@@nateclipps , it sort of difficult to follow what their point is. Other than capitalism is bad and socialism is supposed to be good? Every example of socialism leads to rampant poverty and dependence on someone else to provide for you. Capitalism (Free Market Capitalism) depends on a free exchange of goods, services, and work without force - where all who freely participate profit and become better off. Slavery is a prime example of socialism, not free market capitalism. Slavery, like socialism, work for the master or government and master or government take care of you and your every need.
This is the level conversation we had before actors, actresses and hip hop artists became our spokespersons and supposedly "leaders". Being rich or a celebrity did not qualify you for leadership
Yes! Times up for the games. .. And we must realize UNITY is what's going to change this narrative, and unity looks like 0 tolerance for anyone perpetuating our destruction, including other blacks! E.g celebrities HELPING perpetuate stereotypes that are helping kill our children.
Angela Davis, Stuckley Carmichael, and Willian Lucy is right on point. This was the Podcast of the day back then. You can't get no more grassroots than Fanny Lou Hammer. Power to the People. ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Thing is... Love Angela Davis, however, her inclusive rebuttal BEHIND Dr. Francess Cress Welsings was WAAAY OFF BASE [IMO]. "WE HAVE NO FRIENDS" - DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE You will NEVER SEE ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP/race, at a sit down, [INCLUDE] BLACKS AS A "PEOPLE STRUGGLING TOO". - THIS YOU WILL NEVER WITNESS!! THIS... IS WHAT WE MUST STOP ✋️ WE MUST STEER HEAD ON, FULL STEAM AHEAD, ALL HANDS ON DECK "BLACK PEOPLE" ONLYEEE!!! TIME FOR US PULL OUT THE SELFISH CARD. BEEN LONG PAST DUE!! - RESPECT ANGELA DAVIS 👊🏾✊🏾✌🏾💐
Awe it was so precious to hear Fannin Fannie Lou Hamer say she never heard a President talk so much and say nothing. It's a good thing she never met Trump. Oh, good times.
She was a powerful speaker and spoke from the heart and soul. Lyndon B. Johnson made a concerted effort with the major tv networks and went on live tv to prevent the people from hearing Fannie Lou Hamer, who was delivering a scheduled speech that addressed the plight of Black people in this so-called democratic society.
@@febe11111 Well said. We need to starve the corporations! No more amazon! Support and invest black businesses! Boycott everything that isn't black/brown owned. Its going to be easier said than done, but our future depends on it!
Intelligent, Strong, Driven, and Passionate Black Men and Women having an intelligent conversation/discussion about Black Liberation. This is true Black Excellence.
Then in just a few years later, "Black Culture " came in an ruined it completely . Just imagine any of these articulate and clear speaking people trying to get through to any people in "The Hood". Just imagine what would happen. See what I mean?
This is great to see, intelligent Black men and women on a panel, talking about things that really mattered. Today, it is podcasts of up to 3 hours talking about how evil the black women are and all the problems of the community is all their fault. Sad times we live in today.
KWame was my friend.i am the youngest member ever back in 1995 when i joined his org.i met Angela at Geronimo Pratts homecoming party i believe that happened in 1997. I miss Kwame Every single day! When he and i finally met in person he gave me his home address in Guinnea Bissau. I wish he hadnt passed away the following year. He taught us so much and loved us so much and felt the same anguish we do. Rise in Power my brother my friend my comrad Kwame. :)
Lu Loa - Back then people had manners. Even when they disagreed with your arguments they will hear you out. Something that is completely lost today even among the allegedly "educated class" Their parents did not teach them you see....
Forty eight years later. Many of these panelists are now ancestors, and unfortunately we still have the same unresolved issues.Much respect to the late, inimitable Tony Brown.
Each panelist offered predictions from their own unique perspective. Yet, incredibly, despite their differences, each panelist seemed to predict something that came true. Cenie Williams (and others) predicted the disproportionate detrimental effects that Nixon’s policies had on black communities, Angela Davis and Kwame Ture predicted the limitations of true revolutionary change within capitalist structures, Fannie Lou Hammer discussed how the pervasiveness of racism united blacks across class lines, etc. It’s a paradox that so many differing perspectives can simultaneously be correct.
I think none more so poignant than the predictions of Angela Davis and Kwame Ture. I think much of "the Black problem" today is rooted in the crumb-like gains a few Black people were thrown/given/earned through capitalism in the 80's that set us on this current path. We've spent three months in uprising, but still no real collectivism among us because so many of us are caught in capitalism's grip. We'll only go so far, so as not to lose the homes, the cars, the luxury items, etc that we've grown accustomed to. Any talk about group economics inevitably devolves in to in-fighting (and shameless self-promotion). People are afraid to lose their jobs, and we've completely eroded the informal community safety-net systems. We need let go of our celebrity gaze, or attachment to our Apple products, and our desire to stunt for the gram if we're going to come together to get anywhere.
@@IzUp2u8813 Facts. Well stated. Like " we've completely eroded the informal community safety-net systems. We need let go of our celebrity gaze, or attachment to our Apple products, and our desire to stunt for the gram if we're going to come together to get anywhere."
Both Brother Kwame Ture, Sister Fannie Lou Hamer and Sister Angela Davis are our African political warriors that have fought their blood and sweat for us. Brother Kwame Ture and Sister Fannie Lou Hamer have gone but their memories will always be with us.
Fear is hidden whatever language we speak, whatever streight idea behind defensors of liberties...because to succeed means nor to be death neither to be alive... But risking ourselves ... before Humanity...! CÉSAR VALLEJO DIXIT. Peruvian National Poet. "Un hombre pasa con un pan al hombro (shoulder)."
Well you can see that the adoption of "Black Culture" is the reason for the failure of Blacks compared to others. A culture that worships criminals, thugs and Hoes, A culture where if you speak clearly and articulately, you are "Trying to be "White". And finally a culture who sags their pants , showing their underwear, in Western Society. This is like saying "We want NO PART of your society". You've shot yourselves in the foot, and are blaming the very people and culture that is 100% behind your success. It's sad how no one seems to see this.
I'm a 30 year old man and I'm soaking up so much black knowledge lately then I ever had in my life. Everyday after work I watch or read something about us black folks and I'm just proud to be a black King... Love you all my Kings n Queens ✊🏿✊🏿 still safe out there
🦅 As an Oglala Lakota, I always love learning about Black American Nationalism. I see the similarities in our oppression more so than the culture wars and distractions they try to force on us. Huey P. reminded me of the profound materialism of my Indigenous Communalist ancestors who understood intersectionality and interconnection. It is through this dialogue of the oppressed that we may find the truth of our exploitation at the hands of the colonizers and capitalists. Thank you for sharing this and to everyone who took the time to read this. Pilamaya, and Mitakuye Oyasin! 🥰
😭 Wopila Tanka to Unci Angela for mentioning Wounded Knee. I am overcome knowing that the direct actions of my relatives have reached the ears of minds of great thinkers such as she. 🥰
Back when black activists, thinkers and politicians met to discuss these issues. They’ve been strategically replaced with entertainers today. Moving backwards.
I am now 67 years old and grew up listening to and experiencing the problems discussed on this panel...the problems discussed here are the same ones we have today. I believe these problems are spiritual. Tragedy bonding is not unity and race is not a basis for positive action. An objective examination of human beings reveals our divine nature and the true path for our lives...
My deceased older brother met and made a quick friendship with Angela Davis when she was helping to organize the students at "Old" Los Angeles High in the 1968-69 school year.
Such a powerful discourse. The respect for one another, the sheer focus on understanding one another and finding solutions is something that is lost in today’s society.
den goda energin växer. tid och rum har ingen påverkan i slutet av dagen likaväl som början. allt handlar om värderingar i oss själva och i andra. 🖖🏾🖖🖖🏻🖖🏿
@@tracywalker244 It wouldn't be as impossible as you think. There are ways for small groups like on the panel to be invisible and then desseminate that to as many black persons as possible and get their feedback as well. God rest
This is what we need, we need strong black activist on the forefront who can articulate our thoughts and feelings as a community. I don’t have anything against celebrities but there are too many who are often politically uneducated when it comes to speaking on out key issues. For example, T.I saying Atlanta is Wakanda lol 🤦🏾♀️
With this new generation, very few of us read, and we definitely don’t appreciate the art of conversation as much. Example: it’s now "cool" to claim not to like talking on the phone-but we can’t learn how to speak if we only communicate with each other through short phrases in text message threads.
2022! POWERFUL, INSIGHTFUL! THANK YOU ANCESTORS! I really appreciated that Percy Sutton mentioned that these are all separate perspectives that may agree and disagree at points but are still able to amicably have discourse
I can't help but think how eloquent each member of this panel is, how informed, how educated and how concerned they are for their fellows. I wonder where are those types for us today? Where is true organization for us? When will we get to that unity they all spoke of? then the most unsettling of all thoughts.... Every single one of those people is born of segregation. How many of us can say we know more than 2 members speaking. The contributions of people of color are scrubbed out of school today and we leave our children with no lead to follow. How to kill a movement? Take over the education of the children and teach them to hate themselves, teach them never to dream without bounds.
@@mrhoopfan1 To be forced to seek information & or knowledge about oneself heritage is a means for a negative impact within the individuals growth and foundation for life. Basically no matter how people sugar coat or ignore it.
Super impressed by Tony Brown's ability to keep the discussion going and on track. And all the panelists for being so cool with each other. Would have liked to hear more from Fanny Lou Hamer, though.
The problem in my opinion is that a large number of us still by honest God believe that this white suprematist capitalist system can be reformed. Hell today I was watching a political video of black youtube pundit still petal electoralism. It can’t, America was built with our blood and this horrible system still needs it through exploitation to keep operating. The supposed equality of opportunity is another agent of control, to get repressed people to believe in the capitalist system. There may be some black millionaires, but not every black can be a millionaire. We have to organize with other colonized groups and create the social system that is beneficial to us.
DairangerSentai7, in answer to your question, "What is still the same". Dr. Claude Anderson has been stating in lectures and writing in his books that today 4 June 2020, Blacks in 1720 owned 0.1%of u.s. financial wealth. In 1775 Blacks owned 0.1% u.s.wealth. In 1778 Blacks owned 0.1% 0f u.s. wealth. In 1820 Blacks owned 0.1% of u.s. wealth. In 1920 Blacks owned 0.1% of u.s. wealth. In 2020 Blacks own 0.1% of all u.s. financial wealth. Kunta Kinte worked so some white kkk idiot like george washington could be rich from murder, torture, theft, lies etc... Today A N Y BLACK works for some piece of immoral crap who owns the company because his evil grandparents destroyed any humanity in this land so their family could be born financially rich and die rich AND NEVER HAVE A JOB in their lives.
Probably because they were out there pounding the ground, they felt a sense of urgency. They probably felt impatient with some of what sounded like bureaucracy. All talk and no action makes some impatient.
I am loving this discussion so far, this is needed times now that we are in with cost of living, unemployment, overpopulation in prisions, police brutalities, Black Lives Matter, & etc. This discussion was ahead of its time with addressing capitalism, social issues, unemployment, & etc. 💯
This should be re-established as an annual council - what else comes closer to a black political party than this? Angela Davis is still here, she could moderate. And it's basically a round table.
Its 2020 and the words Angela Davis & Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael) still ring true. Notice who and which ideology lasts. True revolutionaries these two
staybalanced they don’t want to hear it at all. They also ignore Jim Jones and the ideologies that allowed him to so conveniently kill many black men, women and children.
Hassan Stewart That was funny! The operator came on the line asking the caller to put money into the pay phone in order to continue the call. Don’t see pay phones too often any more.
Everything happens in Cycles, it's amazing how nothing has never changed from that time that you hear these individuals speak, up until present time 20/20.
PBS would air this wayyyy before B.E.T or the O.W.N. These types of videos should be mandatory in all educational institutions for all grade levels. These types of videos should be shown nonstop like a constant marathon on all social media. Not just during "Black History " month🤔 Just like how we dig into our album crates , we need to dig deeper for more like this. Black History Month is every month until All are educated and non are forgotten. Let's talk about those who've made undocumented and unrecognized "Black History!"
@Akim Smith Absolutely! All of whom represent Black revolution/liberation, not this "why can't we all just learn to work within the system" nonsense some on that stage said then&what some continue to say now.
I love the fact these now legendary figures were talking about class solidarity and connecting it with racial unity! Representation alone don't mean anything if poor and working-class Black people aren't included.
This is when Black people did not take pleasure in being exactly what white people wanted them to be....loud, rude, disrespectful to each other, etc. DIGNITY, even in disagreement, was important. Awesome stuff!
As we can see we are having these same conversations in 2020. I think it’s sufficient to say that working within a broken system isn’t possible. This empire is going to fall. It’s in stage 6 out of 7 of the making and fall of an empire. Stage 6 is lost faith in the system. We won’t make significant moves until we are out of options. This time is coming. Unfortunately because we have regressed over the last 47 years many of us won’t survive the greatest depression modern man has ever known! Let go of trying to be integrated with the oppressor! There are entire towns that have been abandoned around the country. We need to buy those towns and rebuild our own communities. Establish our own codes of conduct, own police, own schools, hospitals etc.
Cromwell Financial and Insurance THIS!!! Spot on. We are so comfortable in our oppression that separation from OUR OPPRESSORS is such a frightening thing. SMH
Just Indifferent EXACTLY. I will never try to convince literal demons that I deserve to live or that I deserve to be treated like a human being. They are the ones that created that LIE , and integrated it into the U.S. education system and the media.
EXACTLY. We want to be integrated so badly and I could never understand why. We need to have an identity crisis as a people and separate ourselves from the oppressor mentally at the very least, if not physically.
This is powerful and still a major issue in 2022! I was 5 years old in 1973....I have man respect for my grandparents who raising myself and my brother during that time. My grandparents were 53 and 59 of age. I'm currently 54 living what my grandparents were living and I was playing as a child should and had no worries, not knowing what the struggles were for black people. Thank you for this history.❤️
@E Walker This is the same thing I was thinking... He must have instinctively known that he would've been in a inescapable hot seat amongst all those great minds in the room.
@@AriElite111 Marcus Garvey was wrong. RazorBladeKandy was white. Chinweizu synthesized both their ideas but it was Rollo Tomassi who perfected them. His text The Rational Male currently has far more appeal than the myriad of black nationalist literature already in circulation. It so happens that he published it the same year Tommy Curry challenged the fantasy of male privilege, referring to being a black male as a death sentence . His The Man Not however was not the first text to address the shortcomings of fem-centric pan-africanism. Nor was his recent 'Decolonising the Intersection' despite highlighting his attempts to emphasise the role of misandry in black female thinking. Chinweizu (Anamtomy of female power) and Shahrazad Ali (The Black Mans Guide) also made similar efforts but it was George Subira (1992) who hit the mark . Unlike Chinweizu, Subira did not draw upon Esther Vilar's 1976 classic, The Manipulated Man. Unlike most disciplined minds, Subira was an original thinker and one of the first to advocate a programme of economic leadership. Most modern black rhetoricians can offer no such programme or agenda because they are largely victims of black female programming. Their minds were long domesticated meaning they are reduced to reproducing aimless echo chambers almost every time they talk. Neely Fuller (1957) was not hostage to such conditioning but his programme seems to have a key fault. Despite realising the incredible driving motivating force of sexual expression , he still managed to downplay it's role, especially how it compares to the larger logic of antiblackness and global white terror domination. Although Charles Mills (1997) did indirectly develop his ideas, he neglected to integrate the foundation his own work borrowed from, "The Sexual Contract." (1996) Neil Postman, like Jeff Schmidtt, was one of the few people capable of making sense of these divergent ideas (much like John Gatto and Jan Matthews were two of those rare individuals with the pieces of the puzzle.) Conventional panafrikanism doesn't even realise there is a jigsaw to be solved. It has a distorted conception of itself because it views the world through a damaged lens incapable of accountability and self-reflection. PanAfrikanism will not produce any quick results either because unlike Chinweizu, Subira and Curry, it still refuses the interrogate and recognise the role of women in sabotaging the afrikan agenda. Texts like Addicted to White work towards this, only, in this age of intersectional confusion and fragmented voices in the wind, it isn't necessary to silence this perspective; it is enough just to drown it out. Jacques Ellul and Guy Debord surely foresaw this tragic arrangement, when few others could. Men have been fooled, black and white. It is no longer a question of race-first but male first, if not black-male first at the very least. Men are going to have to muster the clarity and courage to challenge the corporate-feminine regime dominating their "emptied" lives. If anything is to be redeemed black thinkers will need to prioritise the black pill and realise that the fundamental question of what it means to be a woman is as urgent as the need to ask what it means to be white. Gwiz +447939642873 Omalone11@gmail.com Addendum: 1. Attention to a woman is like a blowjob to a man 2. When a man's contempt for women surpasses his lust for them, only then shall he become wise 3. Women think all men are the same - that is their strength. Men think all women are different - that is their weakness 4. A man's facade of strength is his biggest weakness; a woman's facade of weakness is her biggest strength 5. Men fake interest, women fake orgasms A. Women are not to be loved; they are to be handled B. Women are not complicated; they are complicating C. A man must value his time the same way women put premiums on their body D. Men struggle for physical dominance but women opt for social domination E. Men compete; women conspire
I love that the guy said he doesn't think anyone needs leaders. I commented on a post where the young lady said where are our leaders. I said we have to stop looking for leaders and do our part individually. Black people thought I was crazy. We have to become unprogrammed.. unplug from the matrix.
"That is the only president in the history of my time...that can talk an hour and not say nothing". -Fannie Lou Hammer (1973) Sounds like a president in my time (2020).
This was a wonderful forum that definitely kept my attention for its duration. It’s unfortunate that Dr. Cress was not present in order to better articulate the theory of white supremacy and genetic annihilation.
I teach at an international school and many of my students have never been exposed to black intellectualism. I specifically teach a unit on rhetoric and dialectics. Aside from James Baldwin, Malcolm X, Luis Farrakhan, I am now very excited to add this! It even has Stokely Carmichael!
JB,MX & LF has expressed what America really is...Stop teaching if you're not going to reveal & include all perspectives! Accept it...you can't sweep America's brutality under a rug...My worst teacher lied to me !
HEAVY PANEL. EVERYBODY, TAKE NOTES !...Percy Sutton, Malik Shabazzs' Lawyer, 1 of the 1st Blacks to own, 100%, a Radio station, & 1 of our TX. Homeboys, & a Prairie View A&M graduate. Not to discount the other panelist' CONTRIBUTIONS to our struggle...
I actually was in the coalition of black trade unionists mentorship program when I was much younger. I really didn't know or appreciate what it was then.
We are in the same position now. The only difference I see is a vague sense of optimism in the panel about the ability to change things for the better, whether within or outside the system. We lost that.
34:12 Kwame explaining use value vs exchange value, and that capitalism orients its economy only to create exchange value; destroying use value in the process. And why this harms the average person. It creates many, useless commodities. He's so concise in this real-world example of the waste of capitalists economies.
