Calibrating 4 Subwoofers With the miniDSP 2x4HD Made a HUGE Difference! Plus GIVEAWAY

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We took (4) SVS 3000 Micro subs and used the miniDSP 2x4HD and a UMIK-1 to time align, EQ and add a house curve. The results were fantastic! Enter the miniDSP 2x4HD and UMIK-2 Giveaway - youthmanreview...
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@Youthman 3 года назад

Enter the miniDSP 2x4HD and UMIK-2 Giveaway - youthmanreviews.com/minidsp/ Subscribe to Home Theater Gamer - bit.ly/hometheatergamer-minidsp miniDSP 2x4HD - amzn.to/3vvxl9w UMIK-1 - amzn.to/3oYoxqv UMIK-2 - bit.ly/umik-2 SVS 3000 Micro (White Gloss) - bhpho.to/3bHlNZc SVS 3000 Micro (Black Gloss) - bhpho.to/3hI1MWc

@ebarbie5016 2 года назад

One word : MSO This will spare you all the time repeating measurements and will allow multi seat optimization with different eqs delays and gains for each sub...

@HomeTheaterGamer 3 года назад

Still waiting on that $500…

@Youthman 3 года назад

Sorry for the delay. Still trying to get my Venmo setup. 🤣

@Alexander450R 2 года назад

Awesome video! Because of this and Brad's 5 part series, I purchased a miniDSP HD and UMIK-1. My x3 PB4000 subs sound INCREDIBLE now. You would be impressed by how bad it measured with no time-alignment or EQ. Thank you for the vid, Michael.

@ripleyhrgiger4669 3 года назад

Two of my favorite audiophiles in one video I AM HAVING THE BEST FRIDAY EVER

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thank you kindly Ripley. Have a great weekend

@robertschuster312 3 года назад

Brad and Steve are the def go to guys for miniDSP setup. Great job Michael, great video as always.

@lightningwaves5436 3 года назад

That makes sense to add a delay to the rear subs. I had my third sub out of phase(time delayed) and it made the entire room breathe much easier! Thanks to this video, I know what I did was correct!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Glad you found it helpful

@sebulbathx 3 года назад

I am confused is delay the same as phase 0-180 degrees?

@jrep88 3 года назад

Great video! It’s awesome to see you both working together. You should have done a time lapse showing the 6 hours it took to get those subs calibrated.

@Youthman 3 года назад

Haha not sure how exciting it would have been

@erikandmarcie 3 года назад

Time alignment isn't equivalent to phase adjustment, those two are actually very different across frequency. Being able to make phase adjustments frequency dependent would be powerful, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next marketing feature.

@grahamherron6616 16 дней назад

If you use Rel subs high level on your LCR with LFE connections for movies And a rear sub just on LFE will this DSP still work ?

@joentell 3 года назад

I came back to say, I'm in the same camp as Brad that it's pronounced "You-Mic". 😂😂😂 Also, I think it would make sense to flatten out the response beyond the 80hz crossover point unless you're using a very steep crossover going to the main speakers. Even if the cutoff point is set to 80hz, there's still sound coming through at frequencies above that. This is especially true if you've made lots of cuts in the frequency response and the overall average SPL has been lowered by as much as it was here. You can see how big the hump is above 80hz so even with a normal 24dB crossover slope, lots of sound will come in above 80hz because of that large bump in the frequency response.

@chandan6119 3 года назад

i was concerned about the same thing. now everything above 80hz is at least 5db louder right? so the total bass of the system is actually 5-10db quieter compared to high frequencies

@joentell 3 года назад

@@chandan6119 Yes, you expect to lose some SPL when applying DSP correction if you do what is recommended and apply mostly cuts. You usually want to re-run your room correction on the AVR to balance the sub(s) to match the mains. That isn't the issue I was pointing out though. I'm talking about how the corrected response is flat up to the crossover point, but shoots way up shortly after since that section is uncorrected. That uncorrected part will likely be very audible when it shouldn't be.

@chandan6119 3 года назад

@@joentell ya even i was talking about the peaks above 80hz ,which makes content above 80hz louder than the ones below 80hz. normally people like to be 10-15 db louder in low end bass frequencies.

@martinmares8998 4 месяца назад

Great video! 2 Questions for you two (1) Is the miniDSP Time Alignment method more accurate than the Time Alignment Tool in REW? (Q-2) Can you also level match using LFE at 85dB rather than using your L speaker at 77dB?

@DarrenKrusi 2 месяца назад

Great video showing us the advantages of time aligning with the MiniDSP. As someone in an apartment with limited places to put a sub would love for you to do this video again but in your living room area with places Jessica would approve for subs to go and how you overcome those challenges.

@fredygump5578 2 года назад

Is there a manual EQ option for the MiniDSP? Is there a limit to how many filters can be applied manually? And does the MiniDSP EQ each sub individually to get an ideal combined output? Or does it apply the same EQ to all 4 subs? I have a dream of building clones of Genelec's W371s. I read about what they're doing, but I'm not sure if they are doing is "normal" DSP programming, or if they really do have a secret sauce that's worth $9k each for the speakers.

@T100ley 10 месяцев назад

I’m sure the UMIK-1/2 are great and worthwhile purchases, but for use who already own a mic (ie I have the ARC mic/stand from Anthem) how big is the delta between the UMIK and what others might already own of quality similar to that of the ARC mic from anthem. Not sure how good the Audyssey specific mics are comparatively.

@Jensenmannwurst Год назад

What's the difference between "BEFORE BASELINE" and "4TH SUB NO TA"? I think the before curve looks very "friendly", with only one Subwoofer i got curves much worse.

@UpgradingAsUsual 3 года назад

Good to see this collaboration! I've been waiting.....

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thank you Jaz

@VividTheater 3 года назад

Awesome Youthman! This shows four smaller less expensive subs can be superior than one larger more expensive sub when it comes to even bass performance and coverage from all seating positions.

@jerzyboy1210 Год назад

Nice collab! Brad, if you can get away with saying deciPELS, then saying umick should be fine 😄

@dadevastator24_77 3 года назад

How did the house curve sound? What AVr or processor was used and how was it implemented to use the house curve?

@Youthman 3 года назад

We spent from 11am till 5pm calibrating the system and shooting the video. Brad had to leave after we finished recording so we didn’t get a chance to demo them yet. I have a Marantz AV7706 processor. The house curve is done within REW and then imported into the miniDSP. I believe Brad covers that in his series of videos on the miniDSP that I linked to at the end of the video. I will include that in my review of the subs.

@christisdale9977 Год назад

Hey Youthman,I'm about to set-up everything for doing measurements with the umik1 and minidsp 2x4.Can you please tell me what cables I would need?Also I've looked youtube everywhere and can't find what cables go where.Many thanks,stay well.

@Youthman Год назад

Check out Home Theater Gamer’s video series on miniDSP. I think you will find it super helpful

@stephenjordan8712 Год назад

Enjoyed the video. 👍🏻 Do I have to use a UMIC 1 or 2 with REW or can I use the mic that came with my Anthem AVM 70?

@Youthman Год назад

You need a calibrated mic to use REW. Can be UMIK-1, UMIK-2, Dayton Audio makes one as well as Omnimic

@holmessph7 Год назад

I thought SVS subs had build in DSP? How does the factory DSP and room correction work vs REW?

@Youthman Год назад

REW only takes measurements. Pair it with a miniDSP 2x4HD and you have MUCH more control than the build in DSP that SVS app provides.

@baderbaderh3250 2 года назад

I think eq killed your dynamic

@crazydwarfer 3 года назад

I have the same T-shirt :) With VHS :)

@hellonwheelsuknow6556 11 месяцев назад

This might be a dumb question but does this need to stay connected in the signal chain all the time or is it just used to make your adjustments and remove?

@Youthman 11 месяцев назад

It needs to stay in the signal chain.

@gingerninja7187 Год назад

Hi ,what’s the difference between using a house ( target curve ) with rew and Dirac live as with Dirac you can have multiple subwoofers, or is rew a way of calibrating multi subs if your avr or processor doesn’t allow for multi subs ? By the way there has been great content from your channel, nice one 👍

@wadimek116 2 года назад

What house curve do you use?

@DomSchiavoni Год назад

Why do you think with EQ its "ALWAYS BETTER TO CUT & NOT BOOST"? Listening at level X requires the same amplitude whether you cut the EQ and adjust the volume higher or boost the EQ and don't have to turn the volume up as much. Same net gain/amplitude. Am I missing something ? Great video BTW. More people need MiniDSP !!!

@Youthman Год назад

Anytime you boost, you run the risk of adding distortion or extending beyond its capability. If you have a null in your frequency response, there is no amount of boosting of those frequencies that will help. You can’t boost what isn’t there.

@Youthman Год назад

So the idea is to get a flat frequency response by reducing your peaks

@MT_53 3 года назад

Hi Michael, so now that you've had some time with the 4 SVS Mini subs, how would you compare them with the SVS PB3000s? I just received my second PB3000 today and am anxious to get them calibrated. The two models both have 800 watt amps so I'm really curious as to how you'd compare them. Thanks!! ~Mike in Atlanta

@Youthman 3 года назад

Hey Mike, I actually have not even turned them on to demo them. Last week I spent five days caring from my grandmother who is 96. Yesterday was the first day we actually had a chance to set them up and calibrate them. Brad had to go before we even had a chance to demo as he was there from around 11 AM until 5 PM calibrating and shooting the video. I’ll be able to spend some time with them this weekend

@MT_53 3 года назад

Hope your Grandmother is well. Just lost my 93 year old Dad last year. I'll keep an eye open for your opinion between the two models of subs. Quite curious. Sure could use that MIK-II about now! Have a great weekend! @@Youthman

@Youthman 3 года назад

I’m truly sorry to hear of the loss of your father. My grandma Has been extremely healthy all of her life and lived alone until six months ago. She took a fall and from there went downhill. Fortunately she’s doing very well now with the aid of a walker. She staying with my sister full-time

@Quetzalcoatl0 3 года назад

12:30, Well i was thinking this was a must too, adding a house curve, BUT, after seeing movie bass graphs from the past 2 years, the bass in movies already has a build in house curve. 95% of the movies that were graphed had a 10-15 db house curve, Some even 20db. So i didn't add a house curve to my setup. "The more you know".

@starker1971 Год назад

Is there any risk of taking on extra latency when using this with a digital feed ? I am not sure of the advantages while most powered subs have volume and phase knobs.

@biff196972 3 года назад

Nice, I used Brads tutorials to help me on my journey with minidsp and REW as well and he does an amazing job at teaching how to use those 👍

@erikandmarcie 3 года назад

Wouldn't need to ramp the sub up at lower frequencies for low volume listening if they'd bring the loudness button back, I miss that

@TheWs25 3 года назад

Great video, I have a 2x4HD for my dual SVS pb-3000 and love it. Quick question though, if you regulatly listen at lower volumes do you recommend to use Audyssey DynamicEQ with the live house curve? And if you do use DEQ should you aim to EQ the subs flat? Thanks! Will

@sebulbathx 3 года назад

Thanks for the video! I've noticed from say 80-90hz to around 110hz is where you so to speak notice the bass it gives a punch or kick when listening to like rock music or for effects in movies. But that is also where the bass gets muddy, imo. I had a lot of peaks in that region which made it really bad to crossover my subs any higher than around 60hz. Then I ran Audyseey and it brought down my peaks and now I crossover my subs at 110hz for movies. And they are still hard to locate which wasn't the case before. And I've noticed that there are a lot of information above 80hz in movies so really recommend to crossover above 80hz, I know it's the "standard" kinda, if you also can use some room correction and not have peaks in that region. Although some might find the bass lacking or sound thin which I did in the beginning because I was used to the peaks before. Forgot to mention crossover a little bit higher works best if you have two subs but one sounds fine also. But anyway what do you think of miniDSP vs Audyseey for bass correction? If you have Audyseey is a miniDSP too much or will they work great together?

@Quetzalcoatl0 3 года назад

15:00, actually it will affect it quite a bit. The crossover in the avr is not a brick wall. so those 120hz peaks should be really noticeable, if you run a sweep on the left speaker, with and without it connected you will see the hump. If you ran audessey after that, then that would take care of the peaks above 100hz and it will align the "LFE" channel to the main speakers, too!

@kyleo2113 3 года назад

Thanks for the video and I understand you would crossover your mains somewhere around 80hz but LFE runs up to 120hz on most setups - wouldn’t you want to address that big lump above 100hz

@shoolaces88 2 года назад

Would running audyssey after al these steps mess up we and levels timing etc? Been reading to run before and after…

@hellonwheelsuknow6556 11 месяцев назад

Thanks much

@jefffan171 3 года назад

Great video. Brad's video series is an essential must watch on this. Separately from this. I would love to see look of someone who managed to convince their partner or loved one to allow the purchase of a third subwoofer after the first two didn't play nice. Go though everything then somehow, some way got a Forth one in the house only to watch the measurements tank down before adding the eq and alignment. That right there, is a life and death situation for many domestic families. So really and truly, this video could help save the lives of all those who watch it and not be knocked out by their own subwoofer when their family see the first response 😉

@darrenchase886 3 месяца назад

Thanks what laptop software do I need

@Youthman 3 месяца назад

Google Room EQ Wizard

@erikandmarcie 3 года назад

Also, great info for a single listening position. But what's the trade-off for the other listening positions and is there a good compromise?

@aussieexpat 2 года назад

Can you mix and match subs if you are going to individually EQ them all?

@Youthman 2 года назад

Yes. I just recommend keeping them all sealed or ported. You can mix sealed and ported but they are much more difficult to calibrate

@aussieexpat 2 года назад

@@Youthman cool. It strikes me the HD version has a lot of features that are simply not needed if you are doing sub woofer eq?

@Youthman 2 года назад

miniDSP allows you to time align, adjust phase and EQ each sub independently.

@m4nc1n1 3 года назад

I wonder if the UMIK-2 is much better than the UMK-1

@Youthman 3 года назад

Not sure.

@anandshah71 Год назад

Can it be possible to make a video on steps to do this cause I am now used to dsp and rew

@Youthman Год назад

Home Theater Gamer has a great series on miniDSP

@anandshah71 Год назад

@@Youthman yes am aware but say your particular senario how you did that no one has done real expample and steps

@voiceofreason9238 3 года назад

Perfect timing as usual Michael (get it?). I had two subs and just added two more and was wondering how to make them all play nice together. Dumb question: Can I use the EQ built into my Marantz 6011 to smooth out the peaks and nulls after measuring? I know it's not as sophisticated as the mini-DSP but I look at it as a place to start. I had not heard of Brad until this video. I'm headed over to his channel now. Thanks for the heads-up on a great resource!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Audyssey does not have the ability to take the measurements that REW makes and use them. Audyssey has its own algorithm. Typically you time align, EQ and maybe add a house curve within miniDSP and then run Audyssey last

@avsolutions212 3 года назад

Whenever run audyssey before do we need to factory reset the entire unit? Is it need and is it good for avr?

@Youthman 3 года назад

No need for factory reset unless something is wrong with your unit or maybe you purchase a used unit and want to set everything back to factory

@avsolutions212 3 года назад

@@Youthman is that any problem for unit doing the reset?

@Youthman 3 года назад

No problem doing a factory reset

@eyeshezzy 3 года назад

Your friend looks like Shoemoney 😂

@eflizotte 3 года назад

This is certainly a great start! However, integrating the subs with the mains is where magic really happens… another video on doing that integration would be great!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Unfortunately I only have these for another week and have to return them so I will not have the opportunity to do a video on that.

@tomvanrijswijk4517 3 года назад

I’m impressed that you even got rid of the large dip in the response. Very interesting project, must be great fun!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Yeah it’s crazy my room always has pretty massive nulls, regardless of where I place a single sub. I get the same with my dual JTR subs. Using the miniDSP, I’m now flat down to 8Hz.

@roccobruno8027 3 года назад

Awesome!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thanks

@LiuMav 3 года назад

Can you do a video about 4 Svs micro 3000s vs one larger SVS?

@Youthman 3 года назад

Only have these for one more week and I currently do not have any other SVS Subwoofers in for review

@azriazris 3 года назад

Svs subwoofer perfect performance bro👍👍👍👍👍

@shaolin95 Год назад

Lol toys compared to Rythmik and PSA

@techcode_man 3 года назад

Lol. Yumik yumiiike.

@bkrhino1 3 года назад

Nice video. Did you listen to them? If so, thoughts?

@Youthman 3 года назад

Not yet. We spent five hours calibrating and shooting the video. Brad had to leave and my wife and I had plans that evening. This weekend I will spend some time with them and share my thoughts and my final review next week

@ben23a31 3 года назад

Thanks for the video because setting up multiple subs correctly is a time consuming process ! Question, after calibrating the subs wouldn't your front speakers have yet another affect on the bass especially if they're medium to large?

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thanks. Yes we spent about five hours calibrating and shooting the video and we could’ve spent even more time darling them an even better. My main speakers are set to small

@ben23a31 3 года назад

@@Youthman got it. I suspect with small fronts at about 80hz wouldn't make a big difference but with full range fronts it could alter things. Suggestions?

@CarlosGomez-THX_1138 3 года назад

Brad rocks!

@jasonsullivan8001 3 года назад

Good video 👍

@anandshah71 3 года назад

Nice video but would had been great if the steps how to use software could be show. MiniDSP people give is tutorial for non techie customers then you will get more sales I wish Dirac could make something full auto with better dsp hardware as an option to miniDSP

@Youthman 3 года назад

As mentioned, the steps we used are provided in Brad’s 5 part series. We spent 4-5hrs dialing in these 4 subs. No need to reinvent the wheel when Brad already has a video series teaching you exactly how to do it.

@anandshah71 3 года назад

@@Youthman ahh great didn’t know he had a channel. Need of the hour thanks again

@Youthman 3 года назад

Yes I mention his channel several times in the video, linked to the series at the end of the video and as well as in the description below 🤣

@tedmanasa907 3 года назад

Nice work! Did you try Dirac Live Bass Control for the four subs? I wonder if there are worthwhile advantages to going the DLBC route vs. manually integrating with miniDSP.

@Youthman 3 года назад

My Marantz AV7706 has Audyssey.

@tedmanasa907 3 года назад

@@Youthman I thought you were still rocking that HTP-1!

@Youthman 3 года назад

No most of the gear I review is on a 90 day review period and is then shipped back to the manufacturer

@mfkhometheater7742 3 года назад

Great video! Did you do multi location measurements? My goal will be not only to get the response nice and flat but to accomplish that as uniformly across the entire listening area as possible. I put in enough speaker cable to have as many as four aux woofers on each side of the room in addition to the main woofers. Hopefully I won't need that many but I will find out when I start measuring. I still haven't bothered to learn REW, I suppose I should but I've been using ARTA for years and I'm just sticking with familiarity. I'm not really convinced those UMIK microphones are adequate, maybe they are but I've been using Earthworks mics for years and I know their capabilities. The UMIK would certainly be a lot more economical, I should probably order one and test it... and get off my lazy butt and learn REW. I'm also looking at Smaart, that looks like a nice measurement system for about a grand which isn't bad, back in the day MLSSA set me back almost four grand and it's totally obsolete now but it was great in its day. MLSSA ran only in DOS, no Windows version! No miniDSP or any other DSP back then either, you had to design/build analog filters to do all that. You young guys don't know how easy you have it:-) Back in my early DIY days when I still did ported boxes we didn't have box modeling software, we did differential equations on pocket calculators or slide rules, like I said, you young guys don't know how easy all this stuff is today!

@Youthman 3 года назад

No this was done for a single seat. We spent about 4 to 5 hours doing that. Calibrating for multiple locations would definitely take much longer.

@mfkhometheater7742 3 года назад

@@Youthman Yes, it helps to use multiple microphones so you can see what's happening at all locations at the same time.

@Youthman 3 года назад

Of course that is ideal.

@mfkhometheater7742 3 года назад

@@Youthman Oh btw, I probably would have calibrated it just a little different. Instead of bringing everything down to the bottom of that high Q (narrow band) notch, I probably would have just brought it down part way leaving about 5 or 6 dB of the notch there. This is because it is such a narrow band and wouldn't be all that noticeable. From a graph point of view, it's much prettier the way you did it but from a practical point of view it's probably not quite as optimum. Yeah, I like to make the graphs pretty too but over the years of doing this, I've learned it doesn't always produce the best result. Sometimes a good approximation is better than dialing in to the Nth degree. There is always some kind of balance of trade offs going on.

@performingspecs7841 3 года назад

Not sure if there was a follow up video or not but how did the subs sound in the room after the EQ, was it a noticeable difference in sound and output?

@Youthman 3 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6wcvpfAvjFs.html

@performingspecs7841 3 года назад

Thanks for the link for the update. Great video by the way and the results seem honest for this small sub. I have been running 4 subs in my theater for a while ( 2 SB 16s and two HSU ULS 15s.) and I am pretty happy with the sound but I wonder if I could get even more output. The most I have done as far as tweeking is set the rear subs at 180 degree phase and set the SB 16s at their recommended settings and volume. If I get too bored I might give the mini DSP a try. I’d like to see if it would make much of a difference for me.

@Youthman 3 года назад

It made a huge difference in my setup - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_ZxbM_s4vh0.html If you end up getting one, check out the home theater Gamers channel. He has an entire Series on miniDSP

@thomassamson826 3 года назад

Hai bro yooth man.i am not happy,,😢😢😢

@Youthman 3 года назад

Oh yeah? Why is that?

@thomassamson826 3 года назад

My place big beech Whater

@Youthman 3 года назад

@thomassamson826 3 года назад

Samson,😭😭😭😭😭😭

@Darkside_C7 3 года назад

Thanks y'all! Very helpful.

@Youthman 3 года назад

Glad you found the video helpful. Happy Friday

@AllAboutVideography 3 года назад

Does the mini DSP 2X4HD stay hooked to the AVR after calibration or it is just a calibration tool?

@Youthman 3 года назад

It’s a DSP (digital signal processor) so it remains in line. Sound comes from the sub out on my Marantz AV7706, into the miniDSP 2x4HD, time alignment, house curve and EQ adjustments are made, then sent to my dual JTR subs.

@AllAboutVideography 3 года назад

@@Youthman Thank you for getting back to me. As a sub 500 subscriber RU-vidr, you are a great inspiration to me. keep making great content.

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thank you for the kind words. It’s a hard grind but it’s worth the effort.

@Youthman 3 года назад

You just gained a new subscriber. Your production quality is outstanding (I would expect nothing less from a videographer), your thumbnails are on point. There is no doubt you will continue to grow. My only recommendation would be to try and upload one video per week vs one per month. That will help you grow faster. Good luck with your channel and with your business.

@AllAboutVideography 3 года назад

@@Youthman TY :)

@joseagui6125 3 года назад

as always, very good video. I liked it.

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thanks Jose

@joseagui6125 3 года назад

thank you always👍

@excxflyr 3 года назад

great info

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thanks

@nidhindelta 3 года назад

The same can be done using some sound analizer like free mobile app .

@victorpulos823 3 года назад

Svs or jtr subs you did?

@Youthman 3 года назад

Huh?

@victorpulos823 3 года назад

@@Youthman what sub was used for this video?

@Youthman 3 года назад

I mentioned it at the beginning of the video. 4 SVS 3000 Micro

@victorpulos823 3 года назад

@@Youthman I see sorry

@Youthman 3 года назад

No prob

@joentell 3 года назад

Me like!!!

@Youthman 3 года назад

Thanks Joe

@kuriakos36 Год назад

Please buudddy tell me what house curve you use for subs and speaker's 🤗🤗🤗

@Youthman Год назад

It is a custom house curve

@kuriakos36 Год назад

@@Youthman can youu tell me the numbers for subwoofer at least to put them in audyssey app please??🤗

@shaggs2riches 2 года назад

When I saw this, I went over to Brad's channel and subscribed. It is awesome that you guys all support each other like you do. I followed Brad's mini dsp tutorials this past weekend. They are solid instructions, that are easy to follow. I was able to get a beautiful house curve with my dual sb3000 setup. The bass blends so nice with my system now. I have had the mini dsp for a long time, but I was intimidated to start setting it up before.

@Youthman 2 года назад

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I shared your comments with Brad.