Built-motor Eagle Talon vs Stock McLaren 765LT Supercar // THIS vs THAT

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00:00 THIS vs THAT
00:45 THIS: Mike's 2021 McLaren 765LT
03:07 THAT: Ronnie's 1990 Eagle Talon
04:52 Specs & Predictions
05:19 Round 1
06:31 Round 2
07:34 DE PLANE, DE PLANE
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@2001chevycamaross 2 месяца назад

Who is this new guy asking why he built the 4g63 instead or swapping it or asking if the talon comes awd? This vs that has gone downhill since hoonigan being sold off

@nathanielchavez3419 2 месяца назад

100%. What even was that interview I feel bad for the people trying to race on here.

@msims1985 2 месяца назад

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. He can't be a car-guy at all to not know they come awd. Lol

@chilled4lyf 2 месяца назад

Yeah please don’t have this guy do anymore interviews. He’s not a car guy and is clueless!

@SStoast1 2 месяца назад

Right 🤣🤣 "what made you want to build an EVO engine?" "Ugh, is this your first day on the show?"

@danamullins2723 2 месяца назад

Jesus...he didn't do that bad, and the owner of the talon even said that some come AWD and some come FWD....you guys need to breathe.

@ricecooker0355 2 месяца назад

“what made you want to build this motor instead of swapping it” half the reason of buying a dsm is for the 4g63

@turbo_brian 2 месяца назад

Literally the greatest 4 cylinder of all time. Yeah I said it honda boys.

@dfhillzilla 2 месяца назад

Right? I was like what did he say?

@ilikeass8944 2 месяца назад

Prob he drives a golf gti and talk about stage 😂😂😂

@axelherrera6559 2 месяца назад

Wow dude asked a simple question and got an answer, go take a breather🤦🏻‍♂️

@Andrew-yt9rd Месяц назад

4g63 is a dog water motor beyond 450hp

@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 2 месяца назад

Never underestimate a sun-faded DSM

@Domani02 2 месяца назад

Elle n'est pas du tout homologué avec ses pneus. C'est ridicule comme course

@502jackal 2 месяца назад

Hell yeah

@dddddyyn 2 месяца назад

@@Domani02Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of that white flag you are waving.

@brendanmccarthy492 2 месяца назад

I always wanted one. I’m a muscle car guy. But ever since I was a little kid looking up videos on RU-vid street racing, I saw a turbo talon take on a turbo fox body. Super close races. ( I have a fox body ) and I fell in love with that DSM

@picklefart 2 месяца назад

@@brendanmccarthy492I got my ass handed to me by a gsx in the early 2000s. I was one of the guys in a fox body getting smashed by awd guys lol

@johnshellenberg1383 2 месяца назад

"800" horsepower, LOL! The way he reeled in the 765 on the second race means that those 800 horsies ate their Wheaties between races...

@phillipmaciejewski9872 2 месяца назад

dude literally turned it up between races lmao

@seanroy3241 2 месяца назад

he said 800 "right now" probably had a 1200hp tune ready to go

@johnshellenberg1383 2 месяца назад

File name "byebyeMcLaren" @@seanroy3241

@msengineeringdavid3148 2 месяца назад

Yes 800whp is different then paper horsepower

@easternrider2119 2 месяца назад

I wish it made more, honestly probably only makes high 700’s

@Sleepy_spartan717 2 месяца назад

The feel of the videos definitely isn’t the same without vin and hert there. The energy isn’t as high. But awesome match up either way.

@zzmr_stretchzz8772 2 месяца назад

yea garry literally carries these videos and it still not enough.

@brendanmccarthy492 2 месяца назад

A good match up? Lol maybe if he unplugged one of the spark plugs than it would be a better race 😂

@danielspecht993 2 месяца назад

Its like Vin and the other took all the hyping up with them when they left, feels like its all skripted

@Sleepy_spartan717 2 месяца назад

When I said match up, I meant the people. Not the cars lol.

@joeym.9868 Месяц назад

I was literally thinking wow the energy in this video feels off.

@travisslion5006 2 месяца назад

About time yall got a proper DSM!!!!

@GabrielFH02 2 месяца назад

Fr !

@longtailrally780 2 месяца назад

Congrats to Ronnie on the win!! Great race and a sick ass DSM! 👏

@longtailrally780 2 месяца назад

@@GhostActual206 you realize you’re talking to the store bought pleb, right?

@Jistarii 2 месяца назад

That Talon is amazing man. Well done building that

@brendanmccarthy492 2 месяца назад

I wonder how he built that auto transmission. That’s fckin awesome this thing would be a monster in no prep.

@TRIFLING_DYSON 2 месяца назад

The interviewer for that car was weeeeak.... 😂 that disappointed. That car handled that mclaren 😅

@calebyingling6286 2 месяца назад

stock motor with turbo and nos... they come crazy from the factory. That transmission is something else though...

@easternrider2119 2 месяца назад

Thank you💪🏽

@easternrider2119 2 месяца назад

@@brendanmccarthy492 I Uprdaded clutches, straight cut transfer gears, welded center diff, shift kit in the VB with pressures cranked up, wired so it has to be manually shifted and 100% line pressure all the time, and a good converter

@neukin 2 месяца назад

Talon was a classic sleeper, thang was nasty back in the day and still is today.

@Prodigy70 2 месяца назад

I take mines to my local meets and barely anyone knows what it is lol

@stephenstevens4153 2 месяца назад

Basically a Canadian gt 3000 ain't they?

@dddddyyn 2 месяца назад

@@stephenstevens4153No. The Talon is a first gen eclipse, same as a Plymouth Laser. The dodge stealth is what you are thinking about with the 3000gt.

@FraserImageTV 2 месяца назад

With a chute I knew it wasn’t a sleeper come on 😂😂😂

@neukin 2 месяца назад

@@stephenstevens4153 na the Talon was basically a 89-94 Mitsubishi Eclipse

@violinmiata 2 месяца назад

DSM for the win!!! Had a 91 tsi awd, 16g, EVO 3 everything. Man I miss that car!

@sfox84 2 месяца назад

Had the same car, same turbo etc. Ran 12.9@106mph

@tommybrown9434 2 месяца назад

90 gsx eclipse bout the same setup big16 g turbo man it was wicked!! Miss mine as well

@dirtmcgirt0420 2 месяца назад

I had a 96 tsi fwd, all the go fast parts. That car was an absolute rocket. Broke a timing belt and the engine was never right again. Rebuilt it twice. Man, I miss that car.

@duramaxdad 2 месяца назад

I bought a built 99 eclipse turbo vert from a guy in Vegas for Ma wife. I loved that car. When it built boost u could hurt feelings or stick a gurl in the passenger seat and she would ask u to fight her box later.

@josephlaviolette146 2 месяца назад

91 black and sliver TSi (best looking 1g DSM IMO) 16g on 19psi pump, wally 255, supra side mount, boucher 3", shep stage 2 trans, act 2600 + lightweight flywheel, HKS SSQV, old school Apexi AFC, DSMLink ECU and a lot of other lat 90's early 2ks mods. Lots of weight reduction. High 11 second car, looked bone stock with no FMIC (minus the exhaust)

@shouldbetrailered9046 2 месяца назад

McLaren got the hit twice! And the talon chased him down both times. That’s pretty awesome

@turbo_brian 2 месяца назад

Dude in the talon was like "awww hell nawwwww"

@marcusclarkson2657 2 месяца назад

@@GhostActual206 an actual race would have corners in it. That's how you see who the mechanics are vs the real racers.

@marcusclarkson2657 Месяц назад

@@_-Montana-_ right I do realize that and it's fun. But one can be taught to do it in a relatively short time compared to actually getting 10/10 out of a car on a course and doing everything quickly, not stopping as soon as there's a bend. Whether built or bought, there is a wide gulf in skill required between the two and although pro drag guys are " real " racers, there are " real " racers who may not be able to rebuild an engine but can push that car to its limits in more than a straight line. That's when you can actually see which is the more capable machine in practice and not just one aspect.

@Wickit96 2 месяца назад

Came here for the homie Ronnie! Holding it down for us DSM guys, Definitely did your thing brotha

@trestonstehling9701 2 месяца назад

guy lived in Springfield for a while, used to see him out at ORP in Rogersville. Never thought i’d see him on this channel. How’s the 335D? Just picked one up myself!

@Wickit96 2 месяца назад

@@trestonstehling9701 yeah I was happy to see he moved back here, definitely love seeing it at the drag strip locally, the diesel is doin good tho 💪🏽 still getting daily driven and playing with cars on the freeway haha

@Wickit96 2 месяца назад

@@trestonstehling9701 definitely recommend a tune and delete to start 🫡

@Bryan2.0411 2 месяца назад

I knew that Talon was going to spank. Those DSM car's used to run things back in the 90's and early 2000's. 👍🏽

@Bryan2.0411 2 месяца назад

Those 4g63 engines go back to the Mitsubishi Galant VR4. That car was their unicorn car.

@neilwarwick22 2 месяца назад

You know what you guys should do is time the runs and at end of the season bring back the fastest 4-6 cars and run them against each other as I don’t think I’ve seen you do that yet

@uurkisme 2 месяца назад

I'm just here for the DSM. 1ga ftw.

@vincentscalia7348 2 месяца назад

Beautiful Eagle Talon , It's been along time since I've seen one !!🎉

@davidjernigan8161 2 месяца назад

Even with drag radials and all wheel drive the eagle was hunting for traction. Crazy.

@brendanmccarthy492 2 месяца назад

Drop the psi to 10 or 8 he won’t spin as much.

@Javierm0n0 2 месяца назад

He needs a little more aero for unprepped it looks like.

@VGMO17 2 месяца назад

That thing is nuts

@easternrider2119 2 месяца назад

@@brendanmccarthy492it had 10psi rear and 11 front

@Laylander 2 месяца назад

Dusty unprepped track.

@colbyhann1808 2 месяца назад

That Eagle Talon though holyyyyyyyyyy

@LxMustangMan50 2 месяца назад

Its incredible how fast that Talon got around the Mclaren both times. Made it look like the Mclaren was standing still.

@longtailrally780 2 месяца назад

Thing is a MONSTER.

@Rttuning 2 месяца назад

So glad to see the Talon take it.

@baddaddybrady2 2 месяца назад

Gary” can u make it pop out”. HR approved????❤😂

@4g63spoolin5 2 месяца назад

4g63 babyyyyyy, my boy Ronnie went out there put on for us dsm boys ! Now it’s my turnto come beat up on some super car 😊😊

@duramaxdad 2 месяца назад

How he get the turbo to light? Nitrous I assume. My bolt on eclipse had nothing till after 3k rpm and stock redline came up fast.

@4g63spoolin5 2 месяца назад

Yes a little nitrous to spool it up off the line

@darkenforcer1651 2 месяца назад

DSM 4g63t power baby... 30 plus years later still kickin ass cheeeee i still get 2 of em both 1GA and i love em 🤙🏾

@schotzfired 2 месяца назад

Man they ruined this channel

@AberdeenPass Месяц назад

Why?

@dont_at_me__ Месяц назад

@@AberdeenPass hosts know little to nothing about cars, they have little likeability, ask dumb questions, etc

@fourseven6202 Месяц назад

plus sponsored electric dumb fake ahh "races"@@dont_at_me__

@BlurtzScribbletitsCEO 2 месяца назад

Hoonigan is dying. All the life has left. Got love for Gary, Zack, and Micah but the hoonigan energy aint there anymore. Its sad man.

@Krawl913 2 месяца назад

Talons were no joke back in the day. Still solid. Love it.

@AlteredCarbons 2 месяца назад

imo that talon was probable my fav car you guys had on here so far. its everything i dreamed of in a car

@foxon172 2 месяца назад

Its just not the same anymore...

@jimsiggy 2 месяца назад

Speaking about the Eagle Talon, Gary said: "It's actually an American car.", NO! It's actually a Japanese car, a rebadged Mitsubishi Eclipse to be precise, no matter where it was assembled, its roots are Japanese.

@longtailrally780 2 месяца назад

Actually it’s DSM which is a collaboration between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. So it’s half American and half import.

@YTisDumb 2 месяца назад

Alot of the talon/eclipe/laser platform was taken from Mitsubishi, but famous Chrysler designer Dennis Myles also had a hand in the design.

@MrRyanxdavey 2 месяца назад

It's a USDM car, not sold in Japan, from a partnership between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. It's more American than Japanese no matter how you slice it

@ThePaperRobotChannel Месяц назад

Designed and produced in USA, for US market only, by a Japan-US collaboration. If it looks American, sounds American and smells American, it is American.

@user-jl7hx1zz6d 2 месяца назад

DSMs still putting work! I still got my 2G GS-T baby!!!

@GabrielFH02 2 месяца назад

Me too! Lol I love it

@JEGSHighPerformance 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the JEGS wheel shoutout at 4:12 - putting the power down!

@DoctorMotorcycle 2 месяца назад

Nice! 1G DSM was my first car ever, drove the hell out of my '93 1GB but always thought the 1GA's looked cooler w/pop up lights.Trolled a LOT of people back then with that car doing digs, I re-wired the fuel pump, had a Catless Turboback exhaust and an MBC set to 15psi w/stock 14B turbo. This video is really making me want to buy one again and keep it simple w/16G or 20G, E85 and DSMlink.

@sabrom 2 месяца назад

Georjah and Gary make a good ass team great energy and both are appealing to the eye.

@phillipdridge9775 2 месяца назад

Great video guys, you got the editing just about right his time. ❤❤

@Scrildo1 2 месяца назад

Now that’s a proper representation of the DSM platform unlike that 2nd gen a while back.

@shonuff3494 2 месяца назад

This makes me miss my old 91 Talon. Gotta love a well built DSM.

@longtailrally780 2 месяца назад

If you can’t beat them, join them! Just bought a 1G DSM on BaT this morning 😂😂😂

@__GMA__ 2 месяца назад

Diamond star for the win. Tbh never thought the Maclaren would keep up

@teabee44 2 месяца назад

My cousin had a 96 tsi awd talon and that thing was wild. He eventually fell into the inevitable break-build-repeat and I lost contact with him in the early 2000s but I can 100% credit him for my healthy addition for racing.

@ShirahamaNeo-Tokyo 2 месяца назад

Ever going to address what happened to the Compton shop? Is this the only content we can expect from Hoonigan going forward?

@44GTmustang 2 месяца назад

DDE owns it now

@alxpolm8945 2 месяца назад

Bro, they already did. Go watch it.

@itsameyaboi 2 месяца назад

The Talon's engine bay looks EXACTLY the safe as the Need for Speed Underground opening, where they x-ray under the hood 💪🔥

@themuffinman25 2 месяца назад

i feel like the mclaren driver really thought he was suppose to leave when gary raised his arms instead of dropping them, if he was trying to jump he was not being sly, though the 2nd pass it did seem like Gary really was waiting if he was gonna drop his arms. I agree with the crew the 1st pass it wasn't his fault. Even with the hit both times mclaren got WALKED, love to see it.

@TheSupermonkeymaster 2 месяца назад

That's a clean dsm.

@mrmongo6722 2 месяца назад

Got to love it the all wheel drive Eagle Talon kicked some McLaren ass!

@NateSnyder73 2 месяца назад

That tiny lil Bert kreischer edit on the pop up screen was hilarious😂😂

@morrisonfabrications 2 месяца назад

Daaaamn!! Great showing Ronnie! Huge smile each time you drove around the McLaren.

@SlammedZero 2 месяца назад

That DSM is sick. I love it. Always had a soft spot for the 1G.

@1gawdtsi 2 месяца назад

Let's see more of this talon!!!! DSM baby!!!!

@_Ezio__Auditore_ 2 месяца назад

GREAT race! We've been missing a good one, outside of the off-roading, for a while! (still pretty uneven but at least it is the underdog/build car that gapped a stock car and not the other way around) But COME ON!!! You gave more time to talking about a stock car than to the AMAZING DSM build. Mike is great, but we can see the 765LT just about anywhere else...give the custom/unique content more love, this is supposed to be HOONIGAN!

@Grimpurple_minion99 2 месяца назад

I got a handed to you guys. At least you guys are giving more information about the cars in this video and that I appreciate. you guys actually showed a picture of the engine at least on the Eagle Talon, getting better.

@Perceivedshift 2 месяца назад

That DSM was a monster! Sad I don't see many around anymore.

@julioangel1839 2 месяца назад

I knew the talon was gonna kill him I had a 95 with about 400hp bought not built by me and I whooped so many more powerful cars with it. This cars are amazing

@RMurph222 2 месяца назад

We need more of this talon! That car is nasty!

@markroberts9225 2 месяца назад

That's why my big turbo 90 talon tsi puts a big smile on my face every time I drive it.a well built dsm is nasty.

@samm8538 2 месяца назад

As someone who's owned a few DSM's I can say i'm well pleased by the outcome :) I wish I still had my DSM's

@Spooky-ek3kf 2 месяца назад

Ronnie!!! Good friend of mine from Southern California. Local BMX legend from the 951.

@rickhavern2927 Месяц назад

Had a 93 Talon TSi, got transfered to the UK, couldn't afford parts this side of the pond and had to sell it. Damn good looking and performing vehicle, shame I couldn't keep it. Great to see people running them to there potential.

@KanjoNights 2 месяца назад

Hell yeah, Ronnie! Nicely done man. He's a good dude, and a respected member of the DSM community. I expect a lot of us will be chiming in here lol.

@matthewbranco839 2 месяца назад

The boi Ronnie representing!!!!!!!!

@Prodigy70 2 месяца назад

I had the black color on my 1g Talon, but I got it repainted to the factory Black Cherry. The black always looks good on them though 🔥.

@fredlamberg 2 месяца назад

I cannot wait until you guys get a new burn-yard and start doing build interviews again. On a different note: that Eagle is sick AF!

@kisse1987 2 месяца назад

are they not moving away from that content? Why would they leave the old burnyard for a new one?

@arekjohnson2019 2 месяца назад

Wheel pros don’t give a shit about things like that. The days of genuine Hoonigan content at any yard or shop is most likely not coming back and even if it does, I doubt they will have their own space. They’re gonna go to the OG guys shops and use their faces for brand repair.

@fredlamberg 2 месяца назад

@@kisse1987 hopefully I am not mistaken but I heard on a video one of the guys saying that they moved out of Compton. Not sure if they moved into another building.

@kisse1987 2 месяца назад

@@fredlamberg yeah I think DDE is just sub-leasing their shop, I might be mistaken?

@jimrustle643 2 месяца назад

@@fredlambergwow, you're really behind in news. WheelPros fired/laid off all the shop staff, emptied out the burnyard, sold it, then never addressed it as they hoped everyone wouldn't notice. Daily Driven Exotics bought the burnyard and renamed it "The Block" in Ken's honor, something that WheelPros never had any interest in doing for a fallen man. Suppy and the garage crew; fired by WheelPros for nothing, did them all dirty. Danger Dan; gone and now at RTR. Nads; gone. Vin; gone. Hert; gone. Scotto; gone. The only people left are Gary (who is probably the only one worth watching at this point), Zack, Micah, and Georjah....who in my opinion adds absolutely nothing to the channel or the dynamic as she's just a decoration/eye candy peice. We're watching the slow death of HOONIGAN in real time.

@cristianvazquez8131 2 месяца назад

Been waiting for you guys too drop your vlog, and OnDGas can drop there’s. Been waiting on that fire 🔥 content of both of y’all

@scottshanklin5533 2 месяца назад

King Gary luv ya bro you an Hooligan keep up the great work

@RadRaf 2 месяца назад

That talon was putting in work!!! Great Job to driver and car!

@jbullfrog81jw 2 месяца назад

Short to the point you get my thumbs up every time.

@stkiswr 2 месяца назад

What a glorious dsm! I owned a 90 awd tsi and a 97 awd tsi. Both were awesome. I still say I’ll have another one day

@ztwntyn8 2 месяца назад

I love old dsm turbo. I worked on the hood ones the mid late 90s talon, eclipse and once a duster. They ran pretty well but respond to mods like a mug. At the time I thought they were junk though. I was early 20s in that era at the dealer as a mechanic.

@stitch438 2 месяца назад

One of the cleanest looking built Talon's I've seen, well done.

@MrZilla500 2 месяца назад

oh man, proper built vs bought. Love me a DSM, hurt many feeling with one in the early 2ks.

@Garage.Built_ 2 месяца назад

This one got me pumped to finish my 1GB and 1GA DSM builds, 4G63T FTW🔥💪

@bharathnaveen8870 2 месяца назад

Ive never thought a 765lt would loose like that. That talon makes it look easy damn!

@Whateverpoopiepants 2 месяца назад

And the wheels were trash 😂

@joshualudwin3086 2 месяца назад

My boy Ronnie out here killing it. Congrats Bro

@irradiatedgrog 2 месяца назад

always wanted an eagle talon growing up around 2000

@Y0shimitsuu 2 месяца назад

I’m still enjoying these videos man, yeah its different but duh of course its gonna feel different a lot of shit happened and everyone’s just tryna carry on and give us weekly content that STILL it’s banging!

@dannyjr7997 2 месяца назад

I had an eagle talon years ago. Man this one is so bad azz!

@skippysvr4586 2 месяца назад

Finally, a REAL DSM. OG Supercar slayer.

@seanjohntwild 2 месяца назад

Man do I miss my 91 Eagle Talon....😢

@Rawhill775 2 месяца назад

“ you got some gauges in here “ my boy don’t know shit about what he’s looking at 😂😂😂

@tazman98ify 2 месяца назад

5:02 okay ngl, you guys rebounded hard off your community’s feedback. This was a cool ahh change I appreciate.

@donellmecca.booker5969 2 месяца назад

the shoot was to keep him straight as he stood on those brakes..lol. i drive a 500hp dsm and i love how people under estimate, cuz old car . but a well maintained and built dsm is a weapon mine is built for back rouds/touge used to be a drifter but got priced out. i just do it for the love now. next to the FD the dsm is my favorite of the legends. will always love an s13 though.

@CarloYT030 2 месяца назад

Damn that Talon ist insane! What a dream car🎉

@BlessByYou777 2 месяца назад

It's hard to pick who's the winner. I always wrong😅. I thought the black Ferrari guy win it this time cause his McLaren is so dope.

@zackklapman3569 2 месяца назад

That Talon is serrrrrious holy moly. Murdered the McLaren in first and had three more gears to bask in the glory. Whoa.

@danny1smith 2 месяца назад

Hoonigan getting a lot of heat recently but this was sick!

@502jackal 2 месяца назад

I've been waiting on a Mitsubishi that wasn't a Evo or any DSM on here forever. Good shit

@Jeeplee_rc 2 месяца назад

Man I had one of those talons sitting rotting away for years right down the street whenever I lived at home as a kid.. I should go see if it's finally for sale 😅 it was a really cool blue color

@onetiretom8640 2 месяца назад

And they stay there had me rollin!

@jaronjohnson5175 2 месяца назад

I've race against the eagle onec in a 3.0 2001 maximum it was a blast I luv them things ❤

@o.gbobbyjohnson6765 2 месяца назад

First dope car stereo I “acquired” as a hound dirt bag was outa a talon lol. Good ole piece of ceramic from a spark plug v window

@dublkrossr2059 2 месяца назад

Aaahh yes. I've been hoping to see a awd twin turbo Talon or a Conquest TSI. Basically some of both. Nice

@aaronliddell4280 2 месяца назад

That Talon would be fun to see run against the Hoonicorn!!!

@DriftJourneyz 2 месяца назад

Some of yall need to relax yall come with the intent of saying hoonigans changed, been watching for 8 years now and i still LOVE THE CONTENT stop being butthurt and do better since yall are quality control

@NafaratMiyaMiya 2 месяца назад

Love the footage of that beautiful plane! maybe more footage or a bonus video for the guys and gals who love planes & cars 0_o

@shawnadams1965 2 месяца назад

I always wanted a talon back when they were new. I was like "NO WAY!" when I read the title and clicked right away.

@plnkfloydian7814 2 месяца назад

I used to live next to a guy with a built talon and it was pretty wild

@Goonie90gsx 2 месяца назад

1G DSM FTMFW!! Good shit Ronnie💪🏻💪🏻

@anondoge8358 2 месяца назад

I just miss daily transmission in the burn yard in Compton, those were the days

@markmonroe7330 2 месяца назад

Love that Talon. Please bring it back for some more races. It made the McLaren look like a 67 slant six Valiant.

@gixx3r 2 месяца назад

Wooooo talon! I had hope for it when I saw it was an auto 👏 party🎉

@taylormwilson1 2 месяца назад

Thank you for not making ANOTHER garbage electric car commercial out of this vs that. Newby needs to brush up on car things 😂 seeing that the talon, laser and eclipse were state side with the 4g63 WAY before the EVO