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Breakers, Wires, Fuses, and Overloads 

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In this class, Bryan teaches the Kalos techs about breakers, wires, fuses, and overloads. The practices associated with these components can be a bit controversial in the HVAC industry, so we look at these through the lens of NFPA 70 (National Electrical Code/NEC).
The wire sizing guide can be found in NEC 310.15 Table B-16, and NEC 440 is just for air conditioning. Most of our disagreements with electricians come from the separation of these two sections of the code, as electricians may not pay attention to NEC 440. (We also can’t agree on whether the circuit breaker’s main purpose is to protect the conductor at all costs or not.)
A circuit breaker allows you to close a circuit manually; it is resettable. A circuit breaker has three settings: on, tripped, and off. A breaker that is ON will have its lever at the very top. An OFF breaker will have its lever at the very bottom. A tripped breaker will have its lever in the middle, so you can tell the difference between an off breaker and a tripped breaker. A breaker may trip due to excess current in the case of a short. If the current is only slightly over the breaker’s rating, the breaker may take a long time to trip. Arc fault breakers can get quite hot, but their high temperature doesn’t mean that they’re malfunctioning.
Fuses come in many varieties, but each one has a current rating (and usually a voltage rating). Amperage will blow a fuse, but excess voltage could potentially cause arcing. Some fuses will blow slowly, and others will blow quickly, but the amount of overcurrent also dictates how quickly a fuse will blow. Fuses must be able to withstand a motor’s higher current upon startup, so we typically prefer slow-blow fuses for those. Fast-blow fuses need to protect electronics.
Overload means that you’ve placed too much load on something. So, an overload is a device that breaks a circuit when there is too much load. When a motor’s physical resistance increases, its electrical resistance decreases. The electrical resistance decreases because the motor doesn’t spin as quickly and produces less back EMF.
Your compressor can overload after coming out of defrost due to high suction pressure. The refrigerant is very dense in the suction line, so the compressor current must increase to deal with the load.
A ground fault is an important electrical term; it is the momentary connection between a current and ground. A ground fault is similar to a short, and you can prevent a ground fault with a GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter). Condensers will soon need GFCIs according to code.
Overcurrent protection prevents excessive current; these components typically guard against instantaneous spikes of current. A circuit breaker is an example of overcurrent protection.
Overload protection protects a system against a running overcurrent that causes overheating; these components typically protect from electrical problems and other thermal overload issues.
A conductor is basically a wire. When sizing a conductor, we must consider circuit amperage, ambient temperature, insulation temperature rating, box/conduit fill, and voltage drop. The voltage drop must merely be acceptable; the NEC doesn’t require specific voltage drop parameters for sizing, for the most part. (Conductor length affects voltage drop, and you want to measure voltage under load.) Luckily, many manufacturers make it easy to access the data you need for proper conductor sizing on their products.
Information on conductor temperature ratings can be found in NEC Table 310.104(A). (Be sure to check if you’re using copper, aluminum, or copper-plated aluminum.) We often use the left column on that table. Tightened connectors also have torque ratings that you must account for, not just ambient temperature. Also, make sure your termination points can accept the wires you plan to use. You can’t connect Romex to an outdoor coil because it would operate under damp conditions, which is a code violation.
The insulation rating is just as important as sizing. Insulation doesn’t affect voltage drop, but more insulation will help prevent overheating. Voltage drop also does NOT indicate a hot circuit.
Starting current is when the voltage is first applied to the windings, so there is no back EMF; starting current is always HIGH at first. Running current is the current level when the motor is up to speed (and back EMF is in play, providing resistance). Locked rotor amps (LRA) indicate the current that a motor will draw if the motor stays locked (5-6x running amps).
Remember, mechanical problems often cause electrical problems. Make sure you give your connections good metal-to-metal contact. Also, only check connections with thermal imaging when the system is under load.
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Комментарии : 85   
@jimmylee1856
@jimmylee1856 3 года назад
Hello When you have this class again please let me know
@BJ-yc9ox
@BJ-yc9ox 2 года назад
HVAC tech here, more companies need this in the workplace! An emphasis on learning the "why" and "how" things work, not just providing enough tools and knowledge to get the job done. Appreciate everything that gets uploaded on this channel!
@ShadowzTubez
@ShadowzTubez 3 года назад
Training is just as important to me as pay. Your shop is lucky with all the resources you provide them. Thanks for uploading these videos and the podcast!
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 Год назад
What a blessing to watch this at home huh 👍
@jeremybenson516
@jeremybenson516 3 месяца назад
Best dude I ever seen, he bounces around butt who wouldn't just talking to a class!!! Thanks
@LearningInVR
@LearningInVR 2 года назад
not really in hvac tech but this channel has helped me so much
@JaimeMartinez-hd2dk
@JaimeMartinez-hd2dk 2 года назад
Thank you Bryan. Keep us cool; with your training. I'm a new universal technician and I very much appreciate all your help 🙏
@allenjay6065
@allenjay6065 Год назад
Bryan is rather amazing. If you watch him, you can see he has all this information in his head already. He is not reading from a script. He has so much past EXPERIENCE with this field, it is a normal part of his thinking. Incredible how much information he has memorized. Probably the best HVAC-R man IN THE COUNTRY! I am a licensed HVACR specialty electrician in the state of Washington.
@johndude04
@johndude04 2 года назад
This is an amazing presentation as always. Keep up the good work HVAC school!
@grashoprsmith
@grashoprsmith 3 года назад
I really appreciate the text summary in the description for quick reference!
@tomk2471
@tomk2471 3 года назад
Thanks again for taking your time to make this video. Very informative
@Joe_Joe_The_HvacMan
@Joe_Joe_The_HvacMan 2 года назад
Thanks Bryan. I will be showing this to my Advanced Electrical class at school. I do teach the "breaker protects the wire" and the disconnect protects the unit unless it is a non-fused disconnect and then I say size the breaker to protect the unit but still follow breaker size for wire and unit just to be safe. Also, thanks for the clarification on the "romex" inside seal tight conduit. DID NOT know that! Make since that all "whips" are individual conductors and not romex. Good job sir!
@nathanhurst5155
@nathanhurst5155 3 года назад
Thank you very much for these class style long format videos. I’m training an apprentice right now and am having him watch all of your videos and listen to the podcasts while we’re in the truck from house to house. 👍🏻👍🏻
@johnd4348
@johnd4348 3 года назад
Breakers can trip due to high heat also. Most have a thermal setting that they will trip if they get hot but the amps are below the current rating of the breaker.
@kennymcguire5252
@kennymcguire5252 2 года назад
Ok ok lol
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 Год назад
Odds are if it’s too hot it’s overamping though
@jordanhenshaw
@jordanhenshaw Год назад
They exclusively trip based on heat.
@Stuart68505
@Stuart68505 3 года назад
Very thorough & helpful
@the-beloved-king1026
@the-beloved-king1026 2 года назад
Another great set of lessons! Ty
@texture6
@texture6 3 года назад
In the beginning of the video PSC motors and static pressure came to mind. It’s also nice to start think of refrigerant and density, high density needs more HP and low density needs less HP. You could jump into your SEER rating and energy consumption, like in a 4 season environment
@connorm.6253
@connorm.6253 3 года назад
Great content, great resource.
@shine-cg9uf
@shine-cg9uf 3 года назад
Great class! 👍
@tonym6920
@tonym6920 3 года назад
Great class, 👍👍
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Reason they came out with requiring GFCI protection on all condensing units in the 2020 NEC was somebody got electrocuted when they touched a grounded condensing unit that was not grounded. Was told that at an IAEI continuing education class. Also must supply GFCI to all electric dryers and all residental receptacles 50 amps or less. Should mention that in at least comercial & industrial sitrs you ate allowed to use equipment GFCI circuit breakers that trip out at 30 milliamps rather then the normal 5 milliamps. Had a double sided 6 door 120 volt refrigetated unit that keep tripping out a 5 milliamp GFCI bolt on circuit breaker. Spent time running up to 1.000 volts DC from a megger to everything but control board. Never found any leakage nicked wires etc. . They replaced the 5 milliamp trip breaker twice nut still would trip every 5 to 7 days. Never tripprd the 30 milliamp GFCI equipment bolt on circuit breaker.
@jaysonparanal9551
@jaysonparanal9551 2 года назад
It may become worse due to non tripping or no tripping !
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Read in two diffetent places that contractors are having very large # of GFCI trips on some residental split units ( wall hung ). Only a life long sparky. Some locations allow these units to not having to be GFCI protection.
@cyrilasfrenchyaz
@cyrilasfrenchyaz 2 года назад
Hi Brien, that's another great video, thank you. Do you know if the same rules apply for tinned foiled copper wires? Are they allowed in HVAC applications? If so which ones and why and why not? Just curious.
@AliAhmadi-hq9pj
@AliAhmadi-hq9pj 2 года назад
Love your videos thanks 🙏
@shannonhill3356
@shannonhill3356 2 года назад
Is it possible to sit in on these classes and or meetings as a non-employee? I live in Central Florida, Sarasota area, and would love to actually be able to participate in some of this training that you do. I'm still within my first year in the industry, and would really like to get started proper instead of having to fix any bad habits later down the line. I found your channel, and have been watching your videos since day one of trade school - You're an absolutely indispensable source of information for text new, old, experienced or otherwise. If it is possible to join in on some of these, is there a schedule that is kept in posted somewhere? Thank you so much for everything, even just sharing your Monday meetings is amazing.
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 2 года назад
Cool learned something I knew about but did not understand the why. Motor amp draw and why in overload amps go up.
@rogerbettencourt9654
@rogerbettencourt9654 3 года назад
That’s not “the office” that’s the Shop baby! Lol.
@yupinmywhitet2
@yupinmywhitet2 3 года назад
@Brian I’m shopping for new mostly residential light commercial vacuum pump, do you have any discount codes or does anyone on here have any discount codes
@joshpearson1693
@joshpearson1693 2 года назад
Do you plan on making these last few videos into podcast?
@donnierobertson3088
@donnierobertson3088 3 года назад
Great job. A+
@jenko701
@jenko701 2 года назад
Your best video
@garypoplin4599
@garypoplin4599 Год назад
17:30 - Brian, are you referring to the new arc fault breaker requirement here?
@Samlol23_drrich
@Samlol23_drrich 3 года назад
This is great
@franklineastman3349
@franklineastman3349 Год назад
Vary informative
@jordanhenshaw
@jordanhenshaw Год назад
A missed component of this is that the reason true shorts trip immediately and lesser shorts trip slow is because the breaker doesn't read amps, it trips based on heat. More amps means more heat, but if the amperage is only a little over, it takes time for it to heat up such that the breaker trips. When it's a true short of less than 1 ohm or so, it heats up fast enough to trip instantaneously. Also GFI's are typically only used in wet locations to protect against water. Think hair dryer falling in the bathtub. That may be why GFI requirements would be coming to the outside unit and not to the air handler. I've never seen a GFI in a dry area. I guess the evap does have a drain line for condensate, but that wouldn't really warrant a GFI.
@r1cky42
@r1cky42 2 года назад
How am I sure if a unit being fed by a cooling tower that trips the breaker when we plug in the compressor is going out on overload or a short circuit
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 Год назад
Check amps and check for shorts right?
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 Год назад
I’m sure I’m missing something lol never worked on that
@r1cky42
@r1cky42 Год назад
Thanks guys and yeah definitely check for amps turns out the compressor was protecting itself because it was rated for 115 v and the supply power was 220 they installed the wrong compressor
@edgarkerr234
@edgarkerr234 Год назад
I think that the apparent disagreement about the max circuit breaker rating between electricians and appliance engineers is due to the point of view. NEC is concerned about distribution of power. Appliance Engineer is concerned about the appliance. You are paying attention to the appliance rating as per the nameplate. The win win solution is the current practice. Adding a sub-breaker at the vicinity of the condenser rated according to the manufacturer will protect the appliance. Similarly chemists see electrical current as movement of electrons but physicists see this current from the potential energy coming from the power supply. Both are correct. Another analogy, ophthalmologists will write a prescription according to the condition of the eyes but optometrist will write the same prescription according to the eyeglasses required by the patient’s vision. Both are correct. I am a retired appliance technicians but it’s only now that I understand why point of views differ.
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 2 года назад
What I have heard. Running a breaker at full amperage shortens the life of the breaker. For continuous operation 80% or less continuous amperage draw of the breaker rating will give greatest operation of breaker.
@glenn3442
@glenn3442 3 года назад
Why do loose contacts get hot and melt...Joules law, not Ohms law. It is to do with power, P=I²x R so a good connection has no resistance therefore no power but if the connection is loose the resistance increases and even though the current is decreasing the power (W) will increase and cause more and more heat. Hope this helps not confuse.
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Done thousands of PM's and even a brand new motor starter contacts will have some voltage drop. Usually 3 to 10 millivolts for small motors but on piece of crap junk type IEC motor starters always at least twics as much.
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 2 года назад
A contractor I remember installed at the main panel the correct size breaker And at the condenser a larger breaker. Inspector said not passing. Contractor reason was because running the small breaker at condenser could trip out. I never understood that one. So contractor installed breaker got inspected and then inspector left then contractor changed the breaker back again. Can someone fill in what I am missing please.
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 Год назад
He used a bigger disconnect at the condenser? Like a 60 amp instead of a 30amp?
@mostlikelywedoitservices6926
@@murkyturkey5238 Yes
@michaelkeller6087
@michaelkeller6087 3 года назад
I had no idea NFPA originally wrote “The talking heads “ burning down the house.
@HVACS
@HVACS 3 года назад
Yes... its a true fact
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Aholes like changing names after being popular last 100 years. No more light fixtutes now luminarrs no more nuetral conductors now confusing grounded conductor. Bonus round was never anything in NEC as a wire nut = pressure connector & Romex and BX cable.
@biker55555
@biker55555 Год назад
Does anyone know why manufacturers specify higher than necessary (vs the min circuit rating/wire) max OCPD rating? why not strictly limit the OCPD to the minimum circuit rating (even though, technically, it could use a higher rated OCPD).
@josephschroen5093
@josephschroen5093 Год назад
Because when the unit starts it is starting from a locked rotor position so the larger breaker is covering the inrush current on startup. It’s so the breaker doesn’t trip when the unit is starting
@mattphillips538
@mattphillips538 2 месяца назад
The arc fault breaker heats internally because it contains an harmonic approxillator
@garyo8546
@garyo8546 Год назад
i don't know but when i amped any motor low speed drawed less amps then high but if its a single speed motor and your loading the motor up then it would draw more
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 3 года назад
First few minutes in my first thought it would make a great collaboration between Mike Holt Brian Orb electrical HVAC video
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Attended 2 of Mike Holts seminars at an IAEI meeting. Very smart guy. View his code question & daily graphic 7 days a week.
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 2 года назад
@@garbo8962 When I discovered his RU-vid channel my son and I went all the way back to the beginning and started watching all his videos. Can never gain enough knowledge about electrical especially when you’re in HVAC
@fosterhensleycm8378
@fosterhensleycm8378 5 дней назад
Recommend “Mike Holt’s Electrical Toolbox” app you can go to Residential air-conditioning or commercial air-conditioning. You can put in them what’s on your nameplate, the maximum protection and your minimum circuit ambient and he gives you a whole list of the wiring and that you’re allowed to use.
@rogerbettencourt9654
@rogerbettencourt9654 3 года назад
That is a good song
@ABC-wz2db
@ABC-wz2db 2 года назад
I read the tag as overloRds.
@logicalrat
@logicalrat 3 года назад
One sec grabbin some popcorn 😎😎
@mikeadler434
@mikeadler434 8 месяцев назад
👍👍
@allistersorrells2730
@allistersorrells2730 16 дней назад
Excellent! but you missed one thing for conductor sizing..... The terminal temperature rating, MUST be considered when sizing wire. On both sides, that is line and load. 20 year Journeyman Wireman here. I just had a light bulb go off, no pun intended. Electricians should study HVAC! the explanations really stick when in the context of HVAC. You guys have to know this stuff but us "dumb" electricians just bring you the power and we are done.
@ClickyMcbuttons
@ClickyMcbuttons 3 года назад
Jandy was here
@johnd4348
@johnd4348 3 года назад
Fuses, ? We don't need no stinking fuses. Preceeds to put a 5/8's copper stub in a fuseable disconnect.
@xraceboyex
@xraceboyex 3 года назад
Ive found fuses replaced with 3/4" copper pipe before 😂
@globeflicker9216
@globeflicker9216 2 года назад
Those never blow fuses, nothing like a piece of Cu keepin things safe. I always pull em out.
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 2 года назад
Worked at a large always extremely cheap gannett newspaper when they were doing great. Took cheap SOB'S 10 years to purchase two 1200 amp fuses for a safety switch that feed air compressors needed to run printing presses. Boss said just to install a piece of copper tubing. Told him that I would quit before doing that. Never purchased even one pair of rubber gloves needef to work on energized circuits.
@globeflicker9216
@globeflicker9216 2 года назад
izzy garbo Well, did ya have to quit? I would never endanger my coworkers. I’ve seen ‘no blows’ ark welded and that’s the least of the clients problem at that point. Personally I won’t touch any work without correct PPE. It’s what you over look that will get you, no matter how ‘experienced’. A Good day is when nothing happens, a Great Day is when you make it home safe when it goes sideways.
@wantedkiller23
@wantedkiller23 2 года назад
Sposed!!
@mattphillips538
@mattphillips538 2 месяца назад
#UBTrippin
@realestateservicessaleshea99
@realestateservicessaleshea99 3 года назад
🍺😎👍🏻
@leonardkimbler3689
@leonardkimbler3689 3 года назад
Talking Heads (Burning down the house)
@Trust_Jesus
@Trust_Jesus 3 года назад
I always be straight up trippin G
@444MarlinSS
@444MarlinSS 2 года назад
Lower the voltage, higher the current.
@HVACS
@HVACS 2 года назад
Nope
@444MarlinSS
@444MarlinSS 2 года назад
@@HVACS watts ÷ by volts = amps(current)
@bryanorr8818
@bryanorr8818 2 года назад
@@444MarlinSS but watts do not remain fixed because E=IxR - In some cases what you are saying is true if there are controls in place to keep wattage fixed but with no special controls amperage decreases when you decrease voltage becasue resistance is the most fixed element in the circuit. Even resistance is a moving target in inductive loads becasue Inductive reactance reduces along with decreased motor speed but even then... rest assured.. if you drop voltage to a typical motor with no special controls the current will decrease... I know becasue I've done it many times.
@BartSimpson-nr1dy
@BartSimpson-nr1dy 2 года назад
Actually, being an Ohioian, the Ohio Players certainly had a better and most appropriate song dedicated toward the most ill prepared electricians; FIRE 🔥
@necrobusher
@necrobusher Год назад
Talking head is the group burning down the house
@ryans5473
@ryans5473 2 года назад
Straight up trippin yo
@bethisway
@bethisway 2 года назад
You sigh after asking a question shows you think you're wasiting your time. Try to enjoy these more and not be a boss teacher.
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