@@luxe5053 That draft was bad, but there were plenty of good drafts too. More importantly, we have next to no visibility into how drafting decisions are made on KCorp. I hesitate to give Yamato all of the praise or all of the blame for how draft goes without knowing more.
@@justsomeredspy From what we know from Kameto after SK win, KC worked very bad during offseason and mostly during the 3 LEC weeks and we don't know but it's possible that Reha was already at the head of the team for the last 2 games (just a possibility, we don't know)
Yamato had 7 winnings drafts and 2 or 3 players that straight dont belong in LEC and are only there due to KCorp contracts, and they bench him. Naw man get ready for Bo Sej duty.
7 winning draft ? Imagine he managed to let play upset 9 different adc, support targamas is a tank player ok he ll play some enchanter like lulu, karma (wtf). Top is a weak side player who plays renekton, sion, ornn with a great winrate, ok cabochard you ll play your rumble with 33% winrate. Bo ok your play style is to play aggressive champ who ll perma gank and invade ok you ll play brand jungle, like wtf ? Mid only play azir,corky, Ryze, ok you like to play dps late game well you ll play Akali and some burst champ mid it ll be fine. Kc draft are supposed to be, tank or renekton top, jungle aggressive champ, mid hyper scaler, bot tank+ with meta adc like aphelios, xayah. Yamato draft are maybe generate randomly I think. A coach need to understand the limit of his player, all players are limited have limitations and can’t play 10 different champs. LEC is very behind in draft in comparaison to china and Korea, all drafts are basically cursed.
@@tributene9994 Are you dumb? If you can only play tank supports and are a bot on any other champion type, then guess what? You dont belong in LEC. You just proved this guy's point by being delusional. Thank you.
@tributene9994 it is not the coaches job to hamstring his team by drafting poorly because his players are unable to adapt to the meta. It is the players' jobs to improve their champion pool and be capable of playing what's strong in the current season. If they are unable to do this, then they don't belong in pro play.
That disgust me tbh, i loved that Yamato was joining the lec project, a long term project And after 1 fucking split they do this to him Nah bro im done with this thats fucked up
The fact that kc managed to lose a game where they had winning early, mid and late draft wise, should not surprise anyone that yamato would be kicked. Players with immunity.
@@jacob2808his track record of getting teams to Worlds is very impressive, there were some teams that had no business in making it. If anything was overhyped it was that especially the fans thought KC was gonna be a good team right away
Yamato not only hard won 90% of their drafts, he was also managing to find a workaround to his mute support. He gave Bo the trust to be the main voice, he relieved the talking pressure out of Upset (like he had in week 1) and made Bo carry most of that load, with some help from Cabo. He was starting to forge more trust between the players, which you can clearly see in how they played together a bit more in the last week. And he gets fired. This is the peak of a bad joke. I'm really sorry for Bo and Upset, you guys don't deserve this, but I really wish this roster goes 0-9 next split. The worst part is that they very well might do well next split because of all the work Yamato leaves behind, and they will really think he was the problem and benching him was the right call. Just pathetic
I feel bad for Yamato. I know that some people think he is fraud but he seemed really involved in the project and even took the blame for the losses most of the time so the players won't feel too bad. Just to get done like this. I also don't understand how they didn't take into consideration the fact that KC played well once the pressure was off, and instead of working on that they just decided to get rid of the coach.
@@plazmafy if the only argument for why a draft is bad is that the players are too bad to play the champ, thats on the player, not the coach. Pro players have way more than enough time to learn many champs, its not an excuse
I'm getting the suspicion I also had with C9 LS that sometimes, coaches are brought in just to get a certain caliber of player on board you wouldn't otherwise have access to, fully intent on letting go of the coach at the earliest sign of the team not performing to their internally perceived level of competition.
This is my take. Orgs will do whatever it takes to get the players to sign. Coaches and extra staffing are nice in theory, but not for high costs. I bet this extra coach is worth a fraction of what the player's cost and teams don't see it as cost effective. C9 did it to LS and here it is again.
Un ironically, reckless support might actually save KC a bit cause targa has no hands or voice man, at least reckless has hands and seems to be getting better at the voice too in LCK CL.
@@elysiumchaser7799 Yeah not happening. Bro finally has good opportunity to become better and you wanna him to waste all that for KC? KC don't deserve that.
Imagine saying that and said you was KC fan, thats just a liar you wasn't KC fan. Just Yamato fan, you don't care and you don't know the org Get out and cia
look what you did you made the kc stans angy xd imo its the problem with the org, they do things for their fans instead of doing shit that would help the org, they created a fanbase of terrorists and will probably suffer in the long term
I wonder what the thought process was. Like how do you watch the entire split and at the end of it come to the conclusion that Yamato was the problem and all of the players should stay. Surely the board can't be so delusional.
The reasoning is easy. Even though the 0-7 was harsh, Cabo Saken and Targa are fan favorites -> Can't bench them Bo was so hyped he was well liked before the season started and remained quite popular -> Can't bench him Upset performed ok and fans like him -> Can't bench him The only solution is to scapegoat the coach, which no one liked. Influencers and fans themselves gaslit the KC community into thinking the drafts were the issue so it's easy to decide who to blame :)
@@karthaz3637 that sounds the most reasonable conclussion. Since Yamato had a rough season on Fnatic but he made it to worlds. In the end he gets once again betrayed by shitty management...
@@karthaz3637 Targamas is the most hated player on this planet. All of LEC and most KC fans flamed the living shit out of him. In what world is he a fan favourite? Also i've read so many "he's not even a real french person" so yeah, idk what you're on about there.
@@user-qb1fo7nq2gtop 3? You mean bottom 3. Dylan Falco, Nightsare, Melzhet and Striker are way better than Yamato, to name a few. Just because he has fans doesn’t mean he is top 3 lol
@@user-qb1fo7nq2gLMAAAAO every team he coached underperformed in LEC and even if what you said was the case, it doesn't change the fact he was outdrafted during the entire split.
Guys remember its the best thing to happen for Yamato, just leave the org, this team will go 100% 10th in spring and in summer, they are so bad at the game and targa cant speak even, Yamato would just go 10th again the next two splits so good that he left, the only reason this team had a winning chances was Yamato, people never forget how draft gap the KC vs VIT game was, its probably the biggest draft gap to ever be in LEC and kKC couldnt win, because Saken and Targa ran the whole game down like lord have mercy with this team, if you cant win with that draft you will go 10th every split in LEC level. Good that Yamato doesnt have to suffer anymore with these garbage players
Yamato sat on the bench last year to look for an opportunity to elevate a team to his standards. It must be devastating for him to have the org he put his trust in dump him after 9 BO1s. I don't think he would be at all satisfied with being kicked out without having a proper chance to proove himself.
Prove himself ? About what ? The man never won anything It's not It's first lec years, that guy is a fraud he's just a good looking man as every politician am and marketing boy are cause that's what he is a communicationman , All he do is that , also taking political position IRL isn't helping his case@@Harvey434pt
He gave them einning drafts in almost all games, some of the drafts were favouring KC so much its beyond ridiculous to kick him over Targamas and Saken.
@@dopplereffect5729bro your argument is just stupid. the role of the coach is to build drafts that they think is strong based on the meta, scouting, opponents stats, and etc. so yes he is paid to make winning drafts and it is the job of the players to execute these drafts bc thats what they are paid to do,,, its not like the coach can micromanage them ingame
@@lucaboffelli6122 Ls didn't bother showing up to meetings, why would you keep someone like that as an employee lmao Making fudge roleswap and first-time Ivern mid on-stage was another ?? decision. like C9 was not going to keep on winning with the 5 enchanter comps
@@amauryguern5021from what I’ve seen when they announced the departure off Mac and pad for Spanish people. Yes, everyone was saying the same thing about kicking the non Spanish for spanish people.
Just say yamato isnt french enough. He litteraly got spwapped out for a random ass french erl coach when he was the least of kcs problem. This is so fucking riddiculus idk what to say. Kick bo and upset next (so at least they will be out of this shitshow as well) and bring in some french nobodys so they can complet the 0 9 dream next split.
@@kuhakublank632 i saw them but you can’t know the reasons of why Yamato is fire. KC players don’t play well on stage is a thing but we dont’ know How it works at the office and it’s where are the reasons of Yamato bench. Plz understand KC is not a team that have scapegoat, that’s not their DNA, i know you don’t like the org for some reasons (that i don’t understand but it’s another pb) but they did the choice because they think it’s the best thing for the team and they said that no one player is safe (targamas included) if they continue to be bad but they don’t want to fire club legends when they think Reha (excellent coach) can make these players better. Just respect and Yamato is a good guy, we like him, we are sad for him but we are confident that it can be the right choice for the team, we like all of our 5 players despite they played bad this split and we are sure that they will come back and if finally they stay at their winter level, you can be sure that the toster will change
bro listening to kc coms is painful, upset shotcalling? imagine being one of the most mechanically intensive roles and also having to spend some of that much needed focus on shotcalling, meanwhile the support doesnt talk almost at all, like seriously wtf
@@wilkinlow they can't actually, they said the first year was going to be a humble roster, they're not crazily rising money so they had to go cheap for this season.
For people wanting some insights on the KC community: - No this has not been well received inside the community, lots of people sent strength to the organization but most of us did not understand why this change occured but... It has been hinted that the coaching staff was not working well especially talking about schedule: Kameto said that the reason he stayed in Berlin during our whole season (3 weeks lol) is because the team was not working efficientky. This is also hinted in a tweet from Striker (still really close to KC) that said to improve at League you just have to work correctly every day - We do agree with most of the international fans that there is (or at least was) a problem with the level of saken and Targamas. The reason we are PROBABLY not benching them is fairly simple: we do not have money right now. It has been said by the CEOs and therefore we cannot afford to approach a player, let's say Trimby, while having Targamas on the bench. We do have a strong academy team from which we will maybe eventually make a promotion but this is very unlikely for this split. Why sack Yamato then? First of all, I don't think he will be sacked, he will probably just step down as assistant coach but if that's not the case bear with me. Then, well our players fate and the coach fate was not really linked for a simple reason: we have 5 coaches for 5 players and the requirements to play a game is 5 players for 1 coach. Therefore once again financial reasons. - Finally I would like to say that even if the results and the in game performance were bad, they could have been introduced by poor training and poor time management (which is what is being hinted at). Fans were really surprised and sent a lot of support to Yamato (as you can see under his tweet), some didn't understand the decision, some decided o trust the org while some couldn't understand how on earth was yamato being sacked when shaken and targamute were still on the team... However the only conclusion we all could draw was "we do not have money so let's just wait and see"
@@doomse150 KC is not here for sympathy but for performances I understand why this decision is controversial (I was happy about Yamato joining KC myself) but they made it for a reason
@@harpogrine Well yes, but looking for a scapegoat to blame stuff on is a terrible reason. It seems similar to the bs that football teams do all the time, when it doubt kick the coach. Also you just went from "the entire league hates us" madge to "where not here for sympathy" in the span of one comment? Make up your mind already.
@@doomse150 they are not looking for a scapegoat, the entire team + staff + CEO acknowledged they played poorly AND the KC thread explains it was a hard decision to take Not like they were trying to pretend it was Yamato's fault Their is a difference between "looking for sympathy" and "not getting trashed hardly every single second of your games on LEC chat + made fun of eveywhere"
I bet just by some random BO1 happenstance the new coach will achieve some random ass 2/1 week and win some random other game, win a tie braker and squeak into playoffs by the skin of his fucking teeth. Every french KC fan is going to flame the fuck out of Yamato then. I can see it coming. The delusion in people in the incoming timeline. FFS
@@dopplereffect5729 My point is that Yamato laid the groundwork for whatever is to come. Also just by having more stagetime together the team naturally should play a little better together by pure happenstance. It will have very little to do with the new coach. Unless of course the team plays entirely different, has way different drafts, and is basically unrecognizable. That might be what the new coach has achieved then. Otherwise if KC looks any better, the new coach is going to gain public recognition off of the work Yamato did, by retards like you.
Unpopular take as always till it becomes the norm, Yamatocanon is likeable but hes mid as a coach. Coach is also kind of a broad term tbf but Yamatocanon def shouldn't be the coach that focuses on the gameplay macro/micro and/or drafts included. He's better fit as a coach that simply leads and/or takecare of the players eg a managerial role. Edit : Not siding with KC btw, they def did him dirty. My comment is just my perception of Yamato.
WTF are you saying, the crowd is the same … KC fans know other hard moments and they will support the club because they love it. We know nothing about Yamato work in KC, people on comments section are just saying shit without infos
I understand if people arent high on yamato's coaching previously but man he gave his all for this project and was undoubtedly setting up good draft most games. This has to be a joke or he murdered someone, no way HE gets fired and they dont change any player...
Be KC, bench yamato for no reason, who we make coach now? *Highly acclaimed multi region top tier coach steak raises his hand* KC : nah you don't speak French
Jokes aside, that’s an actual good point for me personally as a KC fan. On one hand you’ve got this amazing opportunity to bring an undefeated LPL roster head coach that might upset how the meta/game is played in LEC (but there might be complications to his uprising this fast - without him being properly involved in the org/towards the players). On the other hand, KC’s most recent ERL coach (that got them 2 trophies last year, and was AC when Striker got us the 3 previous ones) + know the players and the org. Only problem is : will he be ready for that level of play/ drafting / work pressure / etc. ?
It's not that we agree with or cheer for that decision but that we trust our club. They have more intels than we have so we believe they are more competent than us to decide wether or not this is what's needed for the club. And although i think most of the fans (including me) didn't think Yamato was the ''issue'' for the those result, the best thing we can do as fans is to trust our club and at least to give them the benefit of the doubt Now you, Caedrel, have more experience on this than we have so your opinion is valuable and not reassuring for the future, but let's see how it goes on next split ;)
I don't see what the problem is with the Yamato banch. he's a nice person, very cool, but we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Kameto hated drafts, and above all he said on stream that he didn't like what he saw in Berlin, that it worked poorly. let's not also forget that KCorp's first win came from the fact that the players did not listen to Yamato...he who said to focus the bot, it was the top side that was focused. cabo and saken, do not have to be fired. not after everything they did for the structure. not for 1 failed split. similar targa. upset is debatable. and for goodness sake, the guy played in a league opposite in style of play to Europe! he had crushed everything in China. So yes, we have to give the players time. They are the ones who still have to understand each other. but if none of them have confidence in their coach, if the coach works poorly, puts them in bad conditions, then yes, he is the first to leave. it's logical.
lol this was not on my bingo card of bad moves KCorp would make, i thought they would bench bo or replace a bad player with an equally bad player but not firing Yamato
One French LoL streamer (Kaze) who is close to KC management made super critical videos on Yamato. Specifically how he’s shit at drafting and only does yoga a team building activities. So you have KC fans who believe Yamato is trash.
Ouh ok hope they finally reach their aspiration of 0-10 next split. But who am I deceiving... They are gonna play better because the team cordinate better and then KC hire up would be like "ouh it right decision" when the same shit would happen if they don't fire him.
Would it tho ? Nobody knows the actual reasons and ya’ll speculating .. perhaps yes the players are sub-LEC level for now (that’s a given) and deserve to be swapped, but to top this off, the team was disfunctional because not well trained (and that’s the HC responsibility). Not only time would get them to win if they don’t play as a team and train well together. Most likely that’s the angle for an hypothetical success to come with the new HC (and it wouldn’t have been the case with Yamato)
@@TheCrafterman19the head coach is literally just the assistant coach and they just swap role. I dont see how that would massively impact how the team work.
The « final word » difference between the 2 (on calls/drafts/plays), the time allocation to different practices, etc. There could be several reasons but one thing for sure is that the team wasn’t working properly before, so perhaps now they will
Best part is that Yamato has a good track record as a coach. I am 90% sure that he has NEVER not qualified for worlds (I might be wrong though) or at least was on the verge of qualifying but did not get over the last hurdle. If that is true and they wanted him for long term, they have made a huge mistake. Not to mention he has watched Bo the whole of last year both in competitive and outside of it, he knows how to make him work (better than VIT at least) whilst previously working with Upset.
Kamet0 streams of KC matches get up to nearly 100'000 viewers, you can't just say "KC fans are X or Y" yeah some of us says that, others says different things Moreover Karmine Corps goal and Kamet0's goal is winning worlds championship, like every team. if the team dont perform, there will be changes, every teams work like that and KC is noël exception
Se quedan con Saken, Targamas y Cabochard que son un desastre total y se va Yamato... Es un chiste, pero no podemos negar que es obvio viniendo de una organización francesa. En la LLA también nos reímos de KC jajaja
still think we should have kept the exact same roster and that making a roster change 1 month in the season is a fool move BUT the teams knew they would look like clown if they made that change, i think if they did it they had a good reason (but it look like a panic move imo) AND a team wich is BROKE because they spend millions to get here, would take the risk of having to pay a coach freely for 2 years after just one month ? (I swear there must be something outside of esport)
Gigamistake. Didn't they pull 2 wins out of their ass at the end? That speaks to improvement, and attitude shifts. That tends to be coach related. There is no way this was Yamato's fault. I honestly think KC performed about as well as 3 sub LEC players could do in a major region with only 9 games to play. Upset and Bo can't carry a team with the obvious 10th place mid on it. Saken looked like he was outmatched 99% of the time. How do you win like that? I was cheering for KC cause i like Yamato. Now i look forward to watching him on stream again.
as a french person and a Kcorp fan I literally don't understand this decision Yamato is literally so far from being the problem in the team I for real thought they just needed a bit of time but I guess they chose otherwise
to be fair Yamato lost the locker room, he was telling the players to focus on botside and then Bo was ganking top and Cabo got fed and they finally won a game
Okay so they basically announced that the whole 'KC win worlds' stuff was just a meme, they are not interested in being competitive but rather in being a French fan service team. If they wanted to actually do something next split they would have gotten a different support (likely Trymbi) and tried to get Nisqi from SK. Maybe even get a Chinese top for Bo to play around. But in the end they ignored the obvious weak points because of their fan base and scapegoated the guy that praised them for their loyalty and stated that he wanted this to be his last org. Let's see how they try to gaslight people into thinking Bo and Upset were the problem and get Cinkov and Caliste into the team. Just imagine being Bo or Upset and seeing this while the guys that ran you down the entire split are still happily not talking and chewing gum into the mice. Btw Yamato 'not drafting for his players' is not an argument considering he gave Saken Azir almost every game and we saw how he looks. Targamas Ashe looked like he didn't even watch a single Keria Vod. Upset has to tell him every single right click in game only for him to somehow mess it up so the champion he's on might not be the biggest problem. Cabo seems to be unable to play weakside which in today's meta or in EU in general is unacceptable for a toplaner. The guy has been playing for years and still can't play a decent rumble. But then again they all speak French so they can't be the issue per definition. Hopefully they kick Bo and Upset soon so they are free from that nightmare.
With all that happened this split i was still silently hoping for Yamato and Upset to pivk some wins (not Kc as org i don't really care about them nor hate them), also for boe to get heat of him self. After this... im not just jumping on KC hate train, im going to be fucking driver
So YAMATOCANNON has 0 faults; it's all because of the players... Even a 3-year-old kid can understand how biased ppls are. I am also a leader in my job. When something goes wrong, guess what? It's my fault because I am responsible for the people under me. My superior doesn't come and fire my people; he fire me because I don't know how to utilize them or how to select the people with whom I work.
As much as its sucks to see Yamato gone. It is a good time to see who is the actual fraud. If the new coach can't flip something with same roster, then we'll know who's the real problem (although we can obviously point a finger on it now lmao)...
man i was lowkey rooting for KC because of Yamato, Bo and Upset. now a third of my reason to like this team is gone and i feel like the other two thirds will soon follow
Blaming Yamato is like blaming a brick layer for building a weak wall, even though all you gave him to make it was crumbling rocks and wet sand when the wall has to go up against gale-force winds. Most of the players in this lineup are simply not good enough to compete with the best in the LEC - you can give them a perfect draft but if the skill gap is that wide it means nothing.
