Can I MAKE IT - LA to Las Vegas On ONE Charge In The New Hyundai Ioniq 5? 

No kidding and with both a distance and a guess o meter miles displayed, when one number starts getting way lower than the other, you know you need to be better than average efficiency to get there, so you gotta either plan for better efficiency sooner or charging, it ain't rocket science.

Tfl should probably stick to truck videos, EV content always seems poorly planned. This video should have ended in the first 2 minutes when the car told him that he couldn't make it. One quick 10 minute stop and it would have been fine.

@@AndrewBergN Hopefully critical feedback helps them improve. I generally don't have an issue with their EV content, but this video seemed poorly planned and executed.

stupidity is tfls middle name....

Would you be watching if the video title was “I drove to Vegas charging as much as required to have an uneventful trip”?

@@spitfirem1 Great point. Probably driving at 55 or 60 mph half the way there wouldn't be a great RU-vid video to share with us...

@@spitfirem1 Probably, they usually complain about something anyway. If it were a legit range test then sure... expect to get stranded for the views. But the self inflicted stress was silly. The "tech guy" needed to open an app during this drive.

Plenty of owners hog DC fast chargers to 100%. Not smart owners, but plenty do it.

Yup, use case for 100% charge is when you know you will be doing long road trip tomorrow then you charge to 100% overnight.

So why have to keep stopping? I don't want to do that. Trying to pass off a golf cart as a car that costs a gold brick.

@@jimbob1096 16ish mins charging vs 40 is why

Well said. Obviously your divergent and haven't drank the koolaid. Where's the gestapo for the free thinker here.

because we have the time and know our cars. I'll give you a little in sight into a EV owners mind, ready we own EVs because we aren't always looking for instant gratification.

It amazes me the number of compromises and concessions people are willing to make (all with a higher price tag) just for a status symbol and the false premise that they are “saving the planet”. People are just not very smart.

I think people need to understand that if they don’t drive long distance a lot, stop getting stressed about it. They also need to understand that if they don’t save every second in an ICE car (peeing anyone?), don’t try to save every second in an EV. EVs are good for urban commuting, don’t get an EV if you drive long distance every day and like to hold you pee for 5-6 hours. Simple as that.

@@wgemini4422 do you live in a cold (below zero F) location? Do you have a personal garage or charge point with 240vac and you can leave plugged in until you need it? These are questions that xv mfgs and sales associates down play. I’ve read articles where you can loose 30-50% battery capacity in cold climates if you cannot keep plugged in. So where are you gonna go to charge up? That’s right!…super duper chargers along with every other xv owner with same situation. And we have 1% adoption on road. Just imagine when we hit 10-20%🤯

Yeah I mean we watch these to learn, both about the cars and the EV experience, not watch people who don't know what they're doing screw around in their free press cars. It gets old at this point. Kyle Conner is much better to watch in that regard and so much more informative about the cars and what they can (and can't) do.

Why have to plan a simple trip an ice/hybrid can make no problem.

Bjorn Nyland>out of spec>>>>>tfl

In an ice car your pretty much worry all the time.

@@jimbob1096 mi ice car is always cool comfy and has 400+ mile range and cost 1/2 the price to buy

Exactly.

the mar e is more reliable than any hyundai

Then Hyundai needs to advertise that, if you do damage to the battery by charging it consistently to 100%, then the ACTUAL range of the vehicle is 240 at 80%. When I fill up my car at a gas station, I always get a total of 300 to 350 on a single tank of gas and filling it up doesn't do damage to anything so the real range of the car is around 300+. EVs are very misleading and slightly dishonest with their range numbers and Tesla is no exception.

@@kingbran923 it's less about the wear and tear and more about the slow charging speed above 80%, taking 40 minutes to charge to 100% makes no senses time wise because 20 minutes of that was going from 80% for 40 minutes of charging he could have went from 10% to 80% twice. PS it's not a problem to once and awhile to charge to 100% it's when you do it regularly and when it's not needed and wasting time. Switching to a new technology the consumer has a duty to inform themselves.

@@kingbran923 these makers are scamming you claiming an inconvenient 300 miles. Wasting your life charging to get that 300 mile range or have to stop a bunch of times inconveniently to make it somewhere. They're trying to convince you these are the same as an ice car but they're not. They are not ready for primetime. Pulling the wool over your eyes but these EVphiles cant seem to see that. Time is money. I'm not interested wasting time charging. . People should file a police report on the time stolen from thier life charging at a public charger.

They know this, just like producing range anxiety videos

@@KalleSWBeck I see it as showing the truth that people want to gloss over

While I agree infrastructure expansion is absolutely necessary if adoption is to continue to rise and is happening as we speak and will make things easier as they continue to proliferate, the idea that the 20ish fast chargers along this route, which are all shown on the car's nav, are not enough is silly.

Each dispenser's number is at the top like a gas station. Each EA dispenser I've seen has two cables. It doesn't matter which cable you use. Some have CCS on one cable and CHAdeMo on the other. Most have dual CCS.

@@Draconis8888 thank you for that informative and civil reply. My question was an honest one and I stated it politely. Not trying to rip on Alex.

@@anthonyc1883 Understood. It just shows how unintuitive the charging system. Need more information and easy to use infrastructure.

But title says RANGE TEST. they are trying to go the longest on a single charge. But they fail huge by no telling the results. HOW many miles did you get? 5 miles left tells you nothing GoM changes every second depending on your driving habits.

@@JuanMii24 the title doesn’t say that. The thumbnail does. Also it’s says LA to Las Vegas. But they started in Corona that they said was Riverside. So they started in a random place and finished in a random place. Kind of a joke of a video.

Still waiting for the "pro EV crowd" to explain to me how we are going to transition to a 100% non-fossil fuel powered grid & be able to handle the demand without causing us to head to a 2006 Iraqi like power grid. Still waiting for the "pro-EV crowd" explain to me how better off we will be depending on China supplying batteries instead of us providing our own energy. ...What's the plan to harvest the raw materials without fossil fuels Where are the dead batteries going after their life cycle ends? This was not a well thought out plan. This is being planed by a small group of people who travel using enough fossil fuels to power a small city by themselves, living on ocean front property telling us if we dont start eating bugs and driving $60,000 EVs, Florida is going to disappear.

@@MoctezumasRevenge1 The average daily drive in the USA is about 30 miles which requires about the same amount of electrical power as your clothes dryer pulls in an hour... yeah, providing an extra hours worth of dryer time is a completely insolvable problem...🙄 North America has abundant reserves of lithium to meet our needs and lithium is recyclable. There are numerous YT videos that address these issues!

@@dmunro9076 Do you have an explination on how youre going to power EVs not using fossil fuels?

@@MoctezumasRevenge1 First off, even if we use fossil fuels to generate the power for EVs, the overall efficiency of that cycle is much higher than burning fossil fuels in automobiles because of the higher efficiency of EVs in converting electrical power to kinetic energy; ~90% for an EV vs ~20% for an ICE vehicle. Burning coal (coal to electricity is about 40% efficient in a modern generating plant) or LNG to produce electricity for an EV cuts overall emissions and energy use by about 1/2 compared to burning fossil fuels directly in an ICE vehicle. Coal to EV = 40% x 90% = 36% efficiency vs 20% for an ICE vehicle (check out Engineering Explained's YT channel). 2ndly, there are numerous alternatives to burning fossil fuels with the primary one, being an overall increase in the efficiency of home and businesses in their use of electrical power (better insulation, more efficient appliances, LED lighting, etc) and then the entire south of the USA is prime territory for PV and hot water solar, and wind generation (with that EV parked in your garage as a mobile power storage unit) and the rest of North America can easily increase green/renewable power generation as well (Nuclear- wind- solar with energy storage and release to smooth the variable generation cycle) . We are just on the cusp of producing low cost sodium-ion batteries for large scale power storage, for example, which would allow large scale home PV grid tied solar to provide reliable 24-7 home to grid power generation and LFP and LMFP battery tech dramatically increases Li-ion cycle life. Again, there are lots of YT videos on how the grid can transition away from fossil fuel use.

I see fandom on both sides. I drive 2 EVs both Tesla. The experience should be the same as a gas car don’t defend this ev crowd. Range is to low Big thing people forget is EV’s are not as necessarily as efficient as you’d think. You have a lot of parasitic losses. You don’t lose gas when parked not true with EVs. Gas equivalent is 33.7 kw so 19 or so a gallon. EV’s pros Connectivity NVH quite Air conditioning when parked dog mode etc. Much better motor controls. Tesla separate Best charging infrastructure (will open up to all later) Great FSD items. Great range. I think for most gas is still the way Possibly a Tesla if you want to try a ev but don’t think all EV’s will be like a Tesla.

$5 for 87 where he started and in his commute

@@coreyallen1090 Yea in California where they're artificially raising gas prices with an insane gas tax. That is why California gas prices are notorious for being the highest in the country and therefore not a real comparison.

@@kingbran923 which I also believe is the most popular driving area for EV drivers across the nation by a considerable amount, last I saw.

where do you live that the price of gas is 3.60?

​@@chrishansel9324 actually it's now $3.40, In CO

absolutely. Imagine needing to get your car towed regularly because chargers dont work on planned road trip. Insane

US sucky infrastructure

like hyunDIES

Network connectivity. Extreme heat and cold. Vandalism (re: Tesla Chargers). All issues plaguing uptake of EVs. It will get better though.

@@04dram04 saw a tesla guy ran out of battery had to get towed to charger. He was bragging about how he saved $100 filling up and then I pointed out he just paid $250 for the tow. Yea you saved buddy. Ice car simple can of gas he's on his way in minutes.

And why should we have to do that?

@@jimbob1096 you shouldn't, but you don't call it hypermiling either, that's not what the word means.

No thanks lmao. I refuse to slow down. This is why I refuse to own a full EV still. No charging infrastructure and the stuff that is there is app based and unreliable. Need 300+ miles range to be a contender.

10 years after introduction of the first "long" range electric vehicles, electric vehicles still impeding normal traffic because of range of their anxiety.

Imagine paying north of 60k for a vehicle that can't make a 244 mile trip on the highway in one go lmao.

@@AkioWasRight - if they are driving faster than the minimum speed limit (if there is one) they are not impeding traffic. If they are travelling in the fast lane at the speed limit, (limit meaning no faster) they are not impeding traffic. As long as they are not intentionally blocking you, they are not impeding you. That’s how the law is applied. I know, did it for 30 years before retiring. Too many people think the speed limit is a suggestion,,,,,, dumb *sses.

@@TheV8nissan "no thanks" ..your sentence should have ended there. Nobody is interested in your pointless comments

Why should we have do that?

@@jimbob1096 You wanted to find a way to extend your range? There a simple way! Slow down 10mph bam! Another 25 miles! You lost a whole 7 minutes to your destination! Instead of whining about the range and how anxious you got. Silly

@@jimbob1096 It can also save an extra charging stop on long drives. Half the fun of road tripping an EV is planning that road trip and doing the math. Well at least for me.

Not to mention it's bad for the batteries. Less than 10, over 90.

On TFL's pod cast they hinted to the fact that they make these videos as dramadic as they can to get views. If you are looking for educational video on how to drive an EV try Out of Spec or State of charge.

​@@2pi628 Not necess. I always start road trips at a 100 (home charging). For around town it's 80-20. Sometimes I will go below 10 on road trips but only if I am sure of where I am and where I am going.

Some states in the US charge by the minute and I believe that is because some states have that same law.

Yep, incredibly stupid law. Makes no sense, charging the same price for someone pulling 60kW as someone pulling 260kW. Needs to be changed. Right now, incredibly good deal for ioniq, taycan, hummer, etc vehicles that can pull 200kW+ though at current prices, subsidized by cheaper slower charging vehicles of course.

yup this vid is full of stupidity which just boosts their base anti ev crowd.

Since the vast majority of people in the US who drive have, in fact, never done this, I don't see the problem with 'never done this' videos. As far as the range thing goes, agree with that 100%. That is a universally bad idea, especially when the trip is uphill, through the desert, in 112 degree weather. That's crazy. Also I've made that drive before and the traffic gets pretty bad as you get near Vegas. Getting stuck in the middle of a busy freeway, in turtle mode would be potentially very dangerous and extremely annoying to other drivers. If you want to do range testing, do it in a more controlled and responsible way. Also as a 'never done this' person, doesn't the automatic slowing of the charging rate as the battery nears full charge protect it? Or is that insufficient?

@@lesalbro8880 The problem is that they are not helping anyone.

At 65 mph he would've made it just fine.

Yes, this is the reality of electric cars. They are cool, and I love to see them get better but the reality is they aren't there yet. The energy density of the batteries, the efficiency, the range, just not there yet. In my opinion, EVs should advertise their range numbers with a comfortable mentality, like if the company only recommends you charge to 80% daily to avoid damaging the battery, then they should advertise the total range at 80%. If you tell me the car gets 300 miles, I'm going to expect 300 miles every time I "Fill up" but since I can only charge to 80% for daily use, my REAL range is 240 and even less if you want to be comfortable and use the AC or radio. That just isn't enough and it's slightly dishonest. EVs have a LONG way to go.

where do you live? the gas price that you are giving is real low. It also was his first time road tripping an EV so of course he didn't drive the car the best way.

I am a 10-year plug in car owner. I agree with the premise of your calculations. But, they are too favorable to the cost of driving an EV. In the future, governments are going to have to replace the lost gas tax revenue from gasoline. Essentially, electric vehicles are a getting a free ride as regard to road taxes. This will be done either by taxing electricity, the car itself or with mileage fees. This will significantly raise the price of driving an electric vehicle.

No you don't you just need to plan.

Exactly! Like the previous lightning videos with not even having the ford pass app set up. Like really? Come on…

I was gonna mention this too (but I guess they did it for the title as not too many people outside CA would know where Riverside was)

Not if you plan ahead, just like you would if there were limited gas stations on your route.

That's not the best advice for an EV. The top half of the battery takes longer to charge. You're better off getting low (10%) and then charging to about 60-80% and then repeating that process on a roadtrip -- it makes the stops much shorter. You'd never want to charge above 80% on an EV roadtrip unless you absolutely had to.

@@iamnid This man was about to be out of charge and almost SOL...And you telling me that's not the best advice for a situation like this?

Most of the country doesn't have chargers

its not. he deliberately didnt stop at a recommended fast charger. causing anxiety for nothing. now hes stuck slow charging. none of this is real....

Eh, right but no one drives 3-4 hrs with a family without stopping for a sanity break . . . and a charging break. All it takes is 15 minutes and you don't have the range stress, ever.

I just finished a 3100km road trip in an Ioniq 5 across Newfoundland with my wife and a 4 and 7 year old. I've never experienced a more relaxing drive with the family. Kids aren't crying or hungry since we stopped every 2.5 to 3 hours for charging breaks allowing them time to stretch their legs and pee. Not once did we stress about range since we weren't driving the car to the ragged edge of range. I usually avoided doing that with my old gas car as well, since it's stressful to worry about running out of fuel. This was a stupid "test", and not representative of how anyone drives any car, so far as I'm aware. The Ioniq 5 is incredibly comfortable, easy to drive for extended periods, and simply an amazing daily driver or road tripper. Just crossed 10000KM, and I don't miss gas cars at all. More infrastructure for EV's and we'll be set. The technology is here.