Black Panther Fixes Marvel's Most Common Flaws 

I do think that the movie is no better than any marvel movie, it may have better themes in the movie and coloring (and a really decent soundtrack) but I don’t think that beyond that it executed anything well at all. The acting is meh for too many of the cast, other than the ideas, this movie is about as by the books as you can get and The cgi is flat out bad. To be honest, Black Panther is flat out mediocre in character interactions (besides killmonger), to be honest, from a direction standpoint, at times, it’s flat out shit. At times I think It takes all the good things from marvel and shits it out, while taking all the bad part of the marvel franchise and giving it a rhetorical jerk. The movie is just more interesting to think about than watch, and only bothers to express the ideas through dialogue rather than through anything visual, imo it didn’t even bother to take advantage of the visual median in any meaningful way.

Tbh I thought the bathos was worse in this film than in Thor Shuri was a borderline meme and gadget dispenser Thor had a consistent tone while Black Panther bounced around a bit While Black Panther had less bathos,how it was used made it much jarring.

I've not yet seen Black Panther (IKR?), but I must respectfully disagree that Marvel movies are just "passable", especially when people often don't give reasons why, instead focusing on the broad picture of why the franchise is bad rather than why each individual movie is bad, and that includes your bathos video (for the record, the tone was the best element of Wonder Woman). Marvel movies are flawed - I mean, every movie is, even Schindler's List - but to say that they are nothing more than just blockbusters misses the point sometimes, depending on the movie in question. I would be willing to explain specific points, but that will set the bomb off, so I'll only do it if you want me too.

Not everyone who doesn't like the movie is racist, and Wakandans are exceptionnally prejudiced and racist

"I understood that reference"-Cap Also, you are wise to predict that.

He wasn’t shitting on Ragnarok, he was using it as a juxtaposition because that movie epitomizes everything opposite of black panther, and his main problems with MCU films. He wasn’t saying it’s a bad or dumb movie.

He kind of was not so favourable of Thor Ragnarok (Thor 3). They tried serious brooding Thor in Thor 1 and 2, but it didn't work out that well... Not relatable enough.

For me, it doesn't humanize Thor, kinda the opposite actually. It makes him come of as more shallow and self-absorbed.

Ragnarok doesn’t humanize Thor at all imo.. if anything it made me question who he is really.. Ragnarok is not a happy event, it’s not a joke.. but the movie plays it all so much for laughs that by the end none of it really felt impactful.. when you make a powerhouse like Surtur the butt of a joke within the first 15 minutes then your intentions are definitely not humanization of the hero especially when you know their history and Surtur’s history with Odin. Hela was the only character that felt like she was belonged in the movie, she wasn’t brooding but she took it all seriously.. Thor acted like he was on a theme park ride half the time and don’t even get me started on how they wasted that Hulk storyline..they did to Thor the same thing they did to Drax, turned self serious powerful beings into jokesters, and bros.. which is for better or worse..

@@kacethegreat4560 how are you supposed to humanise a space god that lives on a floating world with a magic hammer? To be fair Thor in ragnarok is nothing like in the comics, that Thor closely resembles to the Thor in the first 2 movies, and we all know they were uninteresting and dull movies and ultimately a boring character. Waititi adapted humour to add a element to his character, a different layer that we could relate to, something that would be a universal understanding. Thors behaviour is justified and understandable given the events of infinity war and end game, he gave up who he was meant to be (a stoic emotionless god) to be who he is, Thor.

I thought it was fitting too. Wakanda was T'Challa's entire world, so in a way the stakes were grounded but still felt as monumental as a fight for the world should. He stood to lose everything he loved and their way of life in a way that would cast them as villains around the world and in the history books. And I think Killmonger being the opposite side of the coin for T'Challa helped. You got the sense that Killmonger was a villain rooted in a "what if" for the hero. What if that was me? What if he's right? I don't think any other villain has given us that to date in such a personal way even if we disagree with the methods.

Kiera Anderson that's very true. The stakes felt big not because they were large on some monumental scale, but because they mattered to our protagonists, and because the movie spent a lot of time showing how beautiful Wakanda is. Contrast it to Sokovia, another fictional country. Sure the final battle had fun moments, but Sokovia was just another bland setting to be destroyed. And yeah, Killmonger being a shadow of T'Challa definitely his conflict with him feel much more personal.

That's a great point about Sokovia. The world building for Wakanda was on point. It felt like a place you'd mourn if it was destroyed. I can't recall feeling that way about any other setting in the MCU, even when it's deeply personal to the characters, like Asgard.

you know? Grounded is the exact word I've been using to describe this movie. It's not an extra dimension, it's not an army of robots or aliens, it's a family fight. Yes, Wakanda doesn't exist BUT if it did, it would make perfect sense for someone to have issues with it staying to itself and not helping out the rest of the world. I think is a reason so many may be disappointed with this film, because it's not as large and fantasical as people are use to.

You know it's funny because as grounded as this story was emotionally, to me, as a black American, it felt wonderfully fantastical because Wakanda is so untouched by colonialism. Killmonger thinking that it was just a fairytale is such a realistic sentiment sadly. A place where you belong and are accepted for the things the rest of the world has spent centuries denigrating you for? I think anyone disappointed in it because it doesn't have the superhero saves the universe scale has never really thought about how much of a fantasy that unapologetic pride and acceptance on a cultural scale is. And so the act of giving up isolationism is both beautiful and truly scary. The kids we meet throughout the movie in the US deserve to feel that way too, but in order for them to experience that joy and appreciation, Wakanda and its people will have to sacrifice something. It's kind of like GotG2, where yeah it's about family and how love can make you vulnerable and strong if you embrace the vulnerability.

Yes to all of this

I remember watching this movie three times in theatres, once with my marvel loving friends, once with my whole family- wearing traditional garb, and again with my friends. We couldn't get over this movie. It was amazing.

yeah, that was moving. I'll give it that

Yup! A very intense and brave move from the filmmakers to put flaws in the father figure. In a way that’s the Reconciliation with the Father beat in The hero’s journey, when the son fixes the errors of his tradition or father (like Luke Skywalker redeeming his father)

chaoszieg eyactly. The villain was interesting, but the writing bad.

care to explain this powerful symbolism?

A lot of black girls grow up under the European standard of what beautiful hair is and feel like they have to live up to it but can't due to our unruly hair (Most black peoples hair is very rough and short unless worn in certain styles). Black girls growing up unsatisfied with their natural hair is the reason why the weeve/wig industry is so large in the black community . The wig had long flowing hair (which is seen as traditional standard beauty in the west) where as Okoye (danai's character) feels more at home with a bald head *(which in her culture is a more accepted beauty style)* and expresses discomfort with using said wig to feel more "normal". *TL;DR Answer:* It was good to see a black women feel comfortable in her own skin and hair for alot of young women , though this is not first time this has happen. I feel like the wig throwing thing was more of a gag with the confidence thing tied to it. Like it was not meant to be taken too seriously even though it made a statement.

If you haven't, watch the RU-vid video of director Ryan Coogler breaking that scene down. It's brilliant!

@none of your business that is not the point he/she was trying to make... what was said in that comment was not against black woman at all... we don't have to always be on the defensive

NoneOf YourBusiness you missed the point a bit there. He may have used the wrong words but everyone knows what he meant

I don't really see how it fits here. Maybe it's because as an African I don't attach my identity to my skin color as much as African Americans do but Wakandans were never part of the oppressed community. They were their own community, separated from the rest of Africa, even before Europeans came along. I think he was kinda throwing away the African perspective even though the movie fully acknowledges it.

audiofender love your comment man, I’m glad you were able to look at things more multi layered than most people

Using your wealth and power to invest into rebuilding your run down neighborhood says a lot more about a person than taking a knee. It's about what you do with that wealth and power that makes the difference.

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@@malum-inse Taking a knee to protest the murder of innocent unarmed civilians by violent cops is no less heroic than spending your own money to rebuild your community.

Fantastic movie!

Except for the blanket rhino dude, worst character ever. Loved the all the other characters but the Marvel formula really gets in the way. I give this movie a C+ it tried but it still feels like a good yet predictable dull marvel films with some great ideas and mostly only “ok” execution. Also was it just me or did the CGI look bad... like really bad. They didn’t really try to hide it. Especially that last fight.

+CoolDude Productions people throw the word formula around way too lazily.

Ti My but I’m not. As a filmmaker marvel has a pattern, a formula, something that makes it a marvel film. JUST Write above even points it out. Bathos, predictable arcs, bad villains (not this one per say), ok vfx, fight scenes, simplistic to follow plots, etc. This is to maximize butts in a seat due to them attempting the light hearted feel good films that makes “70%-80%” happy. Not to mention the foreign market. Yes the true creators and Artist will do there best within the producers guidelines. This film is not outside of that. It just wants you to think I is. Make no mistake this film is a simple calculated money risk that leans to making Marvel and Disney thousands of dollars. Do I think it has kept artistic dignity ... meh. Not really. It doesn’t do anything that ground breaking and when the film has glimpses of greatness in form, the film pulls back. So yea this film is formula over form. And believe me when I say this, there formula sells better at the moment then taking a risk on form.

CoolDude, if some day you would get a chance to become a film maker, you would realize how incredibly difficult it is. How difficult it is to create an ENTERTAINING and EMOTIONAL movie for audiences. Just look at all the incredibly bad movies that far outnumber the good ones. All those bad films probably had someone there who wanted to make a good film, it just didn't work. There is a FORMULA to making an entertaining film, and Just Write has talked about a number of the crucial ingredients required in the storytelling. Black Panther had passionate film makers behind the scenes who strove to make the best Black Panther film they could, and I'd say they succeeded. It's not perfect, what movie is? And it seems it is only a perfect film that would make you happy, or some other ideal you've decided they should reach. Ground breaking? How do you define that? is it really necessary for a film to be ground breaking (according to your personal standards) for it to be entertaining and a success? It's just a movie to be enjoyed by audiences for 2 hours, not a presidential speech.

TheFunnyhouston They're growing the beard~

TheFunnyhouston as well technical levels, the music score is great, the cinemaphotorghy improves better. However, the way shot conversation is really boring because is all close up shots.

People keep saying Cap’s disillusioned “with his country” but I think that’s projection on their part. Cap took a stance against the UN Sokovia Accords. Before that, he gave the “price of freedom is high” speech in the Winter Soldier. If by disillusioned with institutions and governments is what they mean then they’re absolutely right, but that’s a narrow definition of American patriotism. Steve’s downfall comes more from the fact that because he stands by his ideals to a fault, he’s made himself a pariah and is feeling the weight of his own conviction.

Both changes to Thor and Captain America are dumb

Thor has already changed a lot after Thor 1, and beyond that he hasn't a single bit

he is so old and has seen so much death, it doesnt bother him anymore. the one person he actually knew and wanted was Loki, even after Loki betrayed him, he never gave up on him. I think in Infinity war when Loki dies, its more powerful because you see how much Loki meant to him.

I think it was just that the writing in Infinity War was better. Ragnarok was enjoyable, but the tone was completely wrong for the material.

Ragnarok was the only Thor movie I thought was any good. And also one of the only Marvel movie that stood out in recent memory. Otherwise, there’s Doctor Strange, Infinity War, and Into The Spiderverse (which is the best)

@@Braktooth THIS

@@Rs2006REMAKEVids Into the Spider-Verse isn't the MCU tho.

Are you black?

Ukaran Why does it matter??

The end of GOTG2, though. Yondu confronting Rocket 'I know who you are boy, because you're me.'. Nebula and Gamora reconciling and talking out the abuse they suffered as kids. Peter realizing that Yondu had been the father he'd been searching for all along, just as he lost him. Yondu getting the funeral he'd never thought he'd have- his honor restored in death. Rocket realizing that he DOES have a family and they aren't going to desert him. Sorry, I just rewatched GOTG2 the other day, and I had some intense emotions there. Black Panther is awesome too.

IceFire9yt yea but gotg 2 had so many jokes literally every 2 minutes that just made all of that seem redundant, I was just waiting for the next meh joke all throughout

Just curiousity.

It is. Until you realize his ancestor is actually of royal blood from a country so advance and secluded from the world since the primal days, and no slavery has ever touch any of his ancestors before.

what about his mom in oakland?

No its not

@@Soft_Ghost It's worse because he knows this and still says the line.

@@Soft_Ghost His mom

lol

Def not the best. Mainly cuz the villain has to share screentime so the movie feels like two movies. The beginning and end are so drastically diff. Storytelling wise, it's a little iffy. And the third act got really "still a big marvel movie so here's some grunts fighting"

I would have preferred an angst fest, because I believe it would have suited the movie's narrative a lot better.

Seriously, let the audience alone to feel something and we'll enjoy the movie more. With no lows the highs mean nothing.

I think that was Waititi's intention, though. He set out to make a comedy movie

Vulture, Hela, sucked, killmonger great

Michael Jackson I can get when smb. says Hela, since she had way too little screentime. But Vulture? Elaborate please

I agree with you expect about Thanos. I predict he'll be the standard Marvel "trying to take over the universe" type villain.

Vulture was great. Hela was pretty much a standard cardboard villain. Blanchett was as good as could be expected given that but still...

Hela was [Insert generic villain here], but Vulture was great. As for Thanos, he's not exactly standard (He doesn't want to take over the universe, he wants to destroy it to impress Death because he's in love with her. I know, not very different, but there's still margin for it to be interesting), I'm actually a bit scared. Marvel has a hard job, but it is still possible for him to be a compelling villain. If not, he'll end up like Apocalypse, a suposedly engame villain that turns out generic and bland.

DrMonkeyBoyJr nope

Yeah the Captain America movies are certainly better than the rest of MCU in that regard (which IMO is ok because the MCU is about telling superhero stories not necessarily making deep commentary). Civil war had a thin plot in regards to "mega hero fight" and thus its bigger plot was not as good as Black Panther. But the conflict between Iron Man and Cap was spot on and I would argue equally meaningful (and personal) as that between T'Challa and Killmonger. Then again...that airport fight was badass and cool to watch. It's what I wanted to see. Black Panther is I think a better movie but Civil War is still my favorite superhero movie.

kek

Best villain? Yeah right. Not only was he set up in the most ridiculous way, but his motivations and subsequent actions because of said motivations are nonsensical. Basically, he decides to kill everyone, no matter how innocent, good or defenseless they are, only because his father dies and a bunch of people are "in need". So his father's death caused him pain right and he feels the plight of others, yet his solution is to cause even more death and suffering. All mcu movies are mediocre at best, with the exception of the first ironman, hulk and maybe, maybe the winter soldier.

JP RC i think the point is that unlike the king of the land he has no power except violence to achieve that goal. When power structures keep meaningful change out of peoples hands then violence to change is inevitable.

Blackton Obvious! And its a bit like Hitchcock.

+Jonny Engman I just hope they reveal Stan Lee's really a Watcher in disguise.

Blackton Obvious! Great idea.

Blackton Obvious! They kinda already did in Guardians of the Galaxy 2

johnathan clark He should be One above All. True God of Marvel Universe.

Midnight good for you then...i guess

thank you very much

Ragnarok is what Thor: The Dark World should be... And Ragnarok should be a bit more serious (same events happening, but more serious execution)... Unfortunately comedy was the only way for Ragnarok to be successful... Thor isn't really the strongest brand of Marvel...

Midnight couldn't agree MORE! What the MCU is doing is ridiculously amazing!

Jack's Movie Reviews I love your channel 💖

Jack's Movie Reviews wow I love his back story telling.

Go for this movie in the future, Jack !

Original Dave battle rhinos with vibranium armor!!!!!! Jesus

That's what I've been saying!! Yes!!

@Original Dave ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4Xxz4gO8qvg.html

poodlemeister22314 Loki did steal the tesseract at the end 😏 so he’s still maintained his mischievous side

JuiceMan Benji Gaming mischievous doesn't mean good. He is just the butt off all the jokes now and someone for Thor to throw on people. I really liked him to begin, in thor and avengers... Other than that he isn't much anymore

"Because it works doesn't mean it can't be improved!"

Saw it my second time last nite! Very start of the movie I noticed another piece of the puzzle. Just before the narration on the origin of Wakanda, a small boy's voice says "Baba, tell me the story of your home again". Then you hear a man go on to narrate the origin of Wakanda. Didn't catch that at first, but 2nd time I knew exactly who the father and son were, so freakin awesome

King Savage97 yup, the boy is Erik, and the father is N'jobo(sp?)

I'd say the flaws were that it kinda failed where the other Marvel movies usually kill, The action scenes left more to be desired and the technology was not well explained. Sidenote why would the wakandans use Rhino's....why not Robo Panthers.....that was just weird. Some people say the CGI but i don't think the MCU has ever had perfect CGI...not ever.Green screen moments were rife in Thor Ragnarok. It was refreshing to not hear a joke every 10 minutes.

Yep, I felt like the action scenes could have been even more polished too. The final fight between BP and Killmonger felt really short and the choreography wasn't that impressive either. BP from Civil War did so many kicks and locks compared to his solo movie. I found it refreshing as well that there wasn't jokes made so frequently. Like BP kicking the armor was a funny scene but every other moment were pretty seriously handled, which I respect a lot. I think those rhinos belonged to the certain tribe that took care of them for years (maybe even centuries? Not entirely sure). But yeah, they could have had robo rhinos or rhinos with armory that could have had the same shield like the other people too.

Also, the way everything was narrated felt chaotic. Like, first there's this guy who stole the vibranium but then he's killed and now the main issue changes to some political shit. Like, they could've omitted him and it wouldn't change much.

Miihoo I felt the same way about AoU. I tried to figure out why, then I realized it was because the AoU trailers didn't set the right tone. None of Marvels trailers are honest. In AoU trailers Ultron was menacing, not the evil jokey version of snarky Stark. All the stakes felt high for all the avengers in the trailer, not so when I actually saw the movie.

My real issue with the movie (despite how much I liked it) was how predictable it was. It followed the three act structure to a fault. When I was watching it I predicted the outcome of almost every major fight scene or character moment (not all but most). Thats not necessarily a bad thing I would rather have a clearly structured story than a story with messed up pacing and no real structure.

Yeah, while I disagreed about several of the moments picked as illustrations of the "bathos problem" in the previous video - which I'm not going to rehash here - I came out of Ragnarok dissatisfied, precisely because it never takes anything that happens seriously. I watched it the same day as Kingsman 2 which I enjoyed more because it did take its serious moments seriously. Without wanting to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it: Country Roads.

Yes, literally everyone who disliked Thor 3 (and some who liked it) said the exact same thing.

Omg yes, I detested that film, especially the korg character.

I love thor... it's funny as hell and crazy wild color and Hulk Smashes! Even the god of death is funny.

Interestingly, Kingsman 2 originally undercut the seriousness of the Country Road scene with a later joke. Test audiences reacted poorly, so they cut the later moment.

DrMonkeyBoyJr Ł

Legend of Korra sucked ass.

me tooo i lOve zaheer

He was an anarchist. There's nothing to him. That's got to be the dumbest political philosophy ever.

Definitely in the top 3 for me, I'd have to give some thought as to what my ultimate favorite is.

That was World War 2, buddy, not Captain America's time period.

Todd Brill True, but Wakanda didn’t let anyone in their country. They don’t want anyone at all. Even other Africans.

Captain America was not set in the end of the war around the area where the camps were. You might have gone things differently but it’s not creepy to do different things. There are so many WWII films that aren’t superhero films that don’t feature those either.

Todd Brill they dont allow any foreigner, not only white people or any other race.

Brother Mike It is his time period though.

It's a popcorn superhero flick created to sell toys. Calm the fuck down!

Ukaran lol why are you here

TylerBartonMusic it's my second favourite. winter soldier is my favourite.

Ukaran that’s part of what makes it great! The film works on so many levels. But the fact that people who watch “popcorn flicks” are going to see this and maybe feeling something for a troubled boy from Oakland is a step in the right direction.

no

SARO I agree. I love that movie but I hated when korg made a joke at Asgard's expense and I hate how the warriors threes' death were glossed over completely

Shoulderpads-mcgee same here. Enjoyed it a lot, but the jokes kept getting in the way of all the emotional parts

I didn't think Odin's death was undercut. Maybe I forgot the joke they made afterward. But yeah, Asgard being destroyed probably should have had a more meaningful impact on the charactes than a quick joke.

SARO but they were good jokes that actually made you laugh. Thor Rag was that bitch

I don't remember the joke during Odin's death either, and it sounds like that scene was actually made much more serious and respectful than the original idea of him being a madman running around New York. The Korg joke at the end was probably more painful than some of them though because you saw where it was going from the beginning and yet had to wait it out.

Thank you for saying this so i don't. "Marvel Has a Problem" is usually click bait trash Hipsters have problems with. Ever since DC through its trilogy of trash out there people wanna use the comedy is a problem now, Sorry its not a family friendly Marvel film or Too much emphasis on Long form story telling, excuses. I've heard a youtube reviewer claim MCU is for kids just like all the other Reddit. Comment section people who just spew trash. Like its a childrens film akin to Thomas the Train. These last 4 Marvel Films have not only Fixes the Problems having memorable villains with Great motivations, but been drasticaly different via fixing issues they previously had.

mcu sucked , bp great

Michael Jackson *Sucks*. If you are going to express your view, learn to use proper grammar. And on that note, I say speak for yourself. I and many others have enjoyed the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It has issues as Sage has pointed out, but for me personally; I think the good for these movies overwrites the bad.

Sounds to me like you're calling them passable which is... exactly what he said.

Redname No, not all. I very much enjoy all of them and would give most of the 8s and 9s out of 10; that is if I used a rating system. I truly think that the MCU is something very unique and very much for me captured something I never thought I'd see as a child: big team-ups and a big connected universe and team-ups. That isn't to slight other CB movies that came before. For example, one of my favorite movie of last year was Logan. A non-MCU movie. But really I feel like Sage is overstating moments of bathos which, to be honest; I felt was more prevalent in Phase two than this current phase. But that's just my view. I don't deny the bathos, but I truly think it is overstated. I do concede that Marvel shouldn't have put too many comedy movies in this phase or at the very least break them up with more serious movies. Because, something like Ragnarok; I found the humor was not only really smart but it actually did a lot to develop the characters. Case in point, Thor and Loke's relationship.

For me what makes the Killmonger theme so brilliant is how unique it is. The Wakanda theme is also great for sure, but its another movie theme created with an orchestra. The Killmonger theme had its roots in trap music and so for me it was this wonderful and unexpected surprise.

ibanezman04 it’s called an opinion bro

This. I agree with this video in theory. But in the actual movie I felt like Killmonger only appeared for 25% of it.

canindexico Showing and pushing the ideas of black oppression in America into the faces of people is a bit much for a Marvel movie. People that have gone through it understand what he's talking about. Showing it would have made it super controversial. I do agree with the sentiment that kill monger isn't in the movie enough. I almost forgot he was in it for the first act.

Coogler originally had a 4 hour cut

i lowkey agree this, whilst he was a superb villain i wish his character was fleshed out a little more.

Prince G But that is a major problem. Killmonger is sympathetic to Sub-Saharan-Africans and African Americans. But as an Indian person, I cannot and do not sympathize as much as others of aforementioned descent would.

That seems to apply to the actual story that matters. The epilogue is optional and takes place after the main plot ends. So not a single moment of the story that mattered was wasted setting up later movies.

Naww that's sweet. Black culture is good too. It's fresh breath from all the cliche or LOTS of white stuff u see on TV and media. That's why squid game works so well...that's Asian stuff too working in same way black stuff should. Except that black stuff started being recognised way too late

BlackMartini beautiful

God tier

Fucking majestic

It was beautiful! )

BlackMartini 😂 you deserve a medal

Awsamazing Eden Nah, not really. You have Loki, Hela, Vulture and now Killmonger, the rest seems kinda blank and generic. Red Skull, Ultron, Zemo, Mandarin, Robert Redfords character in Winter Soldier...those were pretty neat concepts, but executed pretty lame.

I am black (as if that matters) and I must reiterate that no idea is sacred. Do not let others limit your right to excercise freedom of speech because the second you limits other right to speak is the second you limit your own. That doesn't mean that you should be a flamboyant edgy teenlord making generic insults, try to be constructive or at the very least try to be relevant.

when you are racist that how you will feel

Abyssinia Empire I think you answered on the wrong comment

Malte Sohns 😂I did not even notice, but yes, I commented on the wrong comment.

Eh... his character was pretty one-dimensional. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional. Kinda like Snoke(sorry to bring THAT conversation up).

His character was being used and that's kind of the point of his "underuse": he's a means to an end in Killmonger's story (which connects to T'Challa's) - it was never about Klaue's story.

Sebastien-Loik Ntsangou-Kanda And it fixed the non memorable music!

The colors are also great in Thor Ragnarok black panther is really ugly compared to either of those movies

They fixed the color problem with Doctor Strange. It's been good ever since.

kant Agreed.

Quinn Fredine I’d say the color in Black Panther is fine. It’s colorful but subtle. Personally I don’t think the colors have to be bright and playful to be good.

Killmonger being from a bad neighborhood never left him. Listen to any black entertainer from a bad neighborhood (Chris Rock for example) and they always think that way. It was real. Criticizing the way he thinks as contradictory is fair but villains being wrong or missing the mark is kind of the point.

To add onto that, just because someone made it out doesn't mean they don't feel anger for their people. Like I'm not living at the bottom of society per se but looking at history and the role it plays in today's world, I'm kinda pissed. That's not contradictory it's just realizing things about the world and wanting to reform them.

Killmongers "oppression talk" isn't about his life in MIT from the hood. It's about the drug war in the 80's. It's about apartheid in south africa just ending in the 90's. It's about countries destroyed through slave trade, colonialism, and political warfare. It's about Haiti being ruined by destroyed, by the french, having all it's spices and goods, and culture stolen from it, and left to fend for itself afterwards. It's about everone wearing diamond rings but Sierra Lionne being a wartorn poverty stricken zone due to colonization, followed by corrupt leaders that help corporations. It's about walking into a museum, and the staff look at you because they think you're going to touch the art because you have no class. Or walking into a shop and being followed, not because salespeople want to help you, but because they think you're going to steal something. It's about being locked out of land deals, business deals, and political institutions, even when you have the money, experience, and drive. It's about being a thug or disrepectful when you are upset and protest, vs passionate or dedicated. It's about asking/begging/fighting to be treated respect for generations, vs never having to ask for that respect because now the world is yours. He isn't relatable to everyone who saw the movie. But he is relatable to a huge ton of us.

All those things happened centuries ago, not relevant today. Who gives a fuck what other people think? And if you're being followed, you have a legal right to tell that person to fuck off. There are black land owners, business owners, and politicians, what are you even talking about? Well when black protesters have a reputation for destroying public property and saying "fuck cops and white people" it's not hard to see where those stereotypes come from is it? Yes, black people were treated horribly in the past, but they clearly aren't now, at least, not majorly by people who aren't also black. That's where your dead wrong, Killmonger isn't relatable to ANYONE except the professional victims, people like the BLM founders who lie to everyone's face about how "innocent" black kids are murdered by evil cops, how the racism of the past has manifested in a different form today, people who think killing cops and whitey is a good thing, people who think black people have been treated, and are currently treated worse than any other minority in history, people who torture white disabled kids on live internet videos who they think support a politician they hate, people who terrorize white college kids on campuses, people who drag white people by their shirts across a parking lot surface, screaming in pain, as they beat them within an inch of their life. THOSE are the people who relate the most to Killmonger, THAT is why he's the villain.

fwwaller Just go drink some water and read a book buddy. It'll be ok

its just a fantasy comic book movie that is very naive

yeah didn't notice either

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I'm not a troll, I just didn't notice the theme.

Yeah there really aren't any main themes in this movie. Just like most of Marvel's movies. The music in this film wasn't bad at all, but it never heightened any of the scenes for me.

There are plenty of themes in the movie. I even recorded myself playing one and piano and sent it to the composer on twitter asking him what it represented to him and he responded. There were themes and they were prevalent