BMW R1200 GS LC vs Ducati 1199 Panigale on the track 

It wouldn't change things much...perhaps with better tyres and shift assist things would be a tad closer but Ducati is just too strong.

A Range Rover? I don’t know about that. I’d call it a lifted 911 vs a Lamborghini. The GS is such a fast bike to 100

Thanks Eyvind ! Are you still riding K1200R ?

+Cole Lock My pleasure Cole.

+newt0n Cheers mate, thank you !!!

Cheers, thanks !

They are very good tyres. Probably best for GS for road riding.

Cheers Matthew!

He has skills, but everyone is downplaying how fast a GS is down low for some reason?

Mark Spencer Lot's of fun, track days. Just take it easy at first.

Michael!!! You're too kind mate!!!

You summed it up - I do not know anybody that could keep pace, on the "Big, Heavy & Bulky GS", with a skilled rider on a pure sportbike such as the Ducati 1199 Panigale.

Thanks John !!!

George Niculescu Thanks George !

I’m not sure why it’s not about the bike, the GS is a very fast bike.

CMB Thanks !

Thanks Uncle Rico !

Thank you very much !

stuste964 Thank you !!!

charlie ashby Cheers mate, thanks. What is unbelievable - today I rode off road, climbed meteorite crater, on hiking trail with the same model (only 2015) GS. Ability to do almost anything and go almost anywhere - that's the strength of GS.

JIGA BACHI Plenty power in Ducati. It's so easy to ride fast.

TheSteelerider Absolutely. Not a sports bike but it can hustle.

Thanks Wade!

Come to South Africa and let's ride together Dennis !

Thank you - I have ridden (video is somewhere in this channel) that Pani and its owner was on S1000RR....Pani was soooo much easier to ride. Have a look, I think it's rather decent video :-)

+m.murat candan Thanks Murat !

Brakelateatmsn Thanks for your suggestions mate - I will do that. Have lots of material to upload - some more and some less exciting bikes but I'm sure you will enjoy the action.

+Jay Loy He is my mate but didn't expect that pace from GS ;-)

Thank you!

Thank you.

LOL!

+MrImarcus Cheers mate, thank you.

Cheers mate. After recent accident on GS I'm not sure what to think of the bike...

+Adrian Rigby That was after spending couple of session only on (then new) LC model on dealers demo day. I think I can probably ride it a bit faster now.

pkarandreas Cheers, thanks.

It was BMW Dealer sponsored track day. Ricky was not pushing as hard as I did...but we moved at good pace.

Thank you very much ! Ride more off road nowadays - it's different type of challenge. But one thing stays the same. Tyres ! Once you know what you're doing, they make so much difference. I was told that was not so much the case off road - but it's not true.

Thanks Andrew.

Dennis, thank you very much! Recovery is picking up, I should be able to ride this year, thinking KTM perhaps? I am working on couple happier videos, have some nice footage from road trip I did some time ago. When do you expect delivery of 1250?

That’s great news!! Getting back on track 🍀🍀 , delivery time here on this moment is 6 to 10 weeks 😱😱 hoping to have mine end of February, I have ordered the Hp with the brushed aluminum tank 😍😍 looks really good in the flesh!, I’ll post a video when I pick it up! And yep I like the 1290S adventure Ktm a lot as well!! But I think the Bmw is a bit more all round and more comfortable and with the new engine it really gives a lot more lowdown torque! Looking forward to your videos! Regards Dennis

Lucky you! I need more surgeries in March and after that few more months to recover and then I should be sorted. Cannot wait to test ride 1250GS and 1290KTM, then I will decide.I'm looking forward to your video!

MirageGP think you can’t go wrong with any of these 2 but knowing you like the Gs I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the new 1250.. 👍 all the best for the coming months and hopefully you’ll be like new !🍀🍀🍀 Regards!

I loved my GS! Was just thinking, perhaps it time to change. But I will do an extensive ride on KTM first and see how it goes. In due time of course.

Thank you very much !

Camel747 BS! The Pannigale rider was a novice

What do you think of GS ? I ride GS as well now.

miragegp How can I explain this... The K12R is raw power. No traction control, so you can easily get in trouble. The thing is also very heavy, and needed a lot of modding to make it rideable (all in i-BMW.com). Even so, the ride is punishing, and it does' like turning. The GS, has better fueling, and being a two cylinder, the power is deliver is fun pulses. Some people call it tractable (or tractor-like), but the power delivery is smooth and predictable (wish it was more). The bike so incredibly agile, it belies its weight (actually weighs less than the KR). It's so versatile as well. I don't know. I have all my bikes (K12R, K12LT, and not the R12GS). Each does something different for me... but I've been lusting for a GS for a long time. All I can say is wow! This bike is friendly! I love the GS!

Eyvind Mondragon That's the beauty of it. It's versatile, it handles, doesn't have any of the issues that K1200/1300 had - because it's their bestseller BMW is quick to sort whatever the problem is. I just bought 2015 GS LC and love it. Mind you...there is a chance I get S1000RR as well. Waiting to see what RS and XR will be like first. I think XR would probably be perfect bike for me.

You can do anything with it, really. I used to ride superbikes, mostly breakfast runs. Issue was that aircooled GS was not "fast enough". With LC version I have decided to bite the bullet. Certainly, you're not leading superbikes pack on it, but it's not slow either. Then I did some serious touring with it...it's perfect. Range, comfort, luggage capacity. Now I'm discovering GS' off road capabilities, it's amazing. I will never ever ride anything else.

Impressive stuff. The skill is riding what you've got to its capabilities.( and not throwing it up the road;)) Got a be close on the big gs so impressive stuff. Panigale should kick the gs ass on track and as you know,, that's not a criticism of your riding,,, quite the opposite. Pani rider not so good but no matter I'm sure he's enjoying himself and that's what's important. Good vid

After owning GS for 3 years, I'm pretty confident that I would be a tad quicker on the track now. Not a match for Pani but goes to show that on the road, with committed rider onboard GS is not "pipe and slippers" tyre of bike.

1450shunter That's über cool - penguin nuts ! ;-)

Thanks David!

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Cheers!

Bruce Kendall Cheers Bruce, thanks.

M Oka Cheers mate, thanks.

They are awesome, I agree.

Hey Peter, thanks for the compliment. I'd love to go for a spin in one of those exotics...did M5's and M6's, older 997 911Turbo... Now, to business, regarding GS(A). Try both - I bought GSA first and after a year of not being sure it's the best bike for me, traded for GS. And guess what, that's it. No other bike interests me. You can have SO MUCH fun of it, on and off road...it's fast when you want it to be, you can ride it at walking pace without a problem, it does gravel as good as tar, if you're more adventurous, it does some crazy stuff off road too (but you must be ready to fall now and then, which I'm not). In short, ride them both, back to back and pull the trigger. They are pure magic !!!

+miragegp Thx :)

MrPanda415 Cheers mate, thanks. It was my knee.

Thank you!

+VelvetBulldozer Hi Dan, I was on NEXT too...Yes, they get to spin up a bit when hot.

Thanks for your kind words Rudolf. I use Go Pro HD2. Enjoy the channel, more exciting videos coming up !

Thanks Tor !

Thanks Andreas.

It was one of resident instructors, they have offices at the track, ride very well.

+El Sc0rchi0 That's pretty much what happened. But in long run, made me buy one ;-) Try it, you might get the bug too !

+miragegp Haha! My first two BMWs were ex demo machines, where I got back from the test ride and said, "I want it!" My R1200RS was my first brand new one, though. I'd love to take it to the track, but just can't afford to risk it, which is why I have a 2001 model GSXR 1000 track-dedicated machine. With a new(ish) lightie in the house, though, I can't afford to get out on it as much as I would like. Track days here in the UK are SOOOOO expensive compared to in SA. Incidentally, my first ever track day was on my mate's dad's K1300GT at Zwartkops, where I must have been going round like a granny. I'm definitely a bit quicker these days (but still learning)

If you have track bike then there is no point to push and risk with new machine. Maybe you can do few laps just to see how it feels like but that's about all. Also, track riding is not that healthy for your driveshaft (constant up/downshifts). K1300GT is big and heavy for the track but it can hustle. Have you seen my video with K1600 at Zwartkops ?

+miragegp I'm italian sorry for my english....before to start, every time, your accelerator take it considerating that when you' ll need to route it, you 'll be always in a right position: in the video i always see a strange position of you dx hand (when you need more engine, more rpm, i mean)

I'm not sure I understand but thanks anyway ;-)

+Garry Thomas Cheers Garry, thanks.

Not so but that wasn't the point either - we were just playing on the track a bit.

Bruno Mommens Cheers Bruno, thanks. New videos will be up soon.

Thanks Chris! Checking your channel now!

Thanks mate. I'm getting someone to check the bike - for my own sanity. I will either update here or make another video.

Gabor Faucon Thanks Gabor !!!

Vegasalieri Video of F800GT on the track coming soon, you will be surprised ! ;-)

Lol....no, I don't think chicken strips were that visible :-)

+prat I was never a big fan...rode Triumph few times, never got me excited. I like KTM and Ducati though.

Lots !

+Adventure Rider Cheers. Just checked your videos - very nice !

+miragegp Awesome thanks!! ;)

Thanks Nicholas...yes to both counts, difficult to predict sometimes.

Ducati is VERY strong but I tried my best ;-)

Luke Tanner This track is well suited for GS... Pani is stronger everywhere but I'm glad I could keep up, specially in slower corners. Could keep tighter line.

The guy riding the Pannigale was absolutely terrible & making the GS rider/bike looking great. The Ducatl rider was all wrong with his lines going into corners. I'm guessing he is a novice track rider. Put the Ducati 1199 in my hands and I'll show you how it rides....P.S. - I own a 1299 Pannigale + Ducati Streetfighter 848 + BMW S1000XR....Anyone who talks up the GS in the comments section is simply dreaming if they honestly think the tractor is a sports bike dressed in adventure clothing! Simple!!!

Can't wait to ride new 1250 model!

Thanks !

amh007dude I'm not shocked ! Lol Thanks mate.

miragegp its just a lot of top heavy dual sport to throw around a track with massive lean angle with them fat lumps of donk hanging over the sides i have a 650 dakar and i don't think i will ever get her near that .... plus don't have the power or brake to go no where near that hard

Bike is easy to ride at fast pace. But when you start pushing, that's when the frame and suspension start to complain... You can ride "over" that but it's difficult to figure out how far are you from front washing out. Then I sit on S1000RR for instance and as hard as I dare to push, bike just says - c'mob, give me more. So...don't stress...650 is probably less capable than 1200... so no point to try to be a hero. Rider matters but so does the hardware underneath.

far from stressed let me assure you .. i am the slowest of my mates with bikes had a good off a few years ago reminding me that i anit made of steel ... plus i haven't been putting the time to get back to were i was and i don't know if i ever will. the 1200 does amaze me at what a crazy machine it is for its height and weight .. that boxer down low must make a hell of a difference i at times and in the future will ride hard trails for such a heavy bike and i know i will never want such a big machine like the 1200 ........ as for a s1000rr maybe i would ride one on the track since that's the only place you can use it . riding it over 50% of what it has for road use and you will get locked up or run over by making someone panic...

amh007dude I was referring to track riding on S1000RR. On public roads it's downright scary. I have few rides in this channel - have a look. And please don't complain about the speeds....it's sports bike, difficult to ride slow :-)I suggest, if you're still willing to ride and try to improve - do it one step at the time - like 1% over your ability....push...just a little bit...

Larry Dickman Exactly. People are hard on GS as a "sports" bike, yet - it does so many other things really well.

I have done 500 mile days on my 1199, anything past 300 miles becomes agonizing.

You really think that a GS is fast as a Panigale on track? Wow you are stupid as fuck. Is just about who drive

Larry Dickman lol. But. This is a track video sooooooo not applicable. Do you got a GS and are butt hurt?

So hilarious seeing GS fans so proud of the big hulk of steel keeping up with the panigale, little they know that Panigale gets to 200 km/h in second gear, that Panigale rider was just warming up. The GS is great for what is supposed to be great at, let's keep it this way

Thank you !

Thank you!

Many thanks!!

Olivier Frautschi Wont be able to help you - I'm fitting PR 4 next ! :-) I think they will be better than NEXT.

+JoeShep71 You must go Joe ! ;-)

Miragegp. Hahaha was watching this as impressed as ever again. And she I commented 2 years ago. Now I have the 1250 hp.... what tires were u on ????

Thank you!

Hugh Fathers Thanks mate.

That's correct, bike had Akra exhaust.

I think so too... 😉

Thanks Steve.

It's in description. Metzeler NEXT.

And they were probably on touring tyres :-)

+shadowspect09 It would look awesome - I have seen some projects on the net...

+miragegp I've been long everywhere. I'd love to see one stripped and made lighter with all the same components just less bulk and weight for cornering and slightly higher acceleration do to weight reduction, still able to hit the trails. My ideal bike.

+shadowspect09 Mine too !!! We seem to share passion for "less is more". That's why I have switched from GSA to GS.

+miragegp What you lose In excess, you will gain in practicality

+shadowspect09 And handling...people don't understand that 10kg makes a difference. And for those who don't understand or feel it - they're not great riders.

Lol. Exactly. Loved my GS. Feel free to brownie through the channel, plenty great rides before the accident.

@@miragegp Hmm, and after ther accident. Great riding- Ride save

I think it was F700GS.

Thank you.

+George Thoms Hi George, most of them come with Anakee3 nowdays. This bike was on Metzeler NEXT. In my view, it's the best on-road tyre for GS.

Thanks a lot! Greetings from Romania!

And well run in !!!