Breacher Squad Deep Dive (Horus Heresy) 

I'm really hoping you could do all the line troops choices.

best Horus Heresy 2.0 channel.

First off, LOVE these videos. Keep up the great work. We need people like you giving us the rundown for the new edition. Secondly, is like to shout out Imperial fists. Stone gauntlet will give them rerolls on those 5++ saves, and they will hit on a 2+ with the bolters. Granted you have to take Warders, which are a dash better with a reroll 4++ lol.

I'm planning on making a really shooty unit of these for zone mortalis. Ten man squad all with shrapnel bolters Praetor in the unit with the Tyrant of the Lyssatra warlord trait running Fury of Olympia rite of war. This gives a ten man squad forty shots in rapid fire range and the gets hot is nullified by the 0 ap of the shrapnel bolters plus whatever the praetor is rocking. This will tear through tacticals and other units in close range where a lot of zone mortalis engagements take place.

I love breachers in their use for the iron fire rite of War. Its super flavorful and taking a little less damage (due to heavy) from friendly fire is pretty nice. Keep up the great videos!

Good video. Although I was surprised Imperial Fists and the Stone Gauntlet RoW weren't mentioned

I feel like breachers will excel best in the environment they were made for, Zone Mortalis

Always knew that I would absolutely use Breachers with my TS! great vid!

Correct about the "rule of cool" - they look great. Possibly not a unit I'll be fielding. More of these deep dives please mate!

Always wanted to use them. Thanks for all the info. Might take a squad for my DA now.

Just starting to listen, so commenting now first. I loved Breachers in 1st ed, but I've fallen in love with them in 2nd ed HH. Lascutters got GOOD, and as an Iron Hand player I can swap out the sergeants' plasma pistol for a graviton pistol and their graviton guns for graviton shredders. These make them a very potent anti-vehicle/dreadnought unit already, so add in the fact they can take a Termite as a dedicated transport and still be a scoring unit on top of that, they seem amazing. Oh and volkite. That had already sold them to me before I spotted the good stuff.

I am a fan of Breachers. Volkite, lascutters, vexilla all worthy upgrades. I put them in a drill and drop them on the opponent's side to be dealt with. One thing to note, if you attach an Apothecary, they lose the benefits of Heavy.

Becoming my number 1 go to channel for HH content. And a fellow scouser at that, live to see the success fella

Great deep dive. In white scars you could take them in the Sagyar Mazan rite of war to get them feel no pain without having to sink points into an apothecary.

Great video, I agree they defo have their uses and are quite fluffy. A librarian bodyguard and objective taker is kinda cool

Awesome, keep the reviews coming. Really liked this style of deep dive on individual unit.

These are really helpful, I'm hoping you do Assault squads soon!

Brilliant!

really like your unit review, those rules are a lot to digest with a looot of options haha Correct me if i'm wrong, but so far I didn't see anything going your direction on that bit : when you talked about graviton gun, charging through terrain don't make the charge disordered, charging through difficult terrain makes you fight at initiative 1 ( very easiely negated by having krak grenade or grenade harness ) and -2 distance as you said if the difficult terrain was already there when declaring the charge. And through dangerous terrain just make you roll to maybe loose some wounds as usual for that kind of terrain. Except some special rules here and there, it's mostly from the hold the line reaction that you make the charge desordered for the attacker. But it's instead of overwatching anyway. Or if the attacker choose to charge multiple targets at the same time. I also want to point at that the space wolves rule has 2 component, run and charge is for all infantry NON heavy. So it doesn't apply to them. Instead they gain +1ws when making a charge. But since they don't have enough attacks ( boarding shield prevent them to gain +1 attack when charging ) or good close combat weapon, they fall a bit flat and don't gain much benefit or gain so little in an area they are not good at anyway

Good video, i would like to see more of these. I also enjoyed your heavy and tactical support videos.

Great format indeed. Cheers from Poland:)

If you're using them with Imperial Fists, you could use the Stone Gauntlet to grant them a rerollable invuln

Love your videos, keep up the good work! Now you have the rules I would love to see you go over the iron hands units again and how you would kit them out/utilise them.

Been wanting to run them with a heavy Word Bearers force maybe as my allied detachment. They seem all around very weak still, although less than last edition. Chargers seem to make them at least somewhat more efficient for their points but at that point they're becoming so expensive for their fragility to non-specialised marine killer weapons....

These will be the core of my army. Alongside phalanx warders, stone gauntlet let's these cheap infantry become incredible walls that I can use to even tie up terminators or dreadnoughts without much worry

wow that was fast. Thanks for the breakdown!

Breachers don’t trigger the run and charge with Space Wolves because they’re Heavy and cannot run. They get the +1WS on the charge instead.

Thank you for these. I wanted to get into HH but I have kids to feeds so a full forge world army was never going to happen. I can finally play it now and I’m lost lol. That said I’ve decided the Age of Darkness boxed set is a trap. I’m setting 10 tactical marines and 5 terminators aside until I can get special and heavy weapon upgrade sprues so I don’t wind up buying another 20 marines and squad of termies early in to do it.

I like them as the basis of a Logos Lectora all shield Ultramarine army. It makes them faster on turn one, and harder to remove after that. Not that strong but all the flavor.

We likely to see a plastic breached set? Would love them to be much more accessible.

Ultramarines Praetorian Breachers can all take Power Swords for 5 points each. P. Swords aren't the best, but it's a unique, and cool looking unit. The assault capabilities of breachers is nothing to brag about, and I don't think it would probably justify the expense. FWIW...

Rule of Cool means I feel like a unit or two of these can definitely be justified - just so long as yeah don't sink too much in the way of points into them.

Well done.

yeah las cutters are well a risky weapon but nasty if you are takeing two to 3 breachers take one

Hello how about the legion special variants of these like Phalanx warders?

I sort of really want to make a squad of these using 10 of my new MK III marines, but at the same time they don't seem a great choice for Blood Angels. I've also got a proxy termite drill (Mantic games' Veer-myn Tunneller) so might just have to make em for rule of cool and nothing else.

What are your thoughts on running them with shrapnel bolters as Iron Warriors (and on shrapnel bolters in general)? They seem like a useful tool to try pin an enemy, and did I get that right, if they pin a charging unit during overwatch the charge auto-fails?

Good video! You’ve definitely given me something to think about with the grav gun - I was planning on going all lascutters for mine. Probably would have been worth mentioning their potential in an Imperial Fists army running stone gauntlet. Yes, Phalanx Warders are better, but they’re more expensive and the Breachers still receive a re-roll to their invulnerable saves plus hammer of wrath. Also, the +1 to shooting with bolters that all Fists get helps make their shooting more worthwhile. If you do a Medusan Immortals video, worth pointing out that unlike regular breachers they get access to bayonet options, which are utterly pointless given models with boarding shields can’t use two handed weapons!

Before I saw the rules I was considering them for my Salamanders but now I don't think they really have a place. I haven't done the math but the increased costs seem to have diminishing returns when compared to Salamanders Tactical Squads. Why not just spend the points to get more marines, bayonets/chainbayonets, an Apothecary, etc? I would need to do the math, but an upgraded Salamander Tactical Squad may be sturdier point-for-point while having more firepower. It's a similar situation for Salamanders Tactical Support Squads with meltaguns: Pyroclasts are a few points more but bring way more to the table.

What's your opinion on Phalanx Warders the IF elite version of breachers? their special rules make them perform the way they look like they should for marines with giant shields: +1 WS when charged, and +1 to invuln when in base contact conferred to any character that's joined the unit as well. But these mfrs are 225 damn pts. They're iconic and thematic in a Fists list, but I'm struggling to justify taking them outside Zone Mortalis or a Stone Gauntlet RoW list with Fafnir Rann as HQ.

they key to breachers is play imperial fist stay in formation and never leave your objective, you will not move and nothing is really shifting you.

Imperial fists have warders which are just objectively better.

Just to make sure I've got it right... as they have Line, they can be taken as a mandatory troop choice?

Running 60 Immortals with dreads, no idea how this will turn out 😂

I know you don't do these videos anymore(currently), but what about 20 of these guys in a spartan? Maybe 2 squads, each with Rad Grenades?

breacher's are a bit too expensive for what they bring, considering that 20 breachers are 20 wounds with a 5++ and 10 tarteros terminators are the same for 25 points less. if you really need the line troops throw in a legion herald for line on your terminators. terminators are more flexible and can shoot and kill in melee for about 100 more points(for the herald)

You forgot imperial fist that get bonus with Rann

I have 20 and not sure if to run them as one unit with bolters or split into two one with volkite. The volkite feels fluffy as it’s a dark angels force I’m building.

Where the stone gauntlet

I can't help it, I have to model these even if they never see play...

What about Shrapnel Bolters on them?

You mention the Medusan Immortals. Obviously they’re better than a normal Breather Squad (10 leadership, +1 attack) for +50 points, do you think that makes them worthwhile?

How would you say these guys function with the White Dwarf Zone Mortalis rules? Are they more worth taking for that style of play, or better off split with tactical or despoilers?

Thanks for the video. Would like to hear your thoughts on recon squads. Would breachers be a better bodyguard for a techmarine on foot in a Raven Guard army or am I better off with a recon squad for the extra shrouded saves from shooting?

I can't breachers in 2.0 did they survive the edition change?

what's the opinion on Phalanx vs Medusa's ? i'm torn between IF and IH and this answer might just help push me one way or the other.

Where is the shooting profile for the lascutter? I may be being blind, but I couldn't find it (Liber hereticus)

So breachers can take 1grav gun for every 5 in a unit, would It be effective to take 2 grav guns in a 10 man squad with an attached apothecary for point defense ?

are you doing basic tactical marines as well?

3:32 don't you fire overwatch before the charge roll ?

why do people think breachers, or Deathsworn for that matter, can run in SW? Heavy units cannot run.

Fuck, I bought 5 of these thinking i could build a squad from them, now i see you need 10 minimum and I feel stupid.

First view, sweet