Breaking Up With a Freemason? 

@marycayburkindine1003 Nobody is ever served in Freemasonry. It is the Primary requirement for memebrship, to have, as the centre of ones life, a single supreme being, responsible for the creation of the universe. You have no need to worry about Freemasons. Sadly, most priests simply blindly repeat the mistakes of centuries ago.

>rejecting Orthodox doctrine

@edward penny It wasn't exactly formal. It was a personal ask from an older friend who went through DeMolay and whose family had been Masons for generations. I just said no thanks not interested and that was that.

@edward penny Yes but he was older than 18 at the time and an initiated Mason lol. I don't understand the objection.

there are three masonic bodies for kids. De Molay is one of them.

No you weren’t, a Freemason won’t invite you in, it’s not allowed. ( I am a Freemason.)

Always a red flag when there are secret rituals and multiple Papal prohibitions on it. Best to steer clear of it.

Btw, the patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated those people

Based Granny

Yep! :)

What is a man period?

Freemasonry to me was always about community, charity and prayer. The dues they pay go to fund free treatment for children with medical conditions at least in America. Such as the Shriners hospitals and they put a lot of money into local community charities as well. I personally don't see how being part of an organization that puts most of its time into helping others and supporting each other regardless of religion is a bad thing.

Thea Isle All of these things should be part of healthy church and parish life. Freemasonry seems to want to substitute for that and to glorify man’s goodness, not Christ’s. I have read in the first rite of initiation for a Mason, the initiate must declare he is “seeking illumination” before being admitted. In the Church, the initiatory rite is Holy Baptism, which is also called “illumination” because as members of the Church we are immersed into Christ who is the Light of the world and receive the Holy Spirit who leads us into all the truth. That means if a baptized Christian seeks membership in a Lodge, he must de facto deny Christ and his Holy Baptism, because he is denying he has already been illumined by Christ and is instead now seeking light from a different source in the Lodge. The Lodge certainly does many things that are not bad in themselves. The question is who gets the glory for the philanthropic activities done by Masons and in whom or what does this fraternal organization direct loyalty, faith & trust? If it is true that to go deep into Freemasonry is also to go deep into occultism and ritual magic, that really tells you all you need to know about the true nature of its goals.

@@lornadoone8887 I appreciate the honest response but I respectfully disagree, illumination means clarification and to my knowledge that is what the first degree is about. Words have multiple meanings and I don't think it's fair to conflate the two. Just cause to groups use the same word doesn't mean it has the same meaning. You don't deny Christ when you seek membership. Their only requirement is that you believe in God. It doesn't require you even be a christian. You can be a Muslim a Jew, it doesn't matter. The important thing is that when you join, you know God. We are all children of God and we should all treat each other as brothers and sisters. We shouldn't look a Jew and say, be is not my my brother because he is a Jew and he knows God differently then I do. We are a family and we should all love eachother even the people who dont love us back. I agree that community, charity and prayer should be a foundation of any church! I was making that point because masonry is often portrayed as a men only, often shady community hidden behind closed doors. Which it curtainly is not! Never did the occasional potluck replace the church community I grew up in. We met twice a year, Christmas and Easter. My church community was the foundation of my upbringing and in no way did masonry come anywhere close to replacing it. As for who gets the 'Glory' from the philanthropic deeds... Well, no one. They do not public promote themselves. Many charities around you are likely fundended by them, but you will never know because they don't publicize where their money does. Love and help eachother unconditionally, the same way God has love for us. Loyalty is first to God. Whatever your faith may be, you should be dedicated to it. I am not member, but I was raised around it and the values my parents taught me. I speak from my experience only. I found alot of what Boyan said to be factually inaccurate and I felt like stating my opinion. :D Fraternal organizations have existed throughout all cultures over time. I feel their is nothing inheritantly wrong with that. I have never found anything about it to be Ungodly and their is nothing occultic about it. Yes their is ritual for initiations, but you can say the same for other fraternal organizations.

Illumination from lucifer... the OES symbol is an inverted pentagram. Albert Pike speaks about this.

@@theaorwell4197 your awesome

Gabriel Ungacta If churches make enough money then they shouldn’t be tax exempt. If churches that don’t make enough money can be tax exempt then other businesses should be as well. The problem here is that the government needs money so I think they should raise the income tax amount for the 1%.

Gabriel Ungacta Because the State grants legal status and the Church does not, the State cannot charge a religion for refusing a ‘ceremony’ and impose taxes. If the State imposes tax it would be a violation of the separation of Church and State.

@@bonniejohnstone I see

It is evil, it seeks to undermine Christ by making Him subordinate to God.

I feel sorry for the Greek Orthodox Christians. They must be both angry and embarrassed.

hahahaha am i the only one that gets this?

Josua Niemand so is it published, written or edited by officials involved with freemasonry?

@@DEATHCHICKEN1337 The first thing in it says is "To the glory of the grand architect of the universe" and has several pages of talking about history and Freemasonry. The publisher is some place in the UK. Also I'm not sure of who the persons are whose names are on the cover.

so you got yourself a MAP !!. haahahhaahah but can ya read it? hahahahaha

Lower ranking freemasons are just useful idiots. You won't find unsuccessful high ranking masons.

Lies🤦‍♂️

@Elizabeth Shaw While we do from time to time have deep discussions about various things, I think you may be confusing us with the Illuminati...which only existed for ten years and disbanded at the back end of the 18th century.

@@TheRealist2022 well, world leaders are Freemasons and they discuss things occasionally.

@@heelgill Can you name them? 99.999% of world leaders are NOT Freemasons.

@@TheRealist2022 HA HA HA to ALL of these ridiculous, lying comments.

+Bonnie Johnstone Bonnie, you are deceived about masonry. Freemasonry, whether it be for men or women is an abomination to God. Freemasons/Eastern Stars/Rebekah's worship Lucifer, Buddha and most other gods as well at their lodges. Freemasonry IS Judaism in disguise as masonry in it's uppermost degrees involves learning the Bablyonian Talmud, practicing Qabalah magick/sorcery and worshipping Lucifer. But you likely know all this, don't you? Read Isaiah 5:20-24 from the King James Bible which directly addresses masonry: Isaiah 5:20-24, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! v21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” v22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: v23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! v24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

@@AshkenaziChristian False. As a former Freemason myself, you're indeed incorrect on some of your ramblings.

@@AshkenaziChristian FYI, there are no "Higher" degrees in Freemasonry than the 3rd degree. All other "degrees" are not upwards but sideways and further appendices on the 3rd. Loose your Blue Lodge status and you cease being York Rite, Scottish Rite, or a Shriner.🤦‍♂️ As to all the other nonsense you spouted, it is indeed nonsense. At best, Freemasonry is Deistic like the USA. The God on our money is whatever God you worship, but legally, it's the god of nature. The USA is the world's first secular republic. Christianity and Judaism just left its mark on it. Reading our Founding Fathers will tell you this. Some were atheists, some Deists, and some Christian. Possibly a Jew or two.

@Elizabeth Shaw good morning, Elizabeth. You seem to have a rudimentary idea of Freemasons but there are some inaccuracies. Regular (official) Freemasonry is men only. Nobody knows for sure how it started, but it is likely that it evolved from the guilds of stonemasons in the middle ages in Scotland/England. The guilds were a sort of "self-help" group and a network of support. The nature of their occupation, meant that often, they were out of work and naturally because there was no welfare system, they would have been destitute. The guilds supported them until such time as they could find work again. Over time, well to do gentlemen saw this and thought it was a great idea... philanthropy was born! They used the tools that stonemasons used as a guide to integrity and morality..and we have developed in to the brotherhood we are today. The men who work on buildings, cathedrals, monuments etc are called "Operative Masons" while Freemasons are called "Speculative Masons". Certain principles and tenets prevent ladies ever becoming Regular Freemasons. That said, there are Lodges of females who do the same rituals, wear the same regalia, have the same basic rules (except that it's WOMEN only.. no men!) and the same aims. So they are 99% the same as the men. You say we wanted a place to discuss religion and politics. Well, the opposite is true! Religion and politics are the two subjects that are forbidden at a Masonic meeting. Why? Because they are the two subjects that cause all the worlds problems.. including war! Freemasonry is about unity and harmony... not division and discord. I created this account to enable anyone to ask anything they wish about Freemasonry and to dispel the silly rumours about us. So.. questions? Please feel free to ask.

Nathaniel, What you say applies to many lodges. My grandfather used to say "I can choose who joins my lodge; but I have no say as to who joins my church" (He didn't live where there was a private country club) .… But …. 1.) The higher degrees incorporate ……. occult practices. 2.) Freemasons and people in ….. Skull and Bones help each ….. other more than they help ….. the world (i.e. all humanity). 3.) Freemasons tend to support …… One World Government; it is …… part of their world view.

freemasonry has branched out and these days with the internet you can teach freemasonry electronically.....Freemasonry is a training ground so....they send people to train there i guess and then the rest happens outside lodge.

@@here_we_go_again2571 There are no "higher" degrees and you're incorrect. All "degrees" are appendages of the 3rd.

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