When I was coaching I always made it a task of one of the assistant coaches to check the book with the scorekeeper and sign off on it prior to tip-off. This video is a cautionary tale to take the rules of the game seriously and be respectful to the officials when a discrepancy is found.
Please correct the title of this video. The scorekeeper did not make the error, the Boyle County head coach did. Before each game, the head referee has a meeting with the coaches and one of the key pieces of instruction is "check the book to make sure all of your players are listed." Once the head referee checks the book and signs off, then any player not listed is the head coach's responsibility. The Boyle County head coach was derelict in his duties.
You are correct, but if the Boyle coach gave his roster correctly to the scorekeeper and the scorekeeper screwed up, the officials should've used a little thing called common sense and ignored it.
@@dantru1990 NO. The Coach is supposed to check the Official Book or he can designate his Book Keeper to do so. It is in Black and White in the Rules Book. The Ref's job is to enforce the Black and White rules. He CANNOT ignore it. The Coach is learning a difficult lesson about not knowing and following the rules. The Ref is using Common Sense by hearing the coach out and by not T'ing him up for trying to influence the call. How many rules does the Ref have to not enforce in the name of "common sense"... should he not enforce rules on Uniforms, Language, Coaches Boxes, Bench Decorum? What is Common Sense... not doing your job... is that Common sense? Check the Book Coach if it has mistakes it is on YOU. CHECK THE BOOK. The rules cannot be more clear. This is VARSITY Basketball not PeeWees in the Church League.
@@brucemercer7753 Um, as I said, it is the correct call. It is the coach's responsibility to check the official scorebook. However, if a visiting team turns in a correct scorebook and the home scorekeeper screws it up, you fix it and move on with life. Or, if you have to do it your way, give the technical because it is what the BLACK AND WHITE rule book says. Just let the coach and scorekeeper meet outside the gym for a few minutes. The scorekeeper won't f#ck it up again, at least not with that coach's team. I guess you forgot about schools having a responsibility in their association's by-laws to hire experienced and competent score and time keepers.
@@jordanissport Um, no I am correct...I said the technical was the right call. But although I agree that the technical is the "correct" call, if the visiting team turns in a correct scorebook and the home scorekeeper screws it up when entering it into the official book, life is a lot easier on everyone to fix it and move on. If the home team coach has a problem with that then he should also have a problem with an incompetent scorekeeper being hired by his AD.
Many officials will take the book with them to the pre game conference with the coaches and ask them to review. If they do so and say it looks good, no matter who made the error, it will always fall back on the coach, as it should.
looks like the T is for a player not listed in the official book. Pre game is to ensure that all players are listed and starters are identified. The head coach should have checked.
The team is already going to get an administrative tech. If you're going to light the coach up, you better make sure it's super big and obvious. Him bitching about someone fucking the book up isn't a T imo.
You aren't technically wrong. But I am guessing that the Ref had to call over the Coach to help figure out how to correct the Book. And to review the book to make sure there were no more mistakes. A team can only receive 1 Technical Foul for errors in the book per game. Even if the book has multiple errors only the 1st Error counts for the Tech. So to avoid more delay in the game the Coach will get a chance to fix anything else that might be wrong.
That’s bs. Him slapping the table and refusing to back off is easily grounds for another T. We can be approachable and all, but that was disrespectful and sets up other officials who’ll have this coach with him thinking this is okay.
First of all, put that one coach back in the box, “T” him up, do something…but stop letting him run the show. Then, fix what you need to fix in the book.
Not sure who’s at fault for this but this coach’s conduct with the official and table personnel would have earned him a T from me. After shutting him up, THEN we can figure out how to make the book right.
I was once involved in a high-school game where something similar happened. The home coach had entered the players' names & numbers in the book. One player's number was entered incorrectly. Penalty: technical foul on the player.
It’s not a Technical foul on player if his number wrong, it’s a administration Technical on the Coach, it could be two or three errors in book the coach only get one Technical. It’s two shot and Team B get the ball at the division line for a throw in.
@@4realjacob637 got a question, if a player isn't entered in the book, is he disqualified for that game? I know that used to be the rule, my high school coach made that error.
@@1Outis1 No, that is one of the factors that falls under the administative technical foul. Any and all roster errors by the offending team are corrected in the score book (including any missing players), the administrative technical foul is assessed/penalized, and play continues on per the corrected score book.
By rule in high school basketball that’s an Administrative Technical Foul for an error in the official game book that both coaches presented before the game started.
Yes & No... If the coach signs/initials the official score book prior to the game then, yes, any roster error(s) would involve an administrative technical foul. However, if the coach submits a correct roster/lineup in a timely manner (10 minutes prior to tip-off), is never asked to sign/initial the official book, and then a roster/lineup error is later discovered due to a transfer error by the official scorekeeper, there is no administrative technical foul assessed. The scorebook is merely corrected to match the original roster/lineup submitted and the game continues on. Note: All too often, the referee simply neglects to get the book signed/initialed by the two coaches prior to the start of the game, leading to unfortunate situations like this one. Granted they are rare, but highly avoidable if everyone simply does their job.
I did this once. Player missed a game so wasn't in the book and I copied the lineup from that game to our next game and left the player off. When that player went into the game I was given a T. I signed off on the book during pregame. I usually count players when I do the signoff (and usually the ref does too) but I didn't that game for some reason and neither did the ref. It was my fault. Luckily it was at the beginning and didn't play a big factor
I have a feeling he got a tech for arguing and not for any issue. If not he should have gotten 2. When players are trying to get their coach’s to calm down you know there’s a problem
Anyone see a T actually being assessed? Considering the scorekeeper is an actual official, I'm unclear on how his mistake could result in anyone getting a technical.
The scorekeeper is not an actual official. The home teams scorekeeper has to wear that shirt to show they are the official scorekeeper. Their book is the only one that matters when the actual officials check the books.
@@MTBMamba Well... yes and no. The Scorekeeper and Clock Operator are Game Officials with the same elevated status as a Referee. But they only rules they need to know apply to Running the Clock and Keeping Score. So they are Officials, the Table Officials. But the are not Referees. At least not in that game where they are working the Table. They might be Referees but they are not Refs on this game. The rest you have totally correct.
The rules require that both teams provide notice to the table of their roster's names, numbers, and designated starters. It does NOT require that you write those down in the book for the benefit of the scorer. I print off a word file, have the coach circle his five starters before the game, and give that file to the table. Usually they want me to write it in the book also, but I have satisfied the rulebooks burden with that sheet of paper and if there's any disagreement after the fact, I have a paper trail I did it right.
The Referee didn’t ask the scorekeepers did he write the visitor team names in officials scorebook. If he did and he miss a player name it’s not Technical on the visiting team Coach, That is a score keeper error. 🏀
That would be correct, provided that the coach had not been asked to sign/initial the book prior to the start of the game. If signed-off, the assessed technical foul is the correct ruling.
At least 15 minutes before every game, each coach should submit to the official scorekeeper a full team printed roster listing every player by full first and last name, and correct number. Do not allow any players to wear different numbered home and away jerseys. If you have any such mismatched jerseys, throw them out. Any players not available to play in the game should be clearly X'ed out.
If a coach fails to submit a player, yes, it is a technical by rule. But clearly, the player WAS listed in the lineup that was submitted and the home scorer failed to copy it over properly. This should not result in a technical. The officials should have looked at what the visitors submitted and allowed the player to be added without penalty.
There is no appeals process for this. Rules state very clearly... Head Coach MUST verify the book is correct. MUST VERIFY. You have to check the book. If that coach is who I think he is... his Son is a former D1 Head Coach at Power 5 schools (now an Assistant at a Power 5 school) and he has been a HS coach since his son played back in the 90's. No excuse not to know better.
It's not a technical on the coach, it's an administrative technical. It's a plain, black and white call. If the assistant is that incompetent at his job, then you should find a new assistant.
@@jenniferoneill4315 You're saying this doesn't go on the Coach at all? I think it does. It is not a DIRECT Technical Foul for the Coach... but it does apply to the Head Coach INDIRECTLY. But you are absolutely right when saying it is a Black and White call. That this when discovered MUST result in a technical Foul against the offending team. For those that do not know. A coach gets ejected for 2 DIRECT Technical Fouls or any combination of 3 INDIRECT and DIRECT Technical Fouls. And it is obvious which are which. If the Coach is running his mouth or acting like a fool... it is a DIRECT Technical. Anything else is INDIRECT. Examples... anything that is a correction in he Book, anything done by Bench Personnel, any Delay of Game issues (which require 1 warning before a Tech is issued).
@@brucemercer7753 an administrative technical foul is neither a direct nor an indirect tech on the head coach, and they do not lose their coaches' box. It was actually on our test this year in Kentucky.
This can be fixed eaisley coach had him in his book. The score keeper and coach should both went over the scorebook. Before the game no tech should be. Allowed these are kids playing a game. The official at the table screwed up to so not all coaches fauly
