Campagnolo Record 12: Is It Better Than Di2 and AXS? 

55 year old Disabled Marine here. I ride a 1984 Colnago Mexico with Campagnolo Nuevo. Don't know how far I rode this year, I just rode.

Ride on Tom!

Awesome

Respect

That’s great Tom.

Ciao!

There is no need for 12s on 2x systems,

@@ea21411 1x is fine with 11 also for an offroad bike.

It is the best time to buy second hand lightweight rimbrake bikes for peanuts from people who "upgraded" to 8kg+ aero disc bikes 🤣😂

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Actually last year after being riding Shimano and Sram for years for the first time in my life i rode a 10sp Campy equipped bike and ....kept it 😀 and truly there is something special in there or just I'm going Campy 🤔...🤦🏼‍♂️

Thank you Steven

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Thanks for sharing that William👍🏾

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​@@thegoodwheel You make quite a thing of the multi-gear change features for Record and Super Record. I haven't used 12sp yet, but in 10 and 11 speed this feature is also present in Chorus. In my understanding, the three gruppos have the same features except for weight.

@@AndrewBlucher thanks for watching. The whole point of the video is to show some unique features of the 12 speed Record compared to other 12 speed offerings on the market. "Is this the best value in 12 speed groupsets on the market?" There isn't an implication that the 11 speed doesn't do it.👍🏾

@@thegoodwheel Ah, I you misunderstood my meaning, which was that Chorus so far has had all the features of the higher gruppos, so I'd expect that to continue.

@@AndrewBlucher Indeed, Chorus is the cheapest SR12 you can buy. However, if you want EPS you need to go all the way to SR

Hi Leslie! Thanks for sharing. That c40 sounds like a dream👍🏾

Ride on Terry! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

Hi Jamie! Greeting to you and thanks for sharing. 13 speed for road, I hope not. I left out the Mavic zapp because, well... it didn't do well. But yes. Thanks for watching👍🏾

Thanks for sharing👍🏾

Thank you Bradley! I appreciate that👍🏾

I have 2006 Chorus on one of my bikes, and it still works flawlessly. Love those smooth but precise shifts.

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That's quiet a stable you have👍🏾

Thank you Howard! Your sentiment is really appreciated 👍🏾

I would add to the list - hookless rims

Absolutely agree. Although I'm happy with tubeless. Been doing it for years but could live with either or both if I had too. Tried shimano and campag electronic and mech. I dont have any bikes with electronic at the mo and no plans to get one especially.

Yah Agree with inner cable issue, it's noisy also , sometimes smashing the downtube inside and creating noise...

What is not discussed in the video and what people just don't focus on is the fact that with the same space between the rear dropouts and added sprockets the chains are getting thinner and thinner and their lifespans dropping drastically because there are NO innovations and/or new materials within the industry to compensate that. My claim is supported by Sram's product description for their new "outer straight designed " 12 speed chains. My Wippermann 7 speed chains almost lasted forever compared to my current 10 speed Shimano/Sram/KMC chains. Will stay with 10 speed because I am too old for new "upgrades". Same mileage usage decreases can be said about bicycle tyres. The industry never takes their hands out of our wallets.

Thank you for sharing BonBon flippers!

Thanks for watching. Sachs disappeared but were good components

Welcome aboard!

Hi William! Thanks for watching... it's a great brand👍🏾

Thise 8 speed groupsets were very robust Matt! Hold on to 'em👍🏾

Hi Wayne! Thanks for watching, I do follow your videos and did see it👍🏾

Ticks all the boxes👍🏾

I think it's amazing that you've kept your steel Rossin! Thanks for sharing👍🏾

Thank you Jon👍🏾

Awesome! Love this👍🏾

Thank you Jan! Working on it👍🏾

Hi Joe! Thank you so much. Maybe I'll see you on a ride in Tampa👍🏾

Thanks for watching Aria👍🏾

Agreed Sebastian!

@sebastianm2381 echo you 100%. The market bargain at present is 12spd Chorus, nigh on same performance as SR and R, difference is handful of grams. Campagnolo has always delivered ‘true value’ ie : quality in its top tier products , now in the current market it can deliver ‘best value for money’ as well. Oh happy days 😍

Thanks for watching Mario!

Thanks for sharing that Luke👍🏾

I totally agree on the bb30/BBright, nothing but trouble for me.

Thanks for sharing your insights Nelly👍🏾

Hi JD, thanks for sharing your insights👍🏾

Thank you John!

Thank you Romani! SRAM seems to really shine on MTB

Hi Victor, I remember that groupset. The new Campy stuff is stellar👍🏾

Thank you Stan👍🏾

Thank you Rickysee👍🏾

Thanks for sharing Jonathan! You are definitely an inspiration to keep pushing the pedals 👍🏾

Nice experience! Thanks for sharing👍🏾

Hi thank you for sharing your thoughts. The Record vs Rival reference was in regard to a recent review I did of the Rival. The Rival and Red have the same internals, shifting speed etc, and I was attempting to equate the speed of the Record 12 mech with that of SRAMs internals... but point taken👍🏾

Frankengrearing! Love it👍🏾

Thanks for sharing your insights Xavier... and congratulations on that win👍🏾

Well put Kevin👍🏾

Hi Christopher, thank youbfor sharing your insights and experiences 👍🏾

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Thank you Gibbo!

Thank you edmasamo!

That should be a trusted seller😁 The Record 12 is really outstanding 👍🏾

Thank you for sharing your experience with both the 10 and 12. I am glad to hear you are holding on to the 10... it is an amazing groupset👍🏾

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Sounds awesome Steven👍🏾

Thank you Fam👊🏾

Thanks for watching mariconor👍🏾

Thank you Sir!

Thank you Lionel👍🏾

Hey Pete! Thanks for sharing that👍🏾

That sounds like a nice build. Thanks for sharing

Thank you Richard👍🏾

Thank you 🙏🏾

Thanks for sharing that idea James... many have considered that option.

Thanks for sharing your experience Kalani👍🏾

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Gone are the days of *Keeping It Simple* - I still prefer riding Bikes from the late 80's, and 90's to anything made today!

@@dizzybuizzy9347 I am old rider (68 years) and have ridden that era. Nevertheless 2 innovations made cycling easier which I would not like to miss. Clipless pedals and STI levers. No way I am going back to downtube shifting and leather and cage pedals.

Thanks for sharing that Adam👍🏾

Thank you Henry!

Ha ha! Thank you. That hat gave me a lot of grief when I lived in Atlanta😁

Agreed... and thanks for sharing about the custom solution for the Emonda cable stops👍🏾

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Thanks for sharing that Thomas. Sounds like a super build👍🏾

i was looking into the 12 with rim brakes..if i did,, i would sell the new calipers and go back a few years,, and buy the pretter record calipers....the new 12 calipers and very ugly

@@randellgribben9772 I hear ya.. I dislike the new style crank design that Campagnolo uses these days, the "four arm" ones. The older ones with five "arms" looked much better in my opinion. I think the 11 speed super record was the last one to use the five arm style, which had been pretty much unchanged since the C-Record

I have Super Record, Record, and Chorus 11 speed on three bikes I have and the cables were done 6 or 7 years ago. They shift as good as the day they were done. The cable inners ends are soldered not crimped the cable outers are properly finished which is the true KEY towards longevity. I DO NOT GET SHOPS TO DO THE CABLES, I DO THEM MYSELF. I find shops view it as a disposable product, do not properly finnish they actually want you to come back every 6 months as it is they're bread and butter and you have been SOCIALISED that cables are expendible, unreliable and require constant replacement. I use Campagnolo sealed ferrule at the derailleur cable end and sealed cap at the downtube. Teflon grease is run down the inner, cable outers are filled with Teflon oil. The nner cable ends are soldered. The cable lengths are inner and outers are determined dry, recorded for possible future replacement, where they could be sized and finished before removing the currently fitted cables. RESULT 7 years and counting. It's a falicy the inners wear out. They are pre stretched Campagnolo stainless inners, I use a shop box roll of Durace outer. It is the outer cable that is problematic and requires replacement due to plastic ferrules being use where the individual wires pull into the ferrules, use stainless, Campagnolo etc and the cable ends are not supported for cable end integrity support. If inner cables are not crushed from being crimped you REUSE THEM. Oh my God I can hear shops the World over saying OFF WITH HIS GONNADS. I might not need to replace my cables during my lifetime. Go figure. Don't buy ELECTRONIC unless you are rich and replace your bike every couple of years there is no longevity and manufacturers will change standards and compatibility to ensure this. Uck them.

Sounds like a great project Ian👍🏾

Thank you Kato👍🏾

Hi Rob! Thank you and Happy New Year👍🏾

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 👍🏾

Hi Martin, thanks for sharing. My 12-25 cassette 11speed is on of my favorite go to ratios👍🏾

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Very nice!

Thank you for sharing your experience David 👍🏾

I have had the same trouble, a FSA crankset and bb solved that for my customer.

@@joramvandervorst7715 is it trouble though? I saw BBs that had exceptional run-out (when you push them without a chain and they spin without any external resistance and forces), but were not stiff, had strange behavior when you actually pedal... Can't say if they had actually more resistance under load (i doubt anyone can by bare legs), but you can think of bearing with and without grease. Empty bearing will run *MUCH* easier without load, but with load - greased one will be better in terms of resistance (not mentioning longer live and higher reliability). Ultratorque is not perfect, but resistance performance is not it's downside, as far as i know and could feel riding. And when we are talking about cartridge vs cups - cartridge will always have better run-out (giving good cartridge and straight frame ofc) just because it is one assembly.

That front mech failure has apparently been an issue. Mine failed and I had it warranteed. I can't remember what I used in the interim... either Centaur or Athena, but I never took it off.

Thanks Mike👍🏾

Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

Hi Simon! Thank you... Mavic Zapp if I remember correctly.

Agree. I have stopped "upgrading" with 10 speed.

Thanks for sharing Loc👍🏾

Also, 9-speed seems to last forever. The guy at my local bike shop just today dissuaded me from changing my chain. Again. He did the same last year. Chain is now well over 10.000km... As I refused to belive him, he measured it in front of my eyes. He was, of course, right. (Never argue with a mechanics' experience). Someone once said Shimano wears out, Campagnolo wears in, and maybe there is some truth to that. (Somewhere in my fathers basement there is a wheelset with my grandfathers Nuovo Record hubs, that I rebuilt after he gave them to me. Rebuilt means new balls, new cones and new grease. The bearing surface in the hub itself was fine, and the weight of the valves was enough to turn the wheels after the rebuild. According to Grandpa's training logs, these hubs had run more than 130.000km at this time!)

@@turboseize haha, maybe you need to cycle harder! 9 speed is great but in my experience it definitively wears out. At least it’s cheap

@@loc9588 I may not be fast, but I am heavy and somewhat strong (former competetive rower). At least I manage to snap spokes and break rims regularly. ;-) Which is prove that Campagnolo products CAN break - I have 32-spoke Montreal 76 rim that has cracked around the spoke holes... Maybe taking this wheelset onto gravel wasn't the smartest idea, and maybe 25mm on gravel arent that prudent either. And at 110kg bodyweight, that might even have been stupid...

Keep on riding Stephen! Thanks for sharing👍🏾

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That is a great combination of bike and grouppo👍🏾

@@thegoodwheel thanks! I actually chose the chorus group over the record in part because I liked the style of the brakes better. Heard campy 8sp cassettes are very hard to find these days. Take care 😎.

Thank you Kevin!

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It is going to be interesting to see how you like all thise changes at once. Thanks for sharing👍🏾

Thanks for your insights Jeffery!

Thanks for sharing your experience Guido!

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Thanks for sharing that👍🏾