Bronze players need to STOP caring about stats | Overwatch 2 Spectating 

yup, nerf Genji. jk

Scoreboard never determine a games outcome I’ve found out. It’s just a “oh I did more *random stat* than you so I’m better”

its good to look at to know who in your team and who on the enemy has ult. Also, death counts can probably tell you who you should help more. But of course theres some people who have a bad game and end up with high deaths either way

I actually do peek at it when I play mercy to make the split decision on who is making better use of my DMG beam

Looking at the scoreboard shows you who is waiting to respawn and knowing which person on the enemy team has the most deaths can help you identify the weak link your team needs to focus

Weird to think that bastion is more likely to get the enemy cool down simply because he's a bigger slower target

@@noturdad101 people are also just wired to see bastion as a huge primary threat so they go in on him specifically

​@@Chaimelo mostly because a lot of people don't take cover when he is in turret form XD. At least that's why I go for him when he is played by the enemy

@Nemo.404 true. Some people kinda forget to play corners and use natural cover. Something in my brain has flashbacks whenever I see bastion bc I just remember ow1 bastion with pirate ship / double shield

Did you say nice things in game? I'm sure the Bastion player would've loved to have heard it

Yup, I'm guilty of this myself. I get stuck on noy dying.

In OW1 the best thing a support could do is not die, because good support play could make up for a dead DPS or Tank. But that went out the window with OW2 and keeping the single Tank alive becoming the most important teamfight factor instead of both supports being alive. A lot of people never unlearned this, and they taught it to new people in OW2.

Tired of LWs and mercy OTPs that pretend they were impactful because they had 0-2 deaths through the game, meanwhile I go spectate them and they're literally already booking their flight to cancun as soon as they see someone die. Or LWs playing literally on the other point, which at that point they couldn't heal or pull or tank that made space Someone called them out (our tracer) and they said "I literally had 1 death and 15k heals like???" these players play for stats and KD, no for the win. As someone stuck in ana and kiri jail, it sucks to get a support like that. This happened in masters 1 which is crazy

The amont of time I TP on my tank to heal them and they just leave and then they go "I need healing" bro I just TP on you and leaved me ....

As someone in bronze since 2019 in OW1, yes we do.

I love when my silver team loses and my tank complains that he had 18K damage as if it means anything when they had barely any kills or impactful picks and the enemy had a roadhog lmao

I’m masters and I didn’t know that lol. Granted I play way more Ana than Kiri but that’s good to know haha

@@pykeplayer4007boosted

@@pykeplayer4007the only way is to “prevent it” before they even get pinned you suzu because it gives them the I frame to go though instead of pinning

Best suzu is when you see a doomfist punching through you and flying off the map because of cleanse.

ty :) didn't know that.

i am terrible at using wall climb ngl... idk why but i find it so hard to do on console

@@MonkeyBanjo7 Because under default keybinds, you have to use your thumb to either aim or to wallclimb with X. There's a lot of ergonomic issues that make mouse and keyboard better than controller when it comes to Overwatch specifically. I have the same issues with Pharah and trying to aim while flying.

Can't do much while the tank is respawning, it's worth taking the risk to try and save them. However, if Kiri blows their CD's to save them and dies a moment later, they will look bad and likely be flamed into never making those plays. "Kiri stop feeding"... lol

@@i.r.weasel7042 cuz they are feeding most of the time when they do that lol, shouldnt NEVER try to make those plays but definitely should learn to know when a play CAN be made.

Dps is easiest. Just hit the enemy 😂

​@@JPIQQG agreed, I play all roles but when I wanna stop thinking, I queue dps 😂

Sadly It’s not exclusive to bronze, most supps in every rank think like that😔

Literally 80% of the playerbase has no actual idea how to play tank propperly ​@@Hampternin

@@Siks7Ate9 that’s a whole different topic lmao, I’m talking about the exception

i had no idea you could do this?

Yeah last night I had a game where like a minute in our tank had 0 damage, 0 assist, 0 damage blocked... like he wasn't even playing the game

Scoreboard tells a lot more in metal ranks. This opinion that stats dont matter really mostly pertains to higher elo matches. Its partially true for metal ranks too. But I cant tell you how many times im putting up ungodly (IMPACTFUL) numbers and i check the scoreboard & someones feeding or refusing to heal or not shooting back. Stats tell a lot more in metal ranks in my experience

​​@@WhereIsYourIDno, they tell even less in metal ranks. They tell you what number you hit, they dont tell you how well you played your hero. The stats mean more in higher ranks because people actually know how to use every hero effectively and how to get the most of out ever ability. Also in metal ranks people just shoot a tank 80% of the game while they counterswap them. In overwatch 1 I was hardstuck high silver low gold on dps. Why is this relevant? Because I had absolutely no space whatsoever as dps. I have had multippe games with over 45k damage and 70 elims with 8 deaths and no mercy pocket. I lost because my tanks would refuse to take or clear highground with me. I literally couldn't play better and I would lose because I couldn't clear the highground because a sigma mercy and ashe sat ontop of it and just killed half my team every single fight. In ow2 I was plat 1 untill a couple of seasons ago when I stopped playing really. Why was I plat 1? Because I had way more opportunity to offangle or make my own space and not everyone is behind a sigma shield with a mercy pocket all game long. Also those damage numbers I mentioned where all with either ashe or hanzo gameplay or tracer/genji

@@WhereIsYourIDI get that’s your experience then you have to play more because it’s not true. Scoreboard is only useful for ULT checking, which teammate is respawning, and death numbers. That’s it. Shooting a tank and dropping over 15k DMG is not impactful.

@@Siks7Ate9 Tbh it just sounds like you ranked up because there was one less tank in the game which meant you could continue doing the braindead plays but not get punished for it as much. You didn't get better at the game, the game just changed.

Imo good positioning IS being with your team. I think it's better to think more about realizing value than following some arbitrary principals like "high ground is best". Where in this moment do you have the most value? Sometimes that's high ground, sometimes that's main, sometimes that's flank, but almost always the most value is realized by playing with your team, wherever that happens to be in the current moment.

Yeah i see good positioning as more of a checklist than a yes-or-no thing. There's having good cover, there's playing within your team's LOS, there's controlling sightlines for the enemy team, there's playing high ground, etc etc and you generally wanna do as many of those as you can.

Good positioning is more than just taking high ground. You can ALWAYS play with your team while ALSO having good positioning.

btw, playing with your team doesn't NECESSARILY mean being all grouped up together. in some team comps, that's how you want to play with your team, but playing with them just means going in when they do, backing up when they do, etc. you will play with your team differently when you have a wrecking ball vs a rein, for example. playing with a ball means you go in when ball does, but it doesn't mean following the ball around. with a rein, typically, most of the team will play roughly grouped up with the rein with maybe 1-2 people going for an off angle. this can absolutely vary and depends on the situation, your team comp, their team comp, whether an off angle is needed or whether you need to maintain frontline pressure, etc. I just want to clarify because "playing with your team" is a more nuanced concept than the phrase implies!

Disagree

I want to say, climbing this far hasn't been easy because of these people. I don't think they are bad players. But once you start blaming your teammates your mindset changes. So in order to climb with these people on my team. In all the games I win I am always making sure I have the most kills. Because they won't say anything to you if you have the most kills. Once I have the most kills, I communicate with my team as much as I can and try to be the best team player I can possibly be. I also make sure that anyone I see on the scoreboard who is struggling gets some extra support, because we all have those games. And being down one is all it takes for the enemy to have that advantage. At least that's how I have been able to rank up. Because I know the more support and praise I give my teammates the better they will perform and I will perform well because I am able to help them with those plays. Huge thanks to Emongg, if it weren't for his spectating videos and his attitude towards Overwatch, I wouldn't have ever got any better. And I probably would've stopped playing tbh. Emongg is the GOAT!

Yeah, though Tbf, their tank was shyte, but enemy tank was worse lol.

​@HueyFreeman666 I mean this was bronze so...

@@Siks7Ate9 Yeah people expect all us lower players to actually be good when in reality we're all bad in many ways, but still we get crapped on for not being good enough~

They're all the same rank lol "lesser" is aggressive.

Lesser players?? you're in the same rank as them wdym??

They won that fight if they were up with the team.

i feel like lower rank players sometimes are not willing to w key with the team and then blame their team when they lose a 4v5

@@cmaxious it would be one thing if they were Ana, someone that WANTS to play back, but kiri sniper heals just ain’t it

With both cooldowns up no less

Also want to add that I completely agree with Emonggs opinion in general. Just wanted to give another perspective

Eh, im a support player and ive had plenty of games where my tank is topping the charts in damage and elims and my dps are struggling because my tank is playing way too aggressively and is taking all my resources to keep alive, leaving nothing for my DPS. Ive also had games where I begin to pocket my weaker teammates and they start getting much higher numbers, because the resources im giving them help patch up their mistakes and allowing them to rack up a lot of damage and kills. Im a horrible Widow but i often get a lot more damage and sometimes even more elims than better widows because im hitting 3-4 body shots where a good widow would get a kill with 1 clean headshot.

I think we have that same friend

They only matter in the context of telling if someone is actually doing anything. Even then, it doesn't tell the whole story. For example, if you've got 500 damage and 8000 heals on Ana or Kiri, you're doing it wrong. I think outside of some supports, there's not a whole lot you can deduce from stats. Other than situations like that, what's the different between a Genji with 8k damage vs 10k? It's impossible to tell. The 8K damage could be mostly squishies and the 10k could be farming the tank, in which case the 8K is probably getting more value. Or they could both be killing squishies, so MAYBE the 10K damage Genji is more impactful. As for accuracy: outside of possibly Widow it's a completely useless statistic. There's almost no reason not to just spam in the general direction of the enemy team during the poke phase or between team fights.

Yep, Moira naturally gets high dmg/heal stats just from playing the game and hitting buttons. If Moira DOESN'T have high stats, that's unusual, lol.

I hate hearing moiras talk about their stats, its just bloated

​@heartcoma I always tell them look at my amazing mitigation stats when I'm playing tank and they tell me 'I don't care', I then respond with I don't care about your stats either so just play something with utility? I have literally asked a moira to get off moira and go zen because they said we need more damage and I couldn't get them to understand we didn't. I just went ball and we ended up playing mercy zen and I just killed half the enemy team with our genji over and over and over because finally we had utility.

Until you face a good Moira who is unkillable, keeps their team alive, and knows when to ult and how to ult. It's easy to hate on Moira, but being a good Moira, that's hard.

that type of people exist in every rank 😢

hi im quiet new. what does that setting do and why should it be turned off? (thx in advance!!) 🥹

Wrong mindset. That’s a mindset issue.

@@mylegguy8115 i know but he is so stubborn

@@allanlugo7842 he’s always going to think that way if he never watches his own replays.

I like what you're trying to do, you're trying to use the numbers to figure out what you can do to be more helpful. that's a really good instinct!! however, I think looking at heroes would be more helpful and will also help you keep developing your understanding of the game. for example, typically, a sombra isn't going to have the same kind of damage output as a soldier 76, but Sombra can do really EFFECTIVE damage by getting elims very quickly and Sombra also disables the enemy team's ability to do stuff. the numbers aren't going to show whether a Sombra on your team is doing that. if your supports' healing numbers are low, that doesn't necessarily mean you need to swap to a hero who's more independent. it could mean they're getting dove or their healing is being cut off somehow. like I said, I REALLY love what you're trying to use the stats for. I love it. but I think you have the analytical skill to start adding more nuance and work on understanding what's happening as it's happening, for lack of a better phrase. what I mean is that I think you'll be able to identify issues without the numbers with a little work and practice. that being said, deaths are still a good stat to pay attention to. if one person is dying substantially more than others, that can be a really important thing to pay attention to and figure out what you can do to help prevent that number from getting even higher lol sometimes there's nothing you can do but I do think deaths, relative to everyone else on the team and lobby, is a helpful stat to some degree.

Yeah, those are the worst kind of people to play with. Even if he really was as good as he thought he was, he shouldn't have been giving advice unless you asked for it.

I Like turtles

Where does it say ultimate charge? Just out of curiosity.