Brand new German DD Z-31 - World of Warships

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Z-31 is the new tier 7 alternative tech tree German DD.
These DDs are supposed to have really good guns and some say they're even supposed to take on cruisers.
Main features:
- High HP
- Better then usual mid section armor
- High HP pen
- Better AP
- bad concealment
- slow firing guns
- slow turning turrets
- slow rld torps
- super slow torps
- garbo AA
- too few guns
- no gimmicks
All in all, you have way too many penalties for very few good features.
HOWEVER that doesn't mean we can't make them work.
Here's the 1st 2 games I played in this ship.
Yes I'm having lunch during the 2nd match because I was starving.
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18 апр 2021

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@Vil3mos 3 года назад

Guys.....this is written on wiki.wargaming: Pros: Torpedos have reasonable speed. I can't even...

@Ujinikabolokov 3 года назад

I saw this video, and immediately thought "time for some comedy". The torps are hilarious, you can almost keep up with them. Have you seen the stats for the guns? Flamu did a video on the ship, hilarious.

@yah5o 3 года назад

Reasonable.... this word reminds me of Top Gear's "Reasonably priced car". Which generally was shite. so...yeah...

@Loaderiser 3 года назад

The wiki also states that: "Cons: Cannot torpedo undetected without concealment skill." While it's perfectly possible that WG's just grossly exaggerating when it comes to the torp speed, the info might also be from an early draft of what the ship could've ended up like, and it's just not up to date yet. Then again, last I looked, the in-game tech tree description of the new US BB-line still claimed that they have improved Repair Party, so what do I know. Neither competency or consistency really aren't on the list of things that I've come to expect from WG at this point.

@luwkseam 3 года назад

Yeah, not exceeding 30km/h in residential area. Finally some respect for cyclists and pedestrians.👍

@carl5381 3 года назад

@@Loaderiser did you expect anything less from a Russian puppet state?

@Antifaschismus_ist_Pflicht 3 года назад

WG: Designed to fight light cruiser Shoots the broadside light cruiser: overpens...... Nice meme

@ME262MKI 3 года назад

Typical german shells, overpen, shatter or bounce

@Omnomface 3 года назад

"Designed to fight light cruisers" yet the entire line is consistently outgunned by them in every way. Holy shit i laughed so hard i had to wipe tears.

@Ushio01 3 года назад

reload is so slow you will get one salvo then die at tier 8-10 against light cruiser machine guns.

@undertakernumberone1 3 года назад

@@Omnomface "Designed to fight light cruisers". Aka "Designed to fight their COUNTERS"

@papatony6343 3 года назад

Ladies and gentleman WG presents... the German tugboat

@misterputscalls5902 3 года назад

Actually, oars might be an upgrade.

@twkeane 3 года назад

Don't insult tugboats like that, they have a purpose EDIT: This should be read as tugboats are useful and comparing the new german dd's to them is an insult to the tugboats. Don't know what was so hard to follow about that...

@Dcarp7 3 года назад

Ja. A tugboat with guns and torps.

@Ralph-yn3gr 3 года назад

No they ain't. No one messes with tugboats. They push around battleships, aircraft carriers, and any other ship that gets in their way. Tugboats are the bullies of the sea. If they don't like where you are, they'll push you to a place they're more content with.

@Dcarp7 3 года назад

@@Ralph-yn3gr Best comment ever.

@indy8006 3 года назад

kansas outrunning torps man...i can't even xd

@Con5tantine 3 года назад

WG: "These DD's are cruiser hunters." Us: "They don't even do that right!" WG: "Doesn't matter. Thats what they're there for. Onto the next ship pre-release!" Us: "WTF?!" The C in Wargaming stands for competence.

@divide12903 3 года назад

wAiT wHeRe Is ThE c!!!111!! - some genius in the commentsection, probably

@MiNameisJager 3 года назад

@@divide12903 oh right ok ok. Here I am But where is the C in Wargaming?

@sameerkharade7750 3 года назад

"How do I play this thing?" You don't.

@sirtogii5216 3 года назад

Yeah the dpm and lack of anything useful on it means this is definitely a free port slot

@levendernovacsek6866 3 года назад

You play Z39 instead

@chrisb9143 3 года назад

WG : "You asked for a ship that is not OP. There it is. Happy now ?"

@juankovacs6033 3 года назад

And as usual, it's a german ship.

@chrisb9143 3 года назад

@@juankovacs6033 of course. and also, take a look at the new USN BB Constellation for more balance

@juankovacs6033 3 года назад

@@chrisb9143 luckily I don't play this game anymore my dude. It's too much bullsh*t around to have fun anymore.

@TrangleC 3 года назад

Maybe they are doing the same thing now they have been doing in WoT for years. Every time people bitch about power creep and OP Premiums, they ask: "You want balans? OK, we give you balans." and churn out a ridiculously weak German tech tree or Premium tank and when people complain about that being too weak, they do the: "What, you want OP stuff? Alright, here you go!" and bring out more OP Russian stuff and that cycle repeats over and over.

@MKRocker2012 3 года назад

@@TrangleC I mean let's be real, Victor does so much cocaine that he probably thinks he talks to God who tells him to do these things.

@setyeva0 3 года назад

Monty Python level torps! Anybody remember the running scene in the Holy Grail? They keep going but never really get anywhere 😂

@Soggaroth 3 года назад

In the next update they should add german Barges with 4x 8.8 cm Flak's.

@MartenTitan 3 года назад

Interesting Idea. Maybe this would be the next axis DD project, where the GER DD's would get low calibre guns ( 88-105 mm) but have dakka guns like the IJN Harugumo DD line. Much better than the THICC GERMAN DD GUNBOATS which are useless as Hitler's hopes for the Maus tank.

@MoA-Reload... 3 года назад

Ahh, the good Ole Flak Barge fae War Thunder 😂 All the pew pew would make for a nice fireworks display for sure 😉

@kesfitzgerald1084 3 года назад

Proof that some countries still hold a grudge...

@dany1441 3 года назад

You were midtier. You are Flambass, you can make any ship look okay. This ship is a shitshow.

@darthimperius2865 3 года назад

every time you shoot or launch torps you need to smash your keyboard and yell nein nien nein nein for extra damage

@Lintary 3 года назад

classic example of how WG balances their game, they do not nerf an insanely OP ship, they release some UP ships and then claim over the whole game things are balanced.

@faulkner987 3 года назад

Yeah the big difference between "mean" and "median" value. You'd think the spreadsheet would show that though...lol

@Lintary 3 года назад

@@faulkner987 I highly doubt that WG is capable of making a proper spreadsheet and I doubt even more that they would be able to properly read one even if it was made for them.

@faulkner987 3 года назад

@@Lintary wEllL there is tHaT :D

@Dcarp7 3 года назад

I am definitely curious to see this almighty spreadsheet that they keep referring to.

@rpgspyware9560 3 года назад

The AP damage is good compared to Tier 5 Emerald.

@azurblueknights 3 года назад

Yup. Compared to a RN cruiser two tiers lower. Compared to Fiji? Lmfao. Yes, I'm aware Fiji's max AP damage is only 3100 compared to Z-31's 3700. Fiji also has fucking 12 rifles and can spam shells like they're on sale for the holidays. The real kicker is that Fiji's torpedoes are better in every way except range. Z-31 has an entire 1.98km of extra range on its fish. Almost the entire line is absolute dog shit. About the only halfway decent one is Maass.

@sharath2273 3 года назад

@@azurblueknights The tier 9 and 10, while not good, are at least not absolute trash. The Z-31 though? Tier 1 HE DPM, tier 3 torp DPM, tier 5 AP DPM to make a "cruiser hunting" T7 DD.

@chrisf84 3 года назад

As a fan of the way Flam says "smoke" and "sugar" this episode was a true delight for me :P

@Meknassih 3 года назад

So great to see videos longer than 1 battle !

@xmlthegreat 3 года назад

Feels like the CV had Flambass stream on... He was just constantly going for him

@philipeanthonybattung3860 3 года назад

A glorified fishing boat.

@faulkner987 3 года назад

Give them the benefit of the doubt - it's at least an armed merchant convoy ship, maybe even coast guard.

@levendernovacsek6866 3 года назад

@@ObsydianShade BBBRRRRUUUUUHHHHHHH

@faulkner987 3 года назад

@@ObsydianShade True. Man there are some really OP T1 ships right??

@broyderpole7497 3 года назад

reminds me of T22 being called a tugboat but that ship has really good torpedoes and can actually handle itself alright in a gunfight. I think wg went "you call that thing a tugboat? hold my beer..." and made this

@stevenlang90 3 года назад

Your positioning in the second game was brilliant!

@That-No-Moon 3 года назад

If wargames really wanted this ship to work out, it needs a heal. Even that would barely push it into usable.

@kymmoulds 3 года назад

Thanks for the review. I just got one of these from German Tokens or something and I really don't like it either and would prefer playing other DD's but I will persevere and see if I can get anywhere with it. Oh, a BIG thumbs up. cheers.

@kraxus03 3 года назад

"Problems comrades?? Ze. Germans again ??" 😂😂

@anirudhnair558 3 года назад

Title: destroyer Z-31 Thumbnail: battleship Me: confuze

@johanseinen8245 3 года назад

If you're looking for a new Nickname I would suggest: "Ministry of Silly Boats"

@tankfighter7059 3 года назад

Amazing video keep up the good work

@theboving5516 3 года назад

HI Question: Was that the pilot in parachute at 1:27 ?

@Vil3mos 3 года назад

Yep, this was added few patches ago with graphics update.

@OberstStein 3 года назад

Kansas, dodging by not moving.

@michealstout4619 3 года назад

It does get a little bit better at T8, and the F. Schultz at T9 performs really well, especially the AP. The problems though are always going to be there with this line. You can't contest caps, and you can't fight other DD's, so you don't really perform DD functions, especially early in a match. That means, especially for random games, your team will always be down 1 DD vs the enemy team effectively. Being in a division can help offset those issues, but solo play you're just putting more of a burden on your allied DD's to perform to the best of their ability.

@KPen3750 3 года назад

Seems the carrier got infected with "New-Ship-Kill" syndrome

@TheGrandexeno 3 года назад

He was just doing what a good CV does for its team:kill Dds first.

@anthonymichel4047 3 года назад

This DD seems in other hand unnormally accurate vertically (horizontal accuracy is OK), like most of time, it will score all shells which is good. Also on BB, its a good farming damage, the tier IX manage to consistly do 5-8k on my JB broadside...

@TheGrandexeno 3 года назад

Memes apart, the Kaga was not having "a hard on", it was following protocol. When I play CV my first directive is to spot and kill Dds. After them is to reinforce flanks /finish dangerous ships

@johnvga6239 3 года назад

8:52 that is exciting damage ! hitting him with the dollar store AP shells

@adrianmagnus3355 3 года назад

I felt that about the planes. I took out 7 planes from a Hak with one flak bubble in my DM

@L4uze 2 года назад

I love your streams and videos :D

@johnrossman6679 3 года назад

I played the Z-31 yesterday. First game, I did pretty ok. Picked off DD's with the AP. The torpedoes have 1.2 km detection. I managed to land more torpedoes than I do with faster ones. I figure that combined with the low detection range and slowness of the torpedoes, they have more engagement time in the area of the enemy ships. People expect to have the torps pass them by once detected and evaded but these take longer to bypass enemy ships. Maybe some turn into them expecting them to be gone past them like other torpedoes. Just a theory of mine.

@Hastur_the_King_in_Yellow 3 года назад

10:15 *Muffled Torpedobeats play from the Kansas' deck*

@Loaderiser 3 года назад

Z-31 seems to be in the same boat as Shiratsuyu (the ship preceding Akizuki) when it comes to representing the rest of the line. Being stealthier AND having better torp range than its original tech tree counterpart, while also having very lacklustre gunpower is just a bit of a weird way to kick off the new gun-focused DD line. At least the rest of the characteristics are somewhat in line with how the rest of the line seems to be shaping up. For better or for worse.

@Omnomface 3 года назад

Except this thing doesn't even have that going for it. It's torps are marginally better and its guns, whilst a larger caliber, have nearly HALF the fire rate than the previous tier. It has less guns than other nation counterparts, which fire slower than said counterparts. Seriously, most of its intended targets will eat these things as snacks, and even equal-tiered torpedo boats can outbrawl it.

@TheAverageDutchman 3 года назад

Shira was exactly the boat I was thinking off too while watching. Never thought I'd see a more aggravating DD in the game (God I hated grinding that tub), but WG has pulled it off

@tormodhamnebukt487 3 года назад

The Shira has nearly 50% better HE dpm. MUCH better torpedoes, access to speed boost. May equip torpedo reload for memes.... Shira isnt the best, but god damn this is so much worse.

@Crazyfixer 3 года назад

Z-31 is a meme ship

@mightychicken7774 3 года назад

And here I thought the Skåne was bad.........

@IceQueenNL 3 года назад

@@mightychicken7774 When I thought the Yudachi was bad, they later add this junk

@rangermoreno959 3 года назад

Hello, could you tell me how you have the REFLEXES, ADDITIONAL REFLEXES AND THE SEA configured in the game thanks

@TallulahSoie 3 года назад

I always liked German DDs when I played. This ship hurts my soul.

@Dcarp7 3 года назад

Sad Ironblood Noises*

@avrahams1 3 года назад

First round was a shining example of CVs being broken - the guy was a potato, but he could dominate a unicum cuz he was playing the right class. Any other ship - enemy cruisers, enemy DDs, you can outplay by smart positioning, except for the guy eating glue in the CV at the edge of the map, ffs....

@c_o_n_t_e_n_t3420 3 года назад

@33:45 oh, solo warrior? @36:30 I think I knew this wasnt that kind of video. but I forgot.

@simmonsjoe 3 года назад

The Vesby cut down south because he realized the only chance you had of winning was capping. He didn't expect you to go back to your own cap guaranteeing a loss. If you had tried to cap you would of had a chance.

@DrSid42 3 года назад

Flambass: I haven't seen ship with this few icons since beta. Literally posted Thunderer video yesterday.

@stefanocrosazzo3262 3 года назад

But Thunderer has 3 icons (DCP, RP, DefAA), this thing gets only DCP and smoke

@DrSid42 3 года назад

@@stefanocrosazzo3262 But Thunderer doesn't have torps, so it also has 5 icons. And lots of tree BBs only have 2 amo types, damacon and heal, so 4 in total.

@pirycpython3575 3 года назад

can i ask is the tirpitz good to get

@blackvo1d 3 года назад

Didn't Flamu say this thing has tier 1 gun DPM and tier 3 torps?

@NCISCherno 3 года назад

Hunt down and destroy those light cruisers like WG intended. Its almost like they have been designing bad T7-8 tech tree ships to encourage free XP to the good ones at the end of the line. And I use "good ones" loosely with this line.

@Korhanne 3 года назад

it's the most overpowered ship since the GK!

@Klongree83 3 года назад

No Hydro? 😬 hopefully manage to unlock it, but not sure ima gona enjoy it. MAAS has been super fun for me... was hoping for more of the same.

@ryankayton7638 3 года назад

“Haven’t seen a ship with this few icons since beta” Would’ve been even funnier if they hadn’t given it smoke like the originally planned

@Derin7890 3 года назад

what

@Kirkmaximus 3 года назад

During one of Flambass streams, I suggested that he always use his torps if he is about to die in a DD. He scolded me. It is better to go down only shooting your guns. 14:55 okay whatever you say Flambino.

@mazda_rt24-p 3 года назад

Wow a p bagration on your team I haven't see one of them in a long time

@DrICHundrannere 3 года назад

You know you've got a nice torpedoboat when even low tier american battleships have a chance of outrunning them

@MoA-Reload... 3 года назад

Well at least it isn't another high rof HE spammer so that's something at least 😂 Edit: I must be in a super positive mood today because I do have a good thing to say about WG on this wee ship. It does seem very niche BUT credit to the devs, they found a little playstyle gap not covered by DD's and plopped this little thing right in there and they didn't go all hard core gimmick with consumables to do it so wp to them. More of that line of thinking plz 😉 Having said that this thing looks like quite a high skill cap and very situational. It looks like it needs to be on the defensive and needs time to do it's thing. Both these games were down to Flambass positioning and both were mostly on the defensive as well as games that ran their full time. I really think he would have struggled to get anything done if his team had been the ones on the offensive and forget it if it had been a more typical 10-15min round capped out on points. In the current state of the game it looks like a little ball of frustration in a can imo 😜

@gabrielgasiorowski7827 3 года назад

Yes he did, saw his video yesterday..

@juankovacs6033 3 года назад

The bullying started here 25:45 is just excellent.

@imadethistopostponi 3 года назад

As a Haida player this ship makes me very happy more food

@jxmai7687 3 года назад

10:16 best part of the game play. lol

@TMar1961 3 года назад

Shooting at cruisers is what this DD is about. It's a bad DD for sure, but it's guns cits broadside cruisers fairly easy.

@agesgaming2413 3 года назад

nice

@pendragooon 3 года назад

WG this the almost impossible: A german DD that makes T-22 look very competitive.

@NikolaPj 3 года назад

Z-31 is the Dark Souls of World of Warships.

@migeary 3 года назад

Usual team battle chat to the cv:dude ffs go after the enemy dds!!! Enemy dd player :what's the matter with this cv? Does he have a hard on for me? Can't please anyone... Lol

@GrasshopperKelly 3 года назад

They need hydro again. I also don't know why they nerfed her reload from 7.5 seconds. I don't mind the torpedoes either. They were fun to test with the hydro. You had to pick when you crept up on enemy DD's. When they finally popped their smoke, and they tended to see you firing with the 150mm's anyway. They never felt powerful, just fun. Hydro would honestly just "fix" them. Even if it's crap hydro :/ Actually.... I'd rather the option to take Hydro/smoke, than have no hydro at all in them :/

@Je-yj6bc 3 года назад

*video start* My mind: "yep, cocaine. Definitely cocaine."

@avgjoegaming8271 3 года назад

Fitting that the only good German ships are cvs As you say they cant do shit they damage you twice

@alfredneumann4332 2 года назад

19:07 me, whenever i play Yorck

@Seppe1106 3 года назад

Been watiting for that... Comment first - now I'm going to enjoy the shitshow :D

@Micharus 3 года назад

Nothing wrong with this, there are T7 DD with worse stats. Looks like the AA is pretty good and there is a thing I do with DD and CRS that have long reloads. I don't fire all of the guns at once, I fire them one at a time and then hold the button. You fire more often and with less time between shots. Sure your dmg won't go up, but it's better than a 7 sec wait between alpha strikes. lol

@doktorhund6926 3 года назад

why does this thing not get hydro ?

@Ensign_Cthulhu 3 года назад

If you have a reputation as a dangerous opponent (and let's face it, you do), people are naturally going to be particularly eager to get you off the map.

@jean-philippemorin1176 3 года назад

You can citadel cruisers in this thing, the ap is workable, but you need dumb cruisers to run sideway to you, or battleships that runs into your torps instead of dodging them, to do well. I have erased cruisers in 3 salvos with good conditions. Its not great for hunting dd. Ap overpen and he is straight bad.

@Glider5858 3 года назад

Just admit it’s a bad ship. T4 dds are better than this.

@joshualopes9754 3 года назад

So is there any difference between this and Z39 or nah?

@smokincolt6425 3 года назад

Z39 is a much better ship tier for tier, and it gets an extra upgrade slot that you would only get at tier 8 and above.

@fam.hulsebosch7735 3 года назад

Z39 Has good hp pool...decent guns...engine boost, smoke and 5km hydro...an concealment of 6.1...so a bit better only 8.5 km torps but much faster in speed an reload

@DarkestVampire92 3 года назад

Low tier british cruisers have less icons. AP, Damage control and depending on tier, Torps.

@Martel_Clips 3 года назад

how does it compare to ijn torp DDs?

@lost4356 3 года назад

er whats to compare for ijn DD? they have diffrent playstyle

@Alex-hy9cw 3 года назад

ijn has more speed, better concealment, superior damage, more torpedoes at higher tier, good HE/minute, ...

@Adplosive 3 года назад

IJN torp DD's are basically better at everything except maybe max health and depending on the ship maybe AP dmg, they will basically always win a gun fight against the Z-31

@ON-O 3 года назад

WG has MvRichthofen as an Alibi-boat, as an excuse to still hold a grudge after WW2 by making anything German completely trash in the game

@lordbrain8867 3 года назад

Hindenburg is still good, just a bit powercrept but the same can be said for half the ships in the game.

@bobbwc7011 3 года назад

@@lordbrain8867 It is all a game. Hindenburg, Richthofen, Mainz. The rest is brutal trash. And WG keeps feeding all them idiots because many many people get into the game for the German ships. So until German sales drop off, they will not change their profitable business model. The few good German ships are nothing but an excuse when they can obviously include totally perversely OP ships at the same time. Vamp 2, Dutch cruisers very strong, Smaland, literally almost every Soviet ship, Ohio, Georgia etc. Germany is just a lost, trash nation in this game and it is nothing but the good real world reputation of the German ships drawing so many players to them.

@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 3 года назад

Z31 actually has some really good AA. I'm 80% sure those guns are DP

@goatranchgaming2922 3 года назад

Looks like that has short range flak which is how you are shooting down the planes

@micheld7220 3 года назад

Ap is good on this ship and have concealment 6.3 km if you know how to play it. The ship is not really that bad and can be a pain in the ass for light cruisers and broadside bbs.

@Carbapenem1917 3 года назад

hmmmmm is this ship like a convoy raider? lol

@Ibrahimarm 3 года назад

You forgot that French BBs get 1 fewer since they don't get torps lol

@jerlstif 3 года назад

Seem like he’s playing like a teir four DD

@axelhopfinger533 3 года назад

WG showing us the opposite side of the BALANS spectrum. Nice job.

@miljangrehovic8936 3 года назад

old man sindrome!

@oddy1637 3 года назад

It feels like a tier 6.

@lubossoltes321 3 года назад

I was expecting much much more from the AP. Like that Dallas in the 2nd game should have eaten a lot of citadels, not just one ... I can live with the torps etc. But the guns being that bad, the whole line is DoA ... looks like the repeat of the original German DD lineup that was nerfed before release and never recovered.

@kimborch8547 3 года назад

The conq only has 4. HE, AP, DC and heal :-)

@seeskabel4561 3 года назад

Well t1s only have HE and DCP

@sleepygryph 3 года назад

Doesn't Kaga have the worst HP for it's planes? Wasn't it's gimmick that it regens them so fast you can ignore the loses?

@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 3 года назад

No? Its regen is miserably slow, and every plane you lose really hurts

@santiagoperez2094 2 года назад

Who cares, its still unbalanced one sided farm

@Leandro_F_R 2 года назад

I guess Flambass forgot how it is in very lower tiers. LOL

@fjanson2468 3 года назад

might be an ok tier 3 or4

@MuscovitesMustBurn 3 года назад

Где модернизации и перки?

@ainzooalgown7589 3 года назад

im quite sure a Kagero can outgun this

@fhemeiatha7814 3 года назад

you know british bb only have dmg con. and heal

@leeedmunds2539 3 года назад

Kinda cool to go back to the old days with no face.... my human brain auto preferences another human over getting lost in the game, +14 escapism. But nothing against seeing you my manatee!

@iraqiwalker1436 3 года назад

Torps that barely deal 13K dmg on their best day. HE DPM on the same tier as T1 destroyers, and AP DPM that is "good" compared to T4, and T5 destroyers. All while being T7.

@kevinhennessey3189 3 года назад

Pretty schizo releasing a dumpster fire like this while doing such a nice dockyard ship at the same time. Flambass scoring over 100k damage is nuts hats off to a player I will never be.