It's really interesting to realize that Honey Sugarman and the fly guy are singing a duet alone. We hear it as a completed song but the audience in the show for the perspective timelines are only hearing half. They did an amazing job mixing these 2 time lines!
I think Honey Sugarman was imagining Crackerjack singing and playing the piano with her, because the piano is a memory she shares with Crackerjack, and she went there as soon as she saw it. The fly guy could be imagining his wife singing with him as well
it reminded me of beatrice's performance with crackerjack in the view from halfway down by how she jumped and it looked like she was flying. i feel like its also talking about the bug guy refusing to fly after his wifes death.
I think it's that but I think it's also about moving on from their past and loved ones, but because of their memories of them they can't forget. They'll "take flight" and leave them behind, they SHOULD do that, but "maybe tomorrow, not tonight" because they're just so hung up on the past
Well, I'd also add that Eddie refuses to fly as a vow he did for his dead wife, which certainly is a further allegoric layer for the song. "I don't fly!"
I feel like it’s a subjective interpretation I see it as recover she take flight maybe tomorrow not tonight she’s praying she’ll recover tomorrow despite knowing how unlikely it is tonight will be hard hopefully tomorrow will better such a shame things unfortunately don’t always get better
This scene always makes me cry, she’s morning for her son and just like the saying goes: “When a parent dies, the child feels their own mortality. But when a child dies, a parent feels immorality” as in the mother will feel that pain of losing her son forever.
honestly thats what hits me so hard. it would be so easy to write this as another sappy romance or lost dreams or what have you. but that was her SON, her child. that's a pain that's unfathomable and she was punished for hurting. ....this show
A child who lose their parents is called and orphan, but a parent who loses their child has no name.. because no one word can describe how painful it is
I think that is that the saddest moments. Because it a mother that just lost her son from the war and a husband that lost his wife a long time ago and still missing her.
The line, 'But memories, they last' isn't true for Honey or Beatrice. Honey's lobotomy messed up her mind and most likely memories, and Beatrice got dementia when she was older. It's really sad thinking about it.
Might be stupid,but re-watching this scene I realized both of them,when grieving their loved one decided not to sing their respective part of the duet as it's something forever incompleted in both Honey and Eddie's mind,portrayed by the show through the song.They feel like they are no one without the person they loved. So when singing,the reason why people look at them weirdy,is that they're just singing half the song
The thing is, with Eddie's piano playing, his singing would sound much more sane and reasonable than Honey's. People would just think he forgot the words. Honey's is the one which sounds actually sort of nuts.
Another cool thing is that when only Honey is singing, Eddie plays her part on the piano, which makes complete sense since it provides a replacement for the female counterpart not being there in his time!
My favorite arc of the show by far. The way they melded the two stories that were only connected by one sole character who wasn't even in most scenes (Beatrice) while it being coherent, the way they touched on topics rarely discussed or deeply explored, and the way they could show those two practically unrelated story plots simultaneously was absolutely boggling to watch.
Anyone else haunted when Eddie sings his chorus? "No I don't wanna be alone now, Just biding my time, I need somebody dearly, And darling, you'd be sublime." That first line...
I'm not sure. It may be, sure, but I think she may have been thinking how she related to her mother's pain, but was unable to help her. Like in Beatrice's funeral, when Bojack said they were all drowing together, but didn't know how to save each other. Beatrice was grieving too and she was unable to save herself or her mother, and that's just too sad.
@@stephaniemasson1224Sure, Crackerjack is her loss too, but the series never touched on how it made her feel. Only the affects it had on her mother, and in turn, her parent’s marriage. What we can see though, is that once Crackerjack died, according to Beatrice’s father, she stopped being a mother.
I don't think so. It looked like Beatrice and Honey did have a good relationship, but Honey lost her own son, so of course that's gonna take control of her life. I think that Beatrice's face is a mix of sadness and confusion, since in her timeline Honey is singing alone, without a partner.
@@289rory I don't think it's that "she always loved Crackerjack more than me," but I definitely see an element in Beatrice's reaction of knowing that there is no coming back from this loss, and that there is no way that her relationship with her mother ever can be the same again.
@@Goalieguy-rq9cu It wouldn't have been handwritten, nor have come from Hollyhock, were it a restraining order, but I'm sure that it more or less had the same effect.
Every one talks about how sad it is for Honey and Beatrice but what about Eddie. He watched his wife fucking minced by a plane, that is hella disturbing.
Love the way this show treats the audience. Other series would feel the need to hammer the point about it being a split duet across time home with unnecessary visual cues but Bojack keeps it simple and beatiful
Yeah I’ve never seen BoJack horseman so I didn’t have any context for who these people are but it wasn’t hammered in so I could figure it out myself. It was nice
@@hierrikmedan6934 can't recommend it enough. season one can be a bit hard to get through but it's an incredible show. watching this scene, this episode in context is a masterpiece
They have several visual cues in the reactions of everyone in Honey's timeline but they are subtly done (Beatrice's are especially poignant). It's interesting that BoJack is the only one is his timeline to notice something unusual, even though Eddie sounds much less incomplete with the piano accompaniment (and the time BoJack reacts, he's sung the melody excepting for the last line, in which he harmonizes). Honey looks much more bizarre in her time line than Eddie in his and BoJack's, of course, since she starts in near the end of the first A section, wordlessly vocalizes during the B section (giving us all goosebumps), and of course is without piano.
I also noticed that whenever someone from 1945 passed by people in the present year, the people they passed by turned slightly transparent. That's a nice touch.
I just realized the actual reason they’re each singing a one sided duet is because Eddie would sing with his wife, and Hiney would sing with crackerjack
@@alfredmonnery5541 No, it got a good ending last year. The creators are doing Tuca and Bertie now though, which has a lot more of the comedy but still excellently done characters.
Watching Honey Sugarman decend into madness after she lost her son was really heart breaking, and the final scene where the fly starts crying about not wanting to live bought me into tears , no animated show has ever bought this much depth of emotions and executed it so well.
my favourite part is they are both singing a duet alone connecting their stories and they both were missing their other half to the song for honey it was crackerjack and eddie is missing his wife. them both experiencing significant loss is what ties their characters together and they are representing each others loss
This song always brings me to almost tears. My heart never ached this hard for two fictional characters before. They both deserved so much better than what they got. This show really pulls at the heartstrings at times. When I saw the scene where Honey finally breaks down in front of her husband, begging him to "Fix" her.. wow. And the fact that Beatrice had to watch all of that? Spending her days eagerly waiting to see her mother again, only to be mortified when she finally sees her, a shell off her past self. And then being told "Love does things to a person. Terrible things. Beatrice, promise me you will never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack." And then Eddie, having to watch his own wife being killed by a plane? Poor guy. It's no wonder why he vowed to never fly again, how traumatizing that would be. And then Bojack came.. and messed it all up for him. Ruining the work he did on the lakehouse for Bojack by destroying it, forcing Eddie to fly when he told Bojack MULTIPLE times throughout the episode that he "doesn't fly," reopening his old wounds. Damn.
@Lunar To be fair, Bojack had good intentions when he forced Eddie to fly. He knew he was hurting, but he didn’t know *how much* he was hurting. In a way, Bojack might have actually helped him, even if it meant opening old wounds, as it forced Eddie to confront the reason why he no longer flew. The morning after he flew for the first time in years, he seemed to have began the first stages of acceptance, or at least moved on from the anger stage in grief. While what Bojack did on paper was shallow, in his head, it likely sounded much less damaging. Seeing Eddie break down in front of the lake, though, that snapped him out of his own stage of grief, and allowed him to message Diane for the first time in months.
I will always think of you I see your face when each day's through And days go past Oh, so fast But memories, they last Summer, winter, year by year (Year by year) I'll hear the song inside my ear Trying to restart That'd be smart But thoughts of you haunt my heart No, I don't want to be alone now Just biding my time I need somebody dearly And darling, you'd be sublime Spring and Autumn Up and down (Up and down) I keep trying to escape this town And I just might I'll take flight Maybe tomorrow, not tonight
I just realised that they may look like they're singing together, but they are singing by themself. I can't believe Honey could remember the entire song perfectly without someone playing the piano.
it was so interesting to see the difference in melody from this version of the song and the version earlier in the episode, where honey sings with crackerjack. it's so upbeat and cheerful, bursting with energy when even crackerjack makes a little joke while singing. it's haunting how easy it is to flip the whole mood of the song.
Everyone's saying that Honey and Eddie are singing their own parts, but it feels like it's the opposite, cuz when Honey and Crackerjack sing together she starts the song. Maybe they're singing the missing person's part because if they sing their original part, the silence will pain them even more? 🤷🏽♀️
Honey seems to hear Eddie playing across the years, perhaps the only suggestion of the supernatural in BoJack Horseman (outside hallucinations, etc.). Reminds me of Sondheim: "Sweeney heard music that nobody hears."
I find it cool that in the beginning there’s a black faded outline behind Beatrice and Honey but when Honey appears by the piano the outline disappears
Lyrics: I will always think of you I see your face when each day's through And days go past (oh so fast) But memories, they last Summer, winter, year by year (year by year) I'll hear the song inside my ears Trying to restart (that'd be smart) But thoughts of you haunt my heart No I don't wanna be alone now Just biding my time I need somebody dearly And darling, you'd be sublime Spring and autumn, up and down (up and down) I keep trying to escape this town And I just might (I'll take flight) Maybe tomorrow, not tonight
I associate this song with a very beloved dog I lost. The kind of love that you get to have with a furry companion once in a lifetime if you’re lucky. I miss her dearly, and I hope she’s all right.
After the intense season that was season three, this episode was like a calming breath of fresh air. It was a chance to step back and just breathe for a moment.
When I hear this song I think of two different types of person singing it together: the first is a person who moved away from their best friend since childhood and is missing them, singing about how they can't stop thinking about the great times they had together. The other is a person is someone who was abused in some way (whether from a parent or a significant other is unclear) and the things they said to them stuck like fly paper made of super glue and maple syrup, singing about how their having trouble getting over them or believe what they said as true. Their singing the same song and relate to it but for completely different reasons and having no clue about it.
Literalmente nenhum brasileiro em um vídeo de tradução pra PT-BR. É bizarro como poucas pessoas conhecem essa obra no Brasil, essa série é provavelmente a melhor animação que eu vi na vida.
Splitting apart the duets into their respective times, at least Eddie is playing the piano and started the song. Honey just bursts into one half of a duet with no accompaniment. The idea of her having been broken to that extent is chilling. Not quite as chilling as what they did to "fix" her.
everybody talks about how this is clearly Honey singing alongside nothing, as nobody was actually playing the piano, but she clearly HEARS the piano before seeing it, as obvious in the first couple seconds either it's just a missed "plot hole" or whatever by the animators, or she genuinely thought she heard the piano playing, or maybe even thought she saw crackerjack where the Fly was sitting
At first, the piano only caught her eye because she saw it out of the corner of her eye, but she was only interested in the piano because it reminded her of Crackerjack. Her singing means that she genuinely thought she heard the piano AFTER she sees it, which is exactly why everyone was looking at her like she was crazy. She and Crackerjack had different parts of the song, so she only sings the parts that were her's while she doesn't say anything for crackerjack's part of the song because it's a duet. She sang without the piano in real life and only sang bits of the song, which is why everyone thought she was crazy.
Something that always destroys my soul is how greatly they portrayed how songs change meaning. When we first hear this song, honey is happily playing with her son, then after he passes this song changes tone and completely haunts her. There are certain songs I can’t listen to without thinking of my father who has passed and I think this parallel is so beautiful. songs that once happily reminded me of him now destroy me. I love this show ❤❤❤
Lyrics: I will always think of you I see your face when each day's through And days go past Oh, so fast But memories, they last Summer, winter, year by year (Year by year) I'll hear the song inside my ear Trying to restart That'd be smart But thoughts of you haunt my heart No, I don't want to be alone now Just biding my time I need somebody dearly And darling, you'd be sublime Spring and Autumn Up and down (Up and down) I keep trying to escape this town And I just might I'll take flight Maybe tomorrow, not tonight
I will always think of you I see ur face when he stays through And days go past oh do fast but memories they last Summer winter Year by year I hear the song inside my ear Time to restart Happy, smart but thoughts of you Haunt my heart No I don't wanna be alone now Just biding my time I need somebody dearly and darling you'd be sublime Spring and autumn up and down I keep trying to escape this town And I just might- -ill take flight Maybe tomorrow not tonight
this is one of the maybe the only scene I remember from the first time watching the show this had to be something special that it stuck with me that long
I can never describe how this show "Got me". Not this episode particularly but I love the song and the overall theme of the show is a lot like my own baggage.
this scene haunts me so much. have you noticed that whenever honey or beatrice walks in front of fly guy or any scenery from the future, theres a shadow between them?
I know this song is about Honey’s grief, but I also think it could be about Bojack. “Spring and Autumn, up and down/ I keep trying to escape this town.” Bojack tries various ways to escape his guilt and self-loathing throughout the series- through booze, through drugs, through success, through his relationships. He keeps looking for that one thing that will “fix” him, but everything he tries just makes things worse for him and everyone around him. And while he does have moments of clarity that make you think he will change for the better- “And I just might / I’ll take flight”- he almost always reverts back to his toxic ways because he either cannot or will not commit to change. “Maybe tomorrow, not tonight.”
“You can fill your life with projects, and books, and movies, and your little girlfriends.. But that won’t make you whole… You’re BoJack Horseman. There ain’t no cure for that.”
I really miss the dude who showed me this show I honestly hope he’s doing well last time I talked to him his friend died and he wasn’t the best I tried to help him but idk anymore kinda lost contact with him hope I see him again or soon
BJH took an incredible turn after 'that's too much man' . From the old sugarman place to free churro to view from half way down. It was all eerie and somewhat emo, but was definitely more emotionally investing
Lyrics I will always think of you I see your face when each day's through And days go past Oh, so fast But memories, they last Summer, winter, year by year (Year by year) I'll hear the song inside my ear Trying to restart That'd be smart But thoughts of you haunt my heart No, I don't want to be alone now Just biding my time I need somebody dearly And darling, you'd be sublime Spring and Autumn Up and down (Up and down) I keep trying to escape this town And I just might I'll take flight Maybe tomorrow, not tonight
The fact that this is a duet across time is so cool. They’re really singing alone which is why everyone is staring at Honey like that, but her and Eddie are able to express their grief with the same song 70 years apart
I always loved this scene for that reason. Another way I like to look at it is, no matter what emotion you're feeling at this moment, there is someone who has felt the exact same as you. There were people a thousand years ago who felt as you do, and there will continue to be people feeling these same things for as long as humans exist.
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