Camel Control Showdown: AIA vs. Speedline 

Yeah all I can think of while watching this is how much more effective could they be with an AR-10. A bolt gun simply can’t compete.

...and suppressed. You'd think the loss of the boom would keep the camels from running/bolting.

For this type of occupational work you'd get an AR-10 in most other states in Australia. In a couple of other states you'd get a can for it too.

@@chrisbrent7487 this must be filmed in Australia’s equivalent of our California

@@michael4265 Well the whole country is a bit California regarding firearms. In most of it people who need them for occupational reasons can get semi autos. Regular folks here cant even get a 10/22

Amazing! Thanks will touch base with you tomorrow! 👍

How good is that? Awesome

Hi Bastian

Companies being good citizens.

That’s great service speed line importers.

Just about anything from cz is mint

Shooting in that sort of country, I would not lube my mags at all. Especially as they are lying around in a dusty old ute. I would wipe them clean regularly and never lube them. Dust loves lube and they will stop working quicker than keeping them clean and very dry. If that AIA Enfield has a scope I would be putting that Verney away. European made rifle in the dusty, dirty outback. No wonder your having mag and rifle jams. Also, are you breeding miniature camels out there or are those young camels orphans from your previous hunts?? Those 3 look like they are still on the tit?

You make a good point about the lube however based on my experience culling camels and brumbies in the Simpson a dry lube like silconsolicon improves the may they feed. Also it's important to keep them dust free. I carry my mags in old socks and I never leave them loaded with the springs under tension.@@dwanehart8150

Well said,

literally all his problems are from jamming the mags in as he does.

"... on an AR"? LOL. The AR mag gets inserted straight. It is impossible to rock it in. And they're called feed lips. Jamming the mags in won't "being the round to the front of the mag." Stretching out a spring past it's yield point is worthless to do. It may last 1 reload. And no, most msgs aren't genetic with spacers. That's is absolutely the exception not the rule. It is done in done find that take STANAG mags, but it's certainly not "most." Most guns that shoot multiple calibers on the same platform only rely on a base plate change. It seems like most of your "gun knowledge" is based on watching too much RU-vid, rather than actual real world gun experience.

The has problems becuase its remade for 308

It's mildly gamey when BBQd, very similar in flavour to Koala.

Gamy goat

Semi auto bad, scary. Police and pollies shit themselves over them

​@@shanevillis4079so true but I mean if you have a unarmed population and the attacker has a single shot 410 they still out gun the victims

​@@Theshropshireratterhold on there mate, politicians do not use such things as "facts" or "logic"

I was having trouble picking between the 77 scout and the AIA, I chose the AIA because of the magazines and how well the old 303 went. (I e. Fast) I like the modernized Mauser actions as well. I have a new rifle on the way which will be great to test out, and appears to be well suited to the task.

Did you ever use a Lee Enfield 303 ? Surely 180gn 303 would do just fine . & a nice refurbished sporter with custom scout mount & scope is what I’d be looking at . With nicely tuned stripper clips , one of those will feed as fast as Aussie laws allow . Not only that but stripper clips are cheap & light & less bulky. This is a build I have in the pipeline , however mine will be a 338 303 wildcat . Making use of better quality high BC , heavier projectiles. Perfect for what your doing .

@@concernedaussie1330 yes, and nothing drops a camel as well as a 303. I've dropped a decent number with one. It's availability why we use the 308. I would get a 303 if the right one came up, and I could do some good work. I have some old footage of me using a 303 (No4mk1) on camels.

@@jack_out_the_back Amen brother. Well maybe I should just do this 1st one in 303 & save the custom wildcat cartridge $$$ on the scout scope & mounts . Unfortunately most rimless smle conversions including the AIA don’t feed as reliably as the “ dirty old rimmed 303 “ I’d love to see some old “three oh” footage. Especially as a bit of evidence to my mates , that justifies my obsession 😁👍🏻👊

@@jack_out_the_back mate a properly thoughtout desert / red dirt rifle imo . Should be dry lubed instead of oil or grease . Lower pressure loads if that can be helped. ( 303's low pressure & large rim & generous chamber dimension ) might excel in the desert. Buying bulk of the ppu 180gr would be the way to go . Nice flat point cast lead projectiles of 190 +grains with hitek coating would be ideal. Cheap & very effective. Hmmm smle desert patrol rifle ! You got my cogs turning now.

Lithgow's only go to .308 ... I'd argue that's more than a tad light for camels, and somewhat unethical

@@claverton Both Enfield and Speedline are 308, so obviously not.

That is the calibre, he is using, with a soft point it appears to be enough, out to 200mt.

@@claverton Sorry mate but you're totally wrong, the 308 is one of the best camel rounds you can use with 150 to 180 gn projectiles.

Gosh I wish I could have those here. I use to have a rem700 in 308 in a KRG Whisky 3 chassis, which was great! I really want to give thermal a go, could be very interesting up here.

5 rounds will get her warm and 10 hot, the fluted barrel cools down alright but expect the group to wonder if you put 20 rounds through it in quick succession. That said, it's a hunting rifle not a 1 inch heavy barrel setup.

@goingdark1187 im sure it's good for minute of camel at 200mtrs for a fair few more rounds 😂

I dropped a camel on Wednesday with the tikka from a tank. It was sweet. But we haven't tried it out on ant great numbers like we have the Remington, AIA or the Browning.

Ha ha hope that's a typo! Ant ain't that annoying is he!

Sounds like you want us to be like the US, 3000 school kids murdered in their classrooms. You let guns out to the mainstream and you get another Martin Bryant so think before you rant about “empty symbolism” and “victimisation of law abiding citizens”. We have a much safer country since the COMMUNITY said enough is enough and asked the states & territories to just tighten up the rules.

Jeeez a blazer r8 there already expensive enough

I can vouch for Sako, they are some of the most reliable and more notably, SMOOTH bolt actions I have ever used *(As an American)*

Waiting on the approvals.. but it should be great for this work. Looking forward to testing it out.

Nah I don't, and even when I go out I usually only like to have 7 rounds in the magazine, unless I'm in it, then I'll go full stack. I Have just stripped the mags and applied silicone lube to the followers and the mag. there was a bit of really fine dust in there.

I think we all know that there are benefits but given the volume and also how rapid the firing is, stopping to collect brass probably isnt an option. Also given his obvious skill i suspect the extra accuracy might not be of real use

I have, and that was when I was using my Rem700 and the Parker Hale, both took the same magazine which was handy. (I should have got a Ruger scout!) I usually keep the second rifle in the car so I can switch out, but ok a normal work day I usually only need one rifle. Cheers I'm glad you've found the channel!

Yes, I've had issues with the gas system before, but the back up service was great, they got it functioning again, it's no where as easy to field strip and maintain as other rifles, which does limit it's suitability for this environment and role. And I agree, it needs cleaning every 150 rounds, which is an issue as we frequently would have a session where we go through more than that in a day.

@@jack_out_the_back Haven’t found the perfect rifle yet ?. And I’ve found if you ever happen to accidentally have the lever depressed when pulling the trigger just push the charging handle forward not backwards. One of my subscribers said he just lets his thumb slip off the back of the lever which almost eliminates the problem and increases his rate of fire it works.Good luck safe hunting.

​ @mrbikehunter Yeah I would just operate it like a forward assist on an F88 or AR platform. but only had that issue as the gas system wore. We have a Wedgetail MPR that is still awaiting approval, and I can't wait to test it out. The reason I keep the AIA going is because I know it is easy to clear and will keep working, even if you have to beat it a little. A bit of a polish and I'll have it working as smooth as I use to. Cheers!

I've used a good number of them, and they go well. I have some stashed away which I can test out. At the moment I'm chewing my way through PPU 150gr soft point. And then I'm onto PMC.

@@jack_out_the_back dead is dead at the end of the day, I guess if you can do it cheaper per shot than that’ll be better for you. Seem like both shoot ‘minute of camel’ anyway so all is well!

Every single one is a disaster. Typical Government negligence every time.

The Italians have integrated very well

Interesting, I hadn't thought about camels and their invasive nature. Kinda like horses here in the US, I guess? Good hunting

⁠​⁠​⁠@@craigparker4108Goats, donkeys, buffalo, camels, deer and a few others have nothing to do with government so just making shite up won’t add to your lack of credibility. All of those were either escapees or deliberately let into the wild without permission. The same goes for Carp & Tilapia. Cane toads could possibly be blamed on government but really it was poor research by the Bureau of Sugar Experiments that introduced them from Hawaii to eat the invasive Cane beetle. The toads ate everything else except for Cane beetles (sarcasm). Where governments could be commended is properly introducing the devastating Cactoblastis caterpillars which wiped out the vast majority of Prickly Pear. As for rabbits we decided it would be fab to let ‘em loose to feed poor lost travellers and make us a bit like England. Better release some foxes to eat them but our native wildlife was a lot easier to kill than rabbits. The government got the scientists to release myxomatosis which knocked over most of the bunnies so the foxes ate even more wildlife. $30,000 fine to keep a pet rabbit in Qld. I left the worst till last, see where your argument about governments being negligent is going? The worst of the lot are CATS. 25 extinct species and counting due to one cute little furry clawed animal, the cat. Currently we are trying to kill 3,000,000 which is the tip of the iceberg. Now which did I forget, oh yes horses, nothing to do with government negligence, I think we can bury that conspiracy theory. Trampling the high country as if it was their paddock, if you’ve ever bush walked or skied above the treeline at about 1,400m you’d see the devastation they’ve caused to ecosystems that did not evolve with hard hoofed animals as Australia has no native hard hoofed animals.

@@bretthumphries7911 Feral Hogs is probably a better example in the US.

Yeah we do, we've done a number of videos using it.

We are currently investigating scope cams so we can get some better footage for everyone 👍

Yes you do, we aren't allowed semi-automatic centerfire rifles here in Western Australia. "There is no genuine need" for them.

The gas system has had a new part put in which made it operate better. The gun laws here are frustrating, I'm still waiting on approval of my new rifle, it could be 6+ weeks before I can pick it up.

Unfortunately we don't have a market for the camel, not an economically viable one anyway, we have done some pet meat, and we cover that in one of our videos if you want to check it out. We wish there was something better we could do with this high quality meat.

Did some research and camel meat has more value overseas than here...first thing I thought was how good would it be for the farm if it did have value. It would sort out the pest problem and give ya some coin...win/win. Mind sets in Australia are so set on the mainstream meats. I love wallaby and roo but most people are shocked I eat skippy lol, even tried possum once. Wallaby rendang pie...yummo.

Yeah I have a pump that's awaiting approval, and its Australian made! I had a Rem7600, worst rifle I've ever had. the 270 is ok, good for reaching out.

@@jack_out_the_back Interesting you say that. I have a Remington Gamemaster 760 (very similar, although some design differences) in 30-06, and I love it. Lightweight, accurate, reliable, etc. What problems did you run into?

Yes, pretty much all the time

No they don't.

I've tried a few straight pull rifles, and they weren't that flash. The speedline is a lever release, so it will be interesting to test it out in the thick of things.

I may be wrong but it does not look hot there when that video was made. I think his issues are far more likely to be dust related. Did you see the interior of his ute??

@@dwanehart8150 does look hot where he is but I can promise you it is, also I think he’s referring to the heat generated from shooting lots of shots quickly.

Magazines are a restricted item, which is rather frustrating. We need an import licence from state and federal levels to bring firearms or parts in.

@@jack_out_the_backhi from Perth. With the work you do could you not apply for cat C?

@@Harry-yx2on We can have cat C. But that's only semi automatic rimfire (22, we have a semi 22 magnum) and semi/pump 12 gauge, which aren't exactly great for any range.

@@jack_out_the_back I thought for sure you would qualify for a straight pull

I've got a stack of longer mags for the speedline, they are horrible! I've opened them up and identified the issue. It's missing a block to shorten it up for the .308, and no one has managed to make them yet. They sent a bunch of new followers, what I need is a spacer block and a shorter follower.

Cheers for the advice 👌

I work with a gunsmith for 15 years there are guys who have the patterns for that mag I’ll do a bit of digging and if I can find them I’ll send it over 👍

@@rareaussie6960 awesome!! Much appreciated! I also have another Australian made rifle on its way (just waiting on the paperwork from WAPOL) which I'll feature and talk about.

Wedgetail make a good pump action just ashame you carnt get the semi auto variant,the are made in Vic but unfortunately you live in the comunist state of WA .But we are catching up fast in the east😢

Yep

Most of the time they get left where they fall

@@Daniel-wn2dm thank you

Too far from any where to ship them to and too fewer processors