I loved this one. I wish I had a real Dad like the Characters Ben Cartwright and Sheriff Andy Taylor from the Andy Griffith Show. I grew up with these shows. Those words of wisdom from this episode "The Trouble With Jamie" made me cry and understand certain things in my life today. Thank you all for uploading everything from the glory days of Bonanza.
@Justtess you know I grew up in an abusive family but even I know but sometimes a kid needs a spanking. Don't do it in anger and you explain to them why they're getting a spanking. If there's a certain age limit that comes with that but my point is there's nothing wrong with physically disciplining your kid if everything else doesn't work
I really enjoy this episode. In most, there are only small pieces dedicated to Ben's parenting skills. This one is a serious study in raising sons who respect, not only you, but themselves. I could have used a Dad like Ben... and brothers like Adam, Hoss and Little Joe! Love it!! Thank you!
Also - someone mentioned he didn't like it when Ben excused Hoss and Lil Joe from the table before they were finished. Did you see them talk back> No! Sometimes parents tell their kids to do something and maybe they won't like it, but that's life; and respect!
@@kellymcfalls1458 but thats not true this whole show is a oximorron- time and time again ben said that the ranch was the boys ranch and his, jsut at times of them talking about one of the boys leaving ben would go outta his way to talk them outta it or make sure there really sure and when there were talked about weddings they talked about giving 5k acres of the pondorosa to them, so no it doesnt make a lick of sense for them to just leave the table with food still pilled high on there plates. in fact adam as known in the show, was so fucking rilled up over this insane bowing to there father and needing to check with pa on everything though on every other word it was how they were men and how they were equal owners yet on every other stance they were told otherwise he left the damn show
1 of my ALL TIME FAVORITE BONANZA EPISODES, Too bad a couple of generations missed out on that type of discipline. Don't have to do it often, but once in a while, a child needs to know about the consequences of the good and bad of what they do. Merry Christmas to all!!
Jose Carter Sr: Hoss in nightgown & hat.What a sight to see!Soo glad pyjamas were invented.I don't think you're allowed to spank the little darlings now,are you?
A few decades ago my husband and I toured the Ponderosa house and buildings. Great fun walking the rooms that I had seen so many times as a child growing up. 👏👍👍♥️😀
@@Ryooken I know when Ben saw Jamie disrespect his father he thought 💭 to himself if you were My son and then he tanned his hide and Jaime got his “message “ real quick
The breakfast scene @ 10:45 is also great-that glower Hoss gives Jamie for putting honey in his bed; as the old saying goes, “If looks could murder, Jamie would be dead,” that’s for sure. And then just a second later as Jamie excuses himself to ride the horses, it’s obvious just what Hoss (and Joe)must be thinking: “ANYTHING to get away from us, the little creep!”
Ben gave Jamie an ultimatum; Behave yourself or else. Jamie didn't listen and wound up on the receiving end of a very brutal sounding spanking. Jamie did have it coming.
That spanking was BS. I've taken much worse in my time. Try going out, picking your own triple stranded switch and whooped with it till it broke. Even the Boondocks was on the light side of what I've gotten on the regular.
Real bad move for the father to marry the "ward". Maybe the father was jealous and wanted to end her friendship with Jamie. The father raised this "ward" and then married her. Something sick about that...
Maritza Agosto maybe but maybe not Adam might have understood where Jaime was coming from because both of their mothers died in giving birth to them he would have been able to talk with him about it and then tan his behind
Granted the kid was a spoiled brat and I think Ben's approach was the right one. But the person who deserved to have to sit on a cushion is the kid's father. Imagine growing up in household unloved, unwanted farmed out first to servants and then boarding schools. Naturally he is upset with his father's marriage [i.e., read siring a replacement son] and feels betrayed by both. I don't agree with Ben's pushing the kid to be a grownup about his father's impending marriage to his only friend. Instead, his father should have been admonished about repairing his relationship with his son before siring another. His remarriage must seem to the kid as another example of shutting him out of his father's life.
❤ thank you, finally im glad im not the only one who saw that Jamies father dumped him on ben instead of raising him himself or trying, like hes not bens responsibility And jamies dad is super creepy for going after someone so young, it was very weird that he and his ward just went to cali for a couple of months and have already set a date for the wedding when they get back, super weird If the woman wasn't so young and they had been gone for 1 month instead of 2 , i wouldn't be so mad, jamie was hurt as he should, but he came more off as disgusted as was i watching this
Jamie's Dad has a lot of fathering to do to make things right with his son before he sets off in another direction. He should take time, at least 9 months to a year to spend time with his son to repair the lifelong rift and show his son how much he cares. Then and only then, head off into a marriage. This episode was written by a woman... Not sure how this played into the plot.
I don't even blame Hoss and Joe for wanting to murder that brat ... thanks to Ben , he gave that kid the spanking of his life . Two scenes with the sheriff , a day or more in jail would've been a good start for Jamie .
In the defense of Jamie, I thought the marriage of his dad and his "ward" was a bit creepy also. She seemed a lot closer to Jamie's age than to the father. I thought that Jamie had a crush on her at the start. Ben "tanned" a few hides in this show.
IMDb- Trivia The age gap between the actor playing Matthew and the actress playing Elizabeth was 23 years, while it was just 7 years between Elizabeth and Jamie.
This was normal in that era. Older man, young wife. His reaction is normal to finding out things are changing forever and he didn't have any input in the decision. He's also resentful he doesn't have a mother. He laughs she died giving him birth. He's bitter and angry.
@MyNameIsDave Yes, it was common for older men to marry younger women, but there's something kinda creepy about a man marrying his own ward. That's creepy in any century, like how Woody Allen married Soon-Yi. I'm adopted and I love my father as a FATHER, not as a boyfriend or husband.
@@zxyatiywariii8 different times. Back then it was normal to marry your cousin, these days not so much, although I do know 2 cousins that are married. Freaky
Back during this era, there WAS a strong sense of fanily. Families HAD to rely on one another, sometimes for survival. Today, in society, there are many "safety nets" for individuals
I don't think Jamie was 'college educated', he was at "boarding school", probably a prep school. He was only supposed to be about fifteen or sixteen at the most. Learning the workings of a ranch at that period of history was most likely the most useful education he received up till that time, not to mention other lessons he received on the Poderossa.
Back then, college was not the same. College could be a university or a prep school. You often went to college if you tested high enough to go, or were rich enough, and that was typically done after the age of 15 or so. 8th grade was the highest most got before moving on to "college". Most kids didn't attend school past that age, if at all, however as they went to work instead on ranches and things. Many children only attended school periodically and if their parents thought it was worth it for them to learn reading, writing and arithmetic, as many homestead jobs and others didn't find it necessary, or trained on the job. It was mainly those aspiring to be architects, doctors, lawyers etc. that often went to university/prep or boarding schools after or instead of basic schooling.
This story was about a young boy named Jamie. He came to Mr. Cartwright's family with his father and Elizabeth but his father left him and went to San Francisco for some days.He learnt good manners and became humble and obedient. His father thanks Ben Cartwright for this and they all went to home.Storyline is superb. Amazing show.Bonanza is my favourite program.
@@ch-qw9co Exactly, and back in those days men could beat the crap out of their wives and girlfriends also. But no one would say those are the good old days when men put women in their places. Although that brat could use a strap on his ass.
I was raised by a step-dad who hated me. I would have loved to have a father. I would have loved it even more if I had a father like Ben Cartwright. Thank you,Loren Greene
poor example of parenting, Jamie's father accepts irrespect, insolence and bad behaviour. Ben did a good job, teaching both father and son how to change. Good one, Ben Cartwright.
Some parents don't have enough good sense to stop bad behaviour and then they loose controle on the kids. It's terrible. Sometimes people do accept some advices, and when they do, it's better.
+Linda Shipman I agree Linda. and @Deetsy Von Meeder - Jamie was not 'college educated'...if you remember he was tossed out of school for his behavioral problems.. Adam, who was 'college educated', had disagreements with his father but had he been insolent to his father would have gotten back handed real quick. Little Joe, with his quick temper was told by Ben, 'not to raise his voice' to him and I am sure that his brothers, would have taken him in hand, and did, in several episodes.
The show features the (very well portrayed) arc of the eponymous wayward character. What I found interesting was how the father's absence (literally and figuratively) really formed the backbone of the story. It's unusual for a show made at that time to portray a parent as less than ideal.
In 90% percent of this episode, Ben was wise and understanding. But at the end, he says that Jamie's father had tried to meet him half-way. I don't see that. Matthew just springs the news and expects Jamie to accept it. Plus, I thought it weird that this young woman is his "ward" for many years and now he's going to marry her. She had been like a sister to Jamie and now she's going to be his stepmother.
❤ thank you, finally im glad im not the only one who saw that Jamies father dumped him on ben instead of raising him himself or trying, like hes not bens responsibility And jamies dad is super creepy for going after someone so young, it was very weird that he and his ward just went to cali for a couple of months and have already set a date for the wedding when they get back, super weird If the woman wasn't so young and they had been gone for 1 month instead of 2 , i wouldn't be so mad, jamie was hurt as he should, but he came more off as disgusted as was i watching this
@yourmom_ are you particularly a stubborn person? I asked this because nowadays a lot of kids are extremely stubborn I mean really stubborn and I honestly think it's because they haven't been taught humility or empathy or Mercy for that matter You're very fortunate to have grown up and to become the person that you are and the way I grew up yeah I wouldn't recommend kidding or beating I can't tell you this a spanking does work if it's done right for kids that are particularly stubborn For example my little sister I never had to spank once she was 13 years younger than me a chair in the corner when she was four of her holding the cat's till seem to work just fine I didn't shout at her I just explained her why she shouldn't do that and I gave her a chance and she did it again and she knew that she had to sit in the corner in her chair for pulling the Kitty's tail But my point is some kids aren't like that it's not easy for them to realize that what they did is really wrong and they need to be taught Banking's only work if a kid isn't angry about something. And again they shouldn't be giving out very often this is only done for very serious things Now Jamie he's a pretty stubborn piece of work I think for him he needed that that was just how he worked I get what you're saying and is an abusive I ever yet I totally understand that but at the same time I've been a teacher for almost 20 years and I got to say living in Taiwan some kids could really use a spanking Unfortunately many children are coddled in Asia because they're taught to not really be independent and self-reliant There isn't a healthy balance of that and needing family at the same time As far as America I would say we're a pretty screwed up country oh I'm sorry you might not be from America but my point is once we stripped Christianity from the society in the early sixties it really screwed up We basically took our foundation and threw it out the damn window. Sure you can see all the weird things have been happening lately particularly within the last 5 years Man I'm 42 years old and I never thought I'd have to see most of what I've seen in The last 5 years
@yourmom_ what I mean is you should look into other cultures about how Christianity has done The reason I asked my question is because my Japanese friend is married to a Taiwanese man but I'm an American living in Taiwan He grew up in a Christian family but her husband unfortunately grew up in a very very dysfunctional family and she's pretty much a single mom You have one kid who works with her and one kid who's just really stubborn. She's the oldest and she's a girl I actually thought it would be easier for her because she had a girl and she's the oldest typically curls tend to be more helpful Actually it's the other way around. Husband is too extreme with his discipline and my friend she really has tried to do a good job and training and bringing up her kids you know from what she remembers from her parents who are Christian But I don't know if it's she goes to school and she behaves well and then just takes her frustration out on her mom because she's angry I'm trying to find an answer to help my friend who's been struggling for 10 years as I live in Taiwan I serve here in Taiwan is a self-supported missionary. I guess I just worry about her a little bit
Both Michael's are left-handed. I agree, he would have been a great addition to the Pondersa, maybe to eturn if, say, if father and step-mother were in an 'accident'.
Yup, he SURE did. LOL, downstairs as Little Joe happens to overhear this-his (second) cousin’s fruitlessly begging his Uncle Ben to stop, as Hoss happens to come home just then and LJ is like,”Come over here; you GOTTA hear this!” “Nothing but PURE MUSIC to our ears!” the two brothers are like as they hear their cousin getting what’s been coming to him over the past few days. Yes, since Ben and Jamie’s dad Matt are (first) cousins, that would make Jamie Hoss and Little Joe’s second cousin, and Ben more or less Jamie’s uncle.
Ben can understand how Jamie feels about his father remarrying because he went through that with Adam and Hoss when he remarried after losing their mothers.
Ah, Ben! Why couldn't all fathers bee like him. And I APPROVE of corporal punishment in cases like this, and modern psychology be damned. Young Michael Burns, here at 16, always turns out a great performance during his active acting years. He went on to distinguish himself in the world of higher academics.
I don't believe it!What a start to the new year.Last night I found a Bonanza episode I cannot get hold of,with my fav 🌟 guesting.Jan Michael Vincent.Then two interviews with Peter Tork & now a Bonanza episode with Mikey Burns from Journey to Shiloh.If this keeps up 2022 will be a brilliant year!LOL & Happy New Year to all.
I enjoyed the movie. It seems that learning family relationship was something left to media/ Hollywood. It seems things haven't change much. I remember receiving my tannins; had nothing to do with tv.
Yeah, Jamie did hurt the calf and when he roped the calf, he somehow made the calf broke his leg. That's the reason why Joe said he had to put a splint on the calf leg.
@@janettebraam9396 I see what you mean. But that was comedy (supposedly), a pathetic rip-off of "The Taming of the Shrew", put on for laughs and to give macho men a hard-on. The spanking he gave wasn't particularly hard or painful. This is more serious. idk know whether Jamie was beaten (with a belt) or spanked (with the hand), but would Adam have been any more harsh with Jamie than Ben was? Personally, I don't know.
Correction..paddling a youth's backside to gain compliance to instruction, teaching, training is not child abuse but is a legal classification of law called corporal punishment👍 Agreed it is lacking nowadays obviously.
