Body Language Analyst REACTS to The Try Guys! What Happened to Ned? Are They Hiding Something? 

My first impressions; Eugene(left) is PISSED/radiates intense anger, Zack(middle) is sad/hurt, and Keith(right) is disappointed but has a better handle on his emotions than the other two

When Zach laughed at the end I actually saw it as disbelief, like he just couldn't believe they were still going to be dealing with this.

Eugene is also the only child of divorce in the group and he talks a lot about how much he struggled growing up and the negative feelings he used to have about his dad in their videos.I think that’s a big reason why he wants people to see how upset he is .

Eugene:Looks pissed, zack:looks sad and betrayed, keith looks mad and sad....I don't blame them. Ned is a douche for what he did without thinking about the repercussions to the entire crew much less his poor wife and family.

First impression: I’ve watched their video so many times and I find it so refreshing because they are so genuine. They have control of their emotions, however they are still allowing themselves to react is genuinely as possible. Zack looks like he is on the verge of tears but is desperately trying to find some humor just to get by. Keith looks like he’s just done with the whole situation, and would rather walk away and not have to deal with it again, but Eugene is probably how I would look if I was in that situation, I related the most to him, and he is certainly hurt and ready to break a nose if he could.

I wear glasses most of the time and I know that I do the weird face scrunch to push my glasses up all the time, even when I'm not wearing glasses. I became very aware of it once I started being in Zoom meetings and looking at my own face. So I could see Keith doing the face scrunch before speaking as a grooming gesture, like okay I'm getting ready to speak and I don't want my glasses to distract me or I want to make sure I look more presentable.

Eugene's manner of speaking reveals a special kind of rage of someone who has a personal connection to the wrong that has been done. Others in the comments say he's the only one from divorced parents so it makes me wonder if his mother was cheated on. He seems incredibly hurt and angry in a very personal way. With Keith, I wonder if he's an older sibling... I'm the oldest and I've made that face when my unbearable pain/anger/discomfort leaks out when I'm trying to put on a neutral or normal front during something awful. Possibly glasses adjustment but with it being right before he has to discuss something uncomfortable it makes me think theres a little more to it.

I feel Zach’s laughter, after it was explained there will be branded videos showing up in a few weeks, is him reacting to the fact they’ve taken the actions they have: firing, cutting ties, speaking out, but then still having to show new videos that will make it seem they’re negating everything they’ve just done. He’s reacting, thinking about how ridiculous they will seem showing new videos, though filmed pre-scandal, and how absurd it will appear in light of their current actions and words. It’s a no win situation and he’s realising it.

44:50 - When this leaked and was gaining traction, a lot of people on the internet were attacking both Ned and the female employee he had an affair with. Most likely, the Try Guys talked with their lawyers/PR/HR team and it was recommended to let the public know NOT to blame/attack the employee since Ned was technically her boss. They also included Ariel (when they said "family members") so that the public doesn't go harassing Ariel about this whole debacle.

I love the Try Guys and have followed them since they were at Buzzfeed. They've worked SO hard on their channel and brand, and also all have personal endeavours that they've no doubt had to put on hold and may also be at risk now this has happened. Eugene is very close to Ariel, and I think he's extremely angry that Ned has done this to her. When Keith did his first 'disgust' face, I thought that he was uncomfortable at Eugene's obvious barely repressed anger, so it's good to hear another opinion on it.

A theory on the Keith “smile”- this is something I do at times, myself. Because of the shape of my face, when I scrunch my face like that, it pushes my glasses up without me having to reach up. He may be trying not to bring his hands up, so he’s adjusting his glasses another way.

This was an incredible video to watch! I also think it's interesting who looks at who at what time. For example a couple of times Zach looks over at Keith when he's looking for support or Eugine when he's trying to show support for what he's saying. However, the others don't really do that except when they're wrapping up at the end and maybe are not as focused on remembering the script. I think it shows their relationship with each other as a unit and also that Zach is seeking more reassurance from the strength or protection from the other guys.

45:51 Zach once told Ned that he looked up to his marriage as the ideal. I think it's in the lie detector video. It seems he really looked up to Ned so that would account for how hard he/they are taking all of this. Also a key component of their brand is authenticity. They try stuff and we trust them to be honest about their experience. it might be considered a major blow to their brand... They may be protecting that as well...

The discussion around minute 24, about Eugene shaking his head. In the last moments of his head shaking and looking way to his right of the camera, he does two quick blinks, that almost look like blinking back tears. Obviously he has heard this information before, but could it be that he is so intensely mad/sad/disappointed in this, that he is still being emotionally affected? Like many traumatic things in our lives (in this case, the betrayal by a trusted friend and colleague and empathy with everyone hurt by this action) might still incite that “primal” emotion. The blink might be an eyeblock, too, but I would guess it would be to hide how deeply this is affecting him emotionally. We all know that hearing about family trauma 10 times, does not make it less sad for the family member and that processing the info and processing the emotional baggage, might have two very different timelines?

I disagree with Eugene identity thing. Fot more context, Eugene and his boyfriend are very close friends with Ned wife, Ariel. And Eugene gets angry when he is hurt. He always try to cover up the fact he is hurt with anger, it's his defense. And hr hated talking about his feelings and being open in general. Unlike Zach and Keith who are alot more open and are more comfterble with being vulnereble.

So glad you did this video! It would be so interestingto see your anysis of the (video) podcast where they talk about it - its the Trypod episode 181"ok, let's talk about it." It's just Keith, Zach and their podcast producer Miles. It's a much more casual conversation and I'm curious what you'd get from it!

The face scrunch from Keith is just him adjusting his glasses to prep for reading his next lines.

Never heard of these guys but never miss a Spidey upload!🤗❤

I, too have no clue who they are, But Stevie Wonder can see their anger and their personal loss. I feel like they all show clearly their hurt. I truly enjoyed watching you. This shows men being human. I like it

I feel like I shake my head “no” a lot when I’m being really honest & feel like I can’t find good enough words to describe myself. Like “you did so well on that” I’ll be shaking my head “no” when in reality I’m really impressed. I can tell people read that as dishonesty, but it’s sooooo opposite of that

Stress, self soothing, guy in white shirt adapters aren't on point though. Guy in black looks uncertain and angry, nervous energy coming out through his legs. They're upset but they could be sad he was found out. Guy in middle taking it the hardest lip compression, eye blocking with flutters... vocal fry. Reading from a teleprompter... just my first wee thoughts.

1) Eugene is not just angry, he's fuming 2) Zach looks and sounds broken and Keith kept his arm behind him as in support to get him through this. 3) I agree that something else could be going on... maybe something bad enough that Ned may be going to court about. Hence, the don't attack the "innocent" attitude toward the coworker, which if it's consensual, she's not innocent. 4) I just did that face while watching this! My nose is slightly funny and itches, and that movement helps the itch when your hands are otherwise occupied. 5) Spidey, you are awesome!

Thank you Spidey! I always appreciate your excellent analysis.

At the end of the video, when Zack almost chuckled when Keith states that they were unable to get out of their sponsored obligations, I see him almost saying, “Yeah, we tried, but…” I don’t see him reminiscing about good times. There is too much pain there for him to suddenly reflect on better times.

I don't think they were too harsh cutting him out of the business. I think what he meant by people being more harsh towards women is for the employee involved, her face is plastered everywhere. I'm sure she'll be attacked as the home-wrecker. I feel like they are saying they don't condone that behavior. That's thoughtful of them. But I doubt it will help. People are BRUTAL online.

30:03 I've seen people who wear glasses do this, and I've done it myself. The move is used to push the glasses back up the nose when you can't or don't want to use your hands.

First impressions : Middle guy is anxious, Keith knows something more that hes not letting on, and Eugene is right PISSED

OMG I was sooo looking forward for you to do an analysis about this Spidey. Thank youuu! I'll watch it immediately 🔥

I think Keith’s gesture is his “I wanna fix my glasses but don’t want to move because I’m already uncomfortable” kinda thing…

They may have gone to Ned first and he refused to take responsibility and may have forced them into cutting him out and doing this video instead of Ned apologizing in one.

It was so interesting to observe THREE individuals and the others reactions while each is talking. 🤯 I may be wrong but my first impression just on one view: Eugene's pissed and hurt, Keith is more like:WTF did that just happen but can balance out any negative emotion with a good sense of humor, and Zach? Hmmm my first impression was he knew SOMETHING before it came out and he's scared. That's all I got. But yeah, good brain workout! Love ya, Spidey! 💕

Ok. Pausing the video to give my take. I don’t watch the Try Guys so I don’t know their names. The person on the left seems very hurt and angry to me. The person in the middle seems very hurt and sad about the whole situation especially about losing a friend. The guy on the right seems like he is trying to be the rock and hold everything together but is deeply hurt by the entire situation. I’m probably wrong but that’s what it seems like to me. Let’s keep watching… 😊

I kept thinking, I wonder if Spidey will cover the Try Guys statement video… nah, that would be too good to be true. Then this pops up. As someone who has always found the Try Guys interesting, and who loves your analyses, I am in my happy place. Thank you for your insights. I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw a lot to contemplate here.

Love your videos, Spidey! Thank you for putting so much effort in the videos and that you share those valuable information! At a work event we played two truths, one lie and had some interrogation time. It was so much fun to observe the behaviour and body language and use the things I learned from you in real life. regarding "as we go through everything" I also think it's possible that it's a lack of control and I don't want to do this. He has to go through the legal process because it impacts the Try Guys business. He has no control over it and has to endure it. I guess it's also effecting him on a personal level because they probably had a close relationship and he might be disappointed, sad and angry about this situation which is why he wants to push that topic away from him to protect himself and feeling overwhelmed.

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but the part at 42:40(time stamp) where you're talking about Zack laughing, I don't think it was because of something funny, it felt so sad and full of grief, like he was laughing because he didn't know how else to respond. And I feel like Eugene's responds was disappointment and anger due to the fact that they still have to put out those videos due to contractual obligations. But I feel that if he is responding to Zack laughing, it's because he felt his grief and still can't believe Ned would do something to cause such devastation to them and everyone involved. Edit: Now I've watched the entire video. My take, specifically on the part about smiling(48:10), it is not unusual for someone to smile when they're sad, uncomfortable or angry, I do that. It's like a default thing(at least for me) just because I have no idea what other expression to use without looking like I'm completely full of hated and/or like I am about to break down and cry. Which seems to go along well with how they're feeling, they also seem very in tune with each other and how/what they're feeling. My last point is that it's no one's business how they're handling this situation, especially because of everything we don't know and they should Not be expected to share every minute detail. For me personally, if I find out you not only hurt me but that you did it on purpose, we're done, no second chances, especially if you also hurt my loved ones in the process.

Just my guess on what is "more to the story" Ned's cheating with an employee has opened up every one of them to litigation from the victim/subordinate. Ned's selfish behavior has put all of them in a potentially devastating legal position. They said they have talked to lawyers and maybe getting Ned out is a way to reduce damage to the others if they are sued.

Eugene is PISSED, Zach is hurt and Keith is disappointed and sad

Spidey, I’ve been watching you since the Johnny Depp trial and I’m always so mesmerized by you and your whole person. You are a tremendous human being with such incredible talent and I feel how genuine you are. Thank you for your gifts and for being such an empathic, resplendent man. You’re just awesome. ❤

I do the "glass smile" to ensure my glasses are in place as I don't want to push them back with my finger. It could be that.

I think the first shrug is "It's out of my/our control/ , It is not up to me/us"

I think on the question of whether firing Ned was an appropriate level of punishment for infidelity, it’s more than just that. He also opened them up for legal action as he’s an employer and she was an employee, additionally Ariel and Wes were close friends and co-stars, having Ned in a video would cause conflict with basically the whole casting and editing crew for some reason or another, it would cause so many issues for so many people

Keith's weird face thing looks exactly like what I do when I face-shrug to creep my glasses up my nose when they slip down.

Bout the glasses crunch smile thing is a way to push your glasses up without touching them....

I believe that with the shrug with Zack it might just be a shrug of not knowing what everything is going to consist of as they move forward with all the legal stuff

Just wanted to come back to your channel to say yours is my favorite channel. I enjoy the way your videos are structured, letting us develop our own opinions first, and the knowledge you share, it’s all really fun, too. I also really appreciate that you do your best to be as objective as possible. Instead of rallying against unfavorable people, which could be easy and gets viewers fired up. Thanks for all your efforts 👏 😊

From what I understood, in California there's a labour Law that if a boss has a romantic relation with an employee, this can put in trouble the entire Company because other employees can sue for damage the Company for the andavange that employee had on the workplace from that relation. And also the employee he cheated with can sue because of the role of power of the employer that can force them into an affair. In fact Ned made clear the affair between them was consensual. So I believe the Company has something like a duty of control in avoiding such kind of stuff. It is strange in my point of view as in my country it is not rare for people to have affaires in the workplaces, but the Californian Law totally makes sense to me. And I believe expelling him from the Company was what they had to do in order to protect the Company from law suits.

The weird smile Keith does is to lift the glasses back up his nose without touching it. I do that some times so I think it isn’t a smile at all. 🤓

First impressions: Guy on the left is angry 😠 Guy in the middle is sad 😔 Guy on the right is anxious/worried 😬

I saw enormous shame, frustration, anger, vulnerability, and sadness in all of the 3 gents. Eugene is incredibly frustrated and angry, showing also disgust. Zack is hurt, insecure and frustrated. Keith is the most calm but you can catch his frustration and some sarcastic comments running through his mind here and there when he is sort of smiling. All of them show vulnerability and shame with their posture and face.

I think you missed going over all those gestures and expressions of Eugene's in those last seconds. It was the most expressive of the whole thing.

When I first heard of this, knowing nothing about them, I leaned towards it being cowardly to fire a colleague over a personal mistake for the sake of saving face...but then I found out about it being wiht an employee and his/their whole brand. Necessary.

At the end Zachs laughter strike me as embarrassment and disbelief

I think Eugene’s head shake was more “what a f*cking waste” in terms of the videos that they now can’t release or have to put a ton more work into now to remove Ned. Eugene is also a child of a broken home so I think this hit him hard in a lot of ways and probably brought up a lot of feelings. I also think Eugene is using his rage and disgust to hide his real hurt. You can hear right at the end where his voice breaks and he looks off to the side. It sounded like he was about to break into tears.

I wouldnt be surprised if part of the reason they had to let him go is that video ideas were made by him so Ned and Alex could participate in videos together or so Alex could be involved and have her reap benefits from the episode.

Thank you so much! Fabulous examples --I got so many of these. I agree there is probably something more to this.

Now Keith gesture I think is when he swallows hard from stress. Several men make that gesture but with a mustache it is more noticeable. Another thing that kept my attention was the Eugene's de-stress gesture at the end. He was so so stressed.

Regarding Keith's face scrunches and after analysing myself a little, it could also be a way to make his glasses go up without adjusting them with his hand. Literally as I was watching him do that I did the same expression with my face because my glasses were falling off. But this is just a small theory, it could very well be another thing.

Well you said that shrugging and tightlipped can mean ‘i have nothing to say because I have nothing more to add to this’, I think Zachs shrug when he said ‘as we go through everything’ was in relation to that. I feel like he did that as a way of saying it’s literally everything so I have nothing else to add because it’s just too much to add.

I think it is also possible that the interaction where Zach laughs and Eugene shakes his head, it could be they filmed something that is ironically funny to Zach. Like, they are sometimes sponsored by apps related to mental health, and Zach has spoken about how hard this was for him... Maybe he thinks it's ironically funny, whereas Eugene is more angry about it.

As an eyeglass wearer, I sometimes does that wierd smile thing when I need to stop my glasses from falling especially in stressful situations in front of people but don't want to bring much attention to myself by moving my hands. Could that be what it was?

Eugene is really close and protective of his mom, sisters and the wives. I think this is a lot of what is happening.

To me, the laugh from Zach you're talking about near the end is a laugh of helplessness. I think I also do something similar when I'm in a situation I think is ridiculous but I can't do anything about it. So, in my opinion the laugh shows he finds the whole situation(about the sponsored videos) ridiculous and feels powerless because they can't change it.

Around 43:15 when you're talking about Zach's laugh and Eugene's headshake, I know EXACTLY why Zach is laughing, because it's what I do. When something is shocking or (more likely in this case) just an unbelievable cluster****, you laugh because you can't do anything else. The situation is a bit overwhelming, and it feels like your options are to either sink down and lose yourself in being upset and angry or to laugh about it. People think I'm nuts when things are going wrong at work. Keith I feel like I also understand, because my brother is the same when things are bad. He kind of shuts down and doesn't let loose a ton of anger or sadness, he just gets focused and tries not to let out an inappropriate reaction, which results in a bit of a "blank" look.

In their podcast, Keith and Zach talked about what they were feeling and talk a bit more about the behind the scenes. Zach had to deal with all the lawyer stuff since Eugene and Keith were working on other projects. This is why I think this was so hard for him. He was alone as the face of the company while working with his staff. Their losing sponsorships and the TV show was changed from prime time. Keith and Zach are very upset on the podcast. I think they were able to show their true emotions there. And all of this doesn’t just affect the guys but their amazing crew.

Keith's weird smile thing is SO relatable. I often have this reaction when a moment gets so serious that I feel like laughing out of dismay or dark humour to cope. Eugene's strong "This..." with the dramatic pause triggered Keith to laugh but he reins it in to make sure the audience knows he is serious.

I liked that Keith kept his arm behind Zach. It seemed like a supportive and protective gesture towards Zach. And as far as them cutting Ned off from his income, he's going to be fine. His net worth is listed at $10 million and is the highest of the four of them.

The first time I watched this I saw Eugene as being pissed. The second time, I saw it more as grief and sadness. Eugene is not comfortable with showing his vulnerabilities, so it comes off as more aggressive.

Really insightful observations about Eugene’s fashion choice and his struggles with identity. He has stated in previous interviews that he has difficulty expressing his emotions so he uses fashion as a means of expression and as a shield. So it makes sense that his choice of clothing is intentional. Also, Eugene was the most reluctant about joining/investing in the company and releasing his videos through the TryGuys channels, so I can understand why he would feel the most betrayed by the exposure of Ned’s “the wife guy” facade and infidelity.

As someone who have watched The Try Guys since their second year as a Buzz Feed group. Eugene's reaction is absolutely no surprise. He has continuesly shown and said that he has a hard time trusting and letting people in. However, in the last few years he has become more open to letting people in - and he's expressed that this is partially thanks to the other 3 guys in the group and their friendship. So no, Eugene didn't just loose a friend and business partner, he lost someone he trusted. One of the few people he truly trusted and knew how hard it is for him to trust. Ned helped build Eugene's confidence in other people to the degree where he could come out to the whole world as gay. Ned KNEW all this and still smashed that trust to pieces. But not only did he do something to break Eugene's trust. He also put everyone in a really bad situation that could, potentially, break the whole company or at least damage it. To make it even worse, Eugene is also friends with Ariel and has had a lot of childhood struggles due to his own parents getting divorced when he was a kid, so this probably feels even more personal to Eugene. As for cutting Ned's whole income? That's not really a thing. All the guys have side business and honestly, even if he didn't, Ariel has a good job and can take care of herself and the kids, so if they struggle due to his shitty choices, then she should throw the man on his ass so he can reap what he has sown. I have no sympathy for Ned in this.

Eugene is my guy. The way he’s not hiding his anger, which I don’t doubt stems from deep disappointment, is just great.

I think that Zach's laughter is at the irony of like "Yup, contractually we need to keep him in those videos, so it's gonna be weird..." It's a mirthless chuckle.

At the beginning when Keith was shaking no and looking away, I do think it's disbelief but I thought he was looking down remembering the moment when they found out and he is in his thoughts as he looks away reliving it.

Kieth's weird facial expression is just his way of lifting his glasses without having to touch it.

Brilliant analysis and stunningly unbiased. Loved this one, Spidey. ❤

Wow! That was an awesome read on everybody. The part when Eugene talked about the internet being harder on women and to have kindness, that was so needed. I don't even follow these guys (my teens do and they were completely shocked), yet I've seen the comments about how "the employee is a home wrecker" and "the wife must not be giving Ned something", and nothing about the guy himself. So Eugene standing up for the women is awesome! And Eugene isn't the only one pissed! Those emotional tremors you hear from Zach (I'm not 100% sure that was the middle guys name), that's exactly how I sound when I'm pissed. Like I'm going to burst into tears. But it's because I'm so angry it overwhelms me. I felt it as soon as his voice wavered. This entire thing is a prime example of how one person's actions can set off an avalanche that takes everyone out around them.

I think Keith smiles when Eugene says, “THIS…” because Eugene seems to be omitting a curse that he probably used in rehearsal. Maybe Keith is waiting to see if he really says it, and is momentarily taken out of the subject matter and back to his comfort zone of humor and camaraderie.

I love how you give credit to all the researchers and their studies! It makes the whole behavioral arts feel more like a community and a passion we have together. Thank you for always explaining things so clearly and nuanced!

I'm so glad you did this analysis! Here is my two cent: I think smiles/laughter on Zach's side is probably incredulous about all the wasted work and how awkward it'll be going foward. When Eugene shakes his head while Zach chuckled it's same thing but angry. Like "I can't believe that you put us through this!" They prepare a lot of work in advance, they have sponsors and engagements with providers that they have to respect. As for Keith weird face crunch could it be that he is raising his glasses without touching them? I admit, the timing of it is weird... all and all, i appreciate their video.

I love that you let people know that you reached out to other experts in behavior and "debated" together. Shows an open mind and growth mindset. Very nice.

Eugene is not just talking to us, he's pretty much talking to Ned there. Also he always had a harder time opening up to the guys and i think he feels utterly betrayed now.

I know what Keith is doing with that weird smile because I used to do it when I wore big glasses. It's a grooming gesture to look good just before he talks. His glasses are gliding down a little and he brings them up again with his cheekbones!! If you look at the glasses you will notice that they are a little bit higher after he does that. As usual, great insight! Love your videos!

I took Zach laughing and Eugene shaking his head “no” as their shared responses to the videos coming out but showing it differently based on their personalities: both showing disapproval with Zach laughing as in “this is bad timing/oh man” and Eugene as “why do we have to put them out…this sucks”.

You should watch their podcast where Keith and Zack go into more detail. I don't know if they're hiding more information, as you questioned near the end, but it does seem that there is a lot they can't say due to legal restraints. Overall, I think the remaining Try Guys seem very genuine and are taking the right steps in a very murky and ugly situation.

This was the rare case where I'd seen the video in question before yours! To me Zach just seems absolutely devastated, betrayed, and heartbroken. Keith, I think is upset, but what's done is done and he's more worried about the employees and the welfare of the company they built together. Eugene... Eugene is just out for blood. 😂He would be the best friend to have if someone ever hurt you! I don't think it's just about Ned endangering the company, either. I think he's restraining himself as best he can, but he's absolutely disgusted and enraged on a very personal level, and very much for Ariel's sake/by Ned harming *her.*

I think one reason why they felt like they couldn't continue with Ned is that him being "the wife guy" was such a big thing. In any further videos everytime he mentions his wife, people would remember. If they get divorced people would know. If he wouldn't talk about her anymore, it would also be glaringly obvious. One apology video and moving on simply isn't possible if you build your brand on how much you love your wife.

I've watched The Try Guys for years, and it's always been evident that Keith is a genuine, forthright, good guy. He's not a liar. When he said they had no idea what was going on and were just as taken by surprise as fans, I knew immediately that his body language was conveying something other than deception. He's embarrassed and disappointed in himself, not only for not picking up on signs that something was amiss but for misjudging someone he's worked with day in and day out for years. He feels like people are probably judging him for not knowing what's been going on right under his nose, and that makes him feel ashamed.

Around 38:00 when you’re talking about Zach seeming to have the hardest time with the decision, I think the reason Zach is expressing stress was because he was the main person who was having to handle all of the legal aspects & talking with lawyers every day. On their podcast he talks about how stressful & exhausting that was for him & it seems like all of those feelings are coming up when talking about making the decision to let Ned go.

I don't think there's an undertone to his message with being kind towards women. I've noticed that whenever there is a cheating story and the guy cheats on his partner with another woman, everyone tends to go crazy over the affair partner, calling her names, trying to doxx her, sending death threats. So perhaps this employee already started receiving a lot of hate. It's the idea that she broke a home and she's the one to blame because she knew he's married....but then the guy also knew he's married and he still chose to stick his D where it shouldn't be....

I've wanted this video from you since their video came out! Love it already! Keep it up Spidey!

Really great video. Lots of insights. Most noteably, I think, is that a part of your analysis supports a common theory. At 25:35, when Eugene long pauses after "This.", lots of people, myself included, think that that was because he had to wait for the teleprompter (or whatever they were was reading off of) to scroll to the next line. This could be somewhat humorous. So your analysis at 31:58 that Keith's weird facial expression was a reaction to something making him laugh lines up perfectly. It makes total sense!

Ned’s wife is also an employee of the company and they’ve all worked with her for a long time, so I think that might add clarity to some the nuance that’s going on. I think they feel protective of Ariel on top of everything else.

My initial thoughts from the clip line up with what most fans are saying. Eugene is angry, Zach is trying not to cry, and Keith looks exhausted. Edit for further responses- Zach shrug, probably a mix. Mostly doesn't want to go through everything, probably also admitting there's no way to go through "everything" but for simplification purposes, go with it. Keith breaking eye contact, I think he's ashamed with himself for not seeing clues. I think they're sincere that they didn't know but I think at least two of them are feeling some guilt. (I say at least two because it's hard to read anything other than anger from Eugene.) I think the "no" is disapproval of Ned's action/disappointment in Ned, and again, shame. Eugene headshake while Keith is talking, agreed, show of disapproval (of Ned.) "Aggressively pissed-off" made me laugh. Bang on! Excellent insight into WHY he's mad. He has had to fight for his identity and this does potentially cast doubt. It's personal for all of them because this is their company, their friend, their employees, but the other two probably aren't worried about what the fans will think of them as individuals in the same way Eugene is. I agree Zach ultimately agrees with the decision they all made but probably struggled most with the moral decision making because yes, that's his friend. He doesn't want to hurt or lose anybody and he's still battling with the inner conflict of this was the right decision but it sucks. I took Zach's little laugh at the branded videos part as an acknowledgement that it's awkward that they're committed to branded content at this awkward time. I agree Eugene's again disappointed in all the ways this impacted what they've done and possibly was thinking Zach's laugh wasn't appropriate. I think Eugene's being protective of the women involved mostly for Ariel's sake and also a little because no matter what Alex's consent level was, there's an unbalanced power dynamic there in Ned's favour. It's possible Alex is claiming it wasn't consentual. Knowing all the little things fans have nitpicked and brought out from old podcasts, it sounds like Alex has a history of being a party girl I wonder if Eugene sees vulnerability there. I think Eugene feels MORE protective of Ariel and angry about that relationship breaking because of the kids involved and the fact that he's a child of divorce. He also might be urging for everyone to go easy on Alex because Alex's fiance did immediately break off the engagement, so no matter her fault level, she has also lost something major. To respond to the cutting off Ned's income: 1. I'm sure he's still entitled to some amount of money, between residuals and severance, etc. Possibly bought out as owner by contract. But also, Ariel (Ned's wife) is still an employee of the company at this time, so they haven't left a family with small kids without an income.

Eugene: Anger and Betrayal (Also Eugene is the most private and is selective about who he allows into his life) Zach: Sadness and Lost Keith: Disappointment (I do notice he leans into Zach more with his arm around Zach as well, so he's trying to be supportive while processing everything)

I have to say, I literally did not know who these guys were. I still don't to be fair yet still their video really shook me. I DON'T have any attachment to these guys or the poor wife. But this video has to be genuine.

My husband makes a similar expression as Keith when he is adjusting his glasses. He constantly adjusts his glasses without touching them. I thought maybe he was grooming preparing to speak.

I've been wondering if Keith's headshake and looking away wasn't a disappointment in himself. I think (just like any friend) that he might have seen the signs but that he ignored it because he didn't want to believe it.

Every time Spidey talks about Paul Ekman I picture Tim Roth in my head😂

As someone who struggles with trauma based dissociation, I noticed Eugene’s anger, but I also noticed a bit of dissociation and zoning out, which makes sense due to the intense shock and betrayal he must be feeling along with his childhood traumas due to being a child of divorce resurfacing.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. They're truly affected by this huge disruption in their lives. I'd be angry too. Thoughtless and selfish, unrestrained behavior hurts more than just YOU!!

I don't know them. I can hardly pay attention to the other two guys because my eyes go to the guy in black, I almost feel threatened, he clenches his fist and looks angrily at the camera and his partners, they seem nervous but he looks really really angry! Love your videos Spidey!