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Can Axial Flux motor improve range and efficiency for EVs in the future 

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In this video I am looking at benefits of Axial Flux motors in comparison to a traditional Radial flux motors very commonly used in Tesla and most modern EVs
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@drive-channel1834
@drive-channel1834 Месяц назад
Awesome video! Radial Flux motor : to the drum brake Axial Flux Motor : to the disc brake That's a simple analogy and very helpful to understand the concept Thanks so much for sharing this 👍👍👍
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Месяц назад
Thanks for your comment I thought that it might be a good analogy to use
@markkunes9711
@markkunes9711 Год назад
As in a comment below, I also looked at a number of videos to get a better understanding but found this one the best I have seen so far. I liked the disc/drum brake analogy and the r cubed versus r squared formula.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Thank you I am glad you found it useful
@deanmcmanis9398
@deanmcmanis9398 2 года назад
Thanks for the video. I had watched some other videos on axial flux motors, and yours is very clear and easier to follow. I am glad that you covered the Koenigsegg Quark motor, because it is fascinating to me. Being small and relatively light makes sense, and high torque follows as well with the design, but it is interesting that the Quark motor makes immense power initially, but just for a short time, and then drops down to more realistic performance. I am not sure if this is related to heat buildup, or other factors. But realistically this is generally how normal EV drivers will need their power. With peak power on demand for a few seconds when accelerating from a stop, or say merging onto the freeway, but after that brief point of higher power requirements, having high efficiency is more important, say driving on the freeway. I wonder if Koenigsegg has plans to build a smaller, less powerful, less expensive motor for use in more affordable EVs?
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
If you watch magnax video the Axial motor has more torque while radial has more power. Koenigsegg combined both into one. This should give you benefits of economy and acceleration. I would love to see this motor on Aptera
@deanmcmanis9398
@deanmcmanis9398 2 года назад
@@LatutaEV I contacted Elaphe, who will be building the Aptera's in-wheel motors, and they said that they had looked at using an axial design, but found the best balance between power and efficiency being in their radial in-wheel design. They did get a relatively lightweight motor as a result, with 67HP(50kW) and a whopping 516 ftlb (701 nm) of torque, and this power X 2 or 3 wheel motors in the Aptera's lightweight, aerodynamic body gets solid performance, and exceptional efficiency.
@asadnasser4320
@asadnasser4320 2 года назад
Thanks for your effort. Nice educational video I hope you change your plan from Prius transmission to GS450h transmission .
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Thank you very much. Yes the next step either Tesla Small drive unit or GS450h. They are not cheap though 😉
@NarcoSarco
@NarcoSarco Год назад
Cool Video! Koenigsegg is really making some amazing stuff, how they used this motor in the gemera is just insane... Sad ill never be able to afford one
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Yes true but apparently that motor was designed by Yassa motors in uk
@RealFreak4Live
@RealFreak4Live 2 года назад
Thanks for the information! Just a minor correction: Tesla is using internal permanent magnet (IPM) synchronous reluctance motors (SynRM), not PM switched reluctance motors. Then, for the pros and cons, on the one hand, you're saying that AF motors would be much easier to manufacture. A moment later you're stating that it is considered that AF motors are more difficult to manufacture. I'm sure that the latter statement is correct because otherwise, AF motors would have been integrated in most of the EVs by now.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Thanks for the correction, I did check it before I was recording but didn't recite it correctly. I don't like myself when people give incorrect information, sorry
@BJL2142
@BJL2142 Год назад
Depends entirely on 3 things 1.motor efficiency (determines the watts per km/mile needed) 2. Mass of vehicle (less mass less energy needed to move the given mass) 3. Aerodynamic drag (reduction in drag reduces the amount of energy needed to move through the atmosphere) If a motor is 95% efficient and another motor of a different design is also 95% efficient then they will use the se amount of power assuming everything else is equivalent, in terms of motor mass axil flux are lighter.
@twistedyogert
@twistedyogert 4 месяца назад
I'd argue that the limited energy density of current batteries means that it would be a good idea to improve the efficiency of motors and control electronics. Once better batteries come around, the increased efficiency of the new motors and control circuitry would improve things even more.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 4 месяца назад
I would argue that one must address the limiting factor which is battery. There is even a channel on RU-vid with the same name. But batteries are a hard problem to tackle I suppose you may pick low hanging fruit if you can
@gardreropa
@gardreropa 2 года назад
Thank you sir for yet another great video! And now, for the real question: Could anyone hack the Prius inverter to control an axial motor like the EMRAX 228 (a dream of mine is to gei it into my conversion)? What is your take on that, sir? Any thoughts?
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
In theory it should be possible I know that some axial flux motors require faster switching speeds so IGBTs may be not fast enough but I suspect that it may be possible. You almost reading my mind with your question. 😉 And thank you for mentioning EMRAX as I have not heard about them before
@iceman45ification1
@iceman45ification1 Год назад
The power of a V8 in a 65lb. motor. That's mind blowing. 😳
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Yes amazing isn't it ...
@deepw3bs
@deepw3bs 2 года назад
Man I can’t wait for the Prius videos I’ve been on my seat to see what it can do . I’m betting on putting it on my e30 as my first try at ev
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Yes the work goes on, I am trying to get batteries and more videos are coming. I love E30 I wish they were not that expensive I could get one to do a conversion ☺️
@deepw3bs
@deepw3bs 2 года назад
@@LatutaEV you actually inspired me to do the conversion I was originally going with a corvette ls . E30 are getting expensive nowadays 🥲 but I lucky got mine from s friend that did not want it . And funny enough they are light . Perfect for this kinda swap .
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
@@deepw3bs I am glad that you decided to have a go. This could be a nice conversion ☺️
@deepw3bs
@deepw3bs 2 года назад
@@LatutaEV well you inspired me to make it possible I’ll definitely try to make a video about and recommend people to check out your guide
@drive-channel1834
@drive-channel1834 Месяц назад
Axial motor shape has some resemblance of a torq converter
@gkdresden
@gkdresden Год назад
BTW: the Lohner-Porsche, built between 1900 and 1905 was a serial hybrid electric car with 2 or 4 axial flux motors, which were integated in the front wheels or all 4 wheels respectively.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Yes it's amazing isn't it. I knew that he made hybrid but I didn't know it was axial motor
@gkdresden
@gkdresden Год назад
@@LatutaEV a very special motor and 3-phase commutator design was used which was developed by Nicola Tesla. The rotor had an electromagnetic excitation. Electromagnetic excitation is under consideration today in order to avoid permanent magnet material and to vary the back EMF to get better efficiencies for the whole motor speed range.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
@@gkdresden But Tesla seems sticking with permanent magnets but trying to move away from rare earth magnets
@KOl-xj4jt
@KOl-xj4jt 10 месяцев назад
when magnet rotates its ac, when coils rotate its dc, when both rotate its fc(free current)
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 10 месяцев назад
I recommend watching ac induction and DC induction motor videos
@daneedanoo4597
@daneedanoo4597 Год назад
Hi Sir thank you for your best Information . pleas can you tell me what is PRICE FOR THIS QUARK MOTOR 250KW THANKS
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
I don't know what the price is for the motor. I am not even sure if they are selling to anyone.
@jatigre1
@jatigre1 Год назад
So, you can quite easily install axial flux hub motors directly into the wheels, remove the engine and drive train, install short range batteries and use the large surface area an the bottom to install an induction charging coil to wirelessly charge while you drive and park. Problem solved. And charge the grid with solar panels.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Well you have very futuristic view on this but yes that is something that could be implemented. I am not a fan of in-wheel motors. Big unsprung weight is not a good idea
@robertduda4234
@robertduda4234 Месяц назад
At 4:26, I noticed that the rotors were not "true" to the stator. They wobbled. Is this an intentional component of the design? Or perhaps, a glitch in the graphics software?
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Месяц назад
I don't think this is intentional just a graphic not perfect
@keepingup2952
@keepingup2952 Год назад
Does it come with a battery that doesn't blow up?
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Hey you need to watch my video about BYD Blade battery😜
@randomdumbassguy
@randomdumbassguy 2 года назад
Insane people: seems perfect in a motorcycle
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Yes that would be cool. Or one motor for each wheel
@huypt7739
@huypt7739 Год назад
Showing wining of radial while talking about axial??? confusing
@omblauman
@omblauman Год назад
The title promises to demonstrate that the axial motor makes an EV more "efficient" but it fails to do so. The 30 to 90% thing has nothing to do with radial vs axial, radial ones already have >90% efficiency. The r2 vs r3 scaling of the torque argument is not comprehensible, is the torque of an axial easier to use? it eliminates a gear box for the same power? How does the comparison with the brakes help?
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
The 30 to 90 was a step from ice to AC induction further on I stipulated whether it may be possible to make another step to increase efficiency further. Many people found comparison with the drum brakes helpful to understand the narrative of flux motor
@omblauman
@omblauman Год назад
​@@LatutaEVThe energy efficiency increase between an ice and an electric motor is meaningless because it compares two systems which employ vastly different fuels. If you use gasoline with an electric motor, with whatever gadget in between, you get back to no better than 30 %. The meaningful comparison is between the fuels. I don't think you can hope to significantly increase any small electric motor efficiency from the present radial motor efficiency which is in the 90% range already, 100% is the limit. All your considerations about efficiency are of little use in comparing radial and axial motors for a simple reason: they are already very very similar and near to the top. The same is essentially true for the comparison with the two types of brake, they are both 100% efficient. You can’t decide which system to employ based on energy efficiency, hence you can’t look at a brake for a rationale to decide between radial and axial motors. If there is a reason to make one superior to the other, which on occasion must be the case, you should mention it explicitly. The generic r scalings presented are incompatible with simple dimensional considerations, unless you specify what you keep constant, for example an r dependent property in one case which is left free in the other.
@Persanity
@Persanity 2 года назад
Ha, guess so
@agaluszka
@agaluszka Год назад
Quark motor is a clever way for EV application..., but main game player in this field (Elon) has more powerful marketing power with (own) poorer technical solution.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Yes that's true but hopefully Mercedes having acquired Yassa motors can put their marketing power behind that product
@johncampbell8376
@johncampbell8376 Год назад
Jc30u0
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
???
@johnwald1714
@johnwald1714 Год назад
Take apart almost any VCR from the 1980's and youll find an axial flux motor inside. Its not new technology people!!!
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
I don't think that I stated that it is new. The question I was asking if it can improve efficiency of EVs. The first generator developed by Michael Faraday was axial flux type lol.
@omprakashsharma3359
@omprakashsharma3359 Год назад
Make this video in hindi please.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV Год назад
Is this a request?😅
@omprakashsharma3359
@omprakashsharma3359 Год назад
@@LatutaEV yes
@mohamedsalah6943
@mohamedsalah6943 Год назад
@@omprakashsharma3359 you can press on the CC putton on the top right of RU-vid screen and select the translated language as hindu language
@omprakashsharma3359
@omprakashsharma3359 Год назад
@@mohamedsalah6943 there is no option for hindi, only english.
@EVguru
@EVguru 2 года назад
Axial flux EV motors are very old news, decades old in fact. Only by cherry picking data, can you claim they're so much better. They can be very good motors indeed and the form factor a real advantage for some aplications, but the axial flux often has them beat. Many people are rushing to invest in the EV sector and much of recent hype is mostly just fishing for investment money. Looking at the published wh/mile figures a Model 3 is about 20% more efficient that a Model S and it's a smaller car with less drag.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Perhaps you right and if you noticed that the video title was with the question mark. But this is certainly a good question which will be answered in time. As far as I know Mercedes did acquire Yasa Motors. I guess they have seen promise in the axial flux motor technology.
@LatutaEV
@LatutaEV 2 года назад
Hi Paul I have just re-read your comment, did you meant to say radial flux motor often has them beat? I would love to know what are the major disadvantages of axial flux apart from those I have not mentioned?
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