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“Thats it sukuna youre done for.” “I vow to never eat chick-fil-a on wednesdays at 9:46 pm EST for the rest of my life” “What” *Sukuna gets his cursed energy back* “Thats not how it works the fuck” “You dont understand brat, eating chick fil a at that exact hour on that exact day is a very important practice for me starting from now.”
Chainsaw man characters making a contract with a devil only for it to fail at its task as the character straight up fades away vs Sukuna using admin perms for the mechanic
I think pimping out binding vows is what Sukuna meant by “yall don’t understand real jujutsu.” He knew which piece of the power system is the most easily exploitable
@@misscornicat think about it like this. Not everyone has a maximum, not everyone has a reversal technique, not everyone can achieve domain expansion. But ANYONE can pimp themselves out with binding vows if they want to.
I need Sukuna to take an L because of a binding vow; that’s the only way using them so freely, casually, with no explanation, can have some sort of meaning to the story.
He's already taken Ls, He can't spam wsc which he would've been able too if he didnt use binding vows and while its indirect he cant use his cursed technique very well now because of domain which he opened with binding vow
Can you people fucken read? Stop the bs about what happened after binding vows and focus on actual vow and equivalent exchange. Space cutting dismantle. To skip a step one time he has to add an extra step all the time. Kamino. To skip range on multiple people outside, he adds range in domain so speed wouldn't matter. That's the definition of equivalent exchange. Sukuna is just smart af.
@@Jollofmuncher2000being forced to violently telegraph a move against people that even in this battered state he outstats every way conceivable is not the L you think it is.
Sukuna in chapter 260 is gonna do a binding vow where he sacrifices a hair follicle to heal his entire body and launch every icbm on the planet at Yuji
Could Yuji make a binding vow that lets him use black flash At will? He's already hitting it consecutively so the vow wouldn't be too much of a buff, so maybe the sacrifice wouldn't be so big
I think the furnace bv makes sense, he exploited the effect because a bv doesn't look at the potential damage you can do, only if the exchange is roughly the same, which in a vaacum it is, it's just that sukuna knew about the interaction of fire with dust particles. He basically found a loophole that made his mediocre technique into a massive nuke
Look like? That’s the only way greg knows how to write off sukuna on the ropes. And it’s not even like the vows make him give up all that much; “oh, but he made a binding vow to not eat Mac and cheese for 10 minutes to gain enough strength to neg diff these high schoolers” the one he made to world slash Gojo in exhancge that he has to violently telegraph every one afterwards only seems not bs because he’s so goddamn battered and bruised atp. Were he to have gone Heian era form and be completely fresh the vow would amount to nothing cause he legit outstats everyone
@@wilsonsanabia4259not only that but he can only use Furnace under very specific conditions AND he gives us the sure hit effect of his domain on people. I don't see how people can't view that as a trade-off
To be fair that vow is commonly misunderstood. It was that his vow traded an arm for his life directly, it was a cursed energy reinforcement vow that stated in exchange for not protecting his arm at all, he would protect the rest of his body to a greater degree and that happened to save his life. He effectively just gambled that losing an arm would be enough to protect himself. It was an indirect trade that worked out for him.
@@scrubnub6203 it also aided more that without his arm he couldnt access domain afterwards. People gotta understand the vows work from the perspective of the maker and what they value. Sure the charizard trade is dumb on paper but not when that card was his first ever pkm card that he received from his late grandmother. (Not a great example tho bc trading would be an example of a BV between 2 individuals) as sukuna abuses self imposed vows Sorry for the autism
@@BuhLayr Yep, Without an arm, he can't open another domain, which made his binding vow even stronger since its not simply just 'exchanging an arm'. There is a lot of downsides to Hakari and his Jujutsu as well.
depends of how many vows exactly did he use for shrine. But he has used like 15 in total probably: to Yuji, to Jogo, to Kenjaku, for his domain battles with Gojo he used around 5, he used one for world cut, he used multiple for his domain expansion, and the binding vow for Fuga. and i dont think there were many vows in the series before this.
It's not broken. And Sukuna just have years of experience on making a specific vow and to exploit its loophole. Plus even he's not invincible, the Vows he's been making all these times are slowly taking tolls on him. Why do you think he's been unable to heal all his arms?
Its not broken though. Sukuna being the strongest naturally means he can sacrifice more things in order for victory. Meanwhile there's almost nothing that other characters with less skill can put in order to get a meaningful outcome. And really the only bs binding vow he used was the fire arrow one which the tradeoff isnt even reveal yet
It is kinda broken tho It could just be that sukuna is more experienced at making vows that work out more for him. So from what we are understanding, binding vows could help certain characters during battle a lot as long as they sacrifice something in order to gain or maintain a certain advantage. Its just that its kind of not really the time for experimenting right now
I think more people don't do it because it requires taking a very calculated risk. You could have a situation like Hakari where a good usage of binding vow is literally the difference between life and death with little to no downside or you can have a situation like Miwa where you do absolutely no damage and now you can no longer fight.
Revealing ones hand fucks because not only does it give an excuse to explain your power it's basically telling your enemy how your gonna fuck them up while letting them know they can't stop it
I like how there was two sides of the whole thing. Gojo vs Jogo: Gojo tell Jogo his technique for no reason other than shits and giggles, bro was already way more powerful than Jogo Sukuna vs Jogo: "Revealing my technique is cheating and I'm not gonna do that to win, I'll just defeat you and as you're dying you'll wonder what the f*ck I used against you"
the best part about 'revealing ones hand' is that it works the best for curse techniques that are so unorthodox that explaining them makes it even more confusing to predict because you end up getting way too in your own head about it. Case in point, that vow with Boogie Woogie is terrifying, because the more you over-analyze Boogie Woogie the more likely you'll fall for the tricks
Nah, you gotta abuse it. “When I kick a foe that I have not punched, that kick will possess the strength of a punch with the same amount of force put behind it.”
The biggest problem with the binding vows Sukuna uses is the fact that it is often used to retroactively explain things rather than set them up “In exchange for one instant world slash he now has to do a chant with every following one” That would be cool if he used world slash beforehand multiple times, showing what a menace it is without the chant and explaining the need for the instant slash so it didn’t feel like as asspull as he offscreened Gojo. Instead we just saw the chant as how world slash worked before the binding vow revealed “Fire arrow can only hit one target except in the domain where it can chain react explode everything” Neat! Would be nice if we got to see that fire arrow struggled when being used or got told that it works by detonating a target and were shown it can only hit one thing BEFORE the explanation why. Instead it’s just a huge info dump “Sukuna’s domain can only let living things freely pass in and out of it to keep all the dust in” Since when could Sukuna do this? Is this a binding vow? Is this just something he can do? Would have been a lot better if we saw that objects couldn’t leave BEFORE being told Sukuna’s vows would be FAAAAR more acceptable if we saw the full story. People don’t go around calling Hakari’s vow an asspull because leaving your arm defenseless to reinforce the rest of your body makes sense and is a fair trade off. Sukuna’s on the other hand feel like they traded very little for the most W upsides ever because of how they are presented narratively It doesn’t help that the consequence to a binding vow is, as far as we know, the vow just being reverted. It begs the question of why people don’t do the “one time super move in exchange for something else” and then just immediately break said vow because, as far as we know, there is no reason you can’t
@@beywheelzhater8930 your last point is really whats so weird about the binding vows. lets take miwa as an example: she vowed to never use a sword again to empower one attack. If she broke the vow by using a sword again, what exactly would she lose? (especially because that attack ended up doing nothing)
@@Oearli Apparently, the potency of the vow varies depending on how much the sorcerer values what they're losing, which kind of implies that Miwa didn't really care about swordsmanship.
Mechamaru's binding vow with Kenjaku is actually pretty interesting because it's the only binding vow where no side had to sacrifice anything. Sure Mechamaru has to betray his friends but it didn't directly hurt him, and all Kenjaku had to do for his side of the arrangement was have Mahito heal Mechamaru which literally doesn't sacrifice anything on their side, it took Mahito five seconds to transfigure him and heal him and didn't cost any cursed energy
Binding vows between people are just deals with consequences. Its like telling someone "I promise not to tell anyone" after they tell you a secret but if you tell someone the secret you'll explode or something. Binding vows with yourself have to be equal because you're basically trading 2 ideas with yourself "I can't sing ever again but now I can dance really well."
Nen restrictions were set up way better, jjk restrictions are floppy and full of holes plus ignore context which makes them easier to abuse, nen power system on top
i said that last chapter, Sukuna traded 2/3 of his domain expansion's duration in exchange for: Getting his domain back in the first place. using the domain with only one hand. the domain getting back its 100% output and range (or 140m, it says its the same as the Shibuya domain) even after all of the nerfs he got. and the domain trapping the Yuji in the middle despite Yuji not being close to the shrine itself.
@@rockargen9591it was stated there were many binding vows and that the duration was not one of them, just a consequence, we don’t know what all sukuna agreed too, hell he could’ve agreed to something that accidentally revived gojo in 260 WE DONT KNOW, learn to read before you act like gege doesn’t know how to write a power system or a hype moment
Nanami’s binding vow and the “Reveal one’s hand” binding vow are peak and i wish we got more like them. And i didn’t even think about how good Higuruma could’ve been with binding vows.
Am I the only one that dislikes Revealing One's Hand? Why do manga/anime constantly need to have their powers explained from the source? Why can't the character's just figure it out as they're fighting? It just feels like a lazy way, a get out of jail free card, to have characters talk about their powers. Also do we ever see just how much more powerful they get after the explanation? Because to me it looks like nothing changes.
@@paledrakeeh, I think it works. In JJK, some explaining IS done. But alot of figuring out happens too. Like when Sukuna figures out MAHORSGA technique or like Yuji getting caught out by all of Choso's insane blood techniques.
Sukuna is that kid on the Playground where my "powers do this and that if you do this and that" lol. Reminds me of Nanika is HxH except Nanika would kill almost anyone unless it is Killua.
No you don't get it. Killua was the only one that knew how her powers worked. Anyone else could get what they wanted without consequence if they knew his method.
@@s3eriousbl9ck26 i know killua knows how her power work. So its like Sukuna is the only one who knows how binding vow works since it doesnt look like he sacrifices much.
Maybe Sukuna is so delusional that he holds everything he owns to a higher level than everything else, so regardless of what he trades a Binding Vow works (The Choujin X video has been confirmed)
i feel like the main reason why gojo never used a binding vow is that he's never needed to use one sukuna was probably fucking fighting his life in the heian era while the one time gojo actually had to fucking try was like toji Is it still bullshit stupid that he never used a single one? yeah lmao
sukuna used a stolen technique and cheated with binding vows so hard only to be able to contend with gojo and some people still believe he s actualy stronger than gojo lol. Nevermind gojo being a retard and forgeting that he can fking teleport for miles
people don't' realize this. sukuna was born in a time where people like gojo existed everywhere. thats why sukuna will always be stronger. he had to deal with nonsense sorcerers with ridiculous techniques left and right.
@@raptimeleavebuster5766 if people like gojo were everywhere then sukuna wouldn't have survived the heian era. Maybe people like the other special grade's level was common but not gojos
@@raptimeleavebuster5766 Who, out of everywhere Heian era sorcerer we've seen, is even close to Gojo's level? Sukuna lived in a time where everyone was Yuta's level, not Gojo's.
@@raptimeleavebuster5766 Gojo never existed before, thats the whole point of Sukuna needing Maho to teach him how to evolve his CT so that he can finally kill people like Gojo and thereby become the strongest theoretical being. The advice he gave Jogo about sacrificing everything and reaching Gojo applies to him as well, he had that fire and drive to evolve himself to beat Gojo.
In my head I’m just imagining the moment Sukuna breaks a vow and starts getting the adverse side effects. It will be the same energy as when aizen started losing and got sealed by kisuke.
Can somebody genuinely tell me this: How does Sukuna, tearing off Yuji's finger, and force feeding it to Megumi does not break the conditions for the 'Enchain' binding vow? The ones which specified Sukuna won't harm or kill anyone during the 1 minute he's in control. Hell, even if we assume the finger tearing doesn't count because Yuji's selflessness or something, still, he force fed that shit to Megumi. Grabbed his face and shoved it down his throat. Seems harmful to me. Did potential man just enjoy it so the binding vow didn't break or what? Does grabbing someone's face and shoving down a torn off finger down their mouth not count as harm?
BUMgumi's bum particles were so incredibly ass that they made the binding vow turn off, as even a piece of the power system could not hold a good fight against BUMgumi's stench. However, Sukuna has been known to love bums (Uraume and Megumi), giving him an easy chance to change bodies.
He also hit Hana/Angel to knock her out. How did that not count as hurting someone? He even says “oh no I broke the vow I hope nothing happens! This is a gamble from here on out” and then Gege tries to write a “gotcha!” moment of “oh well anyone doesn’t include MYSELF!” But he already hurt Hana/Angel??? 😭
Binding Vows is whatever the author wants them to be, even if it retcons what they were earlier or completely throws the established logic out of the window. Good writing? Never heard of it.
next chapters sukuna going to make the binding vow if his heart stops the merger starts since gege tops sukuna so good i wouldn’t be surprised if that happened
One injustice I will never accept from Gege is not letting us see Todo interact with more characters. Like, you're telling me the woman that shaped and defined his entire Persona and shifted his entire life as we know it shares 3 lines of dialogue with him in the 260 chapters of the manga? She was on screen with the crew for several chapters and we ain't even so much as heard a single "Oh hey, how've you been kid?" Doesn't even get to interact with Choso or nothing either. Too many characters don't get to sit down and breathe with other characters before they get murked.
I feel you on the leaks. For me, it's TCB Scans or nothing. But it sucks that we NEED fan translations cuz the official translations are more dogwater than a Geto plan
I'mma be real; I see it coming, but if Todo AND Yuuji die for Megumi's folding ass, I don't know if there's enough alcohol to cope with this. I don't wanna live in a world where Mr. Sister Complex and Miss I-groom-my-brother are the primary survivors.
The problem is the price, the prices for getting huge power in jujutsu are too low in comparison to the reward, now, take Kurapika for example, his eyes take his life away when he uses then and his chain jail will kill him if he uses in anything that is not phantom troupe, which are a group of people amongst thousands of nen users, yeah, his powers are super strong, but he is heavily penalised for it
SPOILER FOR THE HXH MANGA IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT PAST THE ANIME Even if you compare arguably the most asspull nen vow in HXH I can think of which is Hisoka making Bungee Gum restart his heart after Chrollo kills him, it's not guaranteed that it would work at all. We never see anyone come back like that up to this point and he's just trying it out on a whim. Compare it to Hakari, he's vowing a limb he's gonna regen anyway to another shot at life. It would make more impact if he say, sacrificed his arm but he could no longer use RCT on it.
@@arogel1999 For the bungee gum, it is a bit abusive of “nen after death” and I hope we get to see some other consequences on Hisoka (is he a zombie withering away?) because right now it seems like he got a 1-UP and a nen buff for no price at all. Tbf, the Hakari one is one of the better written BVs . He did not sacrifice an arm for his life. He sacrificed energy reinforcement on his arm to boost it higher than he could otherwise on the rest of his body. THIS WAS NOT GUARANTEED TO SAVE HIM. Hakari GAMBLED it would be enough to survive the explosion but he had no way of knowing. It fits the character and it’s an energy exchange comparable to the goated Overtime BV.
@@gerharddamm5933Except nen that become stronger after death isn't a nen vow, Hisoka used his bungee gum around his heart in the hope that after he dies his bungee gum would gain a significant boost to restart his heart. There was no vow nor exchange. As The 2nd prince of Kakin, Camilla says, nen that becomes stronger after death is the most powerful nen that exists.
Actually the binding vow was made before then In exchange for not doing crazy chain detonations outside the domain (the version that killed Jogo), inside the domain it will blow up everything (the version that killed Mahoraga)
no it, didn't get stronger at all. The binding vow is really just, I can only hit 1 target outside the domain but it's faster and its range is higher inside the domain. The explosion was just, something unrelated entirely.
@@gojirarex5138 The chain explosion is from hitting multiple targets, specifically all the things hit with cleave and dismantle. The binding bow itself expands this technique to the domain allowing it to detonate everything inside. The big explosion is, indeed, because of the binding vow
@@beywheelzhater8930 "despite their absurd firepower, the flames within the furnace lack both speed and range. To ammend this sukuna undertook another binding vow. "Outside of his domain, Furnace can't be used on multiple targets."" That's the binding vow, unable to use against multiple targets Outside of the domain itself, in exchange it's faster and has more range. "The binding vow enabled sukuna to not only reduce all within melavolent shrine's range to dust, but ensure that all the resulting particles were matted in the explosive cursed energy akin to furnace" this is not part of the binding vow itself, but a separate use case of it. Due to the binding vow he can do this, but the binding vow itself isn't for this. Comparing it to another one, like the gojo one, the vow isn't to kill gojo, it's to use the world slash without handsigns once. What sukuna uses the slash on isn't considered in the binding vow. Atleast that's how I understood it, if you have another explanation of what is said feel free to share it.
My understanding of the furnace binding vow was that before the vow it was slow but could be used on multiple people inside and outside the domain. After the binding vow it was slow outside the domain and could only be used on one person, and inside the domain it was faster. Importantly the big explosion in 259 is not just furnace. Sukuna's domain turns everything to dust because of the slashes and dust catches fire really easily, the furnace is just the spark that causes the big explosion.
Dust doesn't actually catch fire that easily, it's only dust that's ALREADY made of stuff that catches fire, like flour or sugar, dust from concrete and rubble (the lind of dist that would be there in the battle field) wouldn't catch fire because concrete itself doesn't catch fire, I don't know who came up with that explanation but it's just another asspull.
@@abdobelbida7170Well, I mean Sukuna lived during the Heian Era where there was wood and other flammable materials. Plus, what about the materials INSIDE the buildings?
@@robotizedcyborg7788 this vaccum bomb thing is being brought up in context of last chapter so not just heian era stuff. not everything inside the building is made of flammable stuff(kinda for the same reason as the building itself), there just isn't enough of the flammable stuff to blow up everything as we saw.
@@abdobelbida7170wasn’t it stated that the CE of fire arrow is what explodes “everything is coated in flammable cursed energy” iirc, so it wouldn’t be the concrete and metal, but the energy of the domain going off and causing tons of blasts
the worst part about the world cut binding vow is that he already had to do the hand signs and chants. What he exchanged for skipping those steps and (seemingly) making it invisible to the six eyes, was that he now needs to (and get this) aim it with his hand... such a fair binding vow, literally saved his life and all it takes for him to do it now is pointing his hand at something. Amazing.
Prior to the binding vow, the only condition to use the World Slash was just the enmaten hand sign. It is only after the binding vow that he needs the conditions of chants. Because of the binding vow, the requirement of World Slash is 3 arms (one to aim the trajectory of the slash and two to do the Enmaten hand sign) and he needs to chant. It is worth noting that World Slash would be COMPLETELY unusable if it wasn't for Sukuna's true form, and is also the reason why he can't use the World Slash now since he only has two arms. The fact that the move is so telegraphed is the reason why people like Maki and Kusakabe (although Sukuna basically told him he was going to do it) were able to defend against it before Sukuna could actually use it and hit them.
@@numbers1476 No, originally he had to do both Enma hand signs and the chants, BUT he was missing a hand and couldnt do the signs. So he imposed a binding vow to let him skip the requirements to do it one time, in exchange for having to aim it with his palm. and yes, its pretty confusing, it does seem like it says he added both chants and aiming part. But actually, it first talks about the hand signs and the hand signs alone bc thats the only part that matters, he could complete the chants, but not the hand signs so they only mention those. then when explaining the full binding vow, it makes enphasis on the aiming part, as in: "Sukuna now needs to complete both chants and signs... *and* guide it with his palm". Idk about you, but to me, that indicates that he only added the last part in, not the entire thing. Plus, it wouldnt make much sense either for such a powerful slash to only require one hand sign to activate at first, or for Sukuna to need to add that much when he has been getting stuff almost for free every other time.
@@rockargen9591 I see where the confusion comes from. I'll just leave it as a difference in interpretation since there really isn't a way for me to go against it. I only came to the conclusion I did because the explanation within the manga completely voids the chants until the last part where it describes the requirements after the binding vow. Although, to be fair, there are a lot of powerful techniques that only have one requirement, such as Comedian, Limitless (only in the case for Gojo), Black Bird Manipulation (although only due to binding vows), and Bom Ba Ye (which should've killed Kenjaku).
Someone finally gets it! Binding vows are the most bs thing in JJK. Don’t like the parameters of the trade? Just break it and make a new one. Free of consequences…
Actually I don't know where but I seem to remember that you can't break a binding vow with yourself, like you just don't have that possibility depending on how you made it. The exchanges between two parts make sense since it's a trade yet to be made in a tangible way, Sukuna could have decided to hurt people during that minute that he was in control (bullshit all the same because it didn't include Yuji but that is a Gege problem), that also goes for the pact that Kenny and Mechamaru did, since Mahito could well have decided not to enact it and he would have been punished in some way. In contrast, Nanami couldn't have broken his binding vow since so doing would mean that it never had validity in the first place, that would just be a net gain by giving nothing in return. He gave up his 100% potential during the day so that from that day forward he would attain some extra power during the overtime hours, which just becomes a permanent thing thereon. The problem with Sukuna is that Gege is using binding vows with tradeoffs that don't really seem to carry any weight because we only ever get to see what Sukuna gains, like, up to this point he'd never even had a reason to use Furnace on multiple people, nor did it seem like it would have been more effective than what he was doing already, it simply served to explain why he never did rather than something that was really detrimental to him. Even worse is the case in the fight with Gojo, where he gave up the stupid hand sign in exchange for being able to basically one-shot the strongest character in the series without him seeing it coming, which obviously will seem like bullshit because it is when you execute it that way.
Stop the bs about what happened after binding vows and focus on actual vow and equivalent exchange. Space cutting dismantle. To skip a step one time he has to add an extra step all the time. Kamino. To skip range on multiple people outside, he adds range in domain so speed wouldn't matter. That's the definition of equivalent exchange. Sukuna is just smart af.
@@bu11ymaguirethe problem is that unlike nen restrictions, it seems binding vows can be abused because they don’t take into account the user’s ulterior motives. It’s like the example he gave of the car in the video. Who cares that I lose this or that ability if I never really plan to use it in that way and benefit immensely in the way that I will actually use it (furnace in an enclosed space filled with suspended flammable particles). Nana I’d is simple and elegant: Give up 80% during work hours, get 120% during off hours. As equivalent as it gets. FAIR. Sukuna’s is more like, give up the ability to swim to run at super speed oh and by the way I never plan to get in water lmao. Anyway I don’t think it’s as narratively poor as other people but it definitely opens a plot hole that Gojo did not use any busted ass binding vows in his fight.
@@gerharddamm5933 what's ulterior motives in equivalent exchange? You cant kill someone with 1 lac. But you can with a 100k gun. So the idea is to buy a gun in exchange of equal value. Binding vow doesn't give af what you do with the gun if you exchange it with 100k. In retrospect, 80% at work hour is also busted if you only work when you are 120%. It depends. Binding vow doesn't give af. That's why smart people get away with manipulation. Btw what would you want gojo to do? A sure hit uv hit. Binding vows dont really work that well in gojos case.
@@bu11ymaguire the fact binding vows can be made instantly on the fly with no time restrictions or spamming restrictions completely dismantles your argument. Not to mention that Sukuna’s “newly forged vow” domain expansion literally looks like a second domain expansion ability. You are telling me that “an escape route”(literally 200 meters away from the center)is a fair trade for infinite targeting ability? Yeah right lol
If anyone is saying sukuna is not serious they are coping harder then gojo fans Sukuna literally used 2-3 vows mid battle to get W's he would've lost otherwise 1 bypassing the world slash requirement to kill gojo 2 making a domain held by duck tape 3 and using the fire arrow with the dollar store domain (not sure if it was or not)
The World Dismantle binding vow was to let him use it with one hand to kill Gojo in exchange for needing chants and hand seals for all future uses. Expanding Malevolent Shrine with a one handed seal and sacrificing none of its power was in exchange for the domain only being able to stay open for 99 seconds. The Furnace arrows can only be used in 1v1s outside his domain. And inside Malevolent Shrine he has to slice everything up with Cleave and Dismantle in order to "preheat" the furnace. (This being how he killed Mahoraga back in Shibuya.)
I never got hakaris binding vow to sacrifice his arm to save his life. Like that isn’t equivalent exchange, that’s just straight up a win. Would much rather be alive with one arm than dead. I haven’t finished the video but I’m sure it’s great as always
I think its most likely he sacreficed haveing cursed energy protect him in his arm to increase reinforcement in the rest of his body kinda like what gon did vs the bomber sacrificing his hand to be able to use that nen in charging his gagonken
I feel like Gege is setting up a scenerio where Sukuna contradicts his binding vows to the point where he gets a penalty that he can't come back from. Kinda like Sukuna setting himself up to lose.
@@ralframirez700 well it was already stated by kenjaku that breaking a binding vow with yourself doesn't result in any severe consequences, you just lose what you bargained for, and even without that we all know how gege is at this point, sukuna's 1# fan.
I do think they explained Sukuna's chanting and hand signs. Somewhere in an early chapter/episode they said he gave himself extra arms and an extra mouth to be able to chant and sign for himself mid-combat. I also think, yes, Sukuna is bs'ing throughout the fight, but he is also doing exactly what you want a "lawyer sorcerer" to do. Vowing to never use Furnace without the domain to maximise damage makes sense since domains are supposed to be an all out attack that leaves you vulnerable afterwards. Within the logic of the show, it's like saying "I will only use this versatile flame move after doing my sure-fire hit instakill combo". It doesn't make sense, but it's a great minmaxxing strat against harder to kill opponents like Itadori, Gojo, etc. I think the vows and Sukuna's way of handling makes more sense when you process the scope. Man's lived for centuries and will continue to live for centuries. Sure, he's bs'ing his way through this fight, but he's complicating all future fights (decades down the line) and still keeping in mind all his ancient little vows he's been following. It's a bureaucratic nightmare that he's casually adjusting mid-fight.
Me watching as Sukuna (the king of vows) makes a binding vow to get the powers of Alien X, Thanos, Goku, Rimuru, Saitama and the ten eyes (eyes that one shot any living organism Sukuna looks at) but 26 of his ass hairs are lost (peak writing):
Imagine if that fraud of Gojo actually used a binding vow to restore it’s body but at the cost of the six eyes as everyone was theorizing, yeah just imagine. No, imma die a fraud
@@CordobezVeridan thats the biggest gripe with BVs and throws into questions Gojo v Sukuna fight why Gojo didnt do BVs of his own or had one for his 6E. We ll probably get a big reveal later on but its just straight up bad writing, this is the reason why we werent given the one month training. So Gege could use that to make bs and then maybe or not explain it.😅
I cried so bad at choso dying, todo coming after I have been waiting for those two to meet, gregory I'm beating you up in minecraft. I had to download the choso npc in stardew valley to cope.
@@yadafty7671exactly, ppl forget that Gojo did use vows, but Sukuna is just better at them so it didn't pan out. Very frustrating as a fan, but thems the brakes
If Miwa can use vows, anybody can, i don't think we should attribute this abuse to "uh well he's the king of jujutsu that's why he can" if vows took any skill to do, that would be true but Sukunas vows aren't even big brain at all. We just have to take his word for it
I agree binding vows aren't even used properly in jjk for example kurapika's contract in hunter x hunter is executed way better.Sukuna uses binding vows like extra cards.
@@gaelurquiz5755 Counterpoint: Someone else attacks you = You die God makes a contract = You die You break one of the several conditions you put on yourself = you die
@@gaelurquiz5755 you're saying there aren't any downsides, like Kurapika can just kill god. I'm saying sure, unless they fight anyone besides God. Or unless God makes a contract, or so on. It's balanced because everyone can do it, and because the things given away are staggering.
@@gaelurquiz5755 where are these suicide bombers coming from? The government is able to what, groom someone into doing this? Okay, so you're already talking about 14-18 years of investment, and all of that to kill a single individual or small group. How is that not a pretty equal exchange. Creating, raising, grooming, and training someone for that long in exchange for them being good against a few people? ...Also, yeah. Suicide bombing is kinda what the whole Chimera Ant arc was about. If someone completely gives up on their life, they are capable of intense destruction. Netero shows that twice, with Zero Hand and Poor Man's Rose, and Gon shows that against neferpitou.
jesus, why does no one understand the world slash binding vow? A technique not requiring hand signs or chanting has been pretty standard throughout the series. There's plenty of hand signs floating around, but chanting for a normal usage of a technique is non-existent. Plus, we see later (the chapter before the world slash binding vow was revealed, notably) that Sukuna can activate his techniques without moving a muscle. Giving up advanced, no-chants-or-hand-signs activation of a technique to use it without any once seems pretty fair to me. It's actually a fairly low-stakes vow, because most of the work was developing world slash itself. The only thing the vow needed to do was get it off before Gojo started kicking Sukuna's teeth in. Also, he didn't even make the binding vow about Furnace during the Shinuku Showdown. He used the exact same attack on Mahoraga in Shibuya; it's not new. His other binding vows during the fight with Gojo were all about manipulating Sukuna's domain, which Gojo also did prodigiously. Sukuna has still probably used binding vows more and more actively than anyone else in the series. Why? Oh, I don't know, maybe the goddamn King of Curses, the man with the best understanding of the heart of jujutsu sorcery, is better than everyone else present at Jujutsu sorcery? That is why he was able to kill Gojo, you know.
"oh yeah i'm losing this battle against the strongest sorcerer of today and might even die! i know what to do, i'll make a binding vow that takes away virtually nothing from me to give me the ability to just one shot this guy." is the most incoherent, stupid and the biggest plot hole in the last few chapters. fight me.
and before anyone mentions it: i know gojo had to die for the story to progress, or at least get sent to a different planet so he wouldn't be anywhere near the battlefield just so the good guys could fight the big bad sukuna. it makes sense. what doesn't is the way it was executed. everytime i think back on that moment i just seem to become more and more confused.
@@horae6528 honestly, they could have had him kill Gojo after reincarnating. Imagine Gojo and him are fighting in the last domain clash, gojo covered in cuts, RCT fried, and he's about to die, but then slams red and blue together outside sukuna's domain and nails him with hollow purple. Gojo's on his last legs, but thinks he won, then heian comes out of the dust. Gojo does his speech about never really standing a chance, maybe chuckles about Sukuna cheating, then Sukuna kills him. No asspulls that weren't foreshadowed, and a much more understandable fight.
@@benjaminhartsock3281 that sounds like something much better than the awful vows gege has been giving sukuna for plot reasons. like when did vows change from "i need to do have both my feet planted on the ground to use simple domain" to "i can cut through the fabric of reality if i make the handsign and chant. oh and i have 2 mouths and 4 arms btw"
Mostly unrelated to video, but what if someone made a binding vow by explaining their ability in morse code to get the strength boost without giving away their power
236 was a death sentence to both Gojo and Sukuna. Gojo got his character assassinated, Sukuna will forever be remembered as a fraud and a binding vow merchant.
Yep, this explains it perfectly. Sukuna is seemingly able to use binding vows by either giving up nothing or giving up something retroactively that we didn't know he had. They are still great when used properly tho.
Sukuna has made 3 binding vows thus far within the battle. I'll try to explain some of them as well as what he sacrificed. The first binding vow that Sukuna did was to use the World Slash instantly, in exchange for extra requirements to activate the slash. He basically needs three arms (one to point the trajectory of the slash and two to make the Enmaten hand sign) and needs to chant in order to pull it off. It is because of this binding vow that Sukuna can no longer use this move since he only has two hands, and thus lost one of his most powerful techniuqes. The World Slash's nerfs are also why Maki and Kusakabe (although Kusakabe was told by Sukuna that he was gonna use it) was able to properly defend against it. The second binding vow that Sukuna made was to sacrifice the ability to use Furnace on multiple targets and that he can only use the technique in 1v1 situations in order to strengthen the speed and range of the technique. The only time that this doesn't apply is when Sukuna is using Domain Expansion. It is worth noting that because of this binding vow, Sukuna can no longer use Furnace anymore since he is unable to do anymore Domain Expansions (hopefully) and because he is almost always in a 1v2+ scenario. The third binding vow was related to opening his Domain in the first place. Honestly, I can't give you an answer of what Sukuna sacrified since Gege doesn't tell us. This is the only binding vow that isn't explained in good detail and is the most valid when it comes with people's issue with binding vows. This is not anything to defend binding vows and their use of just being plot devices, but he is still at least sacrificing SOMETHING and it is impacting his performance and his future performance.
@@numbers1476 Yea, I'm aware of all of that. I'm perfectly fine with what Sukuna lost in the World Slash BV. I'd much prefer it was revealed earlier since it left people wondering how he'd used it vs Gojo, but I'm fine with it. The Kamino BV is unnecessary and weird. Not only was he giving up something we didn't know he had to begin with (giving up Kamino's potential for AoE damage), but this wasn't even needed in the first place. Gege could've removed this BV entirely and nothing changes. Just make Kamino not suck ass in range and speed (we've only seen it used twice before now and it has never been dodged so this would still make sense). Sukuna would still have to use Cleave and Dismantle to unlock Kamino and can still use it in his DE explosion attack. If anything, the BV should've been that Sukuna intentionally locks Kamino behind Cleave and Dismantle in exchange for the same benefits. And we agree on the domain expansion BV, nothing more needs to be said.
@@numbers1476 I like how you claim the 3rd one is the only one with issues while at the same time having 'hopefully' in your explaination of BV 2 for him popping a domain.
@@axis1247 Mainly because that statement was made before it was confirmed that Sukuna could use his Domain Expansion again lol. I was simply making an educated guess and assumed that the Domain Expansion took a lot of CE from him and he couldn't do it again, and thus making the Binding Vow go into effect.
@@obe1_kenobi Your suggestion of BV still falls under your issue of "giving up something retroactively that we didn't know he had" and "nothing changes". Even then, it doesn't really matter much because that is the reason why Gege tells us what the BV was so we know what he had previously and what he gained, especially since it isn't inconsistent and aligns with how it was used previously for the most part. It is something that is essentially just a non-issue.
I feel like the binding vow used against Gojo was complete bullshit. Considering that if Sukuna didn't use a binding vow right then and there, he would've LITERALLY DIED. Either that or he would transform with no ce, rct or anything meaning he still dies either way. You'd think that in exchange for killing someone of your strength level instantly while you're at deaths door would require you to permanently sacrifice 75% of your cursed energy or outright losing your cursed techniques but the only thing he lost was being able to use the insta-kill world slash without hand signs and chants.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people that say it’s not broken and just smart aren’t seeing the real issue: Binding vows seem to ignore context. They happen in a vacuum and disregard how the user will take advantage at the moment. Makes sense to exchange having to put a new restriction on something every time you use it for a one time buff (no signs), sure. But in the context of the fight at that moment you’re exchanging future inconvenience FOR YOUR FUCKING LIFE. THAT is what is exploitable about the vows, which I don’t remember being as much of a loophole in nen contracts.
@gerharddamm5933 binding vows are also a lot more uh concrete and formal compared to most hxh vows. Kurapika had to enforce his own vow with another ability they can't let you just modify abilities on the fly
@@gerharddamm5933I stand by the opinion that binding vows generally making sense and are not nearly as bad as people make it out to be but this is incredibly well put and is why that moment, even after the binding vows reveal, doesn't quite sit right with me.
Whole thing that makes BV's powerful and abusable is they ignore context, so just simply not having to chant for this one slash, at the cost of whatever he put the downside as is a fair trade, because the BV didn't know it was gonna be used in life or death, and the BV didn't know sukuna can now do world slash with a full charged dismantle, stop complaining about stuff that made sense
maybe id have to go back and read it but it was probley implied that when gojo made his domain smaller it was with a binding vow sense that seems to be how sukuna is manupulating his domain is with binding vows also wail I dont hate the furance explanation and its consistent with what we saw in shibuya but just make it a condition of the domain instead of a binding vow that means nothing
Gojo didnt use binding vows, it was manipulating the way he constructed the barrier of his domain, something anyone skilled enough can do. Dagon was even doing this in S1 as a cursed womb. Sukuna on the other hand, does need binding vows bc his domain works differently, not only does output affect it (unlike Gojo or Dagon cuz their sure hit isnt really an attack), but it also has no barrier and affects everything. changing the size of *his* domain is extremely important since it *does* affect who is caught in it. But Gojo's domain doesnt do this, expanding the barrier would just make a bigger ball on the outside and bring him no benefit (cuz he cant just make someone enter it by making it bigger, unlike Sukuna).
This video felt like taking a breath of air after being underwater. Especially the leaks part, FINALLY someone said it!! Btw I'm new here and I gotta say that I love the pacing of this video! Keep 'em coming, king!
What people don't understand or keep forgetting is that jujutsu sorcerers are con artists. Most binding vows with oneself are straightfoward a form of self hypnosis. Binding vows like the ones Miwa used against Kenjaku and Sukuna did to kill Gojo are the exception. And they are too serious for the sorcerer to dare violate it. But the ones where Sukuna says that Malevolent Shrine should be stronger because it allows for a escape round, are mental ginastics sorcerers use to adjust their power to their circunstances. The goal is to get away with more than you bargained for. Sukuna new domain forces to be a sitting duck and is a clear prodict of desperation.
Sukuna lost AOE with furnace, its slower, he has to chant, and loses alot of range, and that's bad??? Sukuna needs to chant, and point for the world slash, and that's bad??? would you rather him have a lot of aoe, fast, doesnt need to chant, and has long range? would you rather Sukuna just look at everyone and shoot out world slashes like normal dismantles? Sukuna haters gettin' outta hand LOLL
Jjk binding vows hold no weight in hunter x hunter the main 2 we see hold huhe ramifications, kurapika is slowly chipping away his lifespan with each use of emperor time and Gon lost his nen entirely because of his, in jjk you can use a binding vow so fluidly and without repercussion. You can even do dubious things like give up a percentage of attack potency to increase effective range or time duration making essentially any attacking technique infinitely moldable to any situation theyre too flexible in my opinion. It makes me wonder why no one else abuses them, like if a characters energy technique of some sort (lets just say a hypothetical blast) was going to miss its target whats stopping the sorcerer from enacting a binding vow to drop its power to double its size so now it hits, nothing really. Binding vows are a little too ease of use
