It's good that there's at least one John Brzenk, but let's not go so far as to say everyone should be like that. If everyone was like that, the sport would never get any attention and it would be super boring to watch. John is great because he's one of the few like that, but I'm glad it's rare.
Being a gentleman is the most important thing for the sport? No wonder Armwrestling hasn’t caught fire yet. Trying to see the “ gentleman” crowd… for Armwrestling…
I agree. John and Levan are good examples of guys who are so good at what they do that they don't have to resort to mind games, or worse, rudeness or intimidation. They know they're going to win and therefore they're relaxed and confident. Women like that in guys, not insecurity.
Fisher arm wrestles like a weasel and a cheat. He jumped the go the first time and only wins with a flash hit from the go usually. Cheap and sneaky. Damn his style. He has no real fans.
You probably don't know him that well then, watch some of his performances in big tournaments during his prime, he enjoyed screaming and flexing just like other people. True, he's not an asshole or someone that acts like an idiot during the match, but he still enjoys himself.
@@lepe true, but he actually talked about this at least once sorta. He said he found that when he let the excitement get to his composure like that that his focus could slip and lead to him losing. So when he recognized that problem, he decided to explicitly make efforts to remain calm and collected throughout his matches.
Andrei Mateus Mancilla Herrera he’s still not as crazy as matt mask and travis bagent. To be honest john is still one of the most composed armwrestlers but cyplenkov is a whole another level of calm. True definition of a gentle giant.
A few years ago, I saw Allen Fisher ordering Chinese food at a food court near Sacramento. Was amazed at how ripped he was and how massive his hands and forearms were. I should have asked him for a selfie, lol.
@@lobo53695 Yeah, it's so crazy how strong some people are in orders of magnitude. Imagine an amateur guy probably toys with 99% of people, then a senior toys with him, then a national makes the senior look like a kid. Then you have people that are world class athletes that toy with that national. Then goats like John and Devon and Denis are probably so much stronger than that guy. Then there is Levan who's probably twice as strong as the latter.
@@Nick.L. exactly! That's how I think of it. It fries my brain. Like, how freaking strong can 'that' dude be if he toys with 'that' dude who crushed a different guy who can beat any guy on the street with complete ease etc. Kind of doesn't make sense in your brain! When Dennis toyed with Devon it was mind boggling lol
Although Fisher is a legend in his own right, Brzenk has been pulling against ridiculously strong heavyweights and super heavyweights over the years so it just wasn't likely that Fisher could throw anything at Brzenk that he hasn't encountered many times over.
@ Brzenk was a middleweight most of his career at 195 I believe. The thing I like about Brzenk when he lost to much bigger guys in heavier weight classes he never once made an excuse about size as far as I know.
@@DexterHaven - I know that I've seen them matched up before. But I don't remember how it went (other than John, winning..of course). Let me guess, Cobra put his arm in jeopordy and it looked like his arm was going to break...but it didn't? hehe Every time Corba loses, it looks like his arm is going to snap. He puts himself in some very dangerous positions. The dude has iron rods for a humerus
He's big, he's strong, he's young. That can't be denied, but look at what Brzenk has done for decades. It is unmatched in sports. Nothing to even compare it to.
I saw both of their arms get measured after the ROTN and actually, Fisher's forearm was 14 even with his arm straight out and forearm flexed. Brzenk's was 15.5". Brzenk's upper arm was 18.25'" (he was surprised it was that big). Fisher's was 15.75". Fisher's forearms look about the same size as Brzenk's but it must just be because they are so big compared to the rest of his body.
It's so impressive the way John just snatches up Allen's hand like it's nothing. I don't think people realize just how difficult that is to do on Allen. He has abnormally large hands (Allen Fisher does) that are often compared to catcher mitts. Anyone that can just snatch up that hand like that must have extreme power. I've only ever seen John do it with that kind of ease.
Fisher is one of the best of all-time, but Brzenk is THE best of all-time. Yes, there are a ton of 280 pound monsters out there today; some who are allowed to compete but shouldn't (Cyplenkov). Accomplishments, impact on the sport, and reign of relative dominance are all as important as head-to-head matches.
dvr1337 imo, it's easier to be champ in lightweight division, rather than dominate in heavyweight, cause it's more traumatic, and yeah, John could beat superheavyweights while being just heavyweight
Darchan Darchan I'm pretty sure it's all relative. Larger weight classes are going to have stronger guys on the whole but by and large getting to the top of your own weight division is going to be tough in any case. People who do that and are still exceptional can tango with dudes in higher weight classes - this applies to smaller and bigger dudes. Brzenk is a beast, but last time they went up he got toasted by Larratt, who has a significant size advantage. I know Brzenk has beaten him in the past but Devon is just getting stronger. Hell Devon just took down Jerry Cadorette despite a 100 or so pound weight disadvantage. My point is there are too many variables to say one weight class is easier than another and it just comes down to which two competitors you're talking about and how they compare at any given time.
FYI normally these two legends would not be competing against each but Allen Fisher was there first and John Brzenk was nowhere to be seen so Allen Fisher entered the heavy weight class too. At the last minute John Brzenk showed up and the rest was history.
You may keep the same power, but muscle regeneration, hormone/blood delivery, bone density, nervous system "firing" time, etc., all slow down with age. Once you cross 44-45, it degenerates quickly. Power can stay, but all of those other little factors make it much harder on the old legends to keep up with the Larratt's, Kostadinov's and Cyplenkovs of the world.
Great video quality! Of course Allen has no chance against John but it's still cool to watch. The crazy part is, Allen Fisher's hand is probably close to or about the same size as John's, heck his lower arm in general has got to be close to the same size. You can see John's lats sticking out in this vid though.
wow, i've always wanted to see these two guys pull. I never doubted john for a second, but i know allen has a good rep. BUT like always, john prevails! Good job, and excellent video. i cant wait to see john rematch devon larate (spelling?) and win
At this point in Allen's career, age, and then John just being heavier, not much of a chance. Always amazed at the natural genes that Fisher has. John is just the top bar of the sport that no one else will ever surpass. It is always harder when you are the guy who done all this stuff first. John is "the goal" for all these younger guys, and some may break some of his accomplishments, but they have him as a goal to look at. John didn't really have anyone, he was the first man on the moon of real mainstream arm wrestling. ANd even with him as a goal, I'm not sure anyone will do it quite as long at that level. Maybe Michael Todd and Devon will get close, they've both been at this a long time. But even they aren't quite as competitive with the foreign monsters as John was.
My response to this, is Voevoda beat him once in tournament, it's not enough. He should have stayed around for 2-3 years, or a do a few super matches, so it's not like (it's an off-day for Brzenk, or he just got a good pull or whatever it is). Consistency winning is better than winning.
Weight matters to a degree, until it doesn't. Check out Brzenk vs. Richard Lupkes from 1988 on YT. Jonh also gave away over 300 lbs. to Cleave Dean and won anyway. If weight matters that much, that should not happen. But it did. @@debanitdas520
Brzenk vs Samuelsson would be an awesome match. I'd have thought Samuelsson would win due to having the technique but also being much much stronger than John. It's a shame there are no Samuelsson arm wreslting vids about, apart from the Nathan Jones one obviously.
that's the first time i have ever seen the 26 time world champion lose! It seems like he has a habit of lifting his elbow in matches. this video shows it and many others, yet he gets away with it. they call it the first time and then let it go. good video!
Poor bastard didn't stand a chance, yet Fisher is a legend in his own weightclass nonetheless, but Fisher would be better suited to pull guys like Geoff Hale (Halelraiser) and the likes.
Fisher's are probably in the 15's if goosenecked. I heard Richard Lupkes forearms are 20" (goosenecked, I would assume). I have never seen Cleve in person but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true considering his weight fluctuated between 400 an 600 lbs.
fucking hell have i seen bullshit on here, vevoda has age and wieght on john whereas experience is on johns side, the only thing that would make the match even against said opponents is age, if they were the same age john would win hands down, this guy pulls young guys in their prime, john is the greatest armwrestler and will remain so for an extremely long time, no one can match what he has done for the sport and what he has earnt within the sport... legend and always will be... john brzenk
@kevlarunderwear22 NO not for the actual pulling. The weigh-ins yes. Have you ever seen john brzenk beat the 700 lbs cleave dean? If weight was an issue, then he'd beat everyone. It's illegal to put your weight on top of your hands and press down with your chest. A tricep press is okay though. If your weight is pulling you down, your bicep still has to pull your opponents arm down. Weigh in just match you up appropriately. A 40 year 300 lbs dude against a 18 year old 150 boy is pretty unfair.
