Browse Modern Websites on Old Computers! - Browservice Tutorial & Demo

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Today's video covers a really cool project called Browservice. It lets you browse modern websites on an old computer running an old web browser. It does this by creating a proxy server on a Linux machine, which can be connected to by the old computer.
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@ActionRetro 3 года назад

Well I know what I'm going to try on my Mac SE/30

@JeremyBolanos 3 года назад

Let me know how it works for you. I have a Classic II I wouldn't mind hitting google docs with.

@robertfurr4678 3 года назад

Lol, I'm not a Mac fan but I love your videos. Keep up the good work!

@myvyny 3 года назад

I’m curious what would the cursed Macintosh SE would feel to see his own exorcism

@grapowski 3 года назад

Hey, good to see you here! I thought of you seeing this video!

@ActionRetro 3 года назад

@@JeremyBolanos Oh nice, will do!

@6eeveedreamland981 3 года назад

Imagine doing online classes on a Windows 95 Machine

@xxg.tester7851 3 года назад

Haha It could be funny🤣 but there's not enouth ram

@lemau8458 3 года назад

Haha It could be funny🤣

@sonkorinda7312 3 года назад

Bsod trying to think to this

@ElNoobYT1 3 года назад

Haha It could be funny🤣

@ruler_of_everything 3 года назад

you wouldn't be able to use zoom tho

@y857n 3 года назад

Time to get my Windows 98 ISO

@lemau8458 3 года назад

lol

@ElNoobYT1 3 года назад

lol

@thebluescratchy2009 Год назад

chain broken

@ethandudeman8359 Месяц назад

chain broken

@user-wk7jk5of4f Месяц назад

chain broken

@dollardealtech768 3 года назад

Now I can use Discord on Windows 3.11. Thanks for this video.

@SunnyRayPL 3 года назад

There is Slack client for Windows for Workgroups!

@IceFennec 3 года назад

This was my first thought, except it was Win98SE and Win2k. When I have the budget for more SD cards, I'm definitely gonna do some shenanigans in Windows 3.11. I forget if PuTTY or Cygwin are available for 3.x.

@SunnyRayPL 3 года назад

@@IceFennec Nope, they're not. But there is some SSH client for DOS. The biggest issue with writing a true client for... well, everything today, is lack of Win16 TLS encryption libraries.

@jacobi3743 3 года назад

WTF

@TheAstrospace2 3 года назад

Instant liked this video. Clear description of how this works and how hobbyists with old machines and some raspberrys laying around can do this. Thank you!!

@MaskedGEEK 3 года назад

You could probably run a 3.5mm to 3.5mm audio cable from the Pi's output to the line-in port of the Win98SE PC to play the audio natively on that PC.

@flaminashes4693 3 года назад

I was just thinking that too.

@The10021k-guy 3 года назад

I had the same idea of doing that lol

@thetechconspiracy2 3 года назад

You could, but you would still have the audio latency issue, and it requires the machines to be fairly close to each other (probably not that big of a concern)

@MaskedGEEK 3 года назад

@@thetechconspiracy2 I don't think so. When I play with my friends online, I use a Mac to talk to them on Discord while my Windows PC runs the audio through a 3.5mm audio cable to the Mac's line-in port. I then use a free app, funnily enough, called LineIn to pass through the line-in audio to my headphones so I can hear the game and my friends. I do this kind of setup so that if my game crashes, or Windows wonderfully decides it needs to reboot without telling me it's installed "needed" updates, I can still chat to my friends without interruption. If there is lag, it's unperceivable to me. I could be wrong though, audiophiles may notice something I don't. 🤷‍♂️

@thetechconspiracy2 3 года назад

@@MaskedGEEK The latency comes from the Pi rendering the video onto a picture, sending it over the network to the computer, and the computer rendering the image. The audio still plays in real time, weather it comes out the speakers attached to the Pi or over a Line In cable, and the video is delayed by potentially several seconds. You would need some way to delay the audio (could probably be done on the Pi with a bit of work) to account for this overhead.

@waht9360 3 года назад

This is amazing! I've always wanted something like this, even if it isn't quite native. Can't wait to see where this project goes in the future.

@windowsxp3790 3 года назад

Interesting to see what seems to be the impossible being done

@CTMKD 3 года назад

How many grandmother's are still utilizing you XP?

@_kitaes_ 3 года назад

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@windowsxp3790 3 года назад

@@_kitaes_ hello younger sister

@MinecraftCheating 3 года назад

@@windowsxp3790 he would be younger lol

@trey1448 3 года назад

Hi XP we all have our time don't we!

@davinp 3 года назад

25 years ago I was a senior in high school and remember the IBM PCs in the school library with Netscape Navigator

@ImreallyINABand 5 месяцев назад

I love this. This may be the best video I’ve ever seen. I’m constantly searching for ways to make old pc’s more usable as a daily driver. Something beyond a retro gaming machine. Thank you.

@MinefighterLP Год назад

This is amazing! This is a great way to securely browse the internet with an extremely outdated OS.

@Natervader13 3 года назад

I half expected it to be doing some strange streaming in the background somehow but I didn't imagine it'd be through straight up images on a constant basis. That's a really neat project that helps bring old browsers to life, even if it's more or less emulating what it'd be like natively.

@ScarlettStunningSpace 3 года назад

This is incredible! I imagine this would also be very useful for old Macs

@deltakid0 3 года назад

I''ve been dabling into DirectX and I found very interesting how there's only tutorials from version 9 and upwards while I actually ran a Nintendo64 emulator on Win98 using DX7 back then. It seems the 3D graphics war was reserved only for secret or high class groups, I would love you make a video about 3D API war. Thank you.

@violetcassette 3 года назад

now for my thoughts: i think this one of the most interesting things I've seen done with old browsers! going in, I thought it might've been a compressed video stream being sent over and waiting for mouse button input to be received from a certain pixel, but a set of constantly recieved images does make more sense. still, im surprised at how well it seems to work. great video!

@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

Thank you!

@BlueSatoshi 3 года назад

Streaming video's more of an early-mid 2000s thing.

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 3 года назад

@@camthesaxman3387 Sure, but then it'd only work on XP-era PCs. This monstrosity supports even Windows 3.1! I gotta say, I'm very impressed.

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 3 года назад

@@camthesaxman3387 Is 5.0 and earlier Flash good to make a video player though?

@retropcdurham 3 года назад

This is pretty cool. Thanks as well to Scott for suggesting to MJD!

@ChungusKhann 3 года назад

A few years ago I wished for something *exactly* like this to exist back when I got my hands on a Windows 98 computer again after 15+ years. This is simply amazing. Can't wait to actually try it out soon!

@krissjacobsen9434 3 года назад

So I was literally searching and wondering if such a service existed. EARLIER TODAY! What are the chances? :O

@edwin3928ohd 3 года назад

The chances that this video would come out on the day you were searching it is actually very high. You likely are into vintage computers, being you are a subscriber here and also you search for this type of stuff on youtube without being on this channel. MJD has made so many other videos already, this was a topic that was not made yet. By the time today came along, there was a very high chance that he chose the topic in queseti I have to poop

@juappdev 3 года назад

Had this exact same idea a couple of years ago but never got round to implementing it - just goes to show if a tech idea sounds good, someone is eventually gonna make it.

@HelloGlamorous 3 года назад

Wow this is really cool! Amazing work by the dev(s)

@0x9E01 3 года назад

i'd been wondering for ages if something like this was possible, good to know that it exists now :D

@Kernel32x86 3 года назад

Wow this is amazing! I always thought that something like this was possible

@Win1037 3 года назад

Imagine showing this to your old boss from 1999 xDDDDDDD

@Xavier-gk9gz 3 года назад

very funny.

@ananttiwari1337 3 года назад

@@Xavier-gk9gz yes

@TheMinocula 3 года назад

Cant wait use it! Thx for all that great videos!

@Racecar564 Месяц назад

Amazing!! I'm only just finding out about this, now I finally know what I should do with my random Pi 3 that's been sitting around.

@JeffManseau 3 года назад

That is so cool I'm currently in the process of setting up a retro room in my house. One of the features I was thinking about scrapping due to low usability was the Compaq LTE 486 and the iMac G3 but with this thing I think I'll just hide a Pi in the desk and get those running there. Cheers!

@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000 Год назад

This project has a lot of potential.

@TechNetworkUK 3 года назад

This is amazing now I can browse most new websites on my old computers thanks Michael ;)

@KatJustice97 Год назад

Yours might be the only videos where I actually want to watch the videos linked in the cards. I'm currently three deep, two in the queue

@OzzFan1000 3 года назад

This is really cool! I'm going to set one up today with my unused Raspberry Pi 3. I finally have a use for it!

@Kippykip 3 года назад

Same here!

@Skibidithasbeenrickrolld6666 3 года назад

This is good for old people who still have these old computers

@hgbugalou 3 года назад

The wonder how this will work with a more powerful head end. I may throw this up in my lab. Super cool to see.

@ThunderSooS 3 года назад

Really nice! I will try it tomorrow 😁

@FoxBlocksHere 3 года назад

What an amazing idea!

@Tugezu 3 года назад

Thank you so much for making this video!!!

@Lestercortez128 3 месяца назад

This is an extremely genius idea!

@jacq0272 3 года назад

That's pretty cool!

@ZotoTelevision 3 года назад

I'd love to run Netscape again in any of my machines... ahh, the memories!!

@Skiedeagle 3 года назад

This man done saved my life

@IzludeTingel Год назад

browservice hosted by windows now works. back when this all started, i got it running using the linux subsystem, but had issues getting the external device to read the IP of the linux install. now that this is all purely windows hosted, it'll finally work.

@8randomprettysecret8 8 месяцев назад

Incredible 😮

@DavidWonn 3 года назад

Some of us had our first exposure to the Internet on (among other things) Windows 3.1, which had more than its share of browsers. It would be fun to run good old 16-bit versions of Netscape Navigator Gold 3.04, Communicator 4.08, Opera 3.62, or IE3.03 or IE5 this way for nostalgia sake. I even used telnet software on dial-up to remote into libraries that had Lynx browsers, just so I could capitalize on their higher speed connections, at the expense of the minor latency it took to draw the screen on my end.

@cydragon2.099 3 года назад

this is nice for someone who just does web browsing on a machine that doesn't run Win 10

@danieln.285 3 года назад

Thank you for sharing! I have been trying to restore an old Compaq Deskpro with Win 95, and although I got the OS installed, I can’t get the drivers because my CD-ROM drive crapped out afterwards. It’s sad but whenever I can get this fixed, I’m totally getting this set up.

@schwarzenegger_begger8810 3 года назад

I like this age of marrying old technology with new technology!

@leojei 3 года назад

Just 1 word, WOW!

@richardfarrelljr.7666 3 года назад

Awesome!

@ister4252 3 года назад

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!. THAT'S IMPPOSIBLE!

@legacycz 3 года назад

This is so cool :O

@marcelogomes3074 3 года назад

That's amazing!

@makaylaserniotti1474 3 года назад

RU-vid keeps unsubbing me from you, still managed to find your new upload!

@spacexplorer_ 3 года назад

At 5:11, when you said "Here's how you do that", a Grammarly ad came up. I guess I should write in proper grammar to make this work then.

@frickinfrick8488 3 года назад

Bro I’m so lost but this is still really cool

@darkspongebob11 3 года назад

Technology gets more awesome by the minute

@rowlit 3 года назад

yay new video!

@markst.5383 3 года назад

Never thought it would be that easy

@kristiantodorov5080 3 года назад

interesting vid! keep 'em up!

@ozi039 3 года назад

omg kristian im your big fan oowowowowowpwoowowowowowowowıuwuwuuwuwuwuwı

@UchihaNoble 2 года назад

I think Michael the resolution for this is making smth like VM but instead will be VB "Virtual Browser" which can run on 9.x Microsoft windows too

@CaseySexton 3 года назад

I remember installing IE5 when it was first released. I literally felt like I was living in the future lol

@julianmalcolm 3 года назад

Great Vid

@zenithseeker7 3 года назад

This is really cool, but I think it would be even neater if they managed to write a full vnc viewer for win95, since that would basically do what this is doing but allow tabs and other cool features.

@wnuczus1989 3 года назад

awesome!

@chromium9088 3 года назад

very nice

@NickDalzell 3 года назад

I got something similar running on a Linux Server acting as a MITM certificate authority which allows old computers such as my PowerBook G4 laptop with Netscape 9 to browse many SSL Secured sites. Doesn't work nearly this good but gives life to my old machines. Allows RU-vid to continue working on a 2012 Galaxy Note via the old Samsung browser too

@breeckthon5144 3 года назад

I verry Like your Videos

@fordgary3000 5 месяцев назад

THESE TYPES OF THE DEVICES BACK IN THE 80S AND THE 90S LOOKS MUCH,MUCH BETTER THAN THESE TYPES OF DEVICES BACK IN THE 200S AND BEYOND FOLKS.

@isaaccolyar1379 Год назад

Howdy MJD! Thanks for another great video, I intend to check this project out! Just out of curiosity, how do non-browser internet dependant applications run while connected to BrowService? Could I, say, play an online game or synch email while connected to the Pi?

@Flaretale52 3 года назад

OK So I have a LOT of Hobbies, With Pokemon, Drawing and Technology tieing for first. I really like youe videos, I usually don't say stuff like this, because it's like UNORIGINAL TIMES A MILLION, But I really enjoy you working on the Windows 98 PCs and the other stuff as well!

@ugzz 2 года назад

this is seriously awesome! but the one feature i would want is the ability to download files and have them actually forward over!

@JeremyBolanos 3 года назад

It's super awesome

@samismydog 3 года назад

Nice!

@imranqadir6544 3 года назад

Very good

@tailsprower9542 3 года назад

Hey thanks for the cool video ima go see if i can do this now lol Also nice job this video is really cool Keep up the good work :)

@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

Thank you so much! I appreciate it!

@tailsprower9542 3 года назад

@@MichaelMJD U-um yeah Np my question is can you run this under a vm in the 5$ 98 pc.?

@tailsprower9542 3 года назад

I mean i got a computer for 5 dollars lol its a Dell dimensions XPST700R i use it all the time and sometimes do things with it after watching your videos :)

@pronounjow 3 года назад

Browservice reminds me of Google Chrome Frame, even though GCFrame was an ActiveX plugin, IIRC.

@0xEARTH 3 года назад

could you potentially set this up all through VMs? eg. set Raspberry Pi up through your network, and have your _x_ old PC connect to that VM's network? this way, you don't physically need the machines and can run it all on one system?

@beefglobb 3 года назад

I might end up doing this with my old XP gaming pc!

@D3-AD 3 года назад

Yeah a new vid

@ghostraider4312 3 года назад

For a second, when he started playing ComputerClan's video at 9:08 , I thought it was my phone playing the video on speaker. Was wearing headphones.

@JeffreyPiatt 3 года назад

It's neat its basically a web browser remote desktop service for pc's stuck on older OS systems or older browsers a remote reverse compatibility mode. I don't know if it would see much corporate deployment because if your company is somehow finding a excuse to keep there systems running windows NT 3.5 or 4.0 and connected to a network they have other issues.

@DennisCDavison Год назад

This is pretty cool -- wonder if this can be done on the fly on a server using browscap and determining what css and html can be used??? maybe have to d/l the video onto the server before displaying??? A lot of issues to resolve, but who would be interested in maybe looking at this from another perspective??

@doramilitiakatiemelody1875 3 года назад

Nice video

@nicolasmaillouxorgue 3 года назад

Hi, very good video, as always :) But you can't save a document in Nano by hitting CTRL+S, it's CTRL+O

@IceFennec 3 года назад

Now I know what I gotta try when I feel like running Win98 on my K6. I couldn't get K-Meleon to run on that even with KernelEx. Edit: Tried it out in a Win98 VM and on Win2K, using my old EeePC as the proxy. It sure beats using a modern browser over SSH.

@NightCat28 3 года назад

Modern websites on the Wii and 3ds internet browsers

@zander_my_cat 3 месяца назад

thanks using this on my wii

@singletona082 3 года назад

Now tempted to ebaying for the model computer I had when I graduated highschool, upgrade it as far as it can go hardware wise, install windows unofficial service pack, and get some old software going, because why not?

@teh_shpee 3 года назад

A bit late to the party but I wonder how well this would play with console browsers like the ones on the Wii and 3ds.

@bitterliquid2640 3 года назад

with a witches potion of hacks and polyfill for the modern JS History Pushstate API, you could perhaps get the native Back and Forward buttons working & possibly page history too.. in theory

@Starpaintbrush 3 года назад

This is really interesting! May I suggest making a video on how to connect a VM to the internet?

@FlyboyHelosim 3 года назад

Well that's pretty simple. Be connected through the OS on the host machine and it should automatically connect in the guest OS. At least in more modern versions of Windows and using VirtualBox.

@jamesrgamesoffical 3 года назад

If you use a lan cable things are a lot easier

@Scrawlerism 3 года назад

“No tv magic” *proceeds to show other computer offscreen*

@jay1185 3 года назад

Right? I got so excited until I realized it's practically screen sharing lol. Still really freakin' cool but a little misleading.

@markix124 3 года назад

Is it possible to have the "old pc" be a virtual machine and "the server" be the host machine?

@10meisterballe 3 года назад

Wouldn’t it be possible to set up a DNS Server redirect to BrowService automatically

@zhiyan1147 3 года назад

I'm not really sure if there is a DNS server that will be able to redirect all domain names to a single IP address..

@10meisterballe 3 года назад

@@zhiyan1147 probably not, but I'm pretty sure it would be possible

@fotografotimido 3 года назад

Maybe a pihole redirect?

@zhiyan1147 3 года назад

@@fotografotimido The way Pihole works is by creating a large domain list and redirect them to a non-existence IP address to block them. So if you really want to automatically redirect to it, you would have to create a large list of the domain name to be redirected to the Browservice. This is assuming that we are able to set a custom DNS server on windows 95/98 because if you configure the DNS redirect on the router then the Browservice will also be using that DNS server thus when you type in the domain name, ill redirect to itself. tl;dr it really impractical to do such a thing and unless you got lots of older systems, it would be best to just set it as the default home page.

@zhiyan1147 3 года назад

@@10meisterballe If someone could create a custom DNS server for such a purpose then sure ig but it really impractical and harder than just setting the Browservice IP as the home page.

@aarontrupiano9328 3 года назад

now if only there was a way to patch these old browsers to work today or have a solution that didn't require another computer to work. that would be even more impressive.

@SunnyRayPL 3 года назад

While reading IP addresses aloud, you kinda sound like Microsoft Sam ;)

@hblaub 3 года назад

FINALLY, Microsoft Internet Exploder can display some pages correctly ;-)

@andrew_sar 3 года назад

Hmm, I wonder if I could get this to work on mac, it would be great to get my iMac g3 online again

@alextirrellRI 3 года назад

I'd expect it to work with IE 5 for Mac.

@jonasdatlas4668 3 года назад

Might even work with Safari, given the simplicity. Just need to look at their compatibility list. With PowerPC Macs something like TenFourFox might be worth a shot first though?