Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps 

Check out Dear Body. Looks interesting for food addiction.

Congratulations

3/28/16 for me. I co-voyage with you on the sugar battle. I turn my alcoholism and drug addiction over to my Higher Power each day but have had a hard time letting this one go. Praying for the willingness to be willing. 🙏

If you think about it. A sugar addiction is the transference of addiction to alcohol. Alcohol needs sugar for the fermentation process.

Congrats you have been sober that long my longest is a year and a half while incarcerated and in the free world 6 months is my longest term. A friend recommended me to listen to this man and I do find it very useful....

I have just ‘discovered’ Fr. Richard this evening, and am delighting in his insight! Like you, I absolutely resonate with what he says! I can’t see me getting too much sleep tonight, as I’m searching out his interviews, and listening with utter attention! Indeed, God bless, and God bless you too!

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My exact reaction as well. Then comes the sense that Fr. Richard is refreshingly provocative. What he says and how he says it, in me anyway, propels me toward a response. How can anyone remain safe, motionless, and static after experiencing all this? In common vernacular then, "transformation or bust." Great comment; great insight.

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I love the teaching from ,"BREATHING UNDER WATER"

Right!? 😄❤️ I’ve often thought this with people like Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama as well! ☺️

Good luck and love dear friend!

The message must come from the truth of the bible. Not what Richard Rohr thinks.

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He is surely NOT A PROPHET! I always say: I’m not a prophet or a son of a prophet! A fearful thing to be.

Absolutely! I can see why many in the ‘establishment’ feel threatened by him. His inclusiveness is such a refreshing revelation!

It is a wonderful thing to watch someone come alive with the Sermon. It usually happens during a "deep and weighty" Step 5 when the transformation from "belief in God" to "experience of God" occurs. Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount" unpacks the experience beautifully.

God still hates the occult.

God still hates the occult. Bill Wilson's religion cannot save anybody.

Bob was a Freemason, and Bill was a Heretic. Fuck them and fuck AA. Don't be fooled!

Davy Crockett It is not very nice to use the F word! Perhaps it would be better to simply say, that if you follow the religion of AA then you can not follow the religion of Jesus Christ. OR, heretics lead people away from Jesus Christ. Or Freemason's are anti Christ. Other than that, I would just say that this Richard guy is simply vulgar and very much disrespectful toward truths like transubstantiation and the fact that God is male as Jesus Christ is male...NOT FEMALE.

Davy Crockett Oh what a noble mind is here....

I'm sober today b/c 12 steps works & I work it.

God: Is the answer in all facets! I am not saying this to offend you... I believe that for some, Bill and Bob are not the gurus to God for everyone. God's knowledge expands with time, science, religion, psychiatry and medicine. Let us, please, be open in allowing humanity to find recovery through the sources that communicate to each heart.

Everything we do should be to glorify God, if not, then we are trying to glorify self which is sin!

That is anti-catholic. This man is a wolf.

Do it all for the glory of our wonderful Lord!

You need to put the action in

The 12 steps never worked for me either. I Had To Work THEM!

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Athanasius wap hardly ignorant.

Actually, you have to pray for the majority and be a living example. Remember that the ego is inherently selfish and makes it difficult for people to allow God to do the necessary inner work. It truly takes something something divine, for people to allow God to gradually change them over a lifetime. Don't just be impressed because 1 priest understood it. Live out God's instructions!

William Oarlock Christ’s character not his personally. Moral development isn’t about something as superficial as personality.

Bilbo Baggins wap ??? White Anglo Protestant or something else?

I was raised in NC as a church of god/prentecostal. My pastor had been born and was a practising lutheran. He met a preachers daughter and then converted. He is the closest thing to F. Rohr I have ever met. The only person I've met I can feel safe saying is in the second half of life and also a christian. .. That being said how I was raised by my fam etc. We *are* taught to emulate christ. But we are taught to do that via purity and chastity and self loathing. To be a perfect servant. Patanjali talks about how the seed of suffering is from the tendency of the self to reflect itself into the world. I think that the people I grew up around tried their very hardest to remove the ego from their awareness, instead of trying to understand what the self truly is. But by doing so, they weren't aware of how much they protected the identifications they had made, making them equate ego death with experiencing sin......... .. From that I learned as long as I don't allow my identity to overwhelm my consciousness. I will as Heb 4;16 go *boldly* before the throne of grace, that i may obtain mercy. To me the bible teaches apophatacism. Basically instead of looking for the needle in a haystack, burn the haystack...... And when you find the needle, the true self, and you have burned away the hay, the identifications and wrappings of the intellect etc... then one is truly emulating christ. .... But I don't think I could have done that without experiencing its contrast #WeLoveYouSophia

Agreed lol

+Laureano Luna Non dual thinking has nothing to do with pointless modern tolerance of opposing ideological positions. It's about blending the internal and external worlds. Your mind imposes itself on the world all the time. The first step in non dual thinking is to allow the opposite.

+Laureano Luna blubbedy blub blub!

I hear you Laureano. I had the same thought. But I am drawn to the disclaimer he made when taking questions. That one can be both a part of the system of dualistic thinking, and see beyond it. That both can happen would be a consistent way of thinking non-dually. What about acknowledgement of both? I think he gives that at one point in this vid (about 35min in).

Why you equate Christ with Jesus the man?

Yes! you know why? If you go deep enough you can see that the great spiritual leaders are talking about the same thing but from a different perspective.

+johannesnicolaas - good insight, I just completed a VIpassana meditation course and also practice Centering Prayer and there are many similarities at the core.

Thats because he is a heretic to true Catholicism!

Meditation and contemplation both require deep levels of stillness and silence. The difference is that we, as Christians, also get to hear the Trinity throughout our days and nights too in ongoing personal conversations.

@@emilybrown5229 if he is a heretic he seems to be more on the right track than some catholic leaders......so idk what heresy you are pointing to....all i see is goodness and logic Stupid pharisee hypocrite

One day I farted and it ran down my leg. I was at the pool and let it dry. It was a very memorable moment. I did not wash it off for two days. That is how one becomes spiritual. Simple natural but out of the ordinary. Please try it.

Yes, yes! We understand so much more about addiction now. Twelve step programs support the "you will forever be diseased" model. That is just not the case. The non- profit, no charge, easy to access and community support aspects of the model are wonderful. If only they supported people's deep healing and letting go of their addictions.

I’d say it’s the drugs and the alcohol that are taking lives, as well as some big egos. No one said it was easy. Please don’t throw out the baby with the bath water

try to get them to see it..lol

The Big Book exhorts the alcoholic to "...be quick to see where religious people are right." I'm glad that I started to take this admonition seriously after a while. I wouldn't say that I was "quick" to do so ( 11 years, Oy vey!) However, since I came into the Church, my life in recovery and my religious spirituality have enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with one another, and therefore ultimately with the God who gives such meaning to and freedom in, my life; the God who brings us back from the brink and whose enduring grace not only sustains us individually, but radiates all the more powerfully into others' lives. Most in the pews are not dying to the point of urgency to a spiritual solution. But most I know in the Church are so much less self-absorbed, more generous with time, talent and treasure than so many in recovery sober for decades. While all this s only my experience, I do hope that I never become again so arrogant to think that 12 steppers have all the spirituality needed for humankind in their back pockets ; still less that organized religion has somehow therefore become irrelevant. God bless you all, and God bless Fr. Richard Rohr.

Jackie Ann, how are you doing?

Felicitations for finding your freedom! Hallelujah!

Hello Sara, how are you doing?