ajbahus Jimmy respected him because he saw a lot of his own traits in Bodie. It was a matter of circumstance that they ended up on different sides. They were both highly intelligent but also stubborn and self destructive. A lot of people would have caved when the bag was shown, but despite being rattled, he knew he wiped the guns so he called their bluff. And he called the police out on entrapment over Hamsterdam.
Why would a steel mill owner/manager involve himself in destruction of evidence? They're already making good money. Avon would have to buy it to use it like that.
+JC I don't see how. The cops said they had his prints on a gun. One of the guns sitting right in front of him. Asking which of the guns the police claimed have his prints isn't an admission to anything. He knew he cleaned the guns, anyways. He just wanted to know if the cops actually had anything on him.
But if you watch the shootout and the what they director is conveying, that was Poot's gun. Bodie had the the Glock 17 in the middle during the shootout which is why the camera zoomed in on that one to highlight it.
Kinda worth noting that the guy who plays Ray Cole in this scene (the white-haired detective who points out the gun) is Robert F. Colesberry, a really brilliant producer who is probably single-handedly most responsible for the visual “look” and overall production design on the show from day one, until he suffered an untimely demise during the production of season 3. David Simon gives him a *ton* of credit for the overall success of the show.
@@liambeamer1883 Yeah, that’s pretty much it, exactly! That whole realistic “street” look that still somehow looks filmic and beautiful. He had also worked on the (underrated) Scorsese films After Hours and The King of Comedy in the ‘80s, and you can see the visual links to The Wire. He worked first with David Simon on The Corner, and I think Simon said something to the effect of “I never want to make another film or TV show without this guy by my side ever again.”
@@tayetiwoni He died quite suddenly at the relatively young age of 57 from “complications resulting from cardiac surgery”, which I think was a pretty unexpected and unlikely outcome for the surgery he was having. It was actually right after he made his debut as a director on the season 2 finale “Port in a Storm” which was a standout episode of the whole series that he NAILED - I still say that his montage for the end of season 2 is far and away the best one of the series. The “Irish wake” we get for Ray Cole early in season 3 is really a veiled tribute to Colesberry, with Landman’s speech referencing various aspects of his career.
@@DirtCheapFU I know right. Heaven forbid Detectives use deception and interview tactics to try and solve the murder of an innocent kid hiding from thugs indiscriminately lighting a corner up. What a bunch of dicks right?
@@1dirtyblock363 As a lawyer, say you KNOW (as in have witnesses, cell phone records etc) where the defendant was at a certain time. You'd ask him "Where were you at such-and-such time?" You know the answer so if he lies you discredit him on the stand. But you don't ask something like "Do you know so-and-so?" if you have no idea if he knows him or not. He can say "no" and you have no way to discredit that. For the police it's the same thing. You don't tell a suspect "We know you were on the corner when the shooting started." if you don't know for sure. He can say "I was at my girl's house." and you can't prove it until you check into it. But if you do know he was on the corner (witnesses, fingerprints, camera footage etc) and he lies they can use that in court. So never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.
The police fucked up actually by making a false statement. They said they had Bodie's prints on the gun when they didn't. They thought they were dealing with an amateur.
@@Tkieron "For the police it's the same thing. You don't tell a suspect "We know you were on the corner when the shooting started." Police do this all the time. It helps catch suspects. Even innocent people get ensnared.
@@1dirtyblock363 These guys in this clip aren't lawyers but I think I know what TiminSE is getting at. If you were a lawyer representing someone's case you don't want the person you're questioning to hit you with a surprise answer that could sink the case.
WIRE FUN-FACT : The actor who played the Detective who brought in the guns in the bag was Robert F. Colesberry , a producer of the Wire and the Corner (MUST WATCH) who worked w/ David Simon for a long time. He died in 2004, shortly after filming Season 3. RIP
Another fun fact - the OTHER detective in this scene (bald guy) is the real life Baltimore Homicide detective that Jay Landsman (the fat homicide sergeant) was based on. Crazy how in-depth this show gets
ST LDN That’s Ed Norris, and the character Jay Landsman wasn’t based off of him. Landsman was based off of Jay Landsman, even took his name. The real Landsman played Bunny Colvin’s right hand man Dennis Mello. Ed Norris was a former Baltimore Police Commissioner though.
he was commissioner? I always figured he was actually a cop since he had the nuances down so well, but I never thought commissioner. that's interesting
Yea they had a wake for the guy on the right who had died in real life at the time. they did the same thing with the narco colonel. He died of cancer and they had a wake for him where his character had died of cancer. I always respected how they wrote those into the show.
I like how he reassures he has prints on the gun. I notice when people are lying sometimes they tend to repeat it as though it has more impact or makes it more believable.
Right if the police ever have you in the interrogation room then either asked to leave or call for your lawyer because they have nothing on you that is the reason they are interviewing you
One of Bodie's specialties is punking the cops. Notice the brief, subtle smirk on his face after Cole screws up, right before he says, "Lawyer." This smirk rivals the suppressed smirks Daniels (Lance Reddick) is master of.
The best thing about this scene was the scenes that took place before it. We watched Bodie wipe down each gun before tossing them over the bridge. When Cole brought in the guns, Bodie's face dropped. That was him coming to terms with the fact that yes, this could be in fact "The End" for him. As he was coming to terms with it in his mind, Cole decided to prod a little more, trying to bluff Bodie in to admitting to the crime. His "We even got your prints off one of the guns" line was all it took for Bodie to quickly sit up right in his chair, now with a look of confidence. When Bodie asks Cole which gun had his prints on it, Cole points to the same gun we watched Bodie throughly rubbing down before tossing. It was a great scene for the audience who watched it live because it set the tone for a whole new movement in the series. The police may be smart - But the kids in the streets were always getting smarter.
jimmycrack221 And, as a cherry on top to this incident, we later get Stringer's "It Ain't Enough" rant at Bodie, Country, and Shamrock for the screw-up. Stringer at his most sarcastic: "No, that's a very simple thing, my n*****, very simple! You drive the guns to the water. You look around, you ain't see nobody, you THROW the guns! In the water! Splash!" Absolute gold. Avon would be proud.
N3RDWARD I hear you. It's an abundance of caution on my part, born of habit. In my defense, I've never heard of anyone being offended by not writing out the word. You have a point, though.
Bodie comes off like a freakin' legend in that scene; those cops had him dead to rights, but he kept his cool in a situation where most people (me, for instance) would have cracked. pissed themselves, and started spilling. But then the one detective overplayed his hand, Bodie called him on it, and turned the whole thing 180 degrees in a heartbeat. But it's even more poignant when you step back and look at the big picture. To whit: no matter how tough, how smart, how cool under pressure, how ruthless, how loyal, how cunning, how inventive, or how skilled behind a trigger the players were, 99.99999% of everyone in The Game either ends up dying young, or dying old in prison. Smart as he was, Bodie still ended up dying an ignominious death, taking a bullet in the brainpan defending some shithole corner on a shithole street in a shithole section of Baltimore in the middle of the night. DeAngelo Barksdale was even more tragic. While running The Pit, he could explain the nuances of chess by likening it to The Game, or telling off a corner boy who said "money only got Presidents on it" by pointing out how one bill had a (if I recall right) Treasury Secretary on it. The kid was curious, observant, super-smart...had he been born into a slightly better environment, he could have been anyone he wanted. Instead, he ends up murdered in a fake suicide in prison to ensure his silence.
you mixed up that part about the presidents, deangelo was the one who said money only has presidents on it when wallace said alexander hamilton wasnt a president
Honestly, pretty good bluff by Cole. Bodie doesn't have much of an adult record and he thought the guns were in the bay. Given his look of suprise, his age and Cole knowing Bodie is completely off guard.....he was smart to make a play. He knew there were no prints, obviously, but he probably was also fairly certain Bodie knew it too. He was hoping to catch him in a "what else may have gotten fucked up" panic. Great writing, acting and a very realistic banter and bluff. The back and forth is gonna go the detectives way 9/10, cause most folk slip up out of emotion.
@Dickhead-ov9eu that's not at all what I took from his funeral but to each their own. Also, given the time constraints they were under with his lawyer on the way and the fact they had no charge and weren't going to get another crack at him in a room I think it was probably his best play.
Fun fact: The big head Det. is Det. Ed Norris. In real life he is Edward Norris former baltimore city police commissioner. He was NYC police commissioner and was brought to baltimore to help with the crime epidemic. He ended up being indicted on three charges and served 6 months in prison. One of the charges was lying on his mortgage application that the money he received from his dad was a gift but it was in fact a loan. Ironically thats the same charge Lester freeman tried to put on Clay Davis.
@@allovdem We're not the most incarcerated country in the world for no reason. Locking people up and killing people is what we do. We're ruled by fear and money. Gotta love America.
That's what I loved about Bodie. While not academically smart , he was street smart and a solider to the end. From Season 1-4 you get to see him develop more and more from a teenager to a man . I was gutted with what happened to him in Season 4 , but it felt like that's how he'd go out. I love the scene with him and McNulty when he threatened legal action for "Entrapment"!
@@Ynotnow9900 I mea what're the odds of him throwing it off the bridge and it actually hitting a barge? It was a bit dumb to not make sure the guns hit water before driving off. But I assume it was them trying to get rid of the guns quickly without making a big scene about it. If they stopped the car for an extended period of time it would just bring attention to them.
This episode is hilarious, the whole thing seems like Bodie absolutely screwed up, as he did, and he looks like a comical idiot. Once the cops drop the ball with the "print" thing, the whole mood changes. "Which one?" made me burst out laughing the first time I saw it and every time since. The smirk when they pick a gun is hilarious. Great character and great actor.
And currently hosts the big bad morning show on Baltimore sports radio station. He was chased out of his commissioner position because he was making great police moves that were seen as poor political moves by city hall. The fucked up politics of this show is absolutely real, and Ed Norris is fucking worshipped in Baltimore lol.
bodie is the definition of the show. He plays everything correctly doesnt back down knows when to quit doesnt snitch makes friends where it counts but still dies? why? because he wasnt killed for disrespect or snitching he died because they wanted him dead simple as that just another hidden message against joining gangs and shit
+geoff Police and Policy. they both look very similar but that's where the similarities end. Just search RU-vid for (Cop Recorded) i'm sure you'll see hundreds of videos w/ policy NOT following POLICY
Well, I'd argue the scene makes a point in showing "it's never black and white". There are clever slingers like Bodie as well as the guy in S5 who gets tricked into believing the printer was a lie detector. And it's the same way with the cops, as you already wrote. That's one of the things I love about the show.
The Super Star Bodie is too much a small time player to have any interest in the larger picture. It's a simple attempt to threaten Bodie with time, and then try to strike a deal with him to hang out some bigger fishes.
+The Super Star No but what could happen is the police will say "there will be no deals if you have a lawyer with you" as a means of encouraging the accused to make a deal or plea as soon as possible.
From a cop's standpoint yes. From a suspects standpoint NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. That's what lawyers are paid to do. Talking never helps you with police. NEVER. They can unravel any story and send you away. Legally it never hurts to shut your mouth and wait for a lawyer. The cops will piss and moan, they'll threaten everything including the kitchen sink etc. But they have no evidence if you say nothing. You give them evidence each time you open your mouth. Don't help them put you in prison.
You might be right... He certainly is the best, most proven and decorated soldier on the show, next to Snoop, Chris and Slim Charles. Hell, I'll even argue Cutty was too.
Bedgypooks I was just adding on to what Myk Mcgrane said. And it's true! The writers would tell you that the show was going to be canceled if it wasnt for the second season.
Absolutely agree. And how your perception of a character and their depth evolves with the show. How D'Angelo and Bodie become likeable (sympathetic in the case of the latter) as time passes. Funnily enough Omar was never a favourite of mine. My #1 is Slim, though!
That song they play in the car was also in an episode of its always sunny in philadelphia and they don't list the soundtrack credits either I've been looking for that song for almost 4 years now off and on and no one has known the title yet
The title of the show " the wire" is the thing that binds every charater together in the game. They all play the game, and they all loose. The only people who ends up okay are the people that quit the game. Like Cutty, Bubbles and Namond.
Even those who made it out have lost something in the process. Namond began to lose interest in the game in the bottom of his heart after his father got locked up for the rest of his life. Cutty lost 14 years of his life inside a jail cell. Bubbles wasted many years destroying his body, hurting and losing the trust of the ones he loves, and he has what he did to Sherod over his conscience. Poot, more or less, witnessed his best friend take two bullets in the head. It shows that the most destructive, chaotic environments are the most difficult to get out from.
Reminds me of a scene from the Jimmy Breslin movie, "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight". The Mob has a body to get rid of, so they tie it to a jukebox, and toss it off the Brooklyn Bridge in the middle of the night. They stand there waiting to hear the splash, then WHAM!, the body and the jukebox hits the deck of a freighter.
If one found themselves in this predicament, would you not dismantle the weapons. Slides, trigger group, barrel etc. And dispose of in different places? Or did I miss something
