I Hired a Brakeman to Run Bigger Gravity Trains in Railroads Online! 

Hey come on kinky track is just... authentic? That's what people are telling me. Evidently I'm going to have to make one good track just to prove I can.... lol! But what was the message?!?!?!?!? :P

The UK used to use something called slip cars on passanger trains. The idea was it allowed an express train to service minor stations.... without stopping. The idea was if you wanted to go to such a station you would sit in the rear car, and at a pre-determined time they'd disconnect the car from the rest of the train, while moving at mainline speed. There would be a brakeman aboard who would then ride the brakes to stop the car in the minor station. They'd have a shunter living at the station which would drag the car off the mainline, and they'd then be collected and run back. The cars we're of course specially designed to allow this to happen.

One of the more famous places that used to send freight cars downhill by gravity was the Tallyllyn railway in Wales. It was a slate railway where at the end of the day, workmen would board the freight cars and ride back down the mountain to home. Obviously they don't do that anymore, but the Tallyllyn still exists as a preservation line still running the original locomotives from the 1860s. So make sure to go visit them when you can

Hyce's message will not go unnoticed, because for once you didn't mention how you need to put a Y section at the lumber mill.

The Oil Car video you saw was a yard in russia, basically its a thing in modern railroads where they send cars down a hill into a yard and switch out tracks to sort the cars going on there own and they use tracks with brakes built in so the cars will go down the tracks into certain siding for trains.

29:02 If you made the loading area sloped enough, you could pull all the cars past the loading area, and leave, they would have to carefully manipulate the brakes to load the cars, then just turn them off and roll away. Meanwhile, in the time it took them to load, you could already basically be at the bottom of the hill, to grab another train.

The next time Kan posts a vid of himself actually making progress in the game is going to be crazy, no one will expect it lol

YOu should have the last 2 carts with the breaks facing eachother, so you can more easily manage the breaks. Do this for both ends, and it won't matter on which side you add the locomotive.

Gravity runs aren’t used on most first class railroads,The last was a 3 2 class railroad in 1907. Nice vid by the way!

An interesting experiment would be to make a gravity fed like that went in a loop. But get a ridiculous amount of train cars and have them go around the entire loop and then make an entire gravity fed rail line.

Kan out of context: "his server is pretty kinky"-kan 2022

lol I cant believe Kan didnt get the joke at 12:25.

The message is Fix Me -H With groundwork and poorly laid 3ft rail for motivation

"his server is very Kinky" -Kan 2022

kAN, something to note about geared locomotives is that due to the placement of the cylinders, the boiler and other critical components compared to the drive shaft and wheels, their center of gravity is much higher than on traditional locomotives. As such, they are far more prone to tipping over on corners at high speeds, which needs to be taken into account when going on sharp corners down steep slopes.

I finally saved up enough to buy the game! And I wanna thank you, and everyone you've had on your server, that inspired me. I'm re-living my childhood Railroad Tycoon days!

Man the views of your friend across the valley really sells this game to me. Imagine being able to schedule train routes and such by idk, recording your own runs.. watching trains coast along the mountainsides at your speeds with your amount of brake or engines and whistles etc.. that'd be so cool!

The Ffestiniog Railway in North Wales was built as a gravity railway. Trains of empty waggons would be hauled by a horse up to the slate mines, and the horse would ride back in a special waggon called a "dandy waggon" at the back of the train. In later years, when the line got steam locomotives and passenger cars, the empty waggons would hang off the back of an uphill passenger train, then the full waggons would come back by gravity, and the loco would haul the passenger train back without waggons. The line was built on a constant 1 in 80 gradient for this reason.

The first railways were all gravity down, horses up. The brakemen on the cars would only get paid for the downhill run, but were paid very well, then they would hook up horses to haul the carts back up the hill/mountain to take more mined resources down to the ports where boats were waiting (sometimes river port with smaller intermediate boats which would sail down the river and transfer to a larger boat for actual proper transport wherever the material was going). Others have already pointed out how this changed with the coming of steam traction.

Building a line up that gorge from the smelter to the logging camp is quite a challenge to keep the grade low. There are two passes over the mountain to choose from and no room to make "switch backs" I did it with a 3.5% grade but it took a bit of a dog-leg around the smelter valley to come down the last 5 or so meters in elevation. On the other side if you follow the terrain down the western side of the map, you can get down to the logging camp with a 2% grade. It's especially *cool* to watch your train come down the line on the cliff side of the gorge, and a couple of places where it might take a "dev bridge" to make it look realistic. ... a real building challenge!

Kan: Its kinky over there Dapper: Oh is it now??? 🤣🤣🤣

i really appreciate the more frequent uploads c:

Wow! look at that gravity line! 😁. Super Cool Man!

I wacht this on two screens simultaneously and that was amazing. It gave both an visit on your page. Nice thinking 👍

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love this format, I already watched Dappers vid, now watching this

dammit your becoming a real narrow gauge boss

I just watch dappas vesion both perspectives r very cool

Push 7-10 empties up while pulling same number. Load the front and send it down with a brakeman. Load the back and drive it down like normal. By the time you get to the bottom the gravity train should be empty and waiting, so just empty the rear and repeat. Essentially this would be like running a double-long train with faster load/unload.

On a line near me that until safety rules stopped it, used gravity trains alot. They would use one uncoupled locomotive at the downhill end, shove the train of empties to the top and past the loading point. Then the locomotive would run back to the bottom light engine and get the next lot ready, while the wagons were rolled and stopped repeatedly until fully loaded. Then it would be brakes off and make it's decent down the hills.

Last vid you said you dated yourself, however I am firmly in the yen Z, but I also played with trains and your content is my favorite to watch on RU-vid (specifically fail roads online), so thanks kAN, for the joy you give. 😊

Reallife gravity lines: I saw a german documentary about a gravity line used for shunting. They drive the incoming train up a hill on one end of the shunt yard. Then they let the cars run down one by one and just pull the switches needed to get them on the right line where the train to the next destination is being assembled. It's a pretty delicate process, as you don't want to damage the cars and the freight in the process. Ingame gravity line: The gravity run in the game would only be profitable as gravity run if you could pull empty cars up at the maximum capacity of the engine and if you could release them immediately after they are loaded. But since you still need the engine to bring the filled hoppers to the decline it's not really possible. If you pull up that many empty hoppers to the iron mine, you would need to disconnect the train, push a few full cars at a time to the decline and let them wait there until you can connect all the hoppers together to let them run down the hill as one train. If you want to build a really functional gravity line ingame you need to start the decline directly where the cars are loaded (I don't even know if the map allows for that) and it would optimally be a smooth track with only minimal changes in the rate of descent if you want to run it without a brakeman. At least that would be how I understand the game mechanics as a non-player and viewer only.

Look up the documentary called "Full Steam Ahead", the first episode shows a gravity line. It's pretty cool. Love your videos, and I enjoy your shannanagins.

One of the more famous gravity railroads in the States was the Mauch Chunk Switchback Railway in what’s now Jim Thorpe, PA. Coal hoppers were hoisted to the top of the mountain, loaded then released to ride back down. In the later years they even had some people riding on the cars. Some say the railway inspired more than a few roller coasters

kAN hires the king of derailing, king doesn't derail, kAN derails twice :P

There are still railroads that use gravity for some shunting and sorting, also with gravity lines there would have been 2 cars on cables on 2 lines so the heavy loaded cars at the top of the grade would "pull" the empty cars back up the grade and vice versa so no locomotives were needed, also i dont know if they did it with narrow (or standard) guage train cars but i know they did it with mine carts

Gravity track might make sense with some planning. Like take beams and lumber to iron mine and bring empty iron cars with them. Then send iron cars down with gravity and train takes the plank cars back. Then when you take cordwood to smelter you bring the empty iron cars back to sawmill so they are waiting for the next time you bring woodstuff to iron mine.

Breakmen no lnoger have to do quite that, use to work at a rail yard, now they are usually the ones making couplings, throwing switches, etc etc. I don't miss working at a railroad, but was always cool seeing the locomotives come and go and how the trains were made up. Will never miss all the snooting though

This looks pog

I really did enjoy this game up until 2 days ago, Had a massive crash that sent 3 reports back to back. Forced me to restart my pc and now all my games lag and it wont even load up my 2nd monitor, its basically fried my gpu. I guess that's what happens with Alpha / Beta games. Watching you play this is now my only way to truly enjoy this game

Think you could do it with more carts: I don't know the numbers, but the engine brakes can brake for, let's say x fully loaded carts downhill. But the engine can carry x + y empty carts uphill which is more, than what it can carry downhill. So the gravity takes y carts and the engine takes x downhill, so you don't waste potential. You will need the engine afterwards anyways.

I watched a video some time ago. A old one in black/white it show a "Training Video" for railroad employees, i guess. "Bundesbahn-Lehrfilme Rangierdienst" Its in german only, i doesnt know if its the same work in your country and was very interesting for me to see how it was back in time. In the old times gravity was used for shunting cause trains are very expensive and rare. So they shoved the cars over a slight hill and they run down and the station-worker had to stop them with stop blocks, no wagon break or something else. A high risk job i guess.

At the Smelter - you had 36 when the cars arrived. I thought that you missed one that fell at the steps on the 6th Ore Car (I believe) but none were missed on the drop since you had 106 at the end. I've watched it from both sides and Dapper's view is amazing. it added so much with the multiplayer gitters. There was a rail line that was gravity for I think it was 2 miles and the empties were taken back to the mine with mule teams sincde the company didn't own a loco. They did end up getting a locomotive to be more efficient.

When Dapper started talking about that bumpy rail line in Ohio, I'm surprised nobody mentioned his loop track at the Freight Depot, way at the start of the game.

Now what you could do is create a yard at the iron mine that has a gradient (like 3-6 percent) so that you can store cars onto it full of iron, then when you need to take it to the smelter you just release the breaks on the stored cars to give momentum to the cars starting the gravity train with no train (this also means that you could possibly run multiple gravity trains at once).

I have seen here, they did gravity like shunting. Engine first did pull longer car thing to slight uphill line and then they few cars in time rolled in to right shunting tracs. Like box cars to line 2 and flats to line 4, etc. (not really remember tracs or wagons but for an example.) Was thinking to do that in my railroads online world. :D

one item to improve Gravity running is to flip the last car around so both Handbrake Wheels are in one spot on the uphill side for better braking control. you could handily run a 10 car gravity run.

The only way the gravity train would be worth it, is if you had enough iron to put more than the weight the train could handle. So if you brough up enough hopper cars to get maximum iron, then it would be beneficial. You could do 30 cars, send down 5-7 for each brakeman to keep it manageable, and then it may be worth doing the gravity method..

I work for a major class 1 here in the USA, drops (gravity, Dutch) are only allowed in certain spots where no other option exist. They are rare to do anymore, ive done maybe 3 total in 20 years. They used to do them a lot more..but...safety

In Wales narrow gauge railways would send slate down hills without engines and in some places they let passengers ride the cars

The Yosemite lumber company, at least I think that's what they were called, had multiple logging inclines. At like 12-30% grades. They would haul the cars up to the top using cables and counter weight system. The weight of the full log car would pull the empty car up. And when the car reached the bottom they would shunt the cars.

3:18 i mean one potential way to avoid that is to have the brakes work in reverse, where theyre on by default and a person has to manually turn them off. sorta like if driving a car, your brakes were always on EXCEPT for when you press the brake pedal. that way if the person falls off, the bakes come on automatically. sorta like a dead mans switch (except hopefully with no dead people involved)

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WOW nice upload rate!

I love this more trains online

The gravity trains where mainly used in England at the the old slaight lines and mining lines

Crazy!

it could make sense to do a gravity line if you have a train that could bring up beams/planks and the empty mine cart. then you send the person to smelter via gravity and go fill up more wood while they empty the iron (leave Betsy there to push it back and forth during unload?). then once beams are loaded on the train you go pick up the empty ore carts and do it again.

i relly was hopping for kans reaction to Hyces message XD

You’re welcome to run for US president kAN, I’ll allow it.

That brakeman needs a raise. Lol

That was amazing to watch from both perspectives, but you really need to sync your edits for simultaneous watching next time.

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Idk if it was the same video, but I saw one of a railroad with track similar to what you described, and the video then showed the same track some years later and it was all fixed "the rates are easier to manage" Just wait until you get to oil field and refinery

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If you have a ramp down where you load your cars it could be more efficient. At that point you can leave immediatly after you brought the cars and load the train using gravity.

nice vid

So it's basicly like a "Hump" yard... (even tho those use friction from corners to slow down and not brakes)

You really just need 2 engines and 2 sets of cars and 1 person per train. You still just use gravity on the way down but then you still have the engine to get back to the top

after last episode I went to Hyce's channel and I saw the messege. So I know, and I am waiting, as everyone else ;)

Now the next go of this dapper needs 10 cars and you race him with the pumpjack train car

The slate miners use the narrow gauge gravity runs to get the slate down from the mine to a freight depo

They do gravity sorting of cars. CSX dose this in waycross Georgia I imagine you could find videos of that online.

I think the first railways used gravity for the downhill runs from the mines to the harbours and then horses would pull the carts back up again

I think hyce has a chanel and everyone knows the "secret" message 😂🤣

We already saw Hyce's video with the "Fix Me -H" message.

You need a track that is absolutely straight and straight down hill!

quote of the day " he made fun of my Kinks" -kAN

take double the max containers empty. send the back half back when its full and drive the second half back. Double profit

They had gravity Slate trains in snowdonia in Wales

If you had an industry that produced two products on top of a hill, with two industries who wanted those products downhill, you could run two gravity trains at once instead of needing two engines.

I kinda have to laugh how it's a "secret message" yet hyce has it shown on his video lol

lol we all know the message, there is no hiding it!

I believe the ffestiniog line still do gravity trains your towed to the top of the line via a steam engine they do it for fun using fully loaded slate cars

Some messages can only be imagined. They cannot be shown. Welcome to RU-vid Monetization.

Yes the gravity trains were risen on

Rails were invented before the steam engine, so all treks were powered by gravity at that point.

Now i want to see the vid

15:25 thanks to dapper loading is so much faster

Pssst... We already know the message... Lol.

Better idea, make the lumber be 60.

hi

That oil car that rolled away by itself wasn't in Russia. That was just outside Walla Walla, Washington.

I wanna see a gravity run from the coal mine because it would be cool

A gravity line doesn't seem to make sense because in this game we all pull into the industry yard, load and unload the goods and return back down the line. In the game, sending cars down the line on their own makes no sense because it leaves the engine at the top of the hill. In reality, an engine would be used to deliver a number of empty cars to the industry at the top of the hill, the engine would uncouple and go off to pull other trains elsewhere along the line. As the industry fills the cars, and understand that this actually takes a lot more time than the game simulates, the cars are then sent one or several at a time down the hill. This process could take several days or longer. When the industry runs out of empties, the transport company is notified and the empties waiting at the bottom of the hill are hauled back up to the top of the hill.

I know there's legit lines like that and it was more common back then but nowadays it's still used to just load cars like at a coal mine or something, not actual deliveries or lines but just dropping them to load the cars and stuff

In my town BNSF Likes to unhook Freight cars on the hill and send them down with no one on it to the cars sitting in the yard it's a little different because my town is on a hill

You could almost reconnect the engine to the car's at the Y.

hey kan, WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU MAKING THAT Y AT THE SAWMILL???

I watched the two perspectives at the same time on two monitors, it would be nice if the video didn't have an editing cut, so the video would be synchronized. But I don't think the idea would work for everyone...