: I _thought_ he butchered the quote, thanks for correcting him on that one, other commenter! Hehe.. that's funny..: '(butcher)ed'. Yeah so Neitzsche agrees with me then I guess.
The analysis was good but the translation of that Nietzsche quote is very bad. “Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, daß er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.” “He who fights with monsters, should wish to see, that he does not in the process become a monster [himself]. And (for) when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you.” (That’s my own translation I tried to match the original German meaning while also matching the cadence of the original German… I am not a translator but I think it makes the intent of the quote more evident)
Is Butcher self aware and accepts who he is? And at the same time is Homelander denying who he really is inside? Like the same coin just different side?
That opening quote is 100% inaccurate and backwards to the whole point of the video, and Nietzsche's whole point. Never in any of his writings does Nietzsche actually say "You yourself do not become a monster" you just pulled that entirely outta your ass
1:57 why did you say "and even kimiko" Like it was the strangest thing? He knew each other team member longer, and hughie he felt like his little brother. He interacted with her the least. Women aren't instrically more important than men you know.
