Imagine how harmful it is for a young gay Christian to be told that the reason they are gay is that they don’t love God enough, and as long as they are still gay, they are still not loving God enough, and God has “abandoned” them. How incredibly traumatizing.
Oof, yeah. There was some comfort in the "such were some of you" line by Paul, but with the Romans 1 "abandoned" passage and the Hebrews 6 forever "fallen away" verse, there were certainly times in my God-loving teenage years that I thought (due to my unrelenting attractions) it was possible I had failed and already undergone final judgment. 🙃 Fuuuuun.
You cannot conquer your sin in your own power but you can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. Just obey God the temptation will still be there.renew your mind with his word. Seek him and you will find him. That's a promise from God himself. I had the same problem and struggled with it. But God gives the victory.
christianity is just fundamentally cruel and misanthropic and should be abandoned instead of trying to 'negotiate' it into something humane or progressive with postmodern anti-logic
I never understood those passages as talking about individuals but about the world in general. There's sin in the world because it has turned away from God. Even Paul in Romans says he's a sinner, so I doubt his message is that if you have those desires it means you're not faithful.
I live in a Christian household and go to a Christian school and go to church every Sunday. My whole life the community I am around has told me that it is a sin to be gay and the kids at my school go out of their way to harass anyone they think might be gay. I haven’t come out to my family because of this and idk what they are going to say about it. These things that people say are extremely harmful and can mess with someone pretty bad. I already don’t feel safe at my school but if any of the kids found out I was gay I would be even more unsafe. It’s dangerous, harmful, and not even true. Please be kind to everyone ❤
The community is right. It is a sin. There’s verses in the Bible clarifying it too. Deuteronomy 22:5 and Leviticus 18:22 for example. But listen to this… We hate the sin but love the sinner. It is not out of hate my friend, but out of love that we help guide and share that with you. And yes it’s true that we are sin and fall short and we all need saving. But if your faith in God is true, there will be at least some kind of resistance in being gay or transgender or any kind. If there’s not, and you’re totally happy and see nothing wrong with being gay, then you are not a true believer of God.
@@Frostorm777You’re not a believer of God. A true believer of God will serve God for God’s purposes, because God show his mercy and love through his followers. Satan also show his hatred and intolerance through his followers. When you express your hatred towards someone either spiritually or physically, you are in the camp of Satan.
Frostrom is correct. It is a sin. This guy on video is a false teacher. A wolf in sheep clothing. I have a brother in Christ who struggles with sexual attraction to the same sex. He fights against this urge, because he knows it’s a sin(He came to this conclusion on his own through his own study). He previously lived a gay lifestyle, but knows it was wrong. It’s not how God created him. My mom owned a beauty salon, and she had many gays working for her. She loved them, but saw the results of their lifestyles. Several of them had aids, all of them were alcoholics and suffered with depression. There were numerous times they came into work with black eyes, and various bruises on their bodies. When asked, they told my mom their boyfriends had been beating them. I personally worked with several homosexuals. One told me he had received a “pink slipper”. I had no idea what that was, and they informed me it was when your rectum became inverted from intercourse. Truly sad. God loves you. He can see what the gay lifestyle leads to, and He doesn’t want that for you. Pain and misery is what it leads to from what I’ve seen. God has his commands because He wants the best for us. He doesn’t want to see you in pain or hurt.
So this is the way I look at it , I like guys and girls. That’s it, short and sweet to the point . I don’t categorize myself into a “community” or follow anyone. I like who like and I love the Lord while I’m doing it. I won’t ever let anyone tell me that God doesn’t love me or that I can’t be Christian. Like I said I am only speaking for myself. But I follow to what is true to me from what God provides to me.
It’s not about what we like tho ,the Bible says the heart is deceiving, the moment we put our desires before God ,that’s when He says “you don’t wanna take me seriously, then I won’t change what I need to change in your life” we don’t come to God as we are bc we know we’re perfect or good enough as we are ,we do because we know we’re not, and He is the one who changes us ,if you can’t put God before your desires and your flesh you’re simply not worthy of Him. And btw it’s not about changing completely out of nowhere ,it’s about a constant fight along with God, you cannot claim to be a Christian and purposely sin every day and continuously bc you think that God will still love you, you’re extremely apart from God. Yes God will still love you and He will still be there for you when you turn to Him but you won’t reach eternity by rejecting Jesus or his path. The reason the Bible says we need to come with a humble is heart ,is because we need to understand that we need change and the only one who can help us change is God. The Bible is the word of God and it’s very clear about it (Btw this is coming from a former bisexual who was mainly attracted to men ,I simply no longer live that lifestyle because I chose God instead of my desires)
I’m in the same camp, I understand the good intention other Christians come from but they seem ignorant to how much it hurts to tear us down and apart, it feels like Christians care more about being right than being loving. Which is why I give no man power to speak over my life, this walk I have is with me and God alone.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
@@awwpixel the Bible couldn’t be any clearer about this topic ,not only with the verses specifically talking about homosexuality but also God’s perfect plan ,Adam and Eve not Adam and George ,and marriage ,and the most important part of it ,procreation. Homosexuality isn’t only a bad sin ,but it’s also the most dangerous one nowadays bc it’s not just a sin ,people are proud of their sin ,they call it “pride month” they’re not only proud of their sin but they want us to support them and congratulate them for sinning ,and they want the church to be like “oh you’re a good no worries ,love is love” it’s nonsense ,love is not love ,God is the definition of love ,our perception of love has been distorted and corrupted bc of our new sinful nature ,we are no the ones who give definition to words like love or just ,God is love and he is just.
i was going to be blithe and say "of course! i'm very good at both" but that was a very powerful message at the end, and i'm simply left with: thank you, dr. mclellan
Romans 3:9-10 ESV [9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, [10] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; There are no "very good" Christians, only people who have received the grace of God
@@ChristianTurnes Revisiting this comment, i do agree with you. there is always more to learn and reflect on, and humility is the highest virtue. thank you for the reminder, i do genuinely appreciate it
Why do you think God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah! Because they (the men wanted to "know" the two angels in the house of lLot. These filthy men wanted to have SEX WITH MEN. This is why Lof offered his VIRGIN DAUGHTERS. In Genesis 19:8 Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
That was powerful. I have been looking for the words to express such things, and you provided them. I am not gay, but there will no peace until Christians relent from excluding gays and other groups from gods kingdom. I am not Christian either ,but I live within the framework of that tradition, and it needs to evolve to become more inclusive.
Noone will be standing before you on the day of judgement to give account of how inclusive they were, they will be standing before God to give account of the things done in this life. It would take an exceeding long time to talk to you about what is the Kingdom of God and who will be in it because you know currently absolutely nothing about it. You need to read scripture and ask God for True understanding. The very first step to being a Christain is to Repent which is something LGBQ etc have not done. The only People the Kingdom of God will include is those who love God, and those who love God obey his commandments, learn what they are and then do them! Don't ask any man, let the word of God reveal everything to you. The man is this video twisted and distorted everything to fit with his own personal thoughts, feelings, and beliefs, you can learn absolutely nothing from him!
Listen to him or god?!?! 1 Corinthians 6: 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God
@@WilliamRobison-ze3ip A little Rabbi once told me: _Judge not, that ye be not judged._ _For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again._ _And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?_ In the Bible, how do we know whose words are more important than Jesus? Isn’t God infinitely merciful to judge as He sees fit, or is he obligated to obey Paul’s writing? Does God understand the context and recipients of Paul’s letter, or not? I don’t know enough about things to offer an opinion.
Literally half my family is lgbtq. Has been since i was a kid, so i knew before i ever touched the bible that gay people are valid, caring, loving people.
No, being gay is about sex, not the individual. I can tell you there is nothing good about being gay, and that is absolutely the truth. Bringing sexual desires into the things of God always leads to destruction. Look at lslam. Their heaven is eternal erections and having sex with their woman slaves. It's a sex based belief, and so is your version of the bible. It's not about sexual orientation. It's not. It's not about religious teaching either. It's about a relationship with God. So do not put sex into your faith, because there is not sex in heaven.
@@PurgeKing838 no it doesn't, the Bible doesn't say anything about homosexual relationships. It talks about how men can have their masculinity compromised for participating in same sex intercourse, but we know that to be complete nonsense.
@@infamousgrizzly1358 the Bible also says we are all gods. It also says we were made perfectly in the image of our God. The Bible does not create or limit morals
Thank you for clear explanation of what these passages meant to those who wrote them. A different culture with different understandings! Modern Christians tend to read the Bible from their bias rather than reaching to understand it within the original cultural understanding.
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
A faithful evangelical Christian is not reading from bias, but obedience and reverence, receiving and accepting the teaching which is on the page: exegesis not eisegesis.
@@PurgeKing838If that’s the case then don’t mix fabrics and wear them. Don’t ever sleep with a girl until you marry her, don’t even look at a woman lustfully and don’t lie, cheat, envy, or even think in an ungodly way since you’re so biblically correct.
@@joshuacromley7439 Incorrect. Leviticus means laws, or rules in ancient Hebrew, and were the guiding laws on all aspects of Hebrew society. The Levites were the priest class, and had to know the law to administer appropriate punishment, as man did not have a spiritual intermediary yet.
The verses responded by Dan were also picked. He didn't mentioned I Corinthians. 6:9, which would demage his projection of Paul, or Jesus' view of sexualidad un the gospels. Just like the girl he is responding to, he is taking particular texts to say what his camp, that is not the "concensus" talks about. This is just dogma over new dogma.
As for Romans 1, I consider it similar to Deut 28 where people were cautioned that if they failed to follow the Law of God they would be cursed with any number of ailments and poverty. During Jesus' time, the people naturally assumed that poverty and sickness meant the person was sinful. "Was this man born blind because of his own sin, or his parent's?" Jesus refuted the whole concept that we can judge a person's standing with the Lord based upon random curses that might happen to SOME people. If a man's blindness isn't evidence that God hates him, then homosexuality cannot be used as evidence either.
Your videos don't usually make me emotional, but dang...this one! The way people "defend" the bible and then go about breaking the most important commandments (loving God and our fellow humans) is hurting so many people. I know so many LGBTQ+ people who love God and want to continue practicing their religion but so many of them are pushed out and rejected. It's heartbreaking. 💔
The first and most important commandment is love God. Second is love neighbor. Every Christian has sin, and every Christian struggles with sin. Every Christian has a temptation to re-interpret the Bible to fit their lifestyle. Is not only the gay that struggle with lust. Everyone struggles with lust. Only difference is who you lust after, but is still lust. 1 John said if you say you don't have sin, then you call God a liar. Every Christian have sin even Paul himself. If you say you have no sin, then how will you grow? Christians have one and only one "identity", that is in Christ. You change everything in your life to match your new identity. That is what it means to die to yourself. Your identity is no longer LGBT or lust or drunk etc, but in Christ. A Christian is actually a trans. You transition your identity from male or female to in Christ. Once you loose your identity in whatever it is, you are no longer a slave to that identity. You are free to transition to Christ. So the Bible started this trans movement in Gal 3:28
@@benmlee ALL HABITUAL SIN OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY AND PERVERSION WILL LAND THE PEOPLE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR ETERNITY. LET'S NOT LIE TO PEOPLE. THIS INCKUDES SEXUAL.IMMORALITY FOR HETEROS.
What's heartbreakingbis the habitual sexual immorality that includes the LGBTQ will go to the lake of fire for Eternity. If they love God they will stop and seek Christ for the salvation of their SOULS
@@benmlee”Every Christian has the temptation to re-interpret the Bible the fit their lifestyle.” Is that why there are so many denominations of Christianity to this day? Some of which don’t even believe in Jesus as a divine being? ☠️ The Bible has never had one objective interpretation. Even the parts you think are most essential are, in truth, not safe… they’ve been debated for a long time now and will continue to be debated. Rather than preaching your own interpretation (or the interpretation taught to you by others), figure out what the Bible means to you and then have an open discussion with other believers or non-believers about it without taking an automatic position of objectivity and authority.
Dan, thank you so much for speaking truth, especially when it comes to defending those who are most vulnerable, marginalized, and excluded. Your work is helping to save lives. THANK YOU!
3:05 DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN AND HIS LIES!!!God does not allow homosexuality for it is an Abomination and a sin. 1st Corinthians 6:9 - 10, Do you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. DO NOT BE DECIEVED. Neither Fornicators, nor idoaters, nor adulters, NOR HORMOSEXUALS nor sodomites, nor theives nor covetous, nor drunkards. You cannot live in sin and be with God. People listen to the Word of God, For he is the Way the truth and the life.
@@A.O.T.C How sad that you think your opinion matters as much as someone with a Ph.D. and years of experience studying these sacred texts in their original languages. Fortunately, the rest of us are quite willing to and will readily ignore you.
Thank you SO much for making this and all of your videos that combat all of the toxic, harmful, and flat out inaccurate theological ideas put out there by ignorant or purposefully deceptive people who degrade the name of an awesome, loving God with their self-serving agendas. God bless you and the work you do that is so informative and sorely needed!
@infamousgrizzly1358 Unless you are the living God Himself (which I hate to break it to you, but you're NOT), I don't care what you or your extremely ERRANT and inarguably CONTRADICTION-FILLED bible says.
@infamousgrizzly1358 What part of "I don't care what you say" gives you the impression I'm worked up? 😂 I just can't with you Pharisees, it's a waste of time trying to reason with self-righteous pricks who think they know everything. I'm just gonna let God deal with you. I wouldn't want to be you on Judgement Day...
Thank you for these videos; as a classicist I find them super informative and interesting. You use the phrase “boundary maintenance” a lot, and from context I can pick up on the general vibe you’re going for, but could you explain in more specific detail what you mean by it?
I appreciate your very direct criticisms. You're not afraid to plainly call out faulty or motivated reasoning for what it is, and even better, you tie it directly back to the consequences endured by the targets of this kind of rhetoric. I often get drawn into addressing this kind of rhetoric by assuming it's being expressed in good faith, which maybe sometimes it is. But it doesn't really matter, does it? The end effect is the same, and we need to be able to call out harmful ideas for what they are and point to the very real damage they cause. Thank you for your work.
Hi Dan. Thanks for the great video. I was wondering what you thought of the post structuralist "death of the author" approach to literature and if that is applicable to the bible? Cheers
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
@MexicanNerd10 "There is no hate like Christian love". What does this mean? Why do so many millions, in and outside the faith instantly understand this sentiment? The atrocities committed in the past, in the spirit of saving souls, are an affront to God. When you harm an innocent, it harms all of creation. The theology you espouse kills children, makes them feel disgusting and discarded by God. Even if you believe what you say, pushing it onto others harms others and contributes to self loathing, depression, and suicide. This is not God's plan, but men using God to extort obedience.
@@jnkopf5 One cannot twist the words of God to fit their own ideology and not be expected to be called out. "There is no hate like Christian love" is a statement said by those who are distort the truth and are scared of it. Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth. Notice how you didn't respond to any statement I made. That's because you can't combat the truth. If I tell a lustful pedophile that they're sinning in the eyes of God, even if I hurt their feelings, it comes from a place of love and is beneficial in their journey to God. It's not loving to let people sin. It's not loving to let your brother or sister sin. And it's not loving to sin in general. CALL OUT WICKEDNESS! Read Matthew 18 if you actually have a heart for God. I'd be surprised if you even read this whole thing
You say he's a loving human being, and you believe his refutations blindly. There are more and very clear Scriptures on the biblical fact that (the practice of) homosexuality is not only a sin, but one which prohibits the inheritance of heaven. If this man were as loving as you say, he would provide the message of the gospel which says that because of the crucifixion of Jesus, redemption is possible! That's good news. The gifts of an existence full of praise, and eternal life are still possible through the act of repentance from sin. The first thing is to confess that Christ is Lord and to believe that God raised Him from the dead; this is how a person becomes saved (from hell/eternal damnation). Warning people so that they will not have eternal death, but instead life everlasting, is a true act of love. And it's love to let them know how it is accomplished. Telling people it's not a sin and to remain in sin is where the misguidance is.
@@nedsantos1415 My comment said what the Holy Bible does--which is the irrefutable word of God. I didn't write it. He's our designer and knows best for His own creation. I gave you the gospel--the good news of Christ and eternal salvation. What you do vehemently reject is the doctrine of Christ, and God Himself. I am but a faithful messenger. Here's what the word of God says about your unkind response and deafness to HIS word and ways: "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14 Jesus has commanded His followers through The Great Commission to go out and witness his gospel/the kingdom of God/the word of God. I've pleased God in being obedient to His commandment. So, as for your judgment, name calling and displeasure with me (with a tinge of instant hatred) the Bible says this: Jesus speaking: "If the world hates you (for spreading the gospel) keep in mind that it hated me first." Prayers and blessings that your eyes and ears become open to the gospel, divine love, and the commandments of Christ Jesus the Lord. Not to those whom would attempt to undermine the text of which there is plenty more on this topic. But at present you'd rather be led off a cliff than into the one objective truth of God Almighty who can save you into His marvellous light. Saved out of the dark, misguided concepts of the culture and self-focused worldliness. Even from everlasting to everlasting is God first and worthy to be obeyed and praised.
@@user-kj5rz7je4j The only one who's "butt hurt" (in your own words) is you. When are you going to cope with the FACT that not everyone needs, wants, or buys into your dogmatic trope?
Honestly if your kid has such an emotional reaction to validation from videos 📹, they need to learn some independence and self emotional control. That level of erratic emotions is not healthy for anyone, anywhere.
@Aisha Willis I weep for this generation, all extremist conservatives, condemn them so badly . It's disgusting. These kids don't have the bright expanding futures we had, homes are priced so far out of sight theyllnever own one. I consider landlords of this Era, evil incarnate, 😈 😢 😔 .the other things is these old jerseys wanna prove themselves better than anyone by working till they die, meanwhile there's a young couple with a baby or two who searches for a job , but the old insane greedy selfritious, and I'm explaining an accurate description, not passing judgment, refuses to just retire . Nothing do these young people have to hold their heads held high about. They know what's coming as do most free thinking people who are self aware know. Yes we will see Jesus coming in a cloud of glorious disdain, wielding a firery sword, not meekand passive like before. However there was that one day he woke up and said where's that whip, here hold my wine.
@MASTER OF All ARKS don't despise them for they are under demonic bondage and manipulation and control of evil spirits. Pray that God will set them free
I love your explanation of the first refrence. I think one of the difficulties is that many fundamentalist christians assume their conservative view of things like gender and oritentation will automatically be the same as the historicist view, but often it ends up with a situation like you described where the structure of it may be the same yet the details show a clear difference in how it was actually understood by the culture itself because that itself was an expression of hiw their cultural focuses differed from our
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
Discovering my best friend was gay was the first battering ram to Romans 1-literally nothing about Paul's detailed description rang true. The second battering ram was me coming to terms with my own homosexuality as someone who profoundly and devotedly loved God & the Bible, and wanted originally to be a pastor-I knew that literally nothing it said about my "origins" were true. If Paul was speaking about anything true, it wasn't about "homosexuality" as we know it today.
I know right? Nothing about me being a serial mass murderer rang true from the bible because it is what I enjoy doing and I love GOD & the bible.. Don't be so naive! GOD draws us, we repent, come to Christ in total submission not with suit cases of sins we want to keep. Go back to repentance, turn away from the old nature. I loved beer, loved getting drunk but I had to leave it behind, I did it but I craved it so bad until one day after resisting it in Christ it was gone. Y'all can say this is why you left GOD, the church & the bible but you never really were in any of it. Y'all just wanted to justify what you love in the flesh rather than Love the Lord so much you were willing to give it all up for him. Y'all will be the first to take the mark of the beast
@@LemarSipes How would you argue this if someone didn’t like being homosexual or transgender? I personality hate it, every day of my life I’m being slandered and it’ll never stop because I can’t pick and choose who I am. If I could stop, I would. I love God. I love the Bible. And I don’t think identities are more important than your relationship with God. It’s all about how being gay is a sin nowadays. We don’t talk about sexual immorality or murder, no way, if someone says they’re not a cisgender heterosexual that crosses the line for me and I have to make it my whole personality! See what I mean? Terrible. I don’t know how a social construct can be so sinful. Pronouns are just like names. Just what you want to be called. I dont have a gender. I’m also pansexual. If I love, I love. But I don’t want sex or to have a child. That’s just me though.
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
I appreciate your explanation, Dan. It cleared a lot up. For some reason, I find I'd rather sit in on a class of academic scholarship studying the Bible than sit in any sermon or Sunday school. I feel I'd learn a helluva lot more. There's a deep irony there.
As a gay man-I honestly do not feel like God uses labels-I grew up in a Baptist community and church. Lived with a pastor and his family for 4 years as a teenager. I hid how I was feeling in fear of becoming homeless. I remember how terribly gay men and women were treated by the congregation to the point a grandmother disowned her eldest granddaughter and put her out on the street and the church shunned her. Now as a gay man I struggle with my faith and sexuality. I would love to have a committed relationship with both God and a potential partner. I feel like Humans make a relationship with God hard and God I feel always said to me come as you are.
If the "Christians" I grew up around were more like Doctor Dan... well, tbh, I probably still wouldn't have stayed with the church, but there'd at least be a non-zero chance. Thanks for setting a moral example of what it means to be a follower of Christ, Doc. Love you.
KV Jackal Your carnal state shows you don't know nor love Jesus. Dan is a pawn of satan and the dark kingdom twisting scriptures to suit his LUST of gay SEX. If you LOVE CHRIST you will follow His commandments. You do not know Him True LOVE dwells in #TRUTH. You cannot manipulate God's word. All we can pray is you seek JESUS FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.
Hey Dan, just wondering if you can dig a bit more into your understanding of Romans 1 as an explanation of the Greco-Roman world at the time. I’m just trying to see why it’s explicitly about that time and place and not just humanity generally. Thanks.
What you're referring to as an educated answer is misguidance and a ticket to remain in sin. It gets you farther from God. FYI, there is Scripture which states that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was due to sexual immorality. And there are several more Scriptures (beside the ones mishandled here) which confirm same sex sexual activity to be sin punishable by eternal death. What this gentleman should be telling you out of love is to turn from your sin and fully follow Jesus for the glorious salvation of your eternal soul--to preach to you the gospel of Christ which is redemptive.
Unfortunately it’s not a very educated answer tho ,the Bible is very clear ,and the Bible is not only clear about homosexuality as a sin ,but also clear about sexual immorality in general or even sex outside of marriage. God’s nature was created in the first day with the first humans ,and everything God does has a purpose ,Adam and Eve had a purpose ,marriage has a purpose and family has a purpose ,God sends us to procreate a man and a man can’t do that ,why? Because it’s not if the nature of God ,we are no longer living with God because we decided to disobey Him and sin. God puts homosexuality in the same place as cheating on your wife or having sex outside of marriage ,it’s the same as a man having multiple women ,it’s not of the nature of God. A man who can control his own desires and his own flesh is strong enough to follow the right path ,a man who puts his desires before God is not worthy of Him and is never gonna be able to have a relationship with God. In order to fix that you need to have a relationship with God but in order to have a good relationship with God you need to fix that ,so they’re connected
You've waited for this answer all your life because it's what you want to hear. You've been misguided here. The bottom line is what GOD wants. And He's very clear (in the Bible) on this. We are not to "negotiate away" the text of the Holy Bible, as this man says. It's not "all negotiable." We are to obey God, coming to Him ONE way--through His Son Jesus Christ, repenting of our sin in order to reconcile with Father God. This RU-vidr read a Scripture, interpreting that Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was being inhospitable, which is a common and somewhat absurd claim amongst progressive Christians. He didn't read Jude 1:7 which says, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication and going after STRANGE FLESH, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Strange flesh here refers to same sex intimate relations. As far as saying that Paul had some sort of misrepresentation or interpretation of homosexuality unlike it exists today, we have to remember that the Bible is divinely inspired through the Holy Spirit, so that it the true word of God, so that whatever Paul said, as an instrument of God, is what God says. Also, all types of homosexuality is said to have been known to Paul; from Man-boy relations to committed same sex relationships. They are all represented during that ancient time-frame.
@@spiderguy01 who are you to say a gay man cannot have a relationship with God? God made all of us, so we must be different for a reason. We can all coexist without hurting and hating each other. At this time on Earth, there are millions of kids who need homes with loving parents, not every couple need conceive. We have to evolve with the times. When man wrote the bible, they couldn’t possibly imagine the complicated world like the one we live in today. What we say and do now matters so much. So how can we take what the bible has said and apply it to bettering TODAYS world?
@@sovereigngodlisaloves9525 the Bible is NOT clear, its written in parables. I grew up in a church that said listen and accept this is true, dont ask questions (bc they could never answer them) so in my eyes, they blindly followed what was taught to them. How do you know what they meant by “strange”? Our latest Bible was rewritten and revised by white men, so it couldve meant colored people for all we know. Bc of Christianity the world is controlled by the patriarchy and all it says is “obey”, obey to benefit someone else. We are all Gods children and Jesus was also a human. He showed us how divinity can be found within ourselves through love and service to others.
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
*“Negotiation”* Dr M, you should have a video on the different forms or styles of negotiation and how Negotiation differs form Interpretation. I think I understand it from context, but I have never had that word in the sense of “interpret” before.
A scholar for his father satan and the dark kingdom the father of lies who no truth lives in. Eternal Damnation in the lake of fire for Eternity awaits unless you seek JESUS FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS
Thank you so much for this. People need the facts but also they need to open their hearts and stop bashing so they can feel superior. The pope has even spoken out about this and I think he would commend you for your wonderful work.
Thank you for your video, I’ve been looking for thoughtful, critical analysis of these arguments here on RU-vid and it’s so hard to find amidst all the parroting of typical hateful rhetoric that refuses to actually reference or dissect the text.
I’ve never heard this in this light before. My best friend who is Christian and heterosexual told me about you and all of your amazing research and content you’ve done. I’m gay and Christian and continued fighting to believe even though I did/have struggled with having a relationship with God because of all the harmful words Christians say to us about being gay. I just couldn’t find it in my heart to believe God would feel this way about us. Thank you for all your research, knowledge, truth, and support! ❤
3:05 DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN AND HIS LIES!!!God does not allow homosexuality for it is an Abomination and a sin. 1st Corinthians 6:9 - 10, Do you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. DO NOT BE DECIEVED. Neither Fornicators, nor idoaters, nor adulters, NOR HORMOSEXUALS nor sodomites, nor theives nor covetous, nor drunkards. You cannot live in sin and be with God. People listen to the Word of God, For he is the Way the truth and the life.
god creates gays to care for orphans. all bible passages against homosexuality are falsified. "bring them out unto us, that we may know them." (kjv) was changed to "Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” (niv)
I would love to see a video about the things we have negotiated away, I think it would be helpful for christians to see how much their beliefs have morphed over the centuries.
I love God and there are tears in my eyes because there are really hateful messeges. I have a girlfriend and I love her so much that I see God smiling through this relationship and its calmness and love. But sometimes hearing that God doesn't love me or He is abandoning me because I'm following the loving words in the Bible really hurts me. Thank you, Dan for being the messenger that God intended you to be! God bless you.
So, it's the hateful messages in the bible that bother you? Truth hurts. Is it God you see thru your relationship? How do you know? Does it line up with His Word? You say you're following the loving words in the bible? Why are you not following the Lord & serving Him instead rather than your desires. Do you really believe your desires are right? Is Dan really a Messenger from God or Satan his own damned self? Anyone that makes you justify your sin is a child of Satan
@harmonray2401 there are not hateful messages in the Bible, but from your own mouth, so by the comment I see I'm challenged by the Satan himself. And by that I say I step with Lord in pray.
@@yanasky8790 I guess it is what it is. Nobody likes being confronted with sin. I'm not the one trying to justify it. I could come upon a person in a burning car & tell them it's on fire & they should get out but they don't want to & they'd call me a hater. It's human behavior that's all.
@@harmonray2401you think your spreading truth you are not Jesus loves everyone even sinners but loving someone regardless of gender is not a sin you have been corrupted by the devil so you think your going to heaven but you aren't your going to hell😸
@Dan McClellan Do you have a scholarly reference regarding Paul's misunderstanding of how the Greco-Roman world became the way it was in Romans 1? I am not entirely familiar with this argument.
The Greco-Roman world wasn't even the way he portrayed it in Romans chapter 1! By the way Paul described it you would think that the whole lot of them were given over to same-sex desire and engaged in same-sex sexual behavior and intercourse! And it gets worse from there. Ludicrous. Reality shows that there was quite a variance of tolerance of same-sex relations and the people who engaged in them fron virulent homophobia to acceptance, and it varied from place to place and even individual to individual.
@@edwardmiessner6502 Hogwash. The bible has no errors You don't need excuses for your LUST of sexual immorality including hetero that make it habitual. Go ahead with the strange flesh eating. Eternal Damnation in the lake of fire for Eternity awaits you
He is making things up according to his own thoughts, feelings, and beliefs. A much better resource for you. - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aYbRZVuBsqU.html&pp=iAQB
I'm an atheist. You are my favorite youtuber on this subject. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH for your work. The sharing of your education. All the things that NEED pointing out that I , and I would think MANY others, don't have the time or resources to research, though I wish I could. You sir, are THE MAN. :-)
Thanks Doctor Dan for this! I admire your extreme patience and empathy in explaining. 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Cuz if I were to respond to homophobic people i would have just resorted to ad hominem attacks or even physical violence 😂😂
Hey Dan . Came across your videos and they have been very helpful. Growing up fundamentalist, I am wondering what sources you would recommend to help truly understand what the Bible is saying ?
I came out as gay to my female best friend yesterday. (Male Christain) But haven't come out to my mum yet.... Thank you as I get alot of imposter syndrome and anxiety about myself and was doubting myself. Again- thank you
Yes you can, if you are not a "fundamentalist" or "conservative" Christian. However, based on general conservative and fundamentalist thought within Western Christianity, they would not be considered "Christians" by those people who uphold those standards.
Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. Back when I was a young Christian, from 13 on, I believed I was hated and abandoned by God. They told me he knew me perfectly, and would give me my proper reward. Then I learned I liked the same sex, and I was convinced I would burn in hell. I'm atheist now, but your videos are therapeutic to an amazing degree.
In Islam Allah does not hate you for being homosexual but to practice sex in it's a big sin and practice sex in public in front of people is a big sin that must be punished by the Shariaah (law of Islam) You can try fasting praying aski g from god(duah) to reduce your sexual desires towards same sex read Quran and things will be fine try to heal your traumas The Quran is the final message Mohamed peace be upon him is the last messenger peace be upon prophet Jessus and his mother
These arguments being drilled into me are why it took me 42 years to come out as trans and why I am no longer a Christian I can not untangle the trauma
Because you arent Trans. The only trauma is in your head. You need to seek Christ. He will heal your spirit, make you whole, and help you regain who you really are.
Sorry to hear that. God is about the spiritual. The flesh will pass away, and is temperary, yet so many Christians place so much emphasis on the physical, when they should prioritize the spiritual. God is concerned with what we are spiritually. The body is but a vessel for the soul.
@jackwhite1742 Jesus Christ if that were true it would have happened 30 years ago. Please in all your biblical tell me your thoughts of the didache and its relationship to the cannon? Next define and tell me how you address the synoptic problem? I'll even throw an easy one out there, what is the significance of the Caroline Divines? See I can answer all of these questions, I was in the process of being a priest. What I ended up with was alcoholism, and cptsd. I am trans and apparently 30 yrs of praying wasn't enough
@magnetitemath5988 I honestly do not think God worries all that much about individuals. If he did he would not have let my parents procreate he also would not have allowed them to have a trans daughter
@@roisinbrown5532 all of that is utter nonsense, and is why you wound up the way you did. You were never Christian, you were in a cult and did not even know it. Catholics are not Christians, they pray to idols. Im sure in seminary you learned all about the Popes "innocent" I, II, and III. You became am alcoholic because you were depressed. You were depressed because you were looking for Christ but did not find him. Which, of course you wouldnt in a catholic church. You didnt get PTSD from there, thats not how that works. PTSD can ONLY occur in victims of severe sudden, or prolonged violence. Which a highly doubt you experienced in seminary. So, you either got it in child hood, or after you came out as Trans.
I have a question. When Jesus said that a man can commit adultery in his heart by looking at another woman, can this also be applied to same sex orientation? BTW I love your Xmen shirt ❤
Thank you. I am a lesbian and have a gf of 4 years. About maybe 2 years in to the relationship I became and Christian and reading the Bible and I have periods of times where I doubt whether me being gay is a sin because of what it says in scriptures. But it makes sense that the times were so different back then. What was “gay” then can’t possibly be what gay people are today. I can’t possibly see how my love for my gf and her love for me is evil.
Where is the best place to find the data that supports the claims that the real target of Leviticus was preservation of social order and prevention of penetration? Thank you in advance.
This youtuber is a Blasphemer and a liar with the message he is trying to put forth in this video, and is leading every one astray who do not know their bible. If you are queer and say you are a christian then you are in Athema to God and Jesus. Remember God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve or Eve and Adel.
defedning sinn?????????????????????????????????????????????????? yeah buddy um no i would love to give a gay guy a hug and someone who curses a cup of coffe and some forcanting lier a gift so what!??!?! gay is a sin, so is lut cheating, liyinh, forcating, cussing, being mad for no reason its all bad. and do i defend sinners NO i do not enjoy seeing some guy go on a live stream and lead everyone to the pit i despiese it. but i should be merciful patient kind loving and freindly like GOD neacsue we are supposed to be HIS decisples not your own will.
Is it really weaponized though? The book says what it says. Sure its stretched to cover things it plainly doesn't apply to ( women having sex with women) but the quotation about a man lying with another man should says both should be out to death. Thats not weaponizing it. That's what it says. The book is just terrible in so many ways because it came from the tribal religion of bronze age Near Eastern barbarians. Thankfully those primitive writings are losing their power. That religion and its adherents can't die out fast enough.
You gotta think about it. If you're gay and a christian, you know the Bible says you shouldn't act that way. But there are many things that the Bible says you shouldn't that Christians will do anyway, knowing that they shouldn't do that. So the question "Can Gay people be Christian?" could also be "Can Liars be Christian?" or "Can a drunkard be Christian?" We're all guilty of something. We can't condemn others because we think what they do is worse than what I've done.
trouble is most people who call themselves christian don't know the bible. the correct translation of Lev18.22 is “And with a male you shall lie down the lyings of a woman". Genesis 49:4 depicts “lyings” as incest. L1822 condemns male on male incest.
That's a touchy subject. It's not plausible that those people back then were not homophobic. How much we should erradicate homophobia among Christians is a curious matter, but I'm glad I don't have to debate and establish anything withing Christian communities, only outside. Oof.😓
They weren't homophobic in a way most anyone in the West today would find familiar. As Dan pointed out, it much more directly.about hierarchical social roles. Modern homophobia is more of a "purity" thing. 2000 years is a long time.
Thank you so much, sir. As a young Christian still trying to find my faith, I thought for so long that i had done something wrong for me to have these feelings. So I gave up on Him and turned away from Him. I thought if i was doomed to hell then what was the point. Recently, I have been trying to reconnect with Jesus but this thought lingered in the back of my mind. i came across your video and it has given me hope. God bless you.
❤🎉 BEST explanation ever. I might add Jesus himself said the greatest commandment is love. He never said the greatest commandment is stoning fellow humans. In fact he kind of dumped water on stoning. Hate is not a Christian value. Hate is harmful and it literally rips apart society. The planet does not have time or room for hate.
Well thats plainly stretching it. At least as you're portraying it. Mathew 22:37-39 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Even if you read universality into what Jesus meant by "neighbors" (Jesus was a fundamentalist Jew first and foremost so neighbor would have been understood in that context), it still is secondary after a command to love, unquestioningly, a vain, wrathful, genocidal monster who has a very curious way of showing love throughout the Bible. But words are like farts in the wind. Where do you see all this love in the Bible? Was it when Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword and to turn brother against brother, father against son, etc? Was it in the flood narrative? How about all that slavery Jesus didn't seem the least bit concerned with? Mysoginy? If a woman is too scared to call out while being sexually assaulted in a city she should be put to death because she clearly wanted it, right? And the plain evil inherent in just the very concept of Hell. These are just the highlights. I don't mean to tear into you but what you said is terrible. It covers up the horrors of Christianity with a bumper sticker which isn't even true. Please be more honest.
I just stumbled across this video, never having known about your channel before. As a part of said LGBTQ+, I want to say; Thank You so much for that. I personally am an agnostic atheist and don't care what the bible does or doesn't say about why I am; I am still occasionally bombarded with people (of differing denominations) telling me about how unnatural I am. Using these exact passages. To have someone (am I wrong that you are a person of faith?) acknowledge that it is incorrect is very heartwarming. Thank you
Isaiah Ch 56 (Vrs 4): For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbath, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant: (Vrs 5) Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Mathew Ch 19 (Vrs 12): For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to hear it, let him receive it. Acts 8 (Vrs 27 to 39) Also very interesting reading. Another scripture tells of the Lord saving no-one from a destroyed city save but the eunuch. Who truly knows the ways of the Lord our God??
To my knowledge, Dan is a Mormon. In his videos though, he’s speaking as a PhD critical scholar of religion, the biblical text, & cognitive linguistics. In effect, everything he says is secular. However, he also did specifically go on a Mormon podcast & defend the LGBT community there. As a gay man myself who sometimes feels a longing to return to Catholicism for the rich tradition, rituals, mysticism, community, & loving devotion to the poor, it gives me hope that more religious people will realize that we’re not evil or abominable. We’re just normal people living our lives.
I myself is Bisexual, Ace and Genderfluid and I have been worshiping, praising and being faithful to God...doing and trying my best to not break the rules in the 10 commandments just to end up being told that if I'm part of the LGBTQ community I'm already going straight to hell even if I still do love God and his son Jesus Christ and that scares and hurts me alot 😢
Homosexuality is a sin and you cannot live in sin and serve God. There are many so called Christians in this world that twist the Word of God to make the people happy. I implore you, Jesus doesn't want for you to die in sin because of what, LOVE!! He loves us so much that he died for us so that we can repent and turn from our sinful ways. Being bisexual is not right in the sight of God. You cannot justify your sin. It is an Abomination. Jesus said I am the way the Truth and the Life. We share the Word of God because it is truth. 1st Corthintians 6:9-10 speaks about how homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. Turn from your sin and allow Jesus to save you.
god creates gays to care for orphans. mutilation and hrt is wrong. fake christians don't care to learn the truth about homosexuality in the bible because they don't perceive how they are affected by oppression against gays.
Dan!!!! Great job! You’re video here is fantastic! Thank you putting in the time and effort to expunge on these passages that folks use against lgbt+folks. We are all created in the Image of God and I pray that more lgbt+ folks will be quickened by The Holy Spirit to sort out these matters for themselves. Again, great job, and many blessings to you and you’re family 👏👏👏 Ps. Look up Kathy Baldocks - Unclobbering The Tangled Mess Part 1 and 2 lectures. You both speak of the same things and her book Walking the Bridgless Canyon is a great read. 💪🫶😊
No we not all created in the image of God. God isn't just about his appearance he's much more than that. You kind of people like use that as an excuse to justify your narrative. Love is love is it, and what about judgment. Those who are losted will be judged according to thier works.
That anyone wants to follow an ancient book is a choice. That they expect you to take it seriously and be condemned for its rules is an abhorrent human abomination.
For what it's worth, I was brought up in fundamentalism and it took decades to untangle myself from it. I certainly didn't feel there was a choice. It was, inexplicably, both necessary and "obvious."
@@davidarvingumazon5024 Intriguingly, a lot more captivated by Scripture-it feels so much more vibrant and alive than it did before. I'm more in the "agnostic" camp, but when I put my theology hat on, my holistic approach finds joy in the "wrestling" with the texts, and I think places me somewhere between the Anglican and Episcopalian frameworks. I'm not really sure.
Well, I sure wish that I would have known this when I was a Christian. Now, I'm a non-believer. If you could have only heard our Baptist preacher speak about homosexuality back in 1980's when I was in my teens, oh wow, I thought people that had different sexual orientations were worse than child murderers. He even said that America was being punished by AIDS because of what men were doing with each other in the bed room ... and, how all of them are also mating with animals too. I kidd you not. Only thing worse than a homosexual, was an atheist back then. But, now, I see how all of that rhetoric was hate-based and was not the least bit Christian.
The Common Belief Of To Never Judge When the Bible commands us to not judge, it pertains to their outward appearance. The Bible actually COMMANDS us to judge righteously. “Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”John 7:24 The Belief That “Homosexual” Isn’t Translated Correctly The word in Greek “αρσενοκοίτες” or Arsenokoitēs is a compound word. “arsen” means man in Greek and “koites” means bed in Greek. So, it literally translates to manbedders or men who bed other men. Why did God make me gay? Most people make the statement that God is a hypocrite for making them gay and saying homosexuality is wrong. There are two responses to that statement. Did God make us this way, or did we choose to live in sin? The second rebuttal is that the statement of “We can not choose sinful tendencies when we are born and some people are born gay” implies a presumption that all tendencies we are born with are good. There are many children have violent tendencies and I think most people can agree that violence is wrong. Scriptures about Homosexuality Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Timothy 1:10 Romans 1:26-27 1 Corinthians 6:9
No a person cannot be gay and Christian because you are going against God's word. It's like saying you're a Christian but you go to strip clubs. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. There are multiple bible verses proving that being gay is an abomination, so by cherry-picking the bible you are proving what Jesus said about the end times true and your name can be removed from the Book of Life Revelations 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which is described in this scroll.
@@Josieb4008 If you read my comment you’ll clearly see that the bible states that gay people wont enter God’s Kingdom. Also regardless of whether Paul or God himself said it the word is God according to the gospel of John 1:1 and for your sake we also have Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 where God himself told Moses to say the same thing.
I come here to tell you that all my life I have been surrounded with people who are from the LGBT community. They have been the most kind and most lovable people and I'm still around them. The way people are expressing their pride today is disgusting and the reason why theres such a negative impact for it today. Idk who these new people are that are screaming their lungs out for everytime they hear something they don't like. However, Jesus let me know that he loved everyone. No matter what their stances may be. He even sat and ate with sinners. He cared about people's problems wether it was them being a prostitute or being other sort of sin. Jesus is love and the Holy Spirit is even stronger. Both the Holy Spirit and Jesus love you so much. I'm sorry to those that never told you Jesus loves you for the way you are. You are all made under the love of the Lord and it was because of circumstances in your lives that you parded away from the faith. Remember, you are alway loved and will forever be loved by the King of Kings if you follow him. Even if your faith is as small as a mustard seed.
@@Tarsibu Yeah, I do believe that women and men should be together, but I've seen LGBT people following the Lord in secret. They find their way to him and decide for themselves what's good and change. That's the miracle he does.
Understand what "love" is first. GOD'S "love" is Agape not the definition of our one word love. When we have Agape we love HIM so much that we do not want to sin against HIM. Christ's Agape was to bare our sins on his own self. He never was without GOD because HE was GOD. He wanted the cup to pass as he thought about the great suffering of GOD'S wrath on our sin on him - being without GOD as HE had to turn from sin. If you had Agape you would not try to justify your sin practice. Many believe they are Christians & ignore GOD'S Living Word or trybto rewrite it to mean what they need it to mean. Jesus said many are called but few are chosen, he will also say to most " depart from me I never knew you", the lukewarm he will spew out of his mouth. Can we understand why Jesus said to Peter "get thee behind me satan: thou art an offense to me: for thou savourest NOT THE THINGS THAT BE OF GOD, but those that be of men". He went on to say "If any man will come after me, let him DENY himself and take up his cross and follow me." That cross statement is before Christ went to the cross. It was the most feared, worst & dreadful punishment of it's day. Yet take deny ourselves and take rhe death march everyday. Not all fun, games & self pleasures to be a Christian & few will take this challenge
There is no such thing as a gay Christian. Did you not read that adultery liar effeminate homosexuals and more will not be aloud in heaven. You can believe till your dieing day that your excepted, your no more excepted as like satan. Homosexuality is a sin repent and change your practices.
@@A.O.T.C And do you know that is him that should be the judge of others and not you? I decided who I'M going to be friends with. If you don't like them then move on. No one is forcing you to be between people who don't think like you or act like you. Being Christian is a joke if you think I'm going to be disrespectful to someone who hasn't done any wrong to me.
