BMW i3 42 kWh 1000 km challenge 

Congrats on the 200K.

That will be slightly disappointing. But a really nice trip😃

I give you my promisse. If I can buy my favorite EV, I bring you Espa buns to you in south Deutschland!😉👍

Das machen wir zusammen. Von Freiburg zu den Espa Buns 🤣. Mit nem i3...

I still want the Lion Smart 100KWh battery!

There will be no mayor update, because the i3 is selling to good. No need for improvements :-/

@@dirki3s821 Because of the carbon chassis, BMW is not making much profit, that is the reason they are not interested in making it better. I think 2023 the new i3 is coming, then they will bring everything you want.

My list of updates is almost the same as yours, Jadzia, I'd add 'blind spot warning' too, the autosteer doesn't bother me much. It's been well trailed that one last refresh to 150Ah battery was planned but this years problems has pushed it back, we'll have to wait to see if it's real or a mirage. If they don't squeeze in some more battery capacity then the sales will drift away quite quickly in a year as the competition leaves it behind. But with a 50+kWhr battery they will have to work on the CCS power circuitry to take a good 75-80kW up to at least 50% full to make it seriously usable.

Not tiredness, just excess face palms due to i3 Expert comments on Live Stream

The range is short when you drive faster than 90 km/t. If you drive below 90 its no problem to drive above 300 km. Done it several times during summer. My average consumption last 40.000 km is 1.3 kWh/10 km. Its a city car and should be driven like one. 1000 km challenge is not for this car

Fair critics, but still. Of course it is the best car around, yet it is not if a distance of a thousand kilometers is to be covered on a regular basis.

Have i3 myself (as my first EV) and I really like it. Use it alot in my city and charge at home. It is very sensitive to weather changes consumption-wise. Wind and rain = oooof. Not to mention strong wind messes up the stability on the road, haha. But, still love it. Bought a 2018 model last decemter and paid $30k for it. Fully charged. I would consider another model with better battery if I had to drive longer distances to get to work.

It sure is a nice car.. I've had mine for 3 years and hesitating to part with it for M3. I drive mostly slow at 80 kmph and last summer it did average 1,2 kw and was showing estimated up at 370 km range 🙂 great little car 👍🏻

Sorry, I was too busy hugging the left lane.

that's fine by me as long as it's for free.

This chargers are for people who buy in the Store. i get pissed each time, when i see people with an licenceplate from a city 300km away.. parking there cars for an hour and go somewhere else just because its free. and when they have 100%, the coming from they outside of the parking lot. these people are the reason why charging for free will disappear.

@@maxr6470 Lidl and Aldi also offer free charging over here. But it's only 1h afterwards you gotta pay. I get pissed when I see hybrids blocking AC/DC chargers even though they don't support when the stations is able to deliver.

@@Scrap-press didnt knew about this 1 hour Lidl chargers. sounds good. And of course.. this Hybrids.. uuh.. so we get both pissed👍 thats how i like it! 😀

Yea, but DC charging is bad for battery health, so it's not a good idea to do that all the time. + It's a waste of time driving there, just to charge. And even if I shop there, I will never DC charge @ Aldi, because my battery health or my DC/AC ratio is way more valuable for me. I let the free juice go to people who really need it.

It was pretty cold....Wind from front....and ACC. Usual consumption (15 degree Celsius) is about 17 kw at 120 km/h. It ' s usually no problem to look for charging in a range of 230 km. On high speeds, the I3 does not profit from his low weight. In cities, there is 400 km possible. Winter means 135 km from 80 to 10% (speed 120 km/h)

No point.

The 3 S gives you more fun and power on curves an sport trips. But consumption is about 1.5 kw higher (tires heavier&larger) and less comfort on long trips because of sportier suspension....you wouldn't have any benefit with 3S on long trips....more the opposite. It just looks more masculine.

Have you tried the Electrified app? 60Ah charging curve isn't as flat as I thought it would be.

It should.

But if you try it too low, then you won't be able to restart it then.

Its a bug.

Maybe just unplug and plugin again when you passed 10% SoC, then aux heater forgot to punish you by blocking aux heater on .. 🤔😳

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@@bjornnyland :-) Haven't watched that yet. Yesterday's video was made after today's I guess.

I guess you don't go too deep and try to activate the "auxiliary heater" then ;)

I drove 650 km charging to 90% each stop, it is best to vacate vehicle if possible, not run aux heater when charging, charge speed & batt temp is better maintained. I drove at 110kmh & between 160 - 190 km between charging stops so not as many stops as Bjorn. I was really impressed with the car. I heated up the cabin once car reached 85% using key fob, hope this helps as car did not bug as I had not attempted to start aux heater early. Cheers guys.

@@garycassap-brown7829 120 Ah. Was it winter as well?

Exactly. And not everyone drives 1000 km every day. For shorter trips, EVs is even cheaper than fossil cars.

Yes, only on road trips they are neck and neck because for most ev owners charging is done at home which much cheaper.

Nope. If you drive slower than 120 km/h, the 1000 km time will be slower. Trust me.

Dear Edward. Heared this too. The cw is 0.29 because of the city design. So it hates high speeds and wind from front. And on superhighways, there is no profit from the aluminum carbon design....wind dominates. This car in summer can run 400 km in cities with no charge. Because only 1275 kg net weight. But 120 km/h means charge every 200 to 250 km. (summer, normal conditions) Even with a bigger battery (150 Ah) the problem would stay in general. It is not designed for high speed long distance rides....specially not in winter. Long distances needs low cw construction. A Mercedes Eqs design (cw 0.20) on carbon aluminum platform and a 180 Ah battery would solve the problem....but less convenient in cities. As a city car, the 120 Ah battery is very sufficient. The weight is 279 kg. A 180 AH battery would add at least 80 kg more weight. (if space would be sufficient) A cruel waste of the low weight for city use. Maybe at least you have to make it 10 cm longer because of larger battery. 🙄 Remember VW id 3 is 550 kg more weight. Under 10 kw consumption in cities with ID 3? Impossible. But possible with BMW i3. Therefor the BMW i3 is really not build for long distances with high speed. ACC takes another 1.5 kw/100 km. Speed 105 km/h is a good speed for more than 280 km range in summer. You are still faster than the big trucks but very efficient. 90 km/h might be better but you get trouble with 95 km/h trucks.

@@rainersta7073 thanks for your reply, I switched to ID3 from driving perspective a better car, from IT and infotainment it's not far from faultless, the'll need several years to get it better if they are willing. So for now I'm glad with better range but the overall energy consumption of an ID3 is way higher then the i3, with moderate driving in NL with mostly 100kph I get 20kwh/100km through the year. Not very economic.

Oops typo, far from faultless I was supposed to type. So sometimes verry buggy and not oriented on driving.

@@edwardvanhazendonk Thx too for your reply. Did you buy the big battery? What was your overall consumption with I3? Not really compareble because 120 km/h before and 100 km/h now or? Did you have leasing contract, or did you sell it now. Easy in Netherlands to sell EV? I ordered one of the last I3 in December 21 now supposed to be delivered in May 22. 14 Days later, all production was complete...no more orders possible. The plant in Leibzig will stop in July for I3. I just love the aluminum/carbon base. Guess the 550 kg weight difference is the reason for the consumption plus. Because ID3 is much better in cw (0.27 to 0.29 I3). Highway should be better in terms of higher speed. But EV buyers didn't really valued or value the carbon/alu design and its costs. As i heared, 2.8 billions Euro (2,8 Milliarden) were invested in developping the car and green plant but nobody really focused on this. In the newer BMW just a few parts remain carbon.

Big difference between 80 km/h and 120 km/h...

Check decscription.

Special norway arrangement. In Germany Ionity costs you 79 Euro Cents with the I3. Just the more expansive models include Ionity with 32 Cents for the first year. I 3 Buyers Can book Ionity included (32 cents) for 13 Euro per Month. But as you pay with bmw card just 38 Cents on other stations(first year, later 4.95 per Month on top) , it s not really worth the higher price.

Nope, driving at 120 km/h is in fact the fastest.

@@bjornnyland well, I won't be driving 1000km to prove you're right!! lol

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@@bjornnyland Your are complete! :)

electrified

Nope. If you drive 90 km/h, you will arrive 1.5 hour slower. Trust me.

*50 kW

@@bjornnyland Done! Hoping to see travel from Norway to Thailand using EV (through my country). Do you have chinese driving license?

@bochap21 Yes, I know, that in China you can drive car only if you have chinise driving licence. But, you can ask somebody (with licence) to drive your car trough China, at least.

Lithuania also has government network in all country with free charging as incentive for EV

Tesla

@@bjornnyland Even more expensive...

Ever heard of Standard Range Plus before? Total cost of ownership beats fossil by far

Nope

You get a card.

Is that a question

@@bjornnyland Or maybe a challenge

What do you mean

Timestamp?

5:15

Freude am Laden 😊😉

Heat pump is standard in Norway.

@@bjornnyland it’s a must then. even in slightly milder climates - current REX i3 we have doesn’t have it and on a cold day the battery drops like a stone with heater on from the startup or pre conditioned...

Interesting to hear the cost of charging, here in New Zealand, it ranges .13 to 23euro (converted .25 to .40nzd per kwh). They can also charge per the minute up to .40nzd

With bmw card Ionity is 0.32 Cents. Tesla is now 0.45 Cents. In Germany. They are crazy here because closing 8 energy plants just two months ago. Seems purpose.

Just go Plugsurfing Plus and you pay 34 ct for Ionity in Germany.

@@Air-ic279 Thanks, but a monthly base fee isn't worth considering for me. I don't drive that much and use a multitude of providers. I'm not even complaining about the general Ionity rates. My point is that BMW doesn't offer a discount on Ionity in Germany despite owning them, while they obviously do in Norway. Goes to show in which market they actually want to sell EVs. And that is why at the end of my 2-year-lease on the i3 I'm switching to Volkswagen.

Nope, it doesn't work. I already tried that of course.

@@bjornnyland you must not activate the heater before you got 20% SOC.. its a "bug" I would say..

BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche and VW gets special low rate deals.

RU-vid chooses the amount automatically. You got a lot apparently because you're wealthy. Google knows everything about you. Congratulations!

Well, the i3 is designed as a city car. That's its purpose.

@@koehlerthomas True and I think it's suitable for 80% of people out there; myself included who makes the occasional 90km trip to the (bigger) city (Toronto). That said I am still thankful for Bjorn's analysis and hope that the bugs he noticed and the suggestions he put forth gets the attention of the design team at BMW.

It only has a small battery, compared to bigger and newer cars, hence why it needed so many charges. I’ve lived with an i3 for 2 years and 99% of the time, the battery will last multiple days without needing charging.

You mean it has a high consumption?

It's time for a race again? I have had tons of races with Kris lately. Haven't you watched them?

@@bjornnyland Yes, but not between e-Soul 64 kWh and Jaguar I Pace 😉

i can do that without stop in my Kona 64kwh :-)

@@pouleichel426 yeah but the i3 Rex can go anywhere anytime as long as there is petrol in the tank. No one can deny that it’s very convenient. Then you have battery for most of your trips without hanging around charging. The Rex also completely eliminates the potentially huge slow down in charge power when the battery is cold.

I have no idea how anyone manages without a REx to be honest, it's a great car for zipping around a city, but half of any long journey will be spent charging, I've got a REx on mine, but don't like to use it unless there are no nearby charging points or if I'm in a hurry - I mean I might as well be driving an ICE car if I'm going to be relying on the REx that much. BMW really dropped the ball with that low capacity battery.

@@therealchayd I drive around 90-94 miles a day for work, 140-150 Kms and the i3 94 Ah Rex is doing by far the most miles compared to the Diesel the missus drives. It's saving me a lot compared to Diesel. It's a 2017 and now has just over 100,000 Kms with no notable loss of battery, compared to my 2015 Leaf which showed a lot more battery degradation at 90,000 when I traded it for the i3. I am very happy with the i3 94 ah battery life. On a long trip I got the choice, wait on a charge, which is fine if we want to stop for a meal or potentially have to wait at a busy charger or if the battery is cold as on any EV this can add significant time to the wait at a charger, not so with the Rex, just fire it up and continue, if you run out of fuel it takes 8 seconds to fill the tank which is good for 80-140 Kms depending on speed and conditions. If taking a weekend away etc and you have nowhere to plug in over night the battery could be quite cold next morning when you need to head to a DC charger, a cold battery can add significant charge time to any EV charge but not with the Rex, fire it up and be on your way when you want, then after around 30-45 mins the battery should be warm enough to allow max charge current, the Rex is really a fantastic idea and more electric cars should have this option even a small fuel cell in the future with the battery being the main source of power from the mains the fuel cell is there when you need it so you can continue your journey without having to stop for 30-50 mins each time. Why did BMW remove the Rex on the 120 Ah i3 ? because they were going to discontinue production of the i3 and they didn't want to pay for re-certification for the Rex again. BMW said it was because no one wanted the Rex and the range of the 120 Ah was good enough what BS.

@@o00scorpion00o I heard BMW sold less than 5% as REX out of of the European i3s with 94Ah battery - makes sense to sell the 120Ah without, in my opinion. Besides, most problems I have read about have been with the REX due to lack of use of it :-)

Or just wait until SoC is above 10 % before starting auxiliary heater.

How can MX-30 beat i3? MX-30 charges at maximum 34 kW.

@bochap21 Quite likely... I don't envy anyoine doing the 1000 km test in the Mazda. Only Björn has that kind of endurance... but probably not worth the time...

@bochap21 But he certainly has the endurance ;-)

Because fast chargers are expensive to buy and install. And then you have to cover up support and maintenance. Have you ever wondered why food at restaurants is way more expensive than food at home? ;)

@@bjornnyland i understand why it would be more expensive but not literally 3x the regular taxed kwh price. Also in restaurants the food needs to be prepared every time, the chargers are build and installed once and should require minimal maintenance. They're solid state hardware after all. (apart from the cooling but that's cheap and common)

@@UltimatePwnageNL setting up these chargers cost hundreds of thousands of $’s. They’re really expensive, with more EVs the cost should come down for the chargers and they’ll be more reliable, thus reducing the cost.

I don't think you understand how expensive fast chargers are. A fair price for fast charging is in fact about 4 times the price of home charging. For HPC, it's even higher. Maybe it's time for me to make a video explaining why it's so expensive? Think about this: How many people has a 50 kW DC fast charger at home? None.

@@bjornnyland I think this would be a really informative video idea.

RU-vid chooses number of ads automatically. Congratulations for getting many ads. Google knows a lot about you. You're obviously wealthy and likes to shop a lot.

@@bjornnyland ha! Didn't know they chose the number of ads. It averaged at an ad every 3 minutes! Google doesn't know enough about me if they think i'm wealthy. Maybe they're assuming wealth based on savings from driving an EV

I only got 1 ad on this video. Setup better privacy on you phone or tablet!!!

Ionity is funded by Audi, Porsche, VW and the other companies. Why should they offer cheap deals to brands that are not a part of the group?

@@bjornnyland Imagine a subscription model for petrol/diesel cars. I find it ridiculous. One subscription for BP one for Shell, another one for Avanti and many many more..... How does that sound? Apologies for my language but I find it stupid and I hope the EU will stop this.

Shell was not funded by any car company. If for example Volkswagen paid Shell, it would make sense for Shell to give discount to Volkswagen owners. Do you know what I mean?

@@bjornnyland Not solely funded by Volkswagen and co. ec.europa.eu/inea/en/connecting-europe-facility/cef-transport/2017-de-tm-0064-w

​@@bjornnyland I know the EV community is split on this.There is a lot of conversations about it. It harms the EV future as many people don't like it. For the subscription I haven't even driven a single km were I can drive with the ICE already a lot. Audi Tarif Transit eg is 17.95EUR. That's 216 EUR. For that money I drive already 2700km. For City 4.99 which is 60EUR a year. That's 900km for me. Sorry I'm not up for this rip off model. Also it will increase people driving around just to get to their chargers. We haven't enough traffic already?

This is not the airport. You don't need to announce your departure.