Can Goku REALLY Beat Shibai Ōtsutsuki?? 

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I like that mention you said about how people probably don't like Naruto/Boruto getting to these power levels. Some people really just be hating like that.

Shibai’s design is sick and I hope we get to learn more about him even beyond abilities (just giving thoughts 😉)

I doubt Shibai would need to touch someone before he can reflect the killing intent. As he’s the original owner of this ability , I doubt it’ll have limitations like that. Since Daemon was made from Just a small part of his DNA, it’ll make sense his abilities wouldn’t be as good and potent as Shibai’s. And the Same goes for Eida

You didn’t account for Kaioken times 5-20, Giving Goku the ability to reach up to 20d AP

Bro you killed this video you broke it down so well 💯

This is very interesting 🧐 I’m a Goku fan. However, everything you said in regards to higher dimensional being 4D & 5D interacting with 3D level beings is completely true.

Goku fans in the comments losing their minds

I keep telling people regarding the whole power creep in these shounen series, it literally has super-power in its genre descriptions... Ive just come to accept that power creep is here to stay, it shows that our favorite characters are either god-like or becoming gods them selves...I dont have a problem with that😅

I really hate the shibai 5d argument but after this video I think imma have to agree with you on this

11:36 by that logic the Higher Dimensional statement as well as the Ominpotence is also "Hyperbolic"

Aye we early. Bro I really appreciate your vids they really help get thru the day

Would love a full video on dimensions scaling if you can make one

Another great vid I'ma try to comment on all ur vids but I noticed momo said something close to "gods using a divine technique" so is he referring to himself and other Otsutsukis or maybe there is more like Shibai

TROY! Nice chart.

I would very much like a video explaining dimensionality scaling

Fantastic video. But six said you can’t trust criminals so idk if this video holds up anymore 😔

Great vid

Could it be possible that shibai could also restrict gokus ability to transform and lock him into base? Or wish for him to be decapitated or something similar to that?

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Also ppl like momoshiki has some insane feats too in manga and tbh even if they were in the same dimension shibai can desire to be infinite speed and turn Goku attacks into flower petals hes that deadly

Anyways ppl just got use to goku and krillin soloing thats why they find it hard to accept they no longer solo it's crazy to me their is more than 1 otsutsuki btw shibai doesn't have a limit to how strong he gets he never stops getting stronger stated they never stop evolving in strength so given more time he is gonna just get more stronger and he basically have every hax since he can desire to have them

I hope that Shibai becomes a great villian like Pain Obito or Madara because Boruto doesn't have any great villians like that so far. Also great video.

Super informative my guy great vid gang 🔥

But Shibai can't be 4D because he's a Boruto character!! - Some Bleach fan

How well do you think Shiba would stack up to the dmc verse? Ive people ask me and ive done a bit of research myself on shiba. But not to the extent u have(obviously) but i genuinely want to know anyones opinion on this. I think the sons of sparda slam but that's just my thoughts from what I know. Great vid tho keep it up

Thoughts on broly vs gogeta, it's stated in the broly novel that they crashed in super dimensions

I dont know much about power scaling or anything, but would GT Goku be 4D? I dont know if he becomes "transcendent" when he went with shenron but if so thatd be cool

I honestly thought we wouldn't truly know the answer to this question till seeing Shibai in action more later down the line, but forgot to take into account that 4D beings are inherently stronger and faster than 3D beings 😭😭😭😭

even tho we dont know his full power, we know shibai is above life and death, he can move his arms he creates tornados, when he talks it creates thunderstorms, he has the renni sharingan(can see the future bc it was blue colored like urashik) and has the jogan with jigens dojutsu . shibai is too op that he dosent need a physical body anymore, otsutsukie is 4d and shibai is above so he is 5d since he ascended

love ur vid can u do momo vs luffy gear 5

Can you please make a video between Ishiki VS Daemon, or Post Time Skip Boruto VS Daemon

W video❤

The question is if the shibai is that powerful, how can eida, daemon and code use its powers, even if it's only a small part of it? How some people can use such a power, and the argument that they were modified with scientific ninja tools seems silly to me because if this is the case any citizen of the naruto universe would be able to do it

In the next video talk about why Boruto is your favourite newgen

I wanna see a how strong is daemon video

Aren't most of his abilities before his ascension? Wouldn't that mean any shinjutsu we are shown would likely be more potent in his ascended form?

Eida and daemon vs goku Or Naruto vs goku would be a cool video

He finally dropped it

Again a W video 🔥🙏

Eida using omnipotence is a Uni+ feat the ability extended beyond the universe to code in another dimension

good vid but i disagree with the dimensions>hax point

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can you do goku vs naruto? i‘ve seen many diff naruto scales but i think he pretty consistently scales to uni+, would love to see your take on it tho!

Using fake scans I just made on a whim, goku is boundless therefore he solos

First of all, you used the wrong translation, the translation was: "he sublimated into a higher dimensional existence" so the translation you were basing your premise off of is flat out wrong. Anywyas, you sre wrong about shibai having 4 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal, thats not what higher dimensionality is depicted off of, we know temporal dimensions are not physical, when talking about higher dimensions, its in terms of spatial dimensions, to say shibai is a temporal dimensions makes no sense at all, a temporal dimension is used to measure a physical change in the standard 3 dimenions, this is why time is not the 4th dimension. So shibai gaining a higher dimensional tier would only be 4d in terms of existence, not 5d. Zamasu for example would be a 4d being because he actually fused with the universe and the timeline which is 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, could be more but for the sake of argumwnt we cam just leave it at that. A 4th dimensional being such as shibai, when talking about spatial dimensions, he would be able move in an additiaonal peroendicualr direction that is not comprehensiable to normal 3 dimensional beings. So we know shibai did not fuse with the universe, or become apart of it because momoshiki verbatim states he is not "in this dimension anymore". So this translation would only imply hes on a higher plane of existence. So if you were to say thay shibai is 4d in terms of 3 spatial and 1 temporal, then goku would be able to just blitz and one shot him because he would be comprehensible to goku, just like zamasu was. Now, onto why hes not 4d in terms of AP. Existing in a higher dimension, or being a higher dimensional being would not make you 4d in AP. It just means you can move in an additional axis, the same way that simply EXISTING in a higher dimension doesn't mean you scale to that dimension. Are we humans 4d just because we reside in a 4d spacetime? No we are not, is king kai 4d in AP and existence just because he exist in the afterlife? No it doesnt, same for shibai, him being 4d in terms of existence doesnt mean hes that powerful in terms of power, striking strength, or AP, or even DC. So shibai would not be more powerful than goku just because he has higher D existence. As i already explained that shibai at the max can only be 4d. Now onto reasons why shibai is not 4d. First off, this dimension hes on could simply be a spiritual dimension, now i did watch your video, but a highrr spiritual dimension seems likely because shibai did not need a physical body to go to this dimension, and this higher dimensional existence does not mean hes higher dimensional, it could also mean he just simply exist on a higher plane of existence (spitually, not spatially). Also we have no info on this dimension, not only would you have to prove r>f transcendence, qualitative superiority, and how he obtained this with finite growth, we would have to know about this dimension. For all we know, shibai could still be a 3d non physical entity, but just residing on a higher spirtual plane of existence, which could very likely be the case because of its inspiration from buddhism, not saying that its exactly like it though. His evolution could also be him evolving into a spirtual entiry now, because hes no longer bound by physical age or a body, hence him "cheating death". But yeah if i were to wank him and say he was 4d, thats only uni+, even though he would be incomprehensible to goku everytime he uses that extra axis of movement, goku is literally septillions of times faster than shibai, maybe even infinite speed for goku. He could just completely perception blitz shibai and one shot him since goku is trillions of times into low multiversal, outpacing shibai in AP by multiple infinities (literally). And omnipotence or his reflecting ability isnt even a factor here because goku outscales by literal infinites, so it would just be non factor. Omnipotence is a heavy no limits fallacy ability, like you were doing, since apparently you think shibai could go super Saiyan😂. We dont know all the things he could do with it, so we shouldnt even use that as a factor. Not that it would matter since base goku completely soeed blitzes him. Also shibai being higher dimensional (in your terms) how do we even know he would be able to do anything to goku? Clearly since hes a non physical being, would he be able to even intersct with goku at all? And we know he doesnt exist across the first 3 planes, like momoshiki said so how exactly is he 4d again?😂. But thats just my insight on it, so shibai being higher D doesnt mean he can hurt goku. So yeah, in my opinion, i dont think shibai is higher dimensional or higher dimensional in AP. SO id say hes a 3d non physical planetsry fodder. But if you want to wank the shit out of him, he would be 4d (uni+) and a buu saga victim. Thats my stance on the topic. Also, using the mathematical kanji doesnt really mean much here without more context, talking about dimensions in general, it is literally a mathematical terms in and of itself, using higher dimensional could mean plenty of things such as existing on a higher plane of existence, you shouldnt use the kanji as an argument for something that can have many context in the world of powerscaling. How is a 4th dimensional being supposed to interact with a 3d dimensional being? That's like saying is humans could touch a 2 dimensional object, it doesn't work like that. So shibai would just be incapable of interacting with Goku, but would still be able to perceive him. (I still don't think shibai is 4d btw, just presenting more arguments).

Bro if some dbz fans could just watch this before sliding in my dms and starts talking malarkey

Do you think shibai will be the main villain of boruto or do you think he will be more like hagoromo : )

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Great video. And I agree that goku for sure cannot beat shibai. I'm doubtful he could be eida or daemon as well.

You could make the same argument that you did for Omnipotence for creation of all things. Universal Hagoromo?

This is crazy Shibai wank and the wildist DB downplay. Like how do you give everything to shibai yet selecg defs for DB. You also did mental gymnastics for Heaven in DB and the void.

It is what it is

So you are saying that no matter how haxed, strong or fast you are if you are even one dimension lower than your opponent there is nothing you can do. 3 dimensional characters having 5d or 6d attack potency will always lose to 4 dimensional character? I am just asking to understand.

Shibai also has Eida’s power, as stated in manga

Please my heart ❤️

How do we still argue the 5D point when time as a dimension doesn't count 😂😂 Unless you're trying to tell me we live in a 4D universe

I don't thing Shibai has limitations and requirements like touching someone to activate deamon's ability and we know this by Obito and Madara, Obito needed rinnegan rods to control tailed beat and suck them into Gedo mazo but Madara as he was the Origina owner of that Rinnegan and first to summon Gedo mazo he didn't need Rinnegan rods and just chained tailed beast without it.

Yes

Dude just straight up admits he ignores the infinite descriptor of the void and just decides its only large instead of going with whats plainly stated xD

Yea Zeno is 5 d I also remembered he was able to erase zamasu in spirit form not physical that’s a video I would like to see

whens the next vid dropping, I wanna know whos a fraud

Dang These Fans are Mad af💀 Their so Desperate, Even Tho its the Truth.

Question now ik this sounds a little ridiculous but lets says is boruto beats shibai wouldn't that mean boruto can beat goku?

Common Troy W. Hope yall like the editing!

Funnily enough for shibai to win all he needs is simply intangibility and existence erasure resistance and Goku literally can't win because he can't hit ghosts and his hakai will not work so you didn't have to go to the higher dimensional existence of shibai at all

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Time patroller from xv2 solo's both of them lets be honest.

bro forgot goku in the manga has hakai

Goku summons the Hispanic community and negs Shibai in order to win 💯💯💯💯

We gon ignored the fact that goku suppased his super sayian god powers in dbs ok i see how it is 😭

And do not write that Shibai is the god of Ōtsutsuki, they are different, Shibai has one eye Drahmagan like Ishshiki, and the other Byakugan, the God Ōtsutsuki has 3 unknown eyes and against the background of many more of the same eyes, probably Jogans (strongly similar to Jogans). If you have an Iq of more than 50, you can see the difference between the god told by the dying Ishshiki Kodo and the Shibai told about by Amado...

inb4 Shibai shows up and is affected by shurikens and shit lol

Bro here is talking about the real questions

In the manga Zeno destroying time is debatable since we are told that when a timeline gets created due to time travel a ring of time apears, the ring of time allows the user the ability to travel to the future, when Zeno destroy's the Future Trunks timeline we are shown a time ring getting destroyed at the same time. The time ring wich is specificat apears due to the maipulation of time getting destroyed implies time got destroyed.

All goku had to do is understand logic Shibai can spin the earth faster as many years time will pass then goku suddenly gets all his muscles like melt and realized he gets older in front of shibai then shibai will ask goku Shibai: unless you understand the concept of time in space and on earth you wouldn't been struggling yourself facing me in that age now🤣

I can't believe shibai actually beats goku but it is a W for us naruto fans

Question if shibai is a 4 being and let's say that he get a 100 times multipler does that mean his dimensionality is multipleed

finna start saying "can he beat Shibai?" instead of "can he beat goku?"

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you are my favorite most fair power scaler😊

Wait so Shibai ascending into an higher dimension(via a “hypothetical” statement) is 5D(should be 4D since he’s only ascending a spatial dimension?) But Goku also via a statement, destroying Low multiversal construct with 4D AP would lose? Dimensionality gives no speed scaling, it should open a speed blitz just fine right? I’m just actually confused cos it’s sounds lowkey bias considering Shibais base stats for reaction/dura shouldn’t even scale to Goku slightly

TIME TO FODDERIZE THE TOXIC DB VERSE! LET'S GO LORD SHIBAI!

Saiyan Saga Goku vs Kurama

Saying Goku is only 3 d in power is ridiculous

Goku is a 3d being that can destroy 5d or 6d construct. The match up is one sided. Goku wins low to mid difficulty. Incase you need proof current goku >>broly and gogeta who broke into super dimensions which are superior to higher dimensions.

Which version of goku are you referring to?

Yes and no diff. Unless we're talking about some specific weaker version of goku or something.

Okay, but can he beat Ultra Legendary Super Full Power Limit Breaker Saiyan God Super Saiyan Blue 5 Evil Evolution Kaioken 10,000x God Goku?

Idk what’s actually wrong with people nowadays. It’s like they don’t read AND understand they just read. Everything we’ve seen in Naruto thus far is a mere imitation of shinjustu which this man here has created. He can perform every move and has every skill set of all characters amped up to the max. He can do everything the otutsuki we’ve seen thus far can and much more. He also has kawkai’s dojustu and codes claw marks so you can’t say shibai is featless. If they put him back in the third dimension do you think the cast would last? Obviously not. Even if we bring him back to third dimension and we bring goku back there still isn’t much goku would be able to do. The powers of the entire Naruto/boruto verse amped up to the max and omnipotence as the cherry ontop? Na. Db fans just sad we Naruto fans can now compete with and BEAT goku as a character.

I don’t shibai is evil honestly I think he’s going to help get rid of the otsustuki

Funny how all these shibai feats are just him when he had a physical form so now that he ascended he easily beats goku

No. Forcing time into complete stop, completely reflecting all attacks, literally doesnt need a body to live.... he could attacks Goku with Goku not knowing where or how the attack comes from and even if Goki figures where Shibai is, Shibai can just reflect back every attack regardless of power.... He is just insane..... that being (who says he is Momoshiki) living in Boruto. Daimon is a clone of part of Shibai. Real Shibai can probably do it without even thinking... I wnat Zarama vs Shibai. We barely know anything about them,

You forgot about Goku 100D scaling tho😔

Its the fact Shibai can simply desire something and obtain it. If he is the original owner of all of these abilities then at this point, there is nothing anyone can do really. Imma get so much hate for this, but even Sailor Moon might take an L. Shibai: I desire this to happen Reality: Say less Shibai wins. I honestly think Masashi got fuckin sick of everyone ragging on Narutoverse cus basically every anime can solo them, that he said "Fuck that" and made an unstoppable monster. I love Dragonball, but i dont even think Goku at his strongest can beat Shibai. Cus Shibai can just basically wish for Goku to die and reality will make it happen. He could wish or desire for the dragonballs to cease to exist and then wtf the Z Fighters gunna do? If we ever get proof that Shibai really is that powerful, than i guarentee OP, SM, DB, Bleach and many other fans just WILL NOT accept that the naruto verse can no longer be soloed Edit: This is all just MY OPINION so dont be throwin shade my way 😂 Lets have a debate like grown ass adults cus i could be 100% wrong. Also note i detest dragonball for "planet busting" abilities simply cus they can just wish the earth or universe back with the dragonballs. Naruverse doesnt have ANYTHING like that, so why the fuck would they destroy a planet they know they cant wish back 😂 So, to state NO ONE in the Naruto or Boruto verse is planetary is arrogant. Considering there have been many statements to debunk that. Legit says in the data books Kurama can turn the world to ash with a single wave of his tail..not TAILS, but ONE tail. Otutsuki literally traverse through entire dimensions and devour planets and have been since the dawn of time. So cut yalls shit with "They aint planetary busting" 😂

Drop da debate Troy 😡

but seth said goku 4d!!!!!!!! (lemme in the server)

Since we dont know Shibai ability there is no way to be fair

Who are the other gods?