Buying and Testing the Cooke Mogul Locomotive in Railroads Online! 

Air brakes in rail terms are actually better than the clamp breaks, this is because each rail carriage is connected by air pipes, when the breaks are put on the vacuum is released and a piston in each rail car will apply the breaks, meaning your whole train is breaked. I have no idea if this adds up to what’s in the game tho. 😂

Kan The next locomotive you should buy is a geared locomotive like the shay They aren’t very fast but they can pull everything

It makes no sense that Betsy is as powerful as a locomotive that is probably 3 times as expensive

if you go for the class 70, just beware that it hates tight curves. mogul does too, but to a lesser extent than the class 70 btw the porters apparently are gonna get a nerf (actually based on historical accuracy, not game balance) that will cut their tractive effort in half, which is more in line with the actual IRL basis for those porters

A) At 26:00 just split the train and take half up and leave it, then go back and get the other half. It's called doubling the hill and real railroads do it. B) 6% is way too steep C) The problem with Betsy isn't that she's "too powerful" it's that it appears to have WAY too much adhesion. Betsy is much lighter than one of the bigger locos, so the friction force between Betsy and the rail is lower, meaning she can't transmit as much force to the rail as a heavier engine could. So a real life Betsy might be able to move a lot of cars around a rail yard on flat ground where all she's doing is overcoming the rolling resistance of the cars. But on any kind of grade, she'd start slipping very quickly under load because of her low weight and adhesion. Sand improves adhesion, but so does weight on the driving wheels.

Howdy Kan, You have to use the cylinder cocks when you start moving the engine as water can condense in the cylinders slowing your ability to move. Also please check that you didn't leave your tender breaks on. Love the content can't wait for the next episode.

Just a tip Kan. Curves will automatically slow a train down and curves with inclines will slow you way down. I have seen it done before even with fully loaded 10 or 12 cars but they had straighter track. Also remember that even though your engine is on flat ground. The rest isn’t and it then have to pull it up a hill or as more cars goes up then the weight the train have to lift goes up

I left the brakes on for the tender by accident and was really disappointed in the Cooke's performance for a bit until I figured it out. My max grade is a 4.5% and it pulls 12 car trains all over with no problem now.

I'm exited for the future of this game. I'm gonna list what I'm exited for. 1. Larger maps 2. Other rail gauges (this is all narrow gauge, afaik) 3. More reasons to build switching yards, to assemble trains. 4. Additional industries. 5. Additional settings 6. Cog railways 7. More complicated trackwork (odd crossovers, dual-gauge, exotic switches, etc.) 8. Later tech eras 9. Passengers

kAN, The more curves there are and the tighter they are, the worse any train will perform because curves GREATLY increase friction on the wheels, but in the "waste through heat" kind of friction, not the "going forward" kind. That and sand does not help with power and going forwards, it helps only to reduce wheel slip if you ever encounter it.

The second engine is called a "Remote". You can attach it at the front, or in the middle for long trains. The MAIN thing to keep in mind is that the Remote is an assistant. The Remote should be using minimal power while the lead engine does the majority of the work. On modern trains, they control the Remotes from the lead engine, but given the way this game works, it will be much more difficult. Without someone to assist, you probably have to put Betsy up front, behind Cooke

Hey Kan, there’s already a railroad named the “SRC” called the Strasburg railroad. Just thought you’d like to know you share your name with another railroad :)

Sander increases grip, not power. It's worthless to use sander, if you are not struggling with grip, and so far I barely ever have noticed any real slip.

The Heisler (pronounced Hi-slur) is a geared engine with TONS of wheelslip due to torque, but very low top speed. Sand will be required, but is an engine that will make it up your 6% grade. The cooke is good for flat ground and high speeds.

There is actually a huge thing you guys can do to not waste so much water while driving your trains. And that is to reduce your cutoff (Called "reverser" in game.) when at speed. TL;DR at the bottom of this comment, *and when I say "High" or "Low" I'm refering to how close the sliders in game are to 100% (High) and 0% (Low) respectively.* You see, steam trains have two throttles. One called the "regulator" which is used to regulate the pressure of the steam being injected into the driving cylinders. And one called the "cutoff" which controls how long you're injecting steam into the driving cylinders. With the cutoff set very high, you're spending most of the piston's travel injecting steam. Keeping the pressure pushing against the piston high even when the piston is nearing the end of its travel. This gives you quite a lot of power at low speeds. And spreads said power out quite evenly across the pistons travel, so you're way less likely to get wheel slip. Which makes a high cutoff great for when the train is standing still, or at a *very* low speed. But as your train starts to pick up speed, you should reduce the cutoff. (Though never past 0% unless you need to slow down fast. You should probably understand why...) As injecting steam near the end of the pistons travel isn't efficent, as that steam gets very little time to actually do any work before being vented out of the cylinder for the piston's return stroke. So to avoid just wasting that steam, you should be running the train with a higher regulator and lower cutoff to avoid wasting steam at higher speeds. You should only really need to increase the cutoff if you are slowing down or climbing a hill. Otherwise it is just a waste of steam. And assuming that this game does simulate the time it takes for the cylinders to vent out the left over steam, your trains might actually go even faster if you reduce the cutoff, due to their being less steam left over at the end to vent out. TL;DR. Steam trains have two throttles, the regulator and the cutoff. (Called "reverser" in game.) These together determine how much power your train can deliver. But the cutoff has a different effect on the train performance depending on how high it is set. The higher it is set compared to the regulator, the more smooth the power delivery will be, which reduces the risk of losing traction. Making it excelent for getting the train and its cargo to start moving. But the lower it is set, the less steam will be wasted as the train moves, by only injecting steam into the driving cylinders when it would be the most efficient. This can also result in the train being able to achive a higher top speed. How you should be driving a steam train, is to have high cutoff at the start, but a much lower cutoff once the train has started moving.

start at the iron Mine and do a line 3% heading back down the mountain. the Cooke will then pull your cars with no problem, otherwise hey the Heilser

From what I understand, the Eureka, Mogul, etc are all faster than Betsy, but have less torque. You need one of the geared locomotives for raw pulling power.

What you should do at some point is add runaround tracks and small storage yards at each of the industries, get a couple extra porters and have them handle switching duties at the industries while the Mogul takes goods along the main line.

I build a constant 2% track from the iron mine to the saw mill on the western side of the valley. Some curves still need smoothing, but I can bring 12 cars with my Mogul up the mountain at 50% reg and down on 11% brakes.

You need to re-grade the route. if you use longer stretches of constant grade, you can run the same route with under 4.5% grade. I have done 9 full cars with Eureka to the Iron mine on that same route by using longer grades at lower percentage.

I guess Betsy was trying to push the Mogul there as it ran out of steam and speed. This only works if the front Loco has more than 50% of the power distribution.Big engines still have the advantage you don't have to refill them every trip. Doing Ironmine runs with a class 70 and the wood lasts forever and water for a handfull of trips.

Few issues: 6% is a near impossible grade. You need to use a geared locomotive for that like the Heisler, Climax or Shay. That’s what they’re designed for. You need to run the compressor to power the air brakes for the tender. You will see you lose air brake pressure throughout the journey - gently applying more and more brakes when you’re trying to pull. You never removed the manual brakes on the tender at any point, which are on by default. You were fighting your own brakes to climb. The mogul should have otherwise done that journey. Betsy is getting nerfed, it’s too powerful. But it also is meant to be powerful as it’s an industrial shunter - but it’s slow and has no capacity.

In me an my buddies shared world, we have the Cooke pulling 38 log cars up a max of 2% grade on a max of 15 degree corners. Our loops are stupid long, but we do have the advantage of pulling much much longer engines.

i love how the controls work, you can basically play this game with just your mouse and WASD also don’t worry kAN, they’re gonna nerf betsy

Idea: Use different engines for different roles. For example: use the heavier engines with more firewood/water storage for long, flat crossmap runs, and use the Betsy or other insanely strong locomotives for steep inclines.

It makes no sense why they made Betsy so powerful. It makes buying more expensive trains pointless. Yes you want new players to have fun, but then what? Realistically it should pull maybe 2-3 carts

Straightline Rail Co. ( At least we try :) ). Keep flinging wood in the furnace, that iron won't move by itself. Thanks for sharing your videos.

the smart thing to do is keep the rails at a 3 degree grade, and yes i know that'll make the foundations too tall, so if some of them is too tall, then use bridges

Hey Kan, did you check if the Tender brakes were engaged when you had troubles going up to the iron mine? Always happens to me with the Mogul.Without any brakes on I can go up there quite easily

According to the stats in the purchase window, the porter has less tractive force than the Mogul. This takes into account the wheel size, and all other differences in the steam engine itself. It's the literal tonnage pull measured at the draw bar/coupler. By those numbers Mogul should have won the tug-o-war. I have a guess that the Betsy is a bit "beefed up" so you have pulling power to begin making money in the beginning of the game. My only problem with the Mogul is that all the reflective surfaces on the engine slow down the frame rate of a mediocre graphics card. The game runs fine in high and "epic" settings as long as the engine is not in the camera view. ... and 5000 gallons of water weighs 41,650 lbs or 20.8 tons. (1 gal (fresh) water = 8.33 lbs) but I haven't noticed any performance changes depending on water levels.

my great grandfather was an engineer for the boston and maine railroad back in the 1930s. my grandfather said that whenever he was in the cab of the locomotive, he would light a cigarette by touching it to the firebox door

Kan: nice and slow, doesn't seem like we're out of control Meanwhile the tender's behind him doin' the Boot Scootin' Boogie.

I am no physicist or Train driver but I feel going into climbs at speed full regulator would be much more effective instead of being conservative then applying more reg as you slow down.

Bigger locomotives are heaver leading to more tractive effort, which means it can pull More without wheelslip.

Betsy is the real MVP you can never get rid of her cuz there's nothing better

A tip for when you go to the coal mine is make your way through the valley next to the river and then when you get to the coal you will realize it is a little ways up a mountain so just walk up to the coal mine and to one side there should be a path like the one you used for the iron mine and I am pretty sure it is mostly if not all 3 percent grade

Crazy to how a small train is stronger than a huge one. XD

I think you should rerun that track. looks cool and took you two realtime days (i get it) but grades are generally 1 percent or less. Anything over 3 is super rare or has a specifically designed train to run on it. Betsy just feels like a cheat mode. But thanks for the cool videos.

Kan, I don't know if anyone has said this before, but that cab design where the firebox extends right to the back is prototypical to some real engines. It's called a 'deckless cab', but the only engines I remember having that cab were the Colorado & Southern B4D as well as the New Zealand Railways O and T classes. Incidentally those three were all narrow-gauge 2-8-0s. As an aside, seeing your Railroads Online videos has inspired me to make my own, even though I'm still having trouble sorting out audio levels.

"son of a busted boiler!" Shouted Betsy as the flat beds tumbled down the hill. Captain Cooke could only hiss steam at the scene behind.

SRC 3 looks sooo industrial ( in a good way ) There are good reasons for powerful engines, since its not all about power, but energy too. keep up the good videos c;

I don't think you understand just how steep a 6% grade is for a train... You've been spoiled by Betsy.

what a way to end the video! could you imagine that happening in real life? I'm freaking out over the derailment. Sim looks amazing. nice work.

Before you bought the engine sounds like a good save to revert to

Hey kan, you do know that betsy is a shunting engine ? So they actually need a lot of power and only needs a small amount of wood and water because they are close to their needs

The reverser is like a gear i was told. If the reverser was lower you would have less spoed but more tourqe

Kan, to answer your question, the patch that gave the water towers the GUI also said in patchnotes that water weight was now calculated. The water towers have water "drops" that fall into the tank, and each drop is 100kg.

Betsy: You could not live with your failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me. Captain Cooke: ...

imagine full time servers, that means people will be able to start their own train yard city’s

The videos keep getting better!!!

He had the great idea of snaking up the mountain pass, so since he loves redoing the rails, he should try to knock that 6% down to 5 an wiggle up the mountain pass

I've been using the class 70 a lot lately, it's a good loco, also, with the cooke, i've pulled pretty good consists up grades, it also has a lot of endurance over the porters, which is nice, also, the tender does store extra water that is not showed with the water value in the UI

6% is insanely steep for a cargo train. In the real world incline should be below 1.5% for cargo trains 😀

this one guy pulled 20 cars at like 20% reg the mogul is op just to let you know I’m not saying your bad I really enjoy your videos

The generator (a turbogenerator specifically) in real steam locomotives is for the lights. Some used either no lights or gas lights, and wouldn't have a generator.

I like that one flatbed that went ahead and noped back down the hill

Kan: casually drives train, Some random kid: puts coin on track, Kan: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You have to use the cylinder cocks to climb with a huge engine. I did 8% with the same load and the same engine!

Fabulous "Its not really good to push rail cars" 32:14 "oh my god yeah" 32:17 Great video really enjoyable. (not just the crash)

Tractive force is everything. The Class 70 had over 2000 ft lbs more tractive force than the Cooke.

it's funny, everyone i saw has problems in this part of the map... there are two solutions. 1. get the heißler, very powerful bust slow and a little buggy (climax is slower...). 2. bult it straight. i bult it pretty straight and got no problems with the mogul and 18 full loaded cars on 6% inclimb on around 35% regulator.

Steam engines create the most torque at low RPM so if this game is realistic you should be able to crawl up hill rather than going up fast, if you watch steam engines tractor pulling they all do it at crawling speed.

As a Scot, I put forward that you name it the "Cannie Cook", as in, can not cook, as it would be as equally efficient if it were made of Chocolate.

Realistically industrial engines like Betsy could haul massive loads at slow speeds, they are built for industrial shunting.

Notification squad!

IMO u may as well either go back to the save before u bought the engine so you can get your money back and maybe save up for a different engine either that or have both Betsy and cook out front double heading it.

Not really familiar with the physics of this game, but maybe it it’d be worth it to carry Betsy with you? Could probably just tow it behind the tenders of the bigger trains, then it’d be easy to access when you could use the additional power.

Yes!! I love this series, I recently found your channel because of this game. My father in law works for the railroad and i am debating whether or not this could be a way we could bond with eachother. Past helping eachother out with work tasks like laying fence and random building projects we don't really bother eachother lol I appreciate you inspiring my imagination and look forward with excitement to the next episode. You gained a subscriber, Thank you Brother Kan.

You need to get the climax for the mountains. The climax is the most powerful locomotive in the game, the Climax will break couplers long before you need a helper locomotive. It is best used on routes with massive grades, or as switching locomotives as you can outrun it on foot at full throttle. Yes, it is that slow. Biggest Advantages- Most Powerful Locomotive in game, decent viability. Biggest Disadvantages- Slower than being beaten to death with a pillow, pricey. I did get this from someone else but I thought you should know this

6% grade... that is outrageos. Most railroads will only do 4 max. I think you are expecting the engine to do the impossible.

I mean in real railroad practice, they deal with gradients almost in the way you did here. In my opinion, you shoud set up a small siding at the bottom of the hill and stick either betsy or betsy 2 there so that way you can pull up in a train, stop at the bottom, stick a second engine on the front (another real practice) and go like that all the way along!

Obviously you didn't have much choice with the railroad, but 6% is a huge gradient. That's arround 1 foot up every 16 feet across, while 1 foot up in every 30 is considered very steep in real life.

when are we gonna have the ultimate railroads online collab with kan gaming, kan gaming's brother, kosmo and dapper?

Maybe you could keep the Betsys at the yard and use them as shunters.

Hi Kan. I don’t know if anyone’s already said but if you grab at the weights on the water tower you can bring the pipe straight up/down in one motion instead of your usual clicky grabby method lol. I found this out by accident and has improved my water top ups immensely lol

Captain cook was a man irl in the British navy and “discovered” Australia

I don't know what we're doing different, but I can start my Eureka from a standstill on a 4% with 15 cars of lumber. I use it for my iron mine runs, I have my route done so it stays under 4% for most of it, with a short section of 5% where I had to cut out a particularly sharp S bend. I don't even go full reg, my reg stays under 60% once I get it moving, or I go too fast and derail.

RIP that lumber train. Made for a cool looking wreck though. The Geared locos, ie The Heisler and climax trade top speed for pulling torque, that's why if you push the regulator too much they start to slip, so you have to be more careful to not open it up to quickly. (The Eureka is the opposite, trades torque for speed, so if everything is flat, it should be the best). Unless you want to relay all of your track to the mountain, you might have to just save up for a geared locos. Years of Bethesda game shave taught me to save often and in multiple slots. I'm still surprised at how many people just do something without a save beforehand, especially since the game makes it really easy.

Watching a derail hurts but also hearing the Eureka getting bashed on kinda makes me feel better knowing I was able to make it work for my iron mine runs hauling 16 cars.

There's actually a real life "Capt. Cook" (spelled differently I know, but still.) A captain in the British Royal Navy from 1768-1779, famous for his 3 voyages in the Pacific ocean and to Australia. Also the timing of "it's not really good to push rail-cars..."

Think your aesthetic track laying is working against you here, corners mean more friction.

6 percent is to steep most railways around the world have a max grade 2 - 3 percent new zealand had a railway called the rimutaka incline which used fell engines that had horizontal wheels under the engine that griped a center rail the max grade was 6.6 percentage ran for 3 miles

Legend has it that Betsy is still pushing that car today.

You make my day man, thank you so so much

Devs have confirmed a Betsy nerf for full release of the game

I think they should meassure the engine power in BP - Betsy Power. The Mogul seems to have around 0.75 BP unloaded and 0.45 Betsy Power with cargo

The hill climb is brutal by the looks of things you may just need a Betsy in a siding to act as a banking engine to help bigger trains climb up to the iron mine.

there was a British explorer named Capt. Cook he wasn't the first European to find New Zealand but he is pretty much the reason for British people moving here

This is pretty painful to watch, not gonna lie. It's a 6% grade man, you NEED geared engines. Mainline stuff like the mogul is not meant for steep grades. Also, it's pronounced h*I*sler, not "his"ler

Important detail, the devs need to make big engines powerful not just nerf betsy. They better do it this way.

sheesh Ol Betsy the little freakin engine that could O.O

Station a betsy at the beginning of the slope, so that you have a betsy ready, whenever you get to the slope with a train

mogul does 20+ cars up a max of 3%, higher then that and you struggle with 13 cars

Pretty sure the devs said the Porter 1 is purposely overpowered (for now) but they are going to change it in the future when they get more "starter" engines.

Build a switch off on the iron line, buy another betsy, and park it on the switch off. And if you ever need it, you dont have to run back, only to the switch off.

KAN you could try stoking the fire on the cookie before the steep grades, just a few sticks of wood, keep your temperature high

Only kinda related but Believe it or not modern fire trucks still have a fill tower like the ones used on old steam trains to fill the boiler because back in the day that's how they would fill the tank. Nobody uses them anymore but we still put them in on trucks because they act as a overflow but they could be completely sealed and nobody would notice because everyone fills them from hydrants and from drafting from lakes, rivers and ponds.

So happy for another railroad video

A rough calculation of torque would be something like this: (Boiler pressure * piston surface) / (Wheel radius / Crankshaft radius) Of course, the higher, the better, but it might be slower, it depends on what gives that extra torque. Boiler pressure doesn't decrease speed, but the rest does

I hope they add some of the D&RGW K-class locomotives to this game