Byrnes 4 Inch Table Saw - Review & Demo 

Bill McKee A week or so ago I gave it its best workout since I have owned it. In one afternoon I cut 136 pieces for 34 pipes to 1/2 mm & 1/4 mm dimensions (using a ruler and magnifying glass) and everything looked pretty darned good. With clean square cuts the pipes went together quickly and easily. Yesterday I cut 68 pieces of mahogany for the covers. Very little waste with that thin kerf blade. I am sure you will like yours.

How much do these run ?

I do not sell them. Go to www.byrnesmodelmachines.com Unfortunately the designer Jim Byrnes passed away back in October so it may be a while before they sort out the business and other details. Thanks for watching. Ron

Two other screws and the whole fence pops off. I didn't buy the micrometer adjustment but made a small wood clamp that clamps on with a nylon screw and a second 1/ 4 20 nylon screw is the adjustment. 1 turn equals .050 inches.

mikekeystonefl This saw is CNC machined and made very accurately for model builders. If you want more information on this table saw and other precision tools which are available visit: www.byrnesmodelmachines.com

+dlr dlr I do not have the tilt table. Do a google search and you will find some reviews with comments about it. Some people don't think too much of it... but you can't believe everything you read on the internet either. The saw itself is very solid and very usable... although a bit expensive. I do have the taper jig and while it is well made, I have not personally found a comfort level to actually try to use it.

+Ronald Walters My new Byrnes table saw is getting shipped next week. I decided against the tilt table and will try to make a dedicated sled for the the 45 degree cuts I need. I'll let you know how it works out.

I have the saw and i bought it after watching this video! Byrnes is excellent. was wondering about the sled you have already made i believe. will be great if you can share any video/photo.

It certainly is quieter than a full size table or contractor saw. You hear what it sounds like in the video. I do not have a DB meter so that is all I can tell you.

Maybe waxing the table might help?

Take all the soft aluminum parts and have them Hard-Coat Anodized(Type III).The aluminum will never wear out then. The manufacturer should have done that.

They work great for trim.

Just google it.

azayles I was not looking forward to cutting the thin strips for the pipes on the full size table saw. I decided to purchase this "baby" table saw and used it for all the organ pipes and covers. When I ordered the wood planks for the pipes, I had not yet obtained this saw and calculated my cuts (and wood purchase) based on using the full size table saw. After cutting the wood for 40 pipes (for two organs) I had enough wood left over for another 15 pipes due to the thin kerf blade, being able to utilize most of the 2 inch wide planks and less waste. It has been a very handy little saw.

Good job! I bet you get a lot cleaner cut with the little saw, too. Can't wait to see more of the organ build, I always look forward to new episodes! Gonna have an organ shaped hole in my heart when the build's finished.

I've had this for 3-1/2 years. I only use for small stuff, for which it is intended. They rate it for a 15/16" cutting capacity. I have cut 3/4" hardwood with this saw... feeding it slowly of course! :-) I only use the carbide tooth blades. This is a solid, quality, expensive little saw. Some people do not like it because the blade does not tilt.

Ronald Walters Does the designer Jim Byrnes have any plans on adding tilt blade funtionality? That is too useful to go without.

+Jack Kane You can make any cut with this saw which you would on a full size saw... just on a smaller, more accurate scale.

JTOOLMAN1949 I believe the arbor is 1/2". The blades came with an adapter ring. Seems like the blade has a 3/4" hole in it. I'm not around the shop at the moment. You should google the saw and check out all of the specs.

Grizzly G1023 10" ... I also have a video showing some modifications I have made to this saw.

@@RonaldWalters2010 Thanks Ron

I’ve emailed the manufacturer asking about this very thing but no reply yet. Ideally, this saw and this quality with tilt blade functionality and I would definitely buy it. No tilt is a bit of a deal breaker for me.

Rusty Case It will be shown briefly making a few cuts for the organ pipes.

Ronald Walters I'd like to hear your thoughts about it after 6 months or a year.. rc

If you go to google or similar and type in "byrnes table saw review" you will see a few reviews, all very positive.

Bill McKee Tnx Bill. I'll do that, but I value Ron's opinion very much and would give him priority over many others.... (I mean, anyone out of a jungle oilpatch making paper thin wooden laminations held together with the varnish instead of gluing up a few pieces of pvc is worthy of respect! ) :-) Actually, I've got a few of those battery op Makita handheld circulars, and a Dewalt, too, that use those small, thin, razor sharp circular blades. Question is, make a table top and clamping fence for one of them, or drop the $500 for the Byrnes. The Byrnes would be awesome for making doll houses! rc

Right! :-) It came with a blade guard and I took it off because it (like most blade guards) gets in the way when cutting small parts.

seafax This is CNC machined and everything is a good fit. Max cut according to the specs is 15/16" although I don't know why anyone would want to make that size cut on this small saw. Check out www.byrnesmodelmachines.com

Ronald Walters Thanks for the info and the link Ronald. One reason a person might like to make deep cuts is when making pieces for segmented bows where angle precision is everything even though the pieces aren't necessarily very think. Having said that I imagine 15/16 would cover all but the most extreme cases for segmented bowl turners and it'd certainly be plenty for me, I was pleasantly surprised to hear it's manage 3/4, which is what I was hoping for.

Google the manufacturer and ask them.

Jim Byrnes passed away 5 or 6 months ago and they are trying to reorganize... and hopefully will be able to continue with their product line.

I do not sell these. Google the saw and go to their website where you can determine what accessories you want and get the correct voltage for your country. They will quote you shipping.

Google "Byrnes" and go to their website. They now offer a larger table for this saw and they offer a sliding table. If you are a modeler, I would imagine you could make your own crosscut sled. You would need to be able to machine some hardwood material (or similar) to perfectly fit into the table miter slots. Personally, I have not had a need for a small crosscut sled, but I would try making my own first. That said, Byrnes makes a quality product (although expensive). Thanks for watching. Please subscribe! That is what keeps this channel going. Ron

Probably a lot of model builders would argue that decision on several points. But, to each his own.

Google the name, you will find it.

Go to www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html and contact them directly.

Google it. Deal with the manufacturer direct. He offers 220V 50Hz motors as well.

This is made in the USA. Very accurate and quite expensive. They have a collection of accessories and goodies for this table saw as well as other model making tools. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/ Thanks for watching. Please subscribe. That is what keeps this channel running. Ron

Most of the movement is when starting the motor, starting torque and the pulleys initially trying to climb the belt. It never blocks the outfeed.

I suggest you go to their website and you can get all the information your need... and get an estimated shipping weight from them (to include whatever accessories you may want). Thanks for watching. Please subscribe. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/

I have tried to get the info from their site. will write to them. Since i don't live in the USA, size is an issue for me. Thanks anyway. you really really helped me to find out the best machine. Subscribing :)

You can go to their website and click on "contact us" to leave a message. This is a holiday weekend here in the USA and you may not get anyone until Tuesday Sept 5th.

Oh... and it is available with a 220V 50Hz motor.

Thanks so much for your response. Yes both of the voltages are available. its a plus point. i dont have to use a transformer. just wondering, how powerful the motor is? is it only for cutting thin wood or it can go upto the height of the blade? I have googled and it will be wise to get feedback from someone who has it and working on it.

I don’t think there is a “standard set”. You can look around on their website. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html I purchased: Extended Rip Fence Miter Gage Rip Taper Gage (which I have never used) Micrometer Stop Two different additional carbide saw blades (different teeth and widths) and... I am considering the sliding table Thanks for watching. Please subscribe. That is what keeps this channel running. Ron

@@RonaldWalters2010 By standard equipment I mean whatever paraphernalia which ships together with a saw unit. I just wanted to know what equipment I am looking at in your video. For example 2:13 this Rip Fence is standard? What is Extended Rip Fence which can be additionally purchased? Have you ever used Micrometer Stop? Is Micrometer Stop the same as you call it Fine-Tune Fence Position? And if I wanted to make exact 45 or 65 degrees cuts, would I be able to do it with standard equipment? How is the 4:21 Miter Gage different from the Rip Taper Gage which is an additional part. Now as you got the experience, what extra accessories listed on the Byrnes page do you recommend buying at the first shot?

The saw itself comes with a very short fence, one saw blade, the motor of your choice (110v 60hz or 220v 50hz) and a wrench for locking the blade height. All the items I listed are shown in the video. Watch the video again. The Extended Rip Fence is an accessory, which you can purchase. The extended fence is about 1” high and mounts on top of the standard fence. I demonstrate the removal and installation of the extended fence in the video. The Micrometer Stop has been handy when I was making pipes for my street organs. It is used to “fine-tune” the rip fence position. The Miter Gage can be set for various angles 45 or 65 degrees, etc. and works as one would work on a full size table saw. Usually used for angled cross cuts. Also an accessory item you can purchase. The Rip Taper Gage is used for angled long cuts. I have not use it (yet). I would still purchase everything I listed previously except the Rip Taper Fence… unless you know you have a use for it. The Sliding Table looks like a very useful item (if you have use for it ). If you have experience using a full size table saw, all of this should be obvious as to how they are used. Otherwise you are going to need to study the website before making your decision. I used a small Dremel table saw for years and it was very crude by comparison. This is like buying a Mercedes. Huge difference.

It can cut 15/16" hardwood but I wouldn't use it for that. It is really intended to cut smaller stuff for small modeling projects.

@@RonaldWalters2010 Thanks for your reply, but I just want to double check - did you mean 1.5/1.6 inch? I am looking to use it on 3/3.5 cm softwood to make frames for paintings. Thanks

No. I meant 15/16” max. The saw only has a 3 or 4” diameter blade and the arbor stays well below the top of the table. I don’t usually use it on anything thicker than 1/2” or 5/8”. Have a look at their website. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html

Thanks Ronald

Google it: Byrnes Table saw - fairly expensive. Also available with 230V motor. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe! That is what keeps this channel going. Ron

G'day Mate, I have no association with Byrnes Model Machines (i.e. I do not sell any of their products). I suggest you go to their website byrnesmodelmachines.com and send them an email (Contact Us) describing what you need. A serial number from the saw would help identify when it was made. They are very cooperative and I am sure they will help you identify the parts (bolts) you need. It appears they were shut down for vacation but expected to reopen mid-September (which is about now). Thanks for watching! Ron

Yes. Hopefully they will be able to continue with the product line.

Carbide blades produce a very smooth cut and the motor does not slow down at all in the video. What you are hearing is the sound of the Shop Vac and then the saw motor and blade running and then the blade cutting the plywood. Frequency response of the camera microphone does not handle all of those different sounds/frequencies very well and there is some audio distortion. Specifications for the motor are on the Byrnes website. Google it. Thanks for watching.

It looks handmade and solves a different problem than contractors' saws.

How much ?

Google it.

Google it.

About $450 before options.

Google it.

That was ten years ago... I have no idea. :-) Thanks for watching!

Belt drive. The starting torque of the motor trying to accelerate the blade very briefly tries to climb up the belt. Belt tension is accomplished by a spring under compression... so the starting torque bounces the motor slightly on the spring.

Thank you so much for an explanation.

Hi Ronald, can you tell me please, what kind of belt is used and what is the diameter of the pulleys? Is it V belt or timing belt? I wanted to buy this saw, but the shipement to my country is $900, and then 23% taxes over the whole amount. So I started building mine - just litle bit bigger and simpler.

Ivan Ilarionov V belt with cleats is better. The choices are Metric (e.q T Belt) or imperial (e.g XL Belt), depends on the availability of the parts needed (pulley and belt)

My plan is to use 100 and 125mm saw blades. The slitting blades that I can find have 22mm arbor diameter, also I can find normal woodworking blades with 20 and 22.2 mm arbor. The table will be 10mm thick aluminium. In order to keep at least 15mm from the blade above the table, I decided to construct my own bearing housing. It is an 'H' shaped aluminium block, which holds 35 outside/15mm insside bearings and has a small shaft at the one for changing cutting depth. So this construction restricts the pulley diameter to about 46mm. I found only one model of clеated belt (optibelt super-tx) that supports so small diameter, but the minimum lenght is 597mm. I will use 250W motor, mounted to the above mentioned aluminium block. That's why 597mm is too long and I decided to use 9mm wide 3M timing belt. Unfortunately I'm not a machinist and I'm paying for machining the parts, which is not very cheap, but still I hope the final cost will be within 400 EUR.

Matt Pezzino Definitely a case of "you get what you pay for".

Ronald Walters I really like all the nicely machined aluminum parts. The blade height adjustment parts look really slick.

I suggest you go to their website byrnesmodelmachines.com Thanks for watching! Please Subscribe. Ron

Google it. You will find it under Byrnes Model Machines. They will sell you all you want with a 220V 50Hz motor.

Not having any luck finding out who sells them and the price not shaw if I am looking in the write place are thay made in the us or are thay available in nz can you help with any ansewer

Apparently you do not know how to google. Made in the USA. Shipped overseas to you. I do not sell these. You need to contact them yourself. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/

@@RonaldWalters2010 thanks for your help not everyone is savory with computers I gave it a go will get someone to help find the price part iam looking for I could find pitures and video clips etc but not the buying part and price cheers anyway

USA ... Google it.

Google Byrnes table saw

Just Google "Byrnes Table Saw" = www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html

Google it. It is made and sold in the USA. It is available with a 220V 50Hx motor.

@@RonaldWalters2010 shipping and taxes are too much expensive😖

Yes. Google it.

Google it and ask yourself, I'm not selling them. Thanks for watching.

I did not build this saw. The motor: 1/3 HP 110VAC 60Hz 2 Amp 3450 RPM

www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/

I don't sell them. Google it.

Yes. Google it.

@@RonaldWalters2010 found it thanks. Crazy expensive.

Yes it is. Made of solid aluminum plate and heavy. None of that cheap junk out of China.

@@RonaldWalters2010 I understand where you're coming from, but I just have a single project, not a full time hobbyist, so I can't justify that amount. Thanks.

Sorry, I do not have time to make these for others. I have videos showing you how to make these and it is pretty easy. Thank you for watching.

Google the name, you will find it.

@@RonaldWalters2010 thank you I got it

With the right blade its a breeze. In fact all my cutting jigs are plexiglass .

Google it.

@@RonaldWalters2010 então qual.o valor e onde comprar

I do not sell them. Go to www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/ They make a 220V 50Hz model as well.

Imperial but there are no scales on the table saw so it does not make any difference. The available micrometer is imperial but Byrnes may have a metric micrometer available. Ask them. Thanks for watching.

Google it.

As it sits it can be anything you want... there are no marking on the saw, only the micrometer (that I have). They have a collection of accessories for this table saw. www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/ They may have a metric micrometer. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe! That is what keeps this channel running. Ron

Allen Perry Definitely for someone who wants precision accuracy and to make small parts which is difficult and/or dangerous on a full size saw.

I agree, but I can't afford one on my budget now and have been able to make most any precision cuts on either a full size table saw, band saw, or scroll saw. I still have all my fingers and thumbs too.